View Full Version : THE "BIG" JAZZ THREAD
Erik Lund
08-31-2007, 11:54 PM
The loading time is long and there are a million pages - I'm through 3-4 pages now. Seems that Gregg and I have very similar tastes in music. He was naming everything in my collection!
But Gregg! You missed a Hamid Drake recommendation and for that I shall have to punish you:
Hamid Drake/Joe McPhee - Emancipation Proclomation.
Don't let it happen again! : )
Glad to see someone else has heard of Paal Nilson-Love.
Erik Lund
09-01-2007, 04:03 PM
I secretly hope that jazzgregg is Gregg Bendian - another drummer who completely amazes me every time. He has mentioned almost every drummer except for Bendian, which makes me hope he's just humble...
: )
brittc89
09-02-2007, 04:05 AM
I secretly hope that jazzgregg is Gregg Bendian - another drummer who completely amazes me every time. He has mentioned almost every drummer except for Bendian, which makes me hope he's just humble...
: )
I secretly hope that he is gregg brennan from canada... ;)
thunderess drummer
09-11-2007, 02:43 AM
i listened to this one jazz cd and a song on the radio and ive concluded that jazz sounds better when played fast. any comments?
Michael G
09-11-2007, 02:50 AM
How fast we talking?
Super fast jazz is terrible, if you meant like a nice upbeat Tiger Rag, then I agree.
Erik Lund
09-11-2007, 10:11 AM
Don't get me wrong - I love listening/playing stuff that goes whizzing by but I also LOVE the slower stuff. There's so much expression and nuance in the slower stuff that isn't as noticeable or even needed on the fast stuff. I used to go to these jams with some great players, and I was the only drummer who not only didn't mind playing ballads but would occassionally call one out. If one guy was up when a ballad was called, sometimes he'd say "no thanks" and wait for something else - I'd hop up and end up staying for a while.
One of my favorite songs of the past 10-20 years is this gorgeous ballad on William Parker's "Raining on the Moon" album "Old Tears" - Slow, and achingly beautiful. Love it.
On Elvin Jones' album "Youngblood" my two favorite tracks are the ballads "Angel Eyes" and "Body and Soul" A young Joshua Redman sounding fantastic here.
Also - take a spin on some good slow/medium tempo tracks: Coltrane's "Crescent", "Spiritual", "Big Nick" "Tunji" A Love Supreme's 1st and last movements...so many.
Wayne Shorter's "Footprints" (with Joe Chambers, not the Miles Quintet version which is much faster, and also great...) "Armageddon" "Witch Hunt" "502 Blues" "Deluge" etc etc.
On Miles' ESP album - while ESP is one of my favorite tracks - my absolute favorite on it is "Mood" - very slow - and like Tony on "In A Silent Way" playing nothing but 16th's on the hats - on "Mood" he's back to his minimalism with the brushes swishing and nothing else - great piece. Nothing I'd expect to get covered at the next Modern Drummer festival though.
Count Basie and "Lil' Darlin'" - always a tough tune for a big band to pull off playing that slowly - but a beautiful tune.
I'll take some balls-to-the-wall fast chaotic playing like Peter Brotzmann's "Machine Gun" (the european answer to Coltrane's "Ascension") but I'll also put in Jason Moran's take on Bjork's "Joga" right after.
Now..if you're talking about poorly played slow jazz...then sure, I'll take poorly played fast jazz over that...And a few more beers.
Michael G
09-23-2007, 03:16 AM
Here is a neat trip back in time in jazz history, way back in the 40's, the traditional jazz and swing, the best.
This is the introduction to Esquire's All American Jazz Band. Can you guess which drummer was picked before listening to it?
And it was sponsored by none other than the Coke company. take that pepsi!
drumbandit
10-25-2007, 12:57 PM
Never would have got that!
Dr Drums
12-14-2007, 07:22 PM
Yesterday I had a drum lesson, in which me and my teacher mostly talked.
