Danny Carey [Archive] - DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM

aegir77

07-01-2005, 07:38 AM

this guy is the greatest for me. The way he plays and uses his technique and how he has improved sice the first album of tool to the last. And how he plays in the band Volto! ( seen them live,, wow)
His playing is based a lot on the feelin, a more emotional way of drumming. He can take his mind to a unique place and he can intepret his ideas and thoughts to us, as well as he can cause a reaction on every one of us drummers or musicians.
How his drumset is placed percectly with a mathematician, followin the "circle theory" mixed with the "golden proportion" mixed with a theory called " the theory of the equator".
He has no boundaries, he is really creative .
He has been a great inspiration, at least for me.
post your thoughts on this fella

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Danny_Carey.html

Colin

07-01-2005, 07:46 AM

I love Danny Carey. He is one of the most amazing drummers out there. I can't explain how much he and his playing means to me... I had a priviledge of seeing him last summer with the Pigmy Love Circus and it was great. I was standing ten feet away from him and his kit. Wow. While he was playing, he looked straight at me for a few seconds and I just nodded my head... we both knew. It's a drummer thing guys, hehe.

aegir77

07-01-2005, 07:47 AM

you can hear a little Volto! at http://www.myspace.com/volto

Tyrnox

07-01-2005, 09:19 PM

He's a truly amazing drummer, my favorite at the moment.

I really can't wait for the new Tool cd to come out, but I would like to hear more of Volto!, do they have a cd or something ? I've been looking around and can't find anything.

Edit : My god, I just listened to the songs on that link, and I nearly s*** myself.

insane drummer

07-01-2005, 09:24 PM

Tyrnox

07-01-2005, 09:27 PM

Speaking of Tabla, have you guys heard the Live Version of Pushit, on the Salival CD? Dany's Teacher play's Tabla in there and it's absolutly awesome.

Speedy

07-02-2005, 12:20 AM

His drumming is pretty amazing. His double bass chops are outstanding. Some cool drum stuff is the song amperstand and schism or however you spell. but what is that thing he does, the unicircular hexagram thingy mabob?

Colin

07-02-2005, 02:41 AM

The unicursal hexagram is a six-pointed star drawn in one motion (hence, "unicursal"). It is mainly used in the Occult (which Danny has a peculiar interest in). This was Aleister Crowley's sign, except he had a five-leafed clover in middle of his. I forgot the meaning, but perhaps the relation to the number five in that clover has some meaning to the number of how many points and lines are in a pentacle or pentagon— which is five. All this is fascinating stuff, and yet I've only touched the brink of it all...

Speedy

07-02-2005, 08:05 AM

i am still confused about that. what the heck does that have to do with drumming?

Colin

07-02-2005, 09:37 AM

Absolutely nothing.

C_H

07-02-2005, 12:02 PM

i downloaded a carey solo a while back and was blown away, starts of simple with some cool double bass chops then goes into a frenzy, it was awesome definately oneof the best drummers out there

Grateful Drummer

07-02-2005, 07:56 PM

Danny Carey is a genius. His fluid motion is like no one I've ever seen. The patterns and phrases he comes up with are brilliant and he's just all around greatest rock drummer.

StollerocK

07-02-2005, 11:32 PM

this guy changed my life, BIG time...seriously. his drumming is so...i dare to say "magikal", i goes straight to the soul with power and finesse. I ran in to him at a drum shop before a clinic in kansas (which was killer by the way) and he gave my ladyfriend the "eyes"...dang you danny!

thinkintriplets

07-03-2005, 03:45 AM

Its funny how you a few of you guys love his double bass stuff. Every interview I see of him, he always says his 'weak' point is his double bass drumming!

The guy is awesome though. Many of his beats sound simple, but are pretty complicated when you try playing them. My favortie tho HAS to be sober... what a kick ass song.

Marc.

