Never underestimate the power of "that's the way it's always been done" to influence people. If typewriters had evolved to be used cross-handed, we'd still be typing crossed. There are better keyboard layouts than QWERTY but that's what we stick with because change is sometimes not worth the hassle.Not that this counters years of teaching, in case you assumed I was a novice, I've been playing for 32 years (I've recorded a cd this past year too). But that sentence doesn't mean I'm close minded to what you are saying. Again, I only play crossed. So I have no bias to hate crossed. It is real. It isn't that I don't understand the merits of open handed. I'm sure you are aware that there are more than a few people that speak to those merits...including people in this thread...other teachers...professional drummers (Bobby Jarzombek speaks about how he went from crossed to open and the reasons for it, which were well thought out...check him out if you aren't aware of him, he certainly knows what he's doing as he's sought out a lot for studio work).
Now, I'm sure I could find quite a few teachers and players to support that notion. Are they just making that stuff up to be different? Are they just misguided? Or could they be on to something?
The point about watering down...my term, not yours...the practice time by learning duplicated stuff is a good one. But, whenever I hear about someone that learned open handed later in their career, they all seem to say they wish they had done it sooner. I've never heard one that mastered it say that they wish they hadn't. Have you?
I'd think that someone that actually went from playing exclusively crossed to open handed would be the true expert on commenting on this. I'm sure you'd agree with that. And that's why I think it is still worth discussing, because again, I haven't heard anyone that mastered open handed drumming say that they wished they never put the time in or that it was just for show.
This is the first thread that I've seen, with yours and the other gentleman's comments, that have ever spoken against open handedness. That's why I'm a little taken aback by your stanch belief in this regard. I've read this thread and it would appear that you are in the minority here. And that includes other teachers.
Now, does this thread represent the whole world of drumming or teaching. Of course not...but for how strongly you feel on this, I'd expect more support for crossed than has occurred.
I have to get a remote hat or x hat to do some of the stuff I want to because I'm stuck playing crossed. I hate that. And nothing a teacher could do could help me here unless they taught me open handed. I think that is the strongest point yet. Could you show me how to use my left hand under my right and play my toms the way I can when playing the ride?
I'm going to assume that answer is no. And if it is no, then you *have* to see the merits of playing open handed. Or is your contention just to have 2 sets of hats? Or to just totally remove some stuff from the drummers repertoire?
ps. I guess I should edit some of this...because you've made it clear that you just have an adherence to staying with the dominant hand...or right hand in this instance. So I guess you must be a strong advocate of having two sets of hats or hats on the right side...or you can reread my last few questions again then, as it would seem you would be for removing some possibilities from the drummer.
Again, anyone else that is strongly against teaching open handedness?
Ps. I just want to say that it is hard to make these discussions appear as pleasant as they would if we were in person discussing this. What part in that I play, I'd like to apologize in advance. I also want to stress that I'm in this thread to learn, not to tell others what to do or think. So if I come across differently, please understand that is not my intention. My intention is just for honest discussion and learning for me. So thanks again Todd and others.
Despite the inherent awkwardness of playing crossed, people do it because they want to play others' kits, that's what teachers teach, they want to sound like others and they want to feel the style they have is fine for them. Which it is.
This thread was about teaching a total beginner. I think that's the time to introduce open playing. If someone is already set in their ways playing crossed, then there's no need to try open, unless they are trying to build ambidexterity. To me and many others who were fortunate enough to have a teacher who influenced them to play open, I am grateful to have adopted the more natural approach to human motion. Life is open handed.