He's a huge jazz drummer...
So we talked and then we got to Jazz... And i said that i got closer to jazz only as i kept evolving as a musician... and then he said, "Yes of course, Jazz is music for musicians..."
And then we talked about how wrong Jazz has gone... It was originally music for people who wanted to runaway, swing and dance...
But today, higher society people have totally took over. It's become "sophisticated" and intelligent music, mostly for musicians who play their own game: Challenge each other to see who's more sophisticated and who's better....
That's why Jazz doesn't sell much nowadays.., It's too hard to swallow for most people
Now i admit, this music has captured me, exactly because of that challenge about it and how it simply makes you a better player...
But now when I'm thinking of what has become of it... I know that Jazz is gone
*Edit : I took out the part about color, i was trying to make a point but it was totally inappropriate.
Garvin
12-14-2007, 07:40 PM
Uhhhhh... This is kind of an inflammatory post for a lot of reasons. I don't know who is more ill-informed you or your "teacher".
I consider myself a jazz-drummer. I'm not schooled in the traditional sense. I'm fairly unsophisticated. I'm white.
Jazz is very much alive all over the world. It's just like any other evolving art-form. Certain forms of jazz are outdated, or "dead", but I think the music itself is very much alive and important.
"It was originally music for black people mostly who wanted to runaway"... Honestly, what kind of statement is that? It's just plain offensive...
foursticks
12-14-2007, 08:43 PM
Yes, there are just as many black jazz musicians as white. Besides what's race got to do with it? It's MUSIC - its sound, it doesn't matter who the person producing the sound is, at the end of the day it's simply music.
Who created the rule that jazz music was for certain types of people? Jazz music, heck music, is for everyone to enjoy big or small; fat or thin; black or white, etc.
Jazz music is appreciated by others - not just musicians and its very much alive. Just because it isn't mainstream and played constantly on every radio station or on MTV does NOT mean its dead.
Also, where did this idea of sophisticated people come in? I was always the under the impression that a sterotypical jazz cat, was a herion addict that kept saying 'baby' in every sentence with a raspy voice. Now that's hardly sophisticated and another representation of the crap that is - sterotypes.
As for challenging each other, jazz musicians just want the very best out of each other in order to achieve truly great music. It may seem like they challenge in each other to you or your teacher, but in actual fact they're just communicating with one another and asking for more.
Yes, alright, Jazz is hard to swallow for some people, but that's because they're not used to that freedom and intensity it can posess and to be frank - I can understand that. I wouldn't expect anyone who's a hardcore rap and hip hop listener to immediatley understand and love John Coltrane or Miles Davis. Jazz has to be introduced slowly to people so they can digest and understand it's history - people are either too impatient or too lazy these days to do it and sterotypes like that don't help whatsoever.
To quote Frank Zappa, 'Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny.'
I think that's the case today and here especially.
tomgrosset
12-15-2007, 12:36 AM
And then we talked about how wrong Jazz has gone
Jazz is still being heard throughout North America. You just don't see it as often. Jazz is still evolving and creating new sounds as well. And just because it isn't mainstream, doesn't mean that it isn't prevalent in other countries. Take Europe for example; lots of jazz music there that's considered popular.
BringoDingo
12-15-2007, 04:29 PM
Most jazz is dead. there's some stuff there that's still worth checkin out but a lot of it seems pretty horrible. too much schoolin not enough foolin.
Dr Drums
12-15-2007, 05:01 PM
Jazz is still being heard throughout North America. You just don't see it as often. Jazz is still evolving and creating new sounds as well. And just because it isn't mainstream, doesn't mean that it isn't prevalent in other countries. Take Europe for example; lots of jazz music there that's considered popular.
Hey listen, I don't know what your impression about Israel is, especially about Tel Aviv, the livest city here... But guess what, we don't live in the desert and ride camels...
I'm probably just as exposed to jazz as you are, and still I think the way i do...
