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[Jaford-Jr]

I use HD4 sticks should i hit harder

[Netz Ausg]

Easily the most vague post EVER.

I mean, a little bit more info may be useful. What do you play, where do you play it, what drum config, what weight cymbals... etc etc...?

[MrPockets]

Jaford, you are my current favorite troll on this site.

And that is only because the post about a guy getting farted on during a gig got deleted.

[Zickos]

IMHO, there is never a reason to have to hit very hard. If the others are amplified so much that you are covered up, then amplify your kit!

Can you tell that I don't like loud music?

[Jaford-Jr]

Man screw youll i come here to ask a simple quiestion and youll do what shoot down the noob.... You all act like everyone is a troll if they don't know certain things about drumming... all i asked is do i hit harder with HD4 sticks i meant do you have to hit with anymore force than you with a B4 Stick when using HD4 sitcks

[Jaford-Jr]

IMHO, there is never a reason to have to hit very hard. If the others are amplified so much that you are covered up, then amplify your kit!

Can you tell that I don't like loud music?

How.... we dont have extra mics to cover the drums

[GRUNTERSDAD]

Check out the Gear section under Sticks and Heads

It looks like this.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

[drumkat]

Man screw you

Mate, be careful about saying things like that to other members on DF...no one will bother with you if you insult other members........

Not a great approach to the drumming community.....

[Jaford-Jr]

Mate, be careful about saying things like that to other members on DF...no one will bother with you if you insult other members........

Not a great approach to the drumming community.....

So calling someone a troll when there not isn't a insult???

[harryconway]

I use HD4 sticks should i hit harder
You should learn to hit soft, and hard. That's using dynamics. A guy who just pounds the drums, is a caveman type drummer. Fun, for him, maybe, but not a very mature approach to playing one's instrument.
How.... we dont have extra mics to cover the drums If you're involved in a volume war with your band .... get them to turn down. Everyone should be able to hear everyone else. They have volume knobs, you don't. Let them adjust their volume to your playing/drum kit. Young, newbie musicians tend to use "LOUD" as a mask for the fact that they can't play worth squat. Volume rather than talent. Sounds like that's the case, going on here. Call them on their BS. Unless you have guitar players using vintage Marshall Plexi's, they don't have to go to 10 to get their amps to break up/distort. And if hey do have amps like that, then they should get Variac's. Voltage regulators, lets them run their amps full up, but then you lower the voltage to control volume. Guy by the name of Eddie Van Halen got a pretty good sound (and a successful sound, too) using a Variac. In fact, I think his best sound ever, was when he was using a Fender Bassman head thru a Marshall cabinet. Back to drums, volume, and sticks .... you're young, so I'll assume you have a beginner/intermediate level kit. A lot of "starter" kits just aren't made to produce "ear splitting loud". Even pro level kits. The type of wood, shell construction, heads, lots of things sum up "how loud" you are/can be. The bigger the stick, usually, the harder/louder you can drum. Me, when I'm playing loud, I use Zildjian "rock" sticks. Nylon tip. Quite a few companies offer a "rock" stick, I like the Zildjian the best. Mostly, now, I play Vater Fusion, or Pro Mark 747. And I play Jstix 7A's. I have six amps, three Roland KC-100's and three Roland PM-1's, in my studio. All 60 watt amps. That way, I have controll of "how loud" people play, here. I have a Line 6 pod .... for guitar. And I have a Line 6 bass pod .... to run bass thru. So no one needs to bring their own amps. And if they can't get "t'heir" sound (or a sound) without using a Marshall stack .... then they simply ain't playing in my studio. Man screw youll i come here to ask a simple quiestion and youll do what shoot down the noob.... Wrong attitude. If someone "doesn't give you an answer you like", ignore them. Simple. You did ask a "very vague" question .... but it's kinda bad form when someone replies "just to taunt you". Don't take the bait. Ain't worth it. This is the first time I've seen you on my radar, so I don't know your past history of posts. And, I really don't care. I did check your profile, and saw that you were young. And thanx for giving up that info. So many people hide under the witness protection program, and I don't know if I'm dealing with a teenager, a grow adult .... or something in between (a teenage mind trapped in an adult body). Me, I'm a 55 year old man with an 18 year old's mind, and hopefully, "at least" a 30 something year old social/maturity level.

[Arky]

In case the OP made it through actually reading the terms for membership of this forum he should have noticed things like...

