American Idol.. And Its Affect On Modern Music.

nocTurnal

Senior Member
This is a bit of an offspring of the other thread about "american idol's drummer."

I'm curious as to what effect you think American Idol has had on modern music. What is the good, and what is the bad? Is it just a coincidence that the 2000s seem to be one of the worst decades in pop/rock music?
 

aydee

Platinum Member
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I bounce back and forth on exactly the same issues you raise, but i think if you step away and take a macro view, it is a celebration of music, so I suppose its a good thing. Especially in an era where music seems to be so devalued.

A mock celebration of cheap music is better than no celebration of no music, is what I guess I'm try to say...

...but then again, I'm not sure.

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Dr_Watso

Platinum Member
I don't really see any change in "music" due to the show you mention. Maybe I'm just missing it. Seemed like mostly bad singers to me.
 

kyle

Senior Member
Could be worse, they could be auto tuned. Although its really annoying that the minute America gets to vote it isn't about who can sing its about whos the hottest.
 

DrumEatDrum

Platinum Member
When the concept was announced, I though it would have impact on modern music.

But, overall, I'd say it hasn't effected it at all.

A few people have had successful careers from it, but not every winner has gone on to a memorable career.

I really don't see any tie in between the show and the music business. Computers, technology, and the internet have had a far bigger impact on changing the music scene.

American Idol isn't much different that the numerous song and dance variety shows of the 1970's, other than the singers change every season.

Is it just a coincidence that the 2000s seem to be one of the worst decades in pop/rock music?
"Seems to be" is a very relative term. There is a super long thread on this topic here:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74217

From which the basic conclusion is, pop music has always had it's share of cheesy bad stuff, and every generation tends to think the newest stuff isn't as good as the last stuff.

Or has Thaard said in a different thread:
If people complain about todays music, they have themselves to blame, since no one is forcing you to listen to the overproduced garbage that is modern pop-music(to some).
Turn off the radio/tv, sign into Spotify, youtube, myspace or even internet radio. You will find stations that play the music that you like.
 

ineedaclutch

Platinum Member
What is the name of the show? There is your first problem. I am not talking about religion either. It is another reality show. It is supposed to be a showcase for singers, but it just happens to enthrall a non-musical audience. Anything can be tossed to the masses and we will eat it up.
 

Pollyanna

Platinum Member
American Idol is, at heart, just another reality TV show. Big Brother winners are good at socialising, Survivor winners are good at surviving and Idol winners are good at singing. It's part of a broader scene - the celebration of the everyman (or woman), which feeds into the whole Everyone-Can-Be-A-Celebrity ethos of Web 2.0 ... Blogs, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter etc.

At it's heart is the punk ethos - you don't have to be special to get involved. Somehow that gets twisted to "who gives a damn about specialness or talent?". Why should we kowtow to "special" people where we're just as special! [sic]. Then the whole thing gets messed up with materialism and commercialism and gets cheap and tacky, catering for the LCD.

The questions that ideally should be asked are:

"Is being a celebrity the pinnacle of achievement?"
"Are there more fulfilling ambitions than being rich and famous?"
"What is attractive about shallow vacuousness?"

The whole cultural shift goes a LOT (sorry ALOT ;-) deeper than music, although music is obviously affected.

Maybe we'll eventually find that middle ground where deep talent is lauded but not worshipped and the idea of being an idol of any sort will be seen as quaint and naive? Or maybe we'll go so far up our own arses we'll never see light again? Stay tuned ...
 

keep it simple

Platinum Member
Although its really annoying that the minute America gets to vote it isn't about who can sing its about whos the hottest.
And that's different from the real world commercial music sector how exactly' lol? I agree with you, but we have to go much further back than AI to get to the roots of that. It all changed with the introduction of the pop video. Up until that point, the bias was towards the song & performance recording. Brings this song to mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ
 

braincramp

Gold Member
it has spawned some talent that would of went undiscovered..other then that.. Its an entertaining TV show..yeah I really enjoy watching it...one of the very few shows I watch on TV..
 
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sticks4drums

Guest
I did not reply to this last night because I wanted to see what others takes were going to be.
Let me start off by saying I love to hear people that can sing. Even in rock, or Metal. If the guy can sing I listen. American Idol has been a great avenue for kids in America that can actually sing, to get a chance to do so. Can you think of another more grueling process than to go though so many auditions and be judged by some very talented people. They don't get through unless they can sing. Not just holding long notes, or being gorgeous. They have to sing. This years group was probably the strongest bunch yet. They all had great voices and carried themselves so well. They were a pleasure to watch compared to a lot of the nut bars out there today that our kids worship.

As far as its affect on todays music. Not sure if it is changing it a whole bunch, but if you have seen the show, you would know that the music is always top notch. The musicianship is fantastic. The genres of music they cover are vast. Kids watching at home get to see some fantastic artists from the past and present that they would otherwise never see or hear their music. I wish I had a better memory to list the greats that have been on there, but each show takes a specific artists music and celebrates it. Just last week they got to see Tom Jones, Gladis NIght, Tonny Bennet. When are thousands of teens ever going to see these kinds of greats sing. The kids watching at home get exposed to Jazz, rock, country, pop, big band, reggae. They also get to see young people actually playing instruments, in real life. Imagine that. Real instruments. Most of the stuff my 12 year old listens to is all computer made crap. No real instruments were hurt during the making of most of his music. This kills me, because growing up it was always about being able to play some kind of instrument. My kids don't seem to see the importance in that. Kids don't want to create, they want to be fed.