There's a big Jazz scene around here, and if you know Avishai Cohen one of the today's greatest bassists , you'd also know he's from Israel..
Peace.
DogBreath
12-15-2007, 06:55 PM
Hey listen, I don't know what your impression about Israel is, especially about Tel Aviv, the livest city here... But guess what, we don't live in the desert and ride camels...
I'm probably just as exposed to jazz as you are, and still I think the way i do...
That was Tom's point. Jazz is much more prevalent in many countries other than the U.S.
brittc89
12-15-2007, 11:20 PM
Hey listen, I don't know what your impression about Israel is, especially about Tel Aviv, the livest city here... But guess what, we don't live in the desert and ride camels...
I'm probably just as exposed to jazz as you are, and still I think the way i do...
There's a big Jazz scene around here, and if you know Avishai Cohen one of the today's greatest bassists , you'd also know he's from Israel..
Peace.
He wasnt implying that. You were the one talking about jazz being dead.
brittc89
12-15-2007, 11:29 PM
Most jazz is dead. there's some stuff there that's still worth checkin out but a lot of it seems pretty horrible. too much schoolin not enough foolin.
DOnt you need the "schoolin" before you start "foolin" though, if Im interpreting your statement correctly? Look at Berklee educated Jim Black. You have to learn the rules before you can break them.
foursticks
12-16-2007, 12:43 AM
Say it Brother!
blah blah blah..
BringoDingo
12-16-2007, 10:32 AM
I mostly listen to rock and its various forms but when I dip into the jazz it has to have some punk element in it like Jim Black (great example!). I hear lots of college kids playing jazz around here and it sounds like jazz dying. then I hear a great punk band down the street and find myself wishing the jazz kids had that gusto.
foursticks
12-16-2007, 02:02 PM
I mostly listen to rock and its various forms but when I dip into the jazz it has to have some punk element in it like Jim Black (great example!). I hear lots of college kids playing jazz around here and it sounds like jazz dying. then I hear a great punk band down the street and find myself wishing the jazz kids had that gusto.
Yes, but with all due respect, there is a great difference in college kids playing jazz and professional musicians who have the experience and knowledge of it. That's not to say all college kids can't play jazz, but the majority in college big bands and whatnot don't even listen to much jazz. Of course, there are still some who are greatly interested into it and are excellent at what they do. Anyway, my point is if you look at jazz today - played by musicians who are experienced and passionate about it - you'll see its very much alive.
Funky Crêpe
01-16-2009, 06:14 PM
i have been playing drums for 9years and am 16
I have been able to play brilliant rock for the past 5years
and even though i have been doing jazz from the start and spending all of my time at it....although i am good.......even when i am 60years old,i still wont be able to play half as much as you can
thats the difference in my opinion of rock and jazz
also....if you are a great jazz player, chances are you are a great all round drummer
if your a great rock player, chances are you can play fast and know grooves, but cannot play anything else with a bit of variaty
Deltadrummer
01-16-2009, 06:16 PM
Since you've ressurrected this thread, I hope you went back and read through all 32 pages. I actually read through it at one point.
Funky Crêpe
01-16-2009, 06:19 PM
Yes, there are just as many black jazz musicians as white. Besides what's race got to do with it? It's MUSIC - its sound, it doesn't matter who the person producing the sound is, at the end of the day it's simply music.
Who created the rule that jazz music was for certain types of people? Jazz music, heck music, is for everyone to enjoy big or small; fat or thin; black or white, etc.
Jazz music is appreciated by others - not just musicians and its very much alive. Just because it isn't mainstream and played constantly on every radio station or on MTV does NOT mean its dead.
Also, where did this idea of sophisticated people come in? I was always the under the impression that a sterotypical jazz cat, was a herion addict that kept saying 'baby' in every sentence with a raspy voice. Now that's hardly sophisticated and another representation of the crap that is - sterotypes.
