Well I have been taught by a top UK teacher called Dave Hassell, who teaches to use the whole arm with the elbow from side to side when doing uptempo ride cymbal playing. I find if I'm just using my wrist and fingers, that fatigue sets in for me personally, and it's better to use the arm, wrist and fingers in conjuction with each other. You can see people like Tony Williams, Jack deJohnette and even Steve Smith doing it on his Drum Legacy DVD.
Watch Tony on here at around 1:15:
I know there's a slowed down version of Tony playing uptempo on youtube, but for the actual motion, this video is better.
But in answer to your question about slower tempos, I'd say that I use my wrist and fingers mainly, and then at around 140-150, my arm comes into play as well. I like to listen to people like Jimmy Cobb and Philly Joe Jones, just to listen to their ride cymbal. I have actually transcribed Jack DeJohnette playing on some Michael Brecker cd's, and just try to copy his cymbal lines. Highly recommended.
I also highly recommend Jim Blackley's book "Essence of Jazz Drumming" which has lots of practical material but in the intro, he goes over the whole way of articulating the cymbal line with strong and weak pulses, I have been taught that with the regular cymbal pattern the quarter notes are played about F-FF, while the skip notes are at PPP. It has helped my feel, sound and time no end.
Thank you all indefinitely for both the samples and the transcription!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hey everyone,
I just wanted to direct you to a little transcription of one of John's solos that Bernhard was so kind to post up.
Here is the link:
Many thanks to Bernhard and to Mr. Riley for helping to make it possible!
Brilliant.No, I never studied with Alan. I stumbled upon this while varying some of the many coordination approaches Joe Morello taught me to Stick Control. I recall doing it in a practice room at North Texas in 1972 or 73. As I was practicing it, my teacher there, John Gates, knocked on the door and asked me if I was practicing the 4-Way book - it sounded like that to him - but I had not seen Marvin's book at that point.
What?! Why didn't anyone tell me?!there is only one version of the DVD and it is in fact "all" region code 0.
I read somewhere that you studied with him...Lloyd, those phrases are an out-growth of playing page 5 of the Stick Control book between my feet in quarter-note triplets and filling in the other 1/8 note triplets on the snare drum.