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euphoric_anomaly

Senior Member
7/4 Time

Gavin,

Thank you for your suggestion about metronomes and grasping 7/4 time. I recently purchased a Yamaha DD65 electronic kit and found out I can set the metronome to any time signature. I'm still in the "basic" stages of grasping 7/4, only being able to play basic snare and bass patterns with a steady 1/4 or 1/8th note on the ride or hi-hat, but it's coming easier the more I play it. My biggest obstacle is mastering how to play it without sounding so robotic.

Thanks again for the advice

Eric
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi cantstandyourfunk

Thanks for those insights, as always, Mr Harrison. Your 4-part video interview series with Vic Firth also helped a lot


I think there's six parts to that interview.

Hi Fox622003

I do have a question! it's kind of silly, but I've always wanted to know how pro drummers handle rolls at the end of songs. I mean, I usually just fill in with cymbal sound and when/if I go to the drumset, I just try to get the same feel I had on the cymbals. What I was wondering is if this is correct, as opposed to maybe, doing it in time, which I've tried, but it's kind of hard to go to a 32nd/16th (depending on the tempo) feel and keep it tight when you are finishing a song, and it doesn't really sound very good. So, how do you handle these type of things?

are you talking about the last held chord of a song where the drummer usually fills in and the others wait for a cut off cue? I don't tend to play in the tempo of the song - I just play whatever comes to mind at the time.

Hi supermac

I asked if a solo I have worked out at around three and a half minutes was too long for a barroom gig (in the UK incidentally). People at these gigs do usually come to see a band, so they're not just sitting there pouring alcohol down their necks.

sounds pretty long to me. I don't really like drum solos to be honest - and try to avoid them if I can.

The solo is not massively technical: Two minutes of 4/4 rolling, jungle toms and marching snare figures, followed by a minute or so of 'letting rip' - Bonham triplets, quads, hi-hat chokes, double bass drum stuff. etc.

could you not just improvise something on the spot - rather than this pre planned thing?

Hi euphoric_anomaly

I'm still in the "basic" stages of grasping 7/4, only being able to play basic snare and bass patterns with a steady 1/4 or 1/8th note on the ride or hi-hat, but it's coming easier the more I play it. My biggest obstacle is mastering how to play it without sounding so robotic.

Don't worry - it gets easier the more comfortable you get with the time signature. I prefer to play over a riff - like a bass line for instance - then I just sing along to it and it feels much easier than counting.

gibeachhead

I heard the PT DVD won't see release until 2010; is this true?


I'm not sure about that - where did you hear it?

cheers
Gavin
 

gibeachhead

Senior Member
gibeachhead

I heard the PT DVD won't see release until 2010; is this true?


I'm not sure about that - where did you hear it?

cheers
Gavin
People read that Steven said it in this interview here (posted just yesterday):
http://www.metal4all.net/index2.htm

Unfortunately there is no English version and I myself cannot read Spanish very well, I mean if Steven said so......but I figured i'd ask. No worries I hope, I am simply curious.
 

Drizzle

Member
People read that Steven said it in this interview here (posted just yesterday):
http://www.metal4all.net/index2.htm

Unfortunately there is no English version and I myself cannot read Spanish very well, I mean if Steven said so......but I figured i'd ask. No worries I hope, I am simply curious.
Yes he does say so in this interview......

That the DVD doesnt have the highest priority and that they are busy finishing the new album and that the DVD probably wont come out this year......

I guess we have to wait untill next year....
 

Gus

Member
People read that Steven said it in this interview here (posted just yesterday):
http://www.metal4all.net/index2.htm

Unfortunately there is no English version and I myself cannot read Spanish very well, I mean if Steven said so......but I figured i'd ask. No worries I hope, I am simply curious.
Hi gibeachhead

If i may say, as spanish speaker, you´ve read correctly. That´s exactly what Steven said in this interview. :-(


Gustavo
 

K.Howden

Senior Member
Hi Gavin, just a quick question.

On wikipedia it lists your recording Equipment and in essence describes it as; Drum Mics > Desk > Mac

I was just wondering if you use any Outboards in your set-up, such as; EQ's, Compressors, Gates, Reverbs etc or do you do all your Mixing and Processing in Logic?

Hope you're well,

Kev
 

DrumEatDrum

Platinum Member
Hi Gavin,

I understand you records tracks for the new OSI album (with Jim Matheos and Kevin Moore).

Has there been any word on when the CD will be released?