The judges on the show also give the people at home a better feeling about the music industry by showcasing some cool people as judges, and mentors. This years group especially. Before this show I would of not had the time of day for Steve Tyler, hope I spelled that right. He has shown me that regardless of all the stupid things he has done in his life as a Rock Icon, he has shown what a great heart he has. The way he talks to the kids in the interview process was amazingly sensitive. The audition the guy comes in with his fiancee that is in a wheel chair. I can't remember exactly what was wrong with her or what happened, but she is almost paralyzed and can barely talk from a recent event in her life. At the end of the audition the judges go over to her, and Steve is the first one to bend down in her face, talk to her, and give her a nice kiss on the cheek. Worked for my tender side. I will never forget the moment. I am now in love with Jennifer Lopez, She has been beautiful, smart, witty, kind, compassionate. Wow, I better stop there. And Randy, who has produced some amazing people, and as a bass player has played with many, seems like a really down to earth, kind person as well. They all seem like pretty good people for our kids to watch every week. They could do a lot worse.

Sorry for the long post, but I really don't see all the negativity that many of you see. If you saw the two kids that went to the end this year, you will see two very well brought up, down to earth teens. You got to see their families, their interests, their hometowns. Just regular kids. Boy could these two sing. Talk about beautiful tones in both of there voices. They weren't the most beautiful people in the world, The girl was a bit overweight, and the guy kind of reminded me of the MAD magazine guy. Two nicer teens you would have a hard time finding. Plus they both sang country. Not my favorite style, but by the end I was enjoying what they were singing. Again millions of teens, watching two really neet kids, singing a genre of music that most of them will never listen to on there own. And they voted for them to win, regardless of the fact that they were not singing some pop autotuned stuff that they have on their iphones. What is bad about that picture. I am not sure. Works for me.
 
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shadowlorde

Senior Member
it's nothing more than kareoke night at your local dive bar played on tv with judges only i've heard some people much more talented who were smashed off their ( insert politically correct word for rectum here) than winners of that dumb show .. i think it degrades instrumentalists and makes it seem like singing is the only important part of music ..
 
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sticks4drums

Guest
it's nothing more than kareoke night at your local dive bar played on tv with judges only i've heard some people much more talented who were smashed off their ( insert politically correct word for rectum here) than winners of that dumb show .. i think it degrades instrumentalists and makes it seem like singing is the only important part of music ..
Did you even read my post. Just curious.
 

Pollyanna

Platinum Member
Nice contrary view, Sticks. It doesn't change my view about it being just another reality show. Yes, they're strong singers but, as I said, the people on Survivor are good at surviving too etc. I remember watching talent shows on TV in the 60s. It seemed like every second guy would sing To Dream the Impossible Dream.

That was trite as hell too - a celebration of musical conformity. But at least those old shows didn't have all the boring reality show side - they were just music and judges. One thing that turns me off is the overplaying ... throwing their chops around with overdone melisma all over the place so they can sound more impressive ... and at the expense of expressiveness, and when they emote it usually seems to tend towards ham acting.

Not a fan but if that's what it takes to get music on TV now, them's the breaks. Gee, I miss GTK - a fabulous music TV show that really was all about the music.

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not in this thread .. in the metal t-shirts thread yes ,, in this 1 i just read the 1st few and decided to rant...
lol - you're a legend :)
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
I think a better question might be, What affect has modern music had on American Idol? Just the idea of some of the "mentors" that have been picked to guide these folks, when maybe they would have been just as well off, using their own style, good or bad, to really show their talent.

Case in point...Worked for my tender side. I will never forget the moment. I am now in love with Jennifer Lopez, She has been beautiful, smart, witty, kind, compassionate....Is the show about the singers or the judges.
I would feel better if the judges were music critics from record companies or trade magazines rather than Hollywood stars. Puala Abdul....cameraman spent more time showing her tears than the singing going on on the stage.
 

shadowlorde

Senior Member
i will respect an american idol singer when a female sings this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6xaIPszwpo

or when a guy sings this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH42wL9dbxQ

until then .. i'll take mozart, grieg, beethoven, mussorgsky and wagner over anything on top 40 pop radio.
.. i strangely get the same feeling from select classical songs as I do from metal .. I can easily headbang to night on bald mountain and mars bringer of war


what about requiring everyone on american idol to sing everything from real country ( not cowboy hat wearing poptarts which are modern cuntry ( there's no "o" in modern country music) to classic rock to joan baez/ simon and garfunkel acoustic stuff to cookie monster death vocals to ... etc .. show that these people are more than a future auto tuned joke


... side note.. i have to become good friends with a famous rapper just so i can be the guy who gets paid a few thousand to go on stage with him and hole a mic and at specific parts of the songs sing such useful lyrics as UH!, OH YEA!, THAT'S RIGHT! and various other grunting sounds and affirmations
 
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sticks4drums

Guest
I'm sorry. Maybe it is just me. But these sites just make me feel upset and defensive. Probably because of my past. I don't know. I was hoping for better things here. If what I said in my post about American Idol, does not hold any water, than I definitely should not be here. I'm sure I will just get banned from here defending my self just like the last two sites. It is a dark world. If you want to talk to me, then I will be at my site. It is lonely there, but I don't need to up my meds. :) Sorry it didn't work out here.
 
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