Great conversation guys,Pollyana I meant that in a general sense that your goal is to be able to achieve that feel at will rather than have it come as a random happening. Kelly thanks for your question. I would say yes that I experience the groove (for lack of a better term) on a regular basis. Please understand that I have been playing drums for 44 years and have had the good fortune to play with some exceptional musicians who helped me get to that place where I can "get there" more often than not. Frankly a lot of it came from experience and a growing maturity in my playing. As I mentioned, when you get to the point where you are not so concerned about WHAT you are playing but HOW you are playing it affords you the opportunity to concentrate more on what others are doing and sharing the musical experience.
Kelly, the way you were thinking seemed to be pointing to a Galper style solution Agree - that "minimising emotion" clip is great too. I had my eyes opened by the instrument's natural timing too.Thanks for that.
Wow, some lightbulbs fired when watching the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRjEpjd9S4&feature=relmfu is another good one I watched afterward. His way of thinking is VERY interesting... the instrument having internal time is a fascinating one. Different cymbals/drums/tunings would have different decay times so maybe to adapt that to the drum set we'd have to be able to adjust to new ones quickly... or maybe there's also a different internal time at play. Deep stuff. I wonder what his views on using metronomes are... lol.
Thanks for that.I don't know the particulars but it just sound to me like you were deeply in the zone, deeper than you've been before.
Probably best not to try to replicate it but for each occasion to have its own zone, accepting that it's not always going to be peaches and cream.
I get the feeling you'd enjoy Hal Galper's masterclasses. This one's a killer:
An interesting way of summing things up. I can definitely relate to dragging sections/people in one by one now I think about it. Actually now that you mention it, the previous bass player used to have a strong connection to one of the tunes we've played recently and I began to feel it somewhat too, before he left. Every time we play that same tune with the new bass player I always find myself playing with the same connection to the piece that I would always feel when playing the old bass player. I know for sure that's affected the band before as I've heard comments made about that too. I guess I didn't make the same association as I did for the chart in the opening post for whatever reason. Perhaps it would be a good idea to start recording every time I play with a group, so I can relate my feeling while playing with how the music being produced feels/sounds to an audience.Recognizing that "you're there" is the first step. Yes, it's easy to try too hard but don't stop trying. That groove/pocket/swing that you're experiencing most often comes from an emotional connection between two players and expands from there. Sometimes it may be as simple as you and the bass player feeling a song very strongly and having the same emotional connection to that tune, you drag the piano player in and before you know the sax section or somebody else picks up on it. If you want to replicate that feeling I would encourage you to trust your own playing and not concentrate as much on your "parts" but focus on what that one other key player is doing. For rhythm section players it's most often the drummer and bass but maybe it's you and the guitar player, or you and the piano player. Listen to what that person is doing and think of how you two players are interacting. The hard part is to try not to force things but listen and respond to the subtle nuances of what is happening. This is where those elements like dynamics and phrasing are so important. I can almost guarantee that if the other player is competent they will instinctively respond to your efforts to play with them. In fact it's almost a childlike "play" that you will be experiencing. You and your "friend" are at play with each other and the rest of your friends will want to join because guess what...you're having fun.
At least that's the way I think of it.