Ash

07-04-2005, 10:51 PM

I too am amazed at Mr Carey's work.I have been playing drums myself for about 10 years,totally self taught and still have a long way to go!!!Every time I listen I am intrigued.It's hard enough to try and mimick the beats,but to think of them in the context of a song and make them feel so right is incredible.Nice one Danny.

DR.WHOO

07-05-2005, 04:52 PM

i used to listen to heavy metal but nowadays i 'm little bored about it( think because after a while u nneed some more ideas) but Carey makes me come back to that days..
Love him

T

Jason Dorn

07-07-2005, 03:12 AM

I find his playing so unique and soulful. He really has a great way of making complicated beats flow smoothly and not sound forced I think he is one of the most original drummers to come around in a long time. He is also one of the few drummers I've heard whose power rivals Bonhams. This man is absolutly a breath of fresh air.

aegir77

07-08-2005, 07:45 PM

did you listen to S excerpt live on www.myspace.com/volto ?, maaan.
can't wait to listen to the new tool album, i hear danny has lots of surprises for us

stagecustom

07-11-2005, 09:58 PM

Very tasty drumming... This is the key to alot of his coolness...

http://www.drummerworld.com/pics/drum/dpa24/DannyCarey.jpg

The study of tabla in relation to drumset makes for some fascinating grooves.

i too starting wednesday am going to start taking some tabla lessons, ive had tablas for a while that my mom got from India but never had the time to learn, now i really want to learn, its going to be awesome.

pRoNZ4

07-13-2005, 06:23 AM

I don't know if it's true or not, but I remember reading somewhere that some of his style of playing is based on an ancient swords technique or something. I'll try and find where I got this, anyone know anything about this?

Colin

07-13-2005, 08:08 AM

His father was a mason. Danny discovered this when he spyed on his father performing a masonic ritual with a sword. I don't know if that answers your question, Danny is not a mason and to the best of my knowledge, he does not use swords.

beat1212

07-25-2005, 09:10 AM

dustpan65

07-25-2005, 09:24 AM

The thing I enjoyed most about his drumming is that he could be going crazy behind the drums but it would sound so soothing and relaxing. Very smooth and fluid.

Scottylawton

08-01-2005, 10:02 AM

He's a bit of an odd ball but a good drummer none the less. Actually TOOL in general are wierd but they are awesome, i don't think it's excentricity that makes him wierd tho, i don't no really.

finnhiggins

08-01-2005, 10:38 AM

the guy is awsome. its funny alot of ppl (including myself) dotn realize the depth of his playing. he does a lot of latin influenced rythms with a rock feel over them. example in the song schism i saw the modern drummer transcription of the song and it said its odd time signatures one measeure of 5/8 then one measure of 7/8. well does anyone here know what 7+5=? ya 12. my teacher pointed out that he actualy thinks that the groove in the song is one measure of 12/8 because thatway u look at it the "core" cymbal pattern is actuayl a latin rythm. unforunately i dotn remember the name of the rythm but my next lesson is in 2 weeks so ill try to rember to ask him waht it was called.

I always thought of Schism as being in 12/8 and 13/8 rather than 5+7 & 6+7. I don't think the cymbal pattern would be a deliberate latin thing, a lot of those bell patterns kind of seem to slip out with very minor modifications to quite mathematical stuff. For example, a double paradiddle becomes a bembe ride cymbal pattern if you change the last "L" to an "R" and stop playing the left hand:

Bembe:

1tl2tl3tl4tl
bell X X XX X X X

Double Paradiddle:

1tl2tl3tl4tl
RH R R RR R R
LH L L L L LL

Like so. So I suspect he was really just following the 5/7 phrasing and the latiny vibe just slipped out because so many latin bell lines have that on-beat first bar, off-beat second bar (or the reverse) type feel about them as they have to fit with the different bars of clave.

toteman2

08-01-2005, 10:48 AM

Here is what Danny says..