As for challenging each other, jazz musicians just want the very best out of each other in order to achieve truly great music. It may seem like they challenge in each other to you or your teacher, but in actual fact they're just communicating with one another and asking for more.
Yes, alright, Jazz is hard to swallow for some people, but that's because they're not used to that freedom and intensity it can posess and to be frank - I can understand that. I wouldn't expect anyone who's a hardcore rap and hip hop listener to immediatley understand and love John Coltrane or Miles Davis. Jazz has to be introduced slowly to people so they can digest and understand it's history - people are either too impatient or too lazy these days to do it and sterotypes like that don't help whatsoever.
To quote Frank Zappa, 'Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny.'
I think that's the case today and here especially.
talkig about competition.....does anyone else realise that if any of your non jazz liking non intrument playing friends hears some great jazz drumming they say 'meh'.....but if they hear some average rock they think its the best ever!!
non drummers are too fixed on spead and loudness....its all about the technique!!
Funky Crêpe
01-16-2009, 06:20 PM
Since you've ressurrected this thread, I hope you went back and read through all 32 pages. I actually read through it at one point.
i know im a bit behind on it....rock was being talked about a bit back!....
i just want to get that point out
Deltadrummer
01-16-2009, 06:55 PM
talkig about competition.....does anyone else realise that if any of your non jazz liking non intrument playing friends hears some great jazz drumming they say 'meh'.....but if they hear some average rock they think its the best ever!!
non drummers are too fixed on spead and loudness....its all about the technique!!
The problem I have is that when I play "my music," something with Philly Jo or Art Blakey on it, people think it really sucks. The other day I was playing Horace Silver for a friend, and he said, "listen to this," I said, "that sounds like something you got with your Esteban guitar. "It was.
FunkyJazzer
01-16-2009, 11:07 PM
And then we talked about how wrong Jazz has gone... It was originally music for people who wanted to runaway, swing and dance...
But today, higher society people have totally took over. It's become "sophisticated" and intelligent music, mostly for musicians who play their own game: Challenge each other to see who's more sophisticated and who's better....
That's why Jazz doesn't sell much nowadays.., It's too hard to swallow for most people
Firstly, Jazz hasn't gone wrong at all. Contemporary jazz, and British jazz, at the moment is coming on leaps and bounds, which leads me on healthily to suggest that Jazz is far from dead.
Secondly, Jazz wasn't created for people who want to "runaway", although I'm not sure entirely what you mean...Are you thinking of Blues? In terms of slavery, etc? The original trad scene was totally mainstream, but, like today, wealthy men in business suits wanted to exploit dance and swing musicians for financial gain, or at least that's the way guys like Charlie Parker and Dizzy saw it. Hard-working musicians like these guys were sick of it, as they were practicing hard to learn how to create good music. Eventually, they formed a different style of playing that was so complex and free, that only a few select musicians at the time had the ability to create this music, the one style of music that nobody could exploit, because not many people fully understood it. I'm talking about Be-Bop. It wasn't created for dancing or swinging, it's for musicians to LISTEN.
It is nothing to do with who's better than who. Jazz musicians, in my experience, never make a point of challenging each other, they challenge THEMSELVES. It's all about you (and the rest of the band), and being the best you can be. Jazz can't just "become" sophisticated music, it always has been. It's just that today, kids are lazy, they soak up whatever crap is served to them on a plate, then move on to the next course. This process is repeated essentially the rest of their lives. They listen to a select couple of genres, that are essentially all part of the mainstream, and all marketed in the same way: Heavily.
I may sound elitist, and you're damn right I am. I happily play all kinds of music, not for more money or work, but because I love the drums, and I feel I owe it to my passion to learn everything I can. From a musician's point of view, Jazz, is without a doubt the highest form of music, or art of any kind. Completely and utterly challenging in every sense, totally beautiful, deep and free in a 100% positive way. I love the interaction, chemistry between players, and how every note or beat counts. Not to mention the sense of self-satisfaction from watching hard work pay off.
