Double bass technique and practise

invincibledrummer

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hey folks.... i have just got a double bass pedal... two days over m not really able to actually start to play, just wondering how and wat to start.. :(
any suggestions about how to approach playing this and sheet music or instructional videos are deeply appreciated, plz help!!!! :)
 
Thomas Lang has some fancy foot exercises if you really want to jam out.

Get a metronome and start doing 16ths until your feet hurt too much to walk.
 
Right, Thomas Lang - I'm watching his DVD "Creative Coordination (and Advanced Foot Exercises" right now... awesome stuff! I can fire away 16th on the double pedal, but playing crazy broken patterns is a different story! His DVD covers a huge array of what you can do with your feet. Numerous patterns, multi pedal orchestration... This DVD (3-DVD set) has a running time of 7 hours (incl. bonus material)!

Also bought Virgil Donati's "Double Bass Drum Freedom" (book & CD) - cool but really challenging stuff. E.g. mixing up singles with doubles on the bass drum, and playing through countless syncopated patterns and/or odd signatures. Just wanted to mention - another tutorial which should drive you crazy.

As a superb starting point I'd recommend Derek Roddy's endurance exercises (start slow enough and it won't feel like endurance, speed it up - oh yeah):
Derek Roddy's Drum Lessons & Solos Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFEP_stPGI
Continue watching the other parts to get the idea. Those exercises are not only great for your feet but also for your hands, to tie hands & feet and get them in sync. He's demonstrating those exercises @ 180 bpm. If this is too fast - slow down as needed, the concept remains the same. Derek is doing singles mostly, sometimes doubles, too (not in the above video). Highly effective to balance out your limbs and get in sync. I got into drumming 16 months ago and I'm quite happy to have taken up exercises like that almost from the start.

For more exercises, weaker foot workout, blast stuff, multi pedal orchestration check out Derek's DVD "Blast Beats Evolved" (I've bought it recently) - superb stuff also.

George Kollias also has a great DVD out there, "Intense Metal Drumming". Plenty of ideas for footwork, handwork, patterns... He does swiveling but no doubles.

One of the most radical DVDs on foot technique I know is Tim Waterson's DVD "Techniques, Motions and Applications for Bass Drum Playing".
http://www.twothreeonetwomusic.com/
I know no other tutorial covering so many (basically ALL) foot techniques. You'll find EVERYTHING and more you'll ever need - heel-up, heel-down, singles, doubles, singles/doubles w/ swivel or glide, groups of 3 notes, interlaced doubles... just crazy stuff. Tim is up to around 360 bpm!!

Don't forget that throne height, posture, pedal distance etc is quite important for double bass. Just days ago I bought Matt Ritter's DVD "Unburying the Beater" which is a great round-up to the techniques I've been exploring. This DVD explains how to avoid annoying extra notes and has helped me within days! Highly recommended. It's not "flashy" but addresses precisely the technical aspects of executing the motions correctly. It also includes proper throne height and drum setup for most comfortable playing and thus, best results. This DVD is great to enhance your awareness, optimize the motions and clean up your bass drum playing.

The total of the above mentioned DVDs will help and provide stuff to work on for a lifetime. If you're serious...

You can find lots of tutorials or DVD snippets on YouTube though.

If you have "Stick Control" you could apply everything in there onto your feet - basically (with practice!!) they can do what the hands can - in terms of speed, timing, patterns. Many drummers just don't dare to go this route... "Stick Control" contains endless patterns you could use for your feet. Some of them might be easy to learn, but most will be a total workout. Mixing up singles and doubles takes a lot of practice. You'll need patience! (I need it also.)
 
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Just wanted to mention that the drummers I've mentioned have a featured section and/or threads on DRUMMERWORLD. Derek and George have infos and videos in the DRUMMERWORLD "Top 500 Drummers" section. You can check out the videos (including snippets from their DVDs) to get an idea of what those DVDs look like.