"This beat was composed to be a simple accompaniment to Justin's beautiful bass line. Being in a compound time of 12/8 (5/8 + 7/8), the main goal was to let the natural pulse of the melody come through and keep it simple enough to let Maynard's polyrhythmic phrasing in 3 come through unscathed.The transition into the pre-chorus was done with the same intent but was a little more jerky due to the added beat that moved the time into 13/8 (6/8 + 7/8)."

A beautiful thing...

finnhiggins

08-01-2005, 12:32 PM

He's a bit of an odd ball but a good drummer none the less. Actually TOOL in general are wierd but they are awesome, i don't think it's excentricity that makes him wierd tho, i don't no really.

I'm of the view that it's all marketing. You have to admit, they've done a great job of making this really mysterious image for themselves, but it's just as easy to read virtually everything they say as deadpan humour. Like they're trying to see how far they can go before they get called out as bullshitters.

There was an old interview with Maynard and Henry Rollins that I think crossed miles over the line into parody, which sort of made me realise that everything any of the band was saying could be read that way. I mean, seriously? "I summoned a demon into my bass drum!". I reckon he was pissing himself laughing after the interviewer left the room on that one...

dan

08-01-2005, 02:09 PM

There was an old interview with Maynard and Henry Rollins that I think crossed miles over the line into parody, which sort of made me realise that everything any of the band was saying could be read that way. I mean, seriously? "I summoned a demon into my bass drum!". I reckon he was pissing himself laughing after the interviewer left the room on that one...

hahaha (damned 20 characters!)

Scottylawton

08-04-2005, 12:20 PM

I'm of the view that it's all marketing. You have to admit, they've done a great job of making this really mysterious image for themselves, but it's just as easy to read virtually everything they say as deadpan humour. Like they're trying to see how far they can go before they get called out as bullshitters.

There was an old interview with Maynard and Henry Rollins that I think crossed miles over the line into parody, which sort of made me realise that everything any of the band was saying could be read that way. I mean, seriously? "I summoned a demon into my bass drum!". I reckon he was pissing himself laughing after the interviewer left the room on that one...

Yeh see thats what it thought but then i went to his website and it's full of wierd stuff, Yeh that must be one evil bass drum man, and what would happen when he changes kits does he have to move it ghostbusters style? haha

finnhiggins

08-04-2005, 03:21 PM

Yeh see thats what it thought but then i went to his website and it's full of wierd stuff, Yeh that must be one evil bass drum man, and what would happen when he changes kits does he have to move it ghostbusters style? haha

All of the Tool-related websites are like that. The Toolband.com one just has some guy called Blair ranting about ritual magic and his latest curry recipe for weeks at a time. But that said, about half of what they come out with does appear to be total bulls*** - go back to the Aenima interview circuit and read all the Adam Jones ones where he claims to have used some bizarre lady shaving device instead of an e-bow. Then go listen to the song, note that it sounds just like an e-bow. Then go look at the example song list provided when you buy an e-bow and notice that... hell... that song is on there!

Then also go read the thousands of man-hours of fans trying to find that very lady shaving device, with no success.

Then imagine Adam Jones laughing his head off...

Works for me.

illy

08-06-2005, 07:07 AM

GHOSTBUSTERS STYLE! LOL. that's awesome.

thetourist

08-08-2005, 06:15 AM

Then go look at the example song list provided when you buy an e-bow and notice that... hell... that song is on there!

Then also go read the thousands of man-hours of fans trying to find that very lady shaving device, with no success.

Then imagine Adam Jones laughing his head off...

Works for me.

I don't have any reason to believe that he would lie about something like that just for laughs. I can imagine getting some pretty neat sounds out of those shaver things. I think that e-bows and accesories of that sort are pretty obscure and commercial. Why give away your money to some guy when you could be having fun with your own household products?