You're right that jazz doesn't sell enough, I think that jazz doesn't need an audience (as nice as that is), it needs support. I'll never really know why it doesn't receive the support it so righteously deserves, and I for one, am sick of it. Jazz is too "hard to swallow" only for the lazy and narrow-minded. To be perfectly honest, I don't really understand how you can be even close to good musicianship, and not be well-versed in playing jazz music. I can't even begin to describe just how magic the genre is, you have to practice and play it lots, but you'll see why eventually.
I know this might seem a bit of a rant aimed at you, Dr Drums, but it's not - honestly, I'm speaking in general terms.
jay norem
01-17-2009, 01:37 AM
I wonder why talking about jazz always makes people so angry? I've read through a lot of this thread and man! It's a monster of an argument, even if I can't for the life of me tell what it is people are arguing about.
Jazz does live a funny sort of life on this forum, like it's some big deal. It's not. Jazz isn't anything to get upset about, not really. If you play it, you play it. If you don't, you don't. I just don't see what there is to get all riled up about anymore. But I do think that some people here have played a little fast and loose when it comes to putting down some very fine jazz drummers, just because those drummers play in a more-or-less traditional manner.
jay norem
01-17-2009, 06:35 AM
Very odd indeed. I was about to respond to a post made by Matt Smith when suddenly, BLINK! The post was gone, without a trace.
aydee
12-04-2009, 05:29 PM
Just kicking this thread to see if its alive...
PS- yes, it is! All yours, TTNW ; )
The Colonel
12-04-2009, 08:02 PM
There Aydee goes again, stirring up the hornets' nest...
aydee
12-04-2009, 08:06 PM
There Aydee goes again, stirring up the hornets' nest...
wheryabin , you jazz fiend??
..............
The Colonel
12-04-2009, 08:21 PM
A little this, a little that.
Starting this week, I am interning with Italian percussionist Andrea Centazzo. Gonna be handling his bookings/tours etc - he lives just down the street from me! Gonna be traveling with him too (Oh I hope I get him that gig in Vietnam!)
How you doing?
aydee
12-04-2009, 08:30 PM
A little this, a little that.
Starting this week, I am interning with Italian percussionist Andrea Centazzo. Gonna be handling his bookings/tours etc - he lives just down the street from me! Gonna be traveling with him too (Oh I hope I get him that gig in Vietnam!)
How you doing?
Not bad. Got a fun thing going with a reggae band who's lead singer is a Korean, born in Uganda, raised in Indonesia & Seattle, who's got a funky jamaican accent and a nerdy but awesome jazz alto player from Germany...
ya, get to Vietnam. I hear its a great place to visit. Are you playing thesedays? ( sorry, we should be PMing this, but I figure this thread is dead so..)
The Colonel
12-04-2009, 08:40 PM
Jazzgregg mentioned Centazzo in one of his posts in this thread, so technically, *I'm* keeping the thread on task. *You* seem to be stumbling through here with your non-jazz related blather! (Ha! En garde!)
Jazz jazz jazz! Jazzy jazz jazz!
Sounds interesting! (Is the singer a guy or girl? And if girl, cute? always a plus!)
Jazz jazz jazz! Singin' 'bout some jazz!
He's got this big boxset of reissued stuff from his own label (Ictus) with some really great players: Lol Coxhill, Radu Malfatti, John Carter, Evan Parker, etc. Gonna check it out shortly!
Jazzy jazzington! Jass jass jass! Keep playin' that jazz!
The rock band is getting some serious interest from several different managing groups/advertisement agencies - maybe you'll hear us in an iPod commercial within the year.
Jazz! I'm talkin' 'bout some crazzy-[j]ass jazz!