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Derek_Roddy.html

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/George_Kollias.html

One of the videos shows George going from 200 to 280 bpm. I haven't seen any other video climbing up to this insane speed. Hopefully you'll take it as inspiration/motivation. Here it is:
George Kollias: from 200 BPM to 280 BPM
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/georgekollias200280.html

Derek Roddy here!
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1925&page=13

George Kollias here...
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4262&page=3

Tim Waterson here!
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24644&page=2

Virgil Donati
(Virgil doesn't directly participate in DRUMMERWORLD but is included in the "Top 500 Drummers" and has his own thread.)
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Virgil_Donati.html
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1907

Thomas Lang
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Thomas_Lang.html
AFAIK Thomas doesn't directly participate in DW.

What a coincidence that 3 of the above mentioned drummers have been included in the Dream Theater auditions designed to find a drummer replacing Mike Portnoy ;-)

Matt Ritter is also a forum member here.
 
If you have "Stick Control" you could apply everything in there onto your feet - basically (with practice!!) they can do what the hands can - in terms of speed, timing, patterns. Many drummers just don't dare to go this route... "Stick Control" contains endless patterns you could use for your feet. Some of them might be easy to learn, but most will be a total workout. Mixing up singles and doubles takes a lot of practice. You'll need patience! (I need it also.)

GREAT advice!! This is also good for single pedal playes, just alternate between the hats and the pedal
 
Don't forget that throne height, posture, pedal distance etc is quite important for double bass. Just days ago I bought Matt Ritter's DVD "Unburying the Beater" which is a great round-up to the techniques I've been exploring. This DVD explains how to avoid annoying extra notes and has helped me within days! Highly recommended. It's not "flashy" but addresses precisely the technical aspects of executing the motions correctly. It also includes proper throne height and drum setup for most comfortable playing and thus, best results. This DVD is great to enhance your awareness, optimize the motions and clean up your bass drum playing.
Hi!

I'm thinking of buying that DVD because I don't find a posture that works for me, but I have a question about it.
It's focused in single pedal players only or can I use it to find a good posture with a double pedal (or double bass)?
 
Hi!

I'm thinking of buying that DVD because I don't find a posture that works for me, but I have a question about it.
It's focused in single pedal players only or can I use it to find a good posture with a double pedal (or double bass)?
Hi. Yes it's focused on the single pedal - which is maybe the only minor issue with this DVD. I'd wish Matt would have covered the double bass setup also. But don't worry, the principles are 100% applicable to the double pedal. There's a whole section which is dedicated to posture, this aspect is covered in full. Matt explains how to get the setup being as comfy as possible. That DVD will provide the info you need.

I just copied Matt's method from my right foot and did the same with my left foot - it works. But you have to do just a little "homework" to take the single pedal approach and bring it to the double pedal. As I said, it would have been an even better DVD with double pedal covered also, but it's not a problem.
 
hey folks.... i have just got a double bass pedal... two days over m not really able to actually start to play, just wondering how and wat to start.. :(
any suggestions about how to approach playing this and sheet music or instructional videos are deeply appreciated, plz help!!!! :)

How's your single pedal technique? If you've worked on that, then you'll know what to do with your left foot. If not, maybe get that happening first. Good fundamental mechanics are good. :)

But, if you don't already have a copy of Stick Control for your hands, get one. Do it with your feet.

It's the same as with your hands. Singles, Doubles, etc. Gotta crawl before you can fly. All of your short single-stroke rolls (3s, 5s, 7s, 9s, etc.) will be useful.
 
Hi. Yes it's focused on the single pedal - which is maybe the only minor issue with this DVD. I'd wish Matt would have covered the double bass setup also. But don't worry, the principles are 100% applicable to the double pedal. There's a whole section which is dedicated to posture, this aspect is covered in full. Matt explains how to get the setup being as comfy as possible. That DVD will provide the info you need.

I just copied Matt's method from my right foot and did the same with my left foot - it works. But you have to do just a little "homework" to take the single pedal approach and bring it to the double pedal. As I said, it would have been an even better DVD with double pedal covered also, but it's not a problem.

A good stroke is a good stroke.
 
Thomas Lang has some fancy foot exercises if you really want to jam out.

Get a metronome and start doing 16ths until your feet hurt too much to walk.

I'm not a fan of this process, I know many will agree with me as well.


Arky has got you covered for material that will last you ten years.


What works best for me: Para-diddles, R L R R L R L L when I am just practicing, I play those instead of just straight 16's..it's help my control greatly!

To add, another exercise that works well is playing: L L L L L L L L R R R R R R R R
 
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