While that was all a bit off topic... I think that one of my favorite danny carey things are his hi hat grooves like the ones on sober and that very short one in eulogy. Speaking of sober..I don't know if there is a fill that could sound any smoother than his intro into that song.

finnhiggins

08-08-2005, 06:17 AM

Speaking of sober..I don't know if there is a fill that could sound any smoother than his intro into that song.

Yeah, the one he did on the 4-track demo version... I used to have it a bunch of years ago and if I recall correctly it was actually a wee bit harder than the album one.

Smoky_McPot

08-08-2005, 02:20 PM

I think that one of my favorite danny carey things are his hi hat grooves like the ones on sober and that very short one in eulogy.

Yeah that groove is awesome! I also really like the hihat groove in 5/8 over Justins 6/8 bass in Lateralus. In Modern Drummer he explains most of the time sigs in the Lateralus album.

Can i also ask, does anyone know where to find some Danney Carey Transcriptions! I hope someone has a link!!! I have tried looking around the net, i just cant find many!

theduke86

08-08-2005, 06:55 PM

Danny Carey kicks ass. He's what got me into drums. Like those who stated before me, don't read too much into the weird side of Tool. It's a marketing scheme. I love Tool, can't wait for the new album.

cicatrizoo

08-08-2005, 11:57 PM

I'm really suprised we haven't seen a Tool Dvd released. I hear there's one from the Lateralus Tour in the works.

Does anybody know if Danny plays heel-up or heel-toe?

g

finnhiggins

08-09-2005, 12:00 AM

I'm really suprised we haven't seen a Tool Dvd released. I hear there's one from the Lateralus Tour in the works.

Does anybody know if Danny plays heel-up or heel-toe?

g

Heel-up all the way, I think. As for a DVD, I think the major reason they haven't done it is that it's probably quite hard to fit into their image. They've capitalised in a big way on staying mysterous and aloof, why change unless they need the money?

Blue

08-09-2005, 08:49 AM

I still don't know how he plays the intro and especially the middle fill to "sober." It seems impossibly fast, like it shouldn't fit in the measure, but it does. It's absolutely incredibly. His fills in Undertow are so money.

illy

08-09-2005, 11:31 AM

i think he begins the fill with doubles (a roll on the snare) and as he progesses down the toms, he changes to singles. it starts really fast and chaotic and comes out i the end with a definite tempo/rhythm. it's the perfect intro to that song.... *SIGH*

aegir77

08-12-2005, 11:02 PM

he's got great ones, sober's one... ticks and leeches, the grudge, 46 & 2, schism, all the tool songs have great fills, rythms and creative stuff

Blue

08-14-2005, 09:20 PM

I think pretty much everything he does is perfect. Nobody could be in that band and do it better.

aegir77

08-15-2005, 06:35 AM

I think pretty much everything he does is perfect. Nobody could be in that band and do it better.
exactly, the question is, do you consider yourself a fine replacement, would you accept? do you think you got what it takes?

Blue

08-15-2005, 07:01 AM

Yeah, I think I could do it, but it wouldn't be nearly as good. He plays almost mathematically, like each fill is a logical deduction for which there can be no other solution, kind of like Neil Peart. I'm a much more emotional player, like Keith Moon. Maybe everything isn't as clean, but I put my heart and soul into it. I'm afraid my groove falters before his, as well as my chops, understanding of 4-way independance, and overall speed. Maybe I'll be as good someday, but not now.

Stu_Strib

08-16-2005, 04:42 AM

Ok, don't kill me here, but is there anyone else who doesn't get Tool?

I dunno, it does nothing for me, but maybe its over my head. Or maybe I have the opposite reaction to it and think the people who are really into just don't have any framework to compare it to?

Its somewhat original, and yes at times complex, I just can't put my finger on what it is I don't like.