Funky Crêpe
03-07-2010, 03:22 AM
i don't care if this conversation is dead, i just saw this and i am completly gobsmacked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXtnQ8i9Jjs#movie_player
two of the finest solo's and pieces of musicianship i have ever heard a jazz group play.....and they were all so young at the time
Flam_Taps
03-07-2010, 04:38 PM
Check out Stefon Harris and Blackout. My favorite contemporary jazz band. These guys are absolutely smokin' and there's probably not one of 'em over 25 years old.
jamest
11-17-2010, 03:27 PM
Anyone else loving Jeff Tain Watts? Seen some of his stuff on youtube playing with Branford Marsalis. Some really smooth sophisticated playing.
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truecat
04-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Any idea which to choose?
-Yamaha Stage Custom Birch 4 Piece Jazz
-Gretsch CC-J484-RS Catalina Club Jazz
-Ludwig LCE18JX-5 Element Wrap Jazzette Shell Pack
-Tama VL48JS-DMF Silverstar Jazz Kit 4 Piece
24hoursplumber
04-04-2011, 07:27 AM
I mostly listen to rock and its various forms, but when I dive into the jazz punk should have an element of it as Jim Black (a good example!). I've heard a lot of college kids playing jazz here and it seems that die of jazz. Then I heard a punk in the street and find myself wishing the kids that like jazz.
drumsjs
04-08-2011, 09:29 PM
Hey truecat- I have the same question. Did u decide on the kit?
truecat
04-10-2011, 02:15 AM
Hey truecat- I have the same question. Did u decide on the kit?
I have choosen Yamaha. But my order failed, still cant reach their website (www.gak.co.uk)
so quit plans and ordered a Mapex (http://www.thomann.de/gb/mapex_vx_serie_jazz_set_pb.htm)
Fishbones
04-10-2011, 04:23 AM
Cool to see this thread pop up - didn't know it existed.
I'm pretty involved in the experimental jazz/nu-jazz stuff. I'm really digging it right now. Mixing jazz with electronic influences is just really cool to me and really innovative. Anybody else interested in this kind of stuff? (Don't get me wrong - I'm still a huge Miles, Trane, Charlie fan).
drummaman1
04-10-2011, 07:21 AM
1. Buying a Tama Silverstar bop when I gather the money for it. Swapping out the heads for Jack DeJohnette Aquarians cranked.
2. Paul Motian.
The Colonel
04-12-2011, 12:40 AM
Cool to see this thread pop up - didn't know it existed.
I'm pretty involved in the experimental jazz/nu-jazz stuff. I'm really digging it right now. Mixing jazz with electronic influences is just really cool to me and really innovative. Anybody else interested in this kind of stuff? (Don't get me wrong - I'm still a huge Miles, Trane, Charlie fan).
Funny that you say you like jazz with electronic influences and then backtrack and say you still like Miles: he was one of the dudes who started it all, man! He forced Hancock to play an electric keyboard in the studio one time, after Herbie just dropped in to see what was up - he had his groceries with him. From there, you've got In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew, etc etc. That stuff is *great* - strange that so many people thought it was awful...
If you want to check out some really great "out-there" stuff - check out AMM - particularly their stuff in the 60's. They were some of the pioneers for all of this stuff. It's not for everyone, and I'd recommend giving it a few serious listening sessions (not background music, but eventually, if you're into it, it *can be* - and your friends will hate you : )
More modern stuff... Thirsty Ear has some really great stuff, dating back to, I dunno...late '90's I think...? There's a DJ Spooky album ...and I can't remember the name... "Optometry" ? something like that? I'm not at the house... It's got one of my favorite guys, Joe McPhee, on horn.
My old cranky buddy Jon Abbey owns Erstwhile - another great label putting out avant-garde music under the "electro-acoustic" umbrella - Tons of great stuff there with electronics and acoustic instruments. One of my favorites is Forlorn Green, with trumpet and tape loops.