...creating clear thread titles to avoid people from guessing.

...stick to a "dinner jacket party" etiquette.

Plus he already got some attention for his past 'contributions'. If I had a say I'd warn him and next time he'd misbehave... oh yeah, pull the trigger!!

[Jaford-Jr]

Thx and the keyboardist keep telling me to play louder when i've tried but i keep reverting back to the same volume/force except when i'm using the B4 & A4 sticks & arty i didnt read it btw who da adminstrator

[drumkat]

oh yeah, pull the trigger!!


Arky....you ol' gunslinger!

[audiotech]

I use HD4 sticks should i hit harder

I don't even know what an HD4 stick is and who makes it. No one here can put themselves into your shoes since we don't know you or your playing environment. Maybe your drum instructor can give you some pointers.

Dennis

[Jaford-Jr]

I don't even know what an HD4 stick is and who makes it. No one here can put themselves into your shoes since we don't know you or your playing environment. Maybe your drum instructor can give you some pointers.

Dennis
think of it this way should i use more force when i use a thinner stick with a smaller tip vs a thinker stick with a bigger stick

[MrPockets]

I don't even know what an HD4 stick is and who makes it. No one here can put themselves into your shoes since we don't know you or your playing environment. Maybe your drum instructor can give you some pointers.

Dennis

Vic Firth HD4's.

Third stick from the top: http://www.vicfirth.com/products/americanclassic.php

[audiotech]

think of it this way should i use more force when i use a thinner stick with a smaller tip vs a thinker stick with a bigger stick

The only thing I can say is, I use basically two different size sticks, a 7A and a 5A, with these there are slight variations in size, weight and length that work well for my hands. For me it's more or less the feel of the stick in my hands as to why I choose a particular stick. I never react to playing harder or softer because I'm holding a different stick. I play with a lot of dynamics depending on what the music might call for. If I'm playing light jazz for instance, my choice of a stick would probably be a 7A, for a bit heavier music like country or rock, I'll go more towards a heavier stick.

Buy your sticks for their feel and to match what you're playing, you really shouldn't have to think about having to hit more softly or more aggressively because of your stick choice.

Dennis

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

..........& arty i didnt read it.........

Well, knock me down with a feather!!!

I'll hand it to you..........at least you're consistent.

[Liebe zeit]

think of it this way should i use more force when i use a thinner stick with a smaller tip vs a thinker stick with a bigger stickI'm definitely considering moving to thinker sticks.

[Midnite Zephyr]

The only thing I can say is, I use basically two different size sticks, a 7A and a 5A, with these there are slight variations in size, weight and length that work well for my hands. For me it's more or less the feel of the stick in my hands as to why I choose a particular stick. I never react to playing harder or softer because I'm holding a different stick. I play with a lot of dynamics depending on what the music might call for. If I'm playing light jazz for instance, my choice of a stick would probably be a 7A, for a bit heavier music like country or rock, I'll go more towards a heavier stick.

Buy your sticks for their feel and to match what you're playing, you really shouldn't have to think about having to hit more softly or more aggressively because of your stick choice.

Dennis

That's exactly what I would have said. You'd think this guy would appreciate the fact that you took the time to even bother with him. I don't know what an HD4 is either because I just bought my first pair of VF and they are Extreme 5AN because I play rock music. If I played jazz, I'm sure this stick size would be overkill because I don't need to hit that hard. My understanding is that you get a heavier stick so that you can get more bang for your buck, meaning you hit harder while exerting the same amount of energy.

[Pollyanna]

...stick to a "dinner jacket party" etiquette.

Ooh, that's unnatural for me. I can't safely be exposed to polite company :)

JJ, it's easy. The guys you're playing with crank their amps up. So you must be playing rock.

You'll just break those skinny HDs. Many rock players won't bother with 7As either, and they're thicker than the HDs - breakage and a less fat sound.

The way to go are 5Bs and thicker, as per Mr Pockets's link below to the Vic Firth site.

Oh, and get the boys to turn down. You can still rock out without being deafening.

[Mad About Drums]

The way to go are 5Bs and thicker, as per Mr Pockets's link below to the Vic Firth site.

Jaford-Jr, check out Vic Firth Classic maple SD1 General, a powerful stick for rock, but light weight due to the use of maple wood. :)

[Dr_Watso]

Switch to aluminum baseball bats instead of sticks, then you should still hit harder.