Maybe the Modern Drummer 2005 dvd will change my mind, but I've never been overwhelmed by Carey or Tool. Maybe I need to see more (well, considering I've only seen what's on drummerworld).

illy

08-16-2005, 04:46 AM

is danny carey on the MD2005 DVD?!?

toteman2

08-16-2005, 04:52 AM

the footage from DW does no justice for Carey...It is such a poor example of what he can actualy do on the kit...I've always loved Tool, and the way they structure all their music...It's a breath of fresh air, from all the usual mainstream garbage...They are a very musical, dark, and powerfull band and thats what i like about them...It seems like most of their songs always build up and progress into the giant orgy of sound and fury, and it just hits me in a fantastic way...

FYI--Tool will not be at Modern Drummer Festival 2005...It will be Danny's side project Volto...From what I've heard on Myspace.com, they are gonna friggn rock the house down...All amazing musicians...

To add...There is almost no video you can get of Danny playing On-line or in stores...I have a bootleg from the Lateralus tour (Bakersfeild. CA) with pretty damn good picture and sound...He is nothing short of amazing on the kit live...

finnhiggins

08-16-2005, 04:54 AM

Ok, don't kill me here, but is there anyone else who doesn't get Tool?

...

Its somewhat original, and yes at times complex, I just can't put my finger on what it is I don't like.

I get it, and I also get why you might not. It's all very samey. They've got a sound of their own, but if you're not into it then... well.. you're probably not going to be. Kind of like Pink Floyd.

As for people being into it not having a framework for understanding other stuff... I don't think so. There's plenty of people with obvious understanding and experience of a whole bunch of other styles who enjoy them. I think it's probably more that what they have to say isn't a message that really resonates with you, which is fairly understandable...

illy

08-16-2005, 05:40 AM

To add...There is almost no video you can get of Danny playing On-line or in stores...I have a bootleg from the Lateralus tour (Bakersfeild. CA) with pretty damn good picture and sound...He is nothing short of amazing on the kit live...

Is that bootleg on VHS? or is it on your computer.

also, have you seen his video clips on his website? if anyone wants to see some small additional clips of drumside view of danny playing some tool songs, go here:

http://www.dannycarey.org

then, click on the links in this order: Enter --> Philosophy --> Education --> Cyberclinic

toteman2

08-16-2005, 06:01 AM

Is that bootleg on VHS? or is it on your computer.

It's a VHS i got off Ebay...I hope someday they get a DVD of live performances together...

Blue

08-16-2005, 07:27 AM

That is so COOL!! The triplets on Forty Six and Two? Jeez, so fast!

Colin

08-16-2005, 09:34 AM

At the end of Danny's solo, when it climaxes to his insane snare/tom/bass fill— is that the Gadd-Triplet fill with added double-bass notes? That's how I've always played it.

Smoky_McPot

08-16-2005, 12:01 PM

That is so COOL!! The triplets on Forty Six and Two? Jeez, so fast!

Man I have been learning that song since i started playin 8 years ago...but i can proudly say i can drum that song without errors! Tool are an awesome band. Danney an awesome drummer. 46 and 2 is easy compared with crazyness such as Triad or Aenema.

finnhiggins

08-16-2005, 12:11 PM

Man I have been learning that song since i started playin 8 years ago...but i can proudly say i can drum that song without errors! Tool are an awesome band. Danney an awesome drummer. 46 and 2 is easy compared with crazyness such as Triad or Aenema.

You reckon? I can play Aenema pretty cleanly - or rather, could last time I was asked to by a band two years ago - but 46&2 would take a fair bit of work to get down. Triad is pretty hard with that syncopated opposing time thing on the kick drum during the breakdown.

Smoky_McPot

08-16-2005, 12:25 PM

- but 46&2 would take a fair bit of work to get down. Triad is pretty hard with that syncopated opposing time thing on the kick drum during the breakdown.