Thank you.
 
hi gavin.
usually i see around you a lot of K crashes.
They sound amazing, but they're expensive, for persons like me, that have no endorsement.
I wanna ask you, what do you think about A custom cymbals?have you used them?are they compatible with pop music and studio records?
thanks a lot.=)
ah, there's a sad news...i broke my (and YOUR =P ) oriental trash 12" chinese.
i don't understant how, do you find this cymbal easy to break?
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi K.Howden

On wikipedia it lists your recording Equipment and in essence describes it as; Drum Mics > Desk > Mac. I was just wondering if you use any Outboards in your set-up, such as; EQ's, Compressors, Gates, Reverbs etc or do you do all your Mixing and Processing in Logic?

I don't use any outboard anymore. It's all inside Logic now - and it's so much easier.

Hi DrumEatDrum

I understand you records tracks for the new OSI album (with Jim Matheos and Kevin Moore). Has there been any word on when the CD will be released?


That is correct - I understand sometime in April - but I don't know for sure.

Hi ItalianRicky

I wanna ask you, what do you think about A custom cymbals?have you used them?are they compatible with pop music and studio records?

Yes they are very good indeed - and certainly compatible with pop records and studio recordings.

i broke my (and YOUR =P ) oriental trash 12" chinese. i don't understant how, do you find this cymbal easy to break?


I have broken them before - but not in the last couple of years since I have developed a new type of cymbal washer. I'll tell everyone more about it when the product is ready to be released.
What I can say is this - I played a 5 week tour with PT around the USA using these new cymbal washers and I didn't break one cymbal the whole tour. Then I came to Europe and played another 5 weeks (same band, same songs and exactly the same cymbals) but I forgot to bring the washers and left them on my US set. I broke 7 cymbals in the first 2 weeks!!!!
Now I have a set of these washers on my Euro set too - and I haven't broken a cymbal since then.

cheers
Gavin
 

NeuroAxis

Member
thanks a lot ;)

i broke 3 cymbals in 6 years...may this be normal?a crash, this mini china and a 6" splash....
but this mini china gave me impression to be very fragile...
the issue is like this:

http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=immagineuol.jpg

it may depend from the cymbal washer or may it be a problem of the cymbal itself?
You can drill little pinpoint holes on either side of the crack to stop it from growing for a little while. It's really just delaying the inevitable, but if you can't afford to replace it right away it's a good way to get a little more life out of it.
 

ahector

Senior Member

i broke my (and YOUR =P ) oriental trash 12" chinese. i don't understant how, do you find this cymbal easy to break?


I have broken them before - but not in the last couple of years since I have developed a new type of cymbal washer. I'll tell everyone more about it when the product is ready to be released.
What I can say is this - I played a 5 week tour with PT around the USA using these new cymbal washers and I didn't break one cymbal the whole tour. Then I came to Europe and played another 5 weeks (same band, same songs and exactly the same cymbals) but I forgot to bring the washers and left them on my US set. I broke 7 cymbals in the first 2 weeks!!!!
Now I have a set of these washers on my Euro set too - and I haven't broken a cymbal since then.
It sounds like you've given all the info that you can here, but I'm going to beg anyway. Any chance you can give us some sort of idea of what these are all about? I've been looking for new washers that relieve the stress on my cymbals for a LONG time. I have a serious issue with breaking crashes and china cymbals and it's expensive. I'm very very intrigued.

Also, when you break cymbals, where do you break them? I get cracks on the shoulder of the cymbal. I'm wondering if the problem you had with breaking that has been remedied by these new washers is similar to mine or maybe something different (like breaking it at the hole or something).

And by the way, Gavin, thanks for this thread. It's been so valuable to me and I'm sure a lot of other people.
 
You can drill little pinpoint holes on either side of the crack to stop it from growing for a little while. It's really just delaying the inevitable, but if you can't afford to replace it right away it's a good way to get a little more life out of it.
thanks, but the cymbal is under guarantee...maybe zildjian can give me another.
 

Delaygroover

Junior Member
Hi Gavin,

very nice Interview on Vic Firth.com!
I think you find the right words for young students, lots of thanks for this!!!

I´ve got a short question:

Which kind of Interface did you use on livegigs, e.g.: on the Musikmesse in Frankfurt?

Can you give me some buy-advice, i use a macbookpro and i need a interface for livegigs and playalong sessions. Important is a seperate headphone volume and a output volume! Midi in and out is also important.
Firwire or USB?

What do you think?

Best wishes from cold germany,

Delaygroover
 

SantiBanks

Senior Member
Hi Gavin,

very nice Interview on Vic Firth.com!
I think you find the right words for young students, lots of thanks for this!!!