Tons of great stuff out there. I wouldn't call it "innovative" any more. It's just "there". Hell, the Beatles and Pink Floyd made the loops/noise/etc stuff commercial almost 50 years ago.
Fishbones
04-12-2011, 03:01 AM
Funny that you say you like jazz with electronic influences and then backtrack and say you still like Miles: he was one of the dudes who started it all, man! He forced Hancock to play an electric keyboard in the studio one time, after Herbie just dropped in to see what was up - he had his groceries with him. From there, you've got In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew, etc etc. That stuff is *great* - strange that so many people thought it was awful...
If you want to check out some really great "out-there" stuff - check out AMM - particularly their stuff in the 60's. They were some of the pioneers for all of this stuff. It's not for everyone, and I'd recommend giving it a few serious listening sessions (not background music, but eventually, if you're into it, it *can be* - and your friends will hate you : )
More modern stuff... Thirsty Ear has some really great stuff, dating back to, I dunno...late '90's I think...? There's a DJ Spooky album ...and I can't remember the name... "Optometry" ? something like that? I'm not at the house... It's got one of my favorite guys, Joe McPhee, on horn.
My old cranky buddy Jon Abbey owns Erstwhile - another great label putting out avant-garde music under the "electro-acoustic" umbrella - Tons of great stuff there with electronics and acoustic instruments. One of my favorites is Forlorn Green, with trumpet and tape loops.
Tons of great stuff out there. I wouldn't call it "innovative" any more. It's just "there". Hell, the Beatles and Pink Floyd made the loops/noise/etc stuff commercial almost 50 years ago.
Wow -- you know your stuff! Yeah, I'm one of the few people I know who absolutely loves everything from Nefertiti through Bitches Brew/IASW. After the mid 70s, Miles kinda lost me. He had some weird collaboration stuff. I'm really digging the new stuff though - I love Robert Glasper, Meshell Ndegecello, Kudu, Jojo Mayer's projects... all that good stuff.
I'm into pretty much anything new and different. I grew up on jazz and my dad was big on psychedelic rock and the likes. I was listening to Wayne Shorter, Parliament, Pink Floyd, and all the interesting stuff growing up. Cutting edge stuff has always been huge for me.
It's great to meet someone else who's into this kind of music!
The Colonel
04-13-2011, 01:48 AM
Miles still had some great stuff in him after the 70's. Pick up Tutu. That's his last classic track, IMNSHO. There's a great live tribute album led by Wallace Roney (I think) that has a GREAT version.
Definitely definitely go to the Thirsty Ear stuff.
toddbishop
04-13-2011, 01:58 AM
Funny that you say you like jazz with electronic influences and then backtrack and say you still like Miles: he was one of the dudes who started it all, man! He forced Hancock to play an electric keyboard in the studio one time, after Herbie just dropped in to see what was up - he had his groceries with him. From there, you've got In A Silent Way, Bitches Brew, etc etc. That stuff is *great* - strange that so many people thought it was awful...
I never get the "sell-out" criticism, either, when it was some of the most out stuff of his career.
That reminds me, was the Mtume/Stanley Crouch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OLqid9RABs) thing posted here?
8Mile
04-13-2011, 03:50 AM
My old cranky buddy Jon Abbey owns Erstwhile - another great label putting out avant-garde music under the "electro-acoustic" umbrella - Tons of great stuff there with electronics and acoustic instruments. One of my favorites is Forlorn Green, with trumpet and tape loops.
Good to see some others from the JC crew representin' here.
The Colonel
04-13-2011, 04:19 AM
I never get the "sell-out" criticism, either, when it was some of the most out stuff of his career.
That reminds me, was the Mtume/Stanley Crouch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OLqid9RABs) thing posted here?
Sinbad is *very* passionate.
syoshii
01-14-2012, 06:23 AM
Jazz is really really interesting music...wide variety of styles, mixture of all kinds of music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH6O0y5rlD4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WalmmbmzXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb0TvLDlWtQ
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