46 & 2 isnt really hard, the hardest part to master is the solo, but once you know where he is going with the drums its so easy to play. Man ok thinkin about it i think the hardest song i can think of right now is... Eulogy

finnhiggins

08-16-2005, 01:46 PM

46 & 2 isnt really hard, the hardest part to master is the solo, but once you know where he is going with the drums its so easy to play. Man ok thinkin about it i think the hardest song i can think of right now is... Eulogy

Heh, again, the hardest bit of that is the 3/16 over 4/4 thing and that's actually not that tricky if you learn it slow. Lateralus is arguably harder, the opposing time bit in the middle of that needs four sequential 16ths on the bass drum while opening and closing the hats - and the verse is pretty damn weird too with all those roaming toms. The Grudge isn't exactly easy either.

Big Evil

08-17-2005, 12:29 AM

I found videos of danny carey on his website today. his smothness on schism blows me away! everything that man plays is incredable! www.dannycarey.com then enter and go to philosophy and go to education then go to cyberclinic and there is 3 videos to watch. The videos are short but very good!

Stu_Strib

08-17-2005, 12:41 AM

Hmmmm....still not seeing it. I would hope there is something better than those 3 videos.

finnhiggins

08-17-2005, 02:56 AM

There is. He looks and sounds like a big hairy basher on those vids. Listen to the CDs, the detail in what he plays is pretty astounding and he's shockingly tight. Alternatively, wait for something decently recorded to show up.

Stu_Strib

08-17-2005, 03:10 AM

finnhiggins

08-17-2005, 04:03 AM

any suggested tracks? I worked through schism when it came out in modern drummer, and yeah , that ending is pretty much impossible.

I'm currently transcribing a song called Stink Fist I know nothing about. I like the groove, and it seems easier than schism.

OK, track suggestions for cool drumming:

Obvious difficult/flashy stuff: Solo on "46&2", fast endings to "Schism" and "The Grudge" (from about 8:00 onwards), ludicrous big-kit 7/4 stuff on "Ticks and Leeches", fills on "Sober".

Things I like more on a musical or tricksy front, mostly for phrasing or one of his regular tricks where he leaves the snare out of an intense section and then brings it back in to emphasise the release:

* "jimmy" from Aenima for nice control of space and odd times, gets more fun as things progress, particularly from around 3:00 onwards.

* "Pushit" has a whole lot to recommend it, although it's extremely long. The percussive section in the middle is an interesting use of drum electronics. The opening 12/8 groove has some nice hi-hat turnaround stuff. The instrumental break starting around 6:25 has some cute phrasing. The ending has some cool fills too, particularly from around 9:00 or so right up to the end.

* There's a lot of neat drum stuff on "The Patient" from Lateralus, which I think is otherwise a fairly average song. All the hi-hat stuff during the opening two minutes is pretty cute. And I really like the phrasing from around 5:30 through 6:15 or so.

* "Reflection" is nice for a big-kit groove, and also the whole Tim Alexander-style "build it until it explodes" approach. Sounds a lot like "Moving Pictures" era Rush with those samples though.. And when he finally breaks groove at around 7:25 it's very effective.

illy

08-17-2005, 05:26 AM

wnnabdrummer

08-26-2005, 08:48 PM

danny carey- tool, pigmy love circus
josh freese- a perfect circle

danny carey is the man! he's (in my opinion) one of the most talented drummers out there. his excellent 4-way coordination is unreal. sure there's fast drummers out there, but its mainly his coordination on top of speed that just make him unreal.

Bonham to the moon

08-26-2005, 09:13 PM

very very talented drummer, but not a fan of his music.

Thinshells

08-26-2005, 10:14 PM

I like some of Tool's music, not all of it. It can be an acquired taste.

Danny is a hard hitter. He was obviously like a kid in a candy store when he played Jeff Ocheltree's Paiste Bronze kit. That was refreshing to see.

He also has a drum kit and playing concept going on, and that makes him great. Even if Tool disbanded today, Danny would be in high demand for gigs elsewhere. He isn't limited to the simple, and can deliver the power. He is not far removed from the late, great John Bonham. They seem to be a kindred spirit.