I´ve got a short question:

Which kind of Interface did you use on livegigs, e.g.: on the Musikmesse in Frankfurt?

Can you give me some buy-advice, i use a macbookpro and i need a interface for livegigs and playalong sessions. Important is a seperate headphone volume and a output volume! Midi in and out is also important.
Firwire or USB?

What do you think?

Best wishes from cold germany,

Delaygroover
I would use a firewire one as USB gives some strain on your processor. Firewire will never do that so it's always steady in performance, even if your processor is busy with processing large heavy tasks.

Now down to the interfaces, a lot of interfaces can do what you want though not all have midi.

You can always buy a separate midi/usb cable. I use a Mackie Onyx Satellite and that works great. Other interfaces I can recommend are Presonus (they have the inspire and firebox), Echo (Audiofire 2 and 4), TC Electronic, M-audio (Firewire solo although I don't like the sound of M-audio, ditched my fw1814 in favor of a presonus firestudio 26 and the mackie), Edirol (they have some nice stuff, once had the UA25, very good though usb), Apogee (duet, though pricy but perfect!) and I believe Emu has some nice interfaces too (use a 0404 card in my windhose machine, good quality stuff)
 

Gavin Harrison

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Hi ItalianRicky

i broke 3 cymbals in 6 years...may this be normal?a crash, this mini china and a 6" splash....but this mini china gave me impression to be very fragile...the issue is like this:
it may depend from the cymbal washer or may it be a problem of the cymbal itself?


I used to break a whole load of cymbals. That china break is the typical place for it to fracture. The 12" Oriental is quite thin - which is why it sounds so nice. It's very hard to say why a cymbal breaks - a problem with the cymbal - bad washer setup - bad angle - clamped too tight - hit too hard or a combination of these issues.

Hi ahector

I'll tell you more about the new washer when it's ready to be released. Can it save your cymbals? - I think so because it's working for me and I haven't broken a cymbal since I've used these washers. Could it absolutely guarantee to save a cymbal 100%? - of course not - because of any of the issues above.

Also, when you break cymbals, where do you break them? I get cracks on the shoulder of the cymbal. I'm wondering if the problem you had with breaking that has been remedied by these new washers is similar to mine or maybe something different (like breaking it at the hole or something).

When I've broken cymbals in the past
Crash cymbals - usually on the edge
China cymbals - on the bow (as described by Italian Ricky)
Hi Hats - on the edge
Splash cymbals - usually at the hole.

How tight do you have your cymbals clamped?

Hi Delaygroover

Which kind of Interface did you use on livegigs, e.g.: on the Musikmesse in Frankfurt?
Can you give me some buy-advice, i use a macbookpro and i need a interface for livegigs and playalong sessions. Important is a seperate headphone volume


I use an M-Audio Firewire 410. It hasn't given me any problems at all. We use the same box with PT. It isn't unbelievably hi-fi and you're going to need to use a couple of DI boxes to send the stereo mix out to the PA. It's important that you choose a box that has more than 2 outputs - because obviously you want to send a stereo feed to the front of house and have a separate output (or two) to feed your headphones for the mix with the click in it.

This box can run off the firewire bus and that's important too - because if some clown trips over your power cables in the middle of the show (and it has happened more than once) the laptop will switch to battery mode and still power the M-Audio box without interruption. Another scenario is when you have your box powered by it's own power supply (like the MOTU 828) and if the power gets interrupted (for even a fraction of a second) the laptop will switch to battery power but the MOTU box can't. So it loses communication with the computer and no sound comes out - and then you have to restart the laptop (which can seem like forever if you're in the middle of a show).

Cheers
Gavin
 

NeuroAxis

Member
Hi ItalianRicky
I'll tell you more about the new washer when it's ready to be released. Can it save your cymbals? - I think so because it's working for me and I haven't broken a cymbal since I've used these washers. Could it absolutely guarantee to save a cymbal 100%? - of course not - because of any of the issues above.
As someone with lots of cracked cymbals who is about to pay through the nose to replace them all, my interest is peaked!

Just got a listen at the new 05 Ric material, very very good stuff. I'm very excited about the release.
 

Delaygroover

Junior Member
Well, thank you Gavin and Santi!!!
Some good advices to me!!

My favourite is the Onyx, best quality for this price!
I have to buy a seperate midi interface, but thats ok :)


@Gavin: Are you at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt this year?

Best wishes

delaygroover
 
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