Danny rocks!

theduke86

08-27-2005, 02:58 AM

I can say with 100% accuracy that DC never played with A Perfect Circle.
Danny Carey got me into drumming, back in the day, which actually isn't all that long ago. I really love his playing- I think I've gotten over it now, but I still listen back to Aenima and lateralus especially from time to time. I am looking forward to the new album as well.

nadslaing

08-27-2005, 09:13 AM

Danny Carey is awesome. In Tool, he shows he can pump it out hard (e.g. Lateralis, or Lateralus? hmm), or play a more soothing sound on the drums (e.g. Reflection). Along with Mike Portnoy, he really is a breathe of fresh air in drumming. I will admit though, Dream theater and TOOL's music does allow for much more creative drumming, than, say, to, uhhhhhh.....Green Day. But still, I hardly doubt that some one like Tre Cool (crap name as well) could be as creative as Carey or Portnoy. Here's to Danny, Portnoy, and to TOOL's new album...coming....soon...ish..maybe.

mont_man22

08-30-2005, 07:02 PM

does anyone have any video's of danny playing that isnt the one from drummer world or the ones from his site?!!?

Ash

08-31-2005, 09:33 PM

I have fallen out with Danny Carey anyway.He isn't on the new modern drummer festival dvd because he didn't want to be taped,so I hear.He was alright being taped for jeff ocheltree's video.I have liked TOOL for 10 years and the only footage of Danny playing available is 3 minutes on the ocheltree video and about 4 minutes worth on his site.Any chance of a U.K. clinic Danny????? £300 for a return flight from the good ol' U.S. of A,£100 on accommodation and you can have some dinner round mine.Whats more,you can hold the clinic in our practice room. What do ya say? 2 days out of your time to make alot of U.K. TOOL fans overwhelmingly happy. Go on,I dare you. Balls to the legal implications.

toteman2

09-01-2005, 03:11 AM

Yeah, Danny and his bandmates have always been very big on keeping themselves out of the limelight...They prefer the music be about the music, and not themselves...Though it chaps my ass that i don't have alot of video of one of my favorite drummers to watch and learn, i can't help but respect his position on this...In an indrustry where 95% of those who are in it want their faces and ego's exposed to the fullest, Danney and Tool prefer not to get caught up in that mess for the sake of not losing sight of what they are doing...

mediocrefunkybeat

09-01-2005, 03:22 AM

finnhiggins

09-01-2005, 03:58 AM

You guys say Josh Freese plays on APC albums, and I don't doubt that for a second; but looking at the liner notes to 'A Perfect Circle' I noticed the name: Tim 'Herb' Alexander (of Primus). Maybe he guested on a couple of tracks. Either way, very unconventional percussion on APC. I personally prefer Tool over APC, but both bands are excellent.

Tim Alexander was the original drummer of APC, he played with them during their early live gigs. He left before the record was complete, and was replaced by Josh Freese. On the album he only plays on "The Hollow", which is my favourite bit of drumming on the album. No offence to Josh Freese, his stuff is great too - I just like that track more :)

Zildjian232

09-22-2005, 05:23 AM

i just recently got into tool a couple months ago and im completley blown away. before that i was into dream theater and i thought there were one of the most amazing thing ever(still do), but tool just takes you out somewhere far away. Danny careyy would have to be in the the top 5 rock drummers ever. right up there with peart, bonham, and moon. hes so techincal and powerfull. his drumsound that he achieved is right up there next to bonhams. His drumming sort of tells a story. he plays in a way that he will backdown and then just come in so fluently and effortles. he makes everything seem so easy in a wierd kind of way. when you listen to it you know its awsome but you cant really respect it until you try to play it.. i figure him as the john bonham of today. hes just a really powerfull player. he seems to put everything in the right place. not to flashy not to simple

fkleiner

09-23-2005, 05:01 AM

anyone ever hear that song "divorced" that tool did with the melvins? it's like half of each band put together into one whole. a badass song, but an incredibly badass drum battle between dale crover and danny carey. i'd really suggest tracking that one down over any mp3 example of danny's playing (hell, two birds with one stone cuz of dale crover!)...

another aspect about his drumming that often goes overlooked is the electronic sounds he incorporates into the music. like the breakdown in the middle of "h" is a pretty good example of his tastes and independance. even better, the layering of rhythms in the intro to eulogy. yep, that's all danny (some must be drum machines or somethin tho). "hooker with a penis" is just a blast, one of the more powerful examples of his playing. the cover of led zep's "no quarter" is a good one, as well as "third eye," from aenima. too many details to really explain, but if you're familiar with him you know what i'm talking about.

as for transcriptions, check out www.mxtabs.net. most aren't entirely accurate, i can fulfill any transcribing requests you want....

Sticksman

09-29-2005, 02:30 AM

Man... I'm listenting to Aenima right now, and its just truly coming home as to how precise, yet fast, this man is. God he's awesome...

Det_Nosnip

09-30-2005, 09:40 AM

There is one other "prog" drummer who I've heard that plays with as much feeling and emotion as Danny Carey, and that's Gavin Harrison. Both men nevery cease to continually amaze me. I am listening to the Volto stuff right now, and am currently in the process of picking my jaw back up off of the floor. Holy CRAP, I knew he was going to have chops, but...!!!!!!!!!

His hands are so fast...so clean.....so....so....*faints*

Drummer_Boy

10-02-2005, 09:47 AM

Man I love Danny Carey. I think he has some real cool stuff with Tool. I hope their new album comes out soon. I've been really getting into him and Tool. I like the way he has such good coordination with his double bass, but still jams on his h-hats. Him and Tool are some of the greatest things drumming has created. My favorite song of Tool's is "Prison Sex", probably.

Det_Nosnip

10-04-2005, 09:57 AM

yep, that's all danny (some must be drum machines or somethin tho).

Really? I thought that Adam was at least in there a little, doing the melody....or whatever you'd call it. ;) The thing that sounds like a duck.

Some really nice over the bar/conflicting time work there, too.

finnhiggins

10-04-2005, 12:27 PM

Really? I thought that Adam was at least in there a little, doing the melody....or whatever you'd call it. ;) The thing that sounds like a duck.

Some really nice over the bar/conflicting time work there, too.

The thing that sounds like a duck is Maynard with a megaphone, if you listen carefully you can hear he's actually singing a sustained note the whole time and then pulling those loud notes out by pressing the megaphone button.

Adam is playing too, he's doing the:

1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a
xxxx xxxx xxxx

... type rhythm (can't remember if that's exactly it). He plays it on the guitar behind the bridge, if I recall. It's most certainly not all Danny.

NaturalRaz

10-04-2005, 05:13 PM

I'm really suprised we haven't seen a Tool Dvd released. I hear there's one from the Lateralus Tour in the works

This has been an ongoing soap-opera of confusion since 2001. I am a member of T.A. (ToolArmy) and there has been "official" releases stating that there is going to be one, and there has been "official" releases stating that there is not going to be one. "Officially" it was supposed to be released in November in 2003, then it was said to be released in August 2004, and the latest news is......the bands management and label are not sure about releasing a DVD becuase of concerns that its not going to be profitable.

Anyways...did you get to see the Lateralus tour? There is not going to be much to show on that DVD becuase you can hardly see the band with the way the stage show was. It was all lights and digital images projected onto 3 screens with no spotlights on TOOL's members. They pretty much played in the dark, and all you could see was thier sillouettes. Why yes...the band was visual a little bit....It might not be a good thing to release onto DVD. That was a great show by the way...I loved every minute of it and saw them 3 times on that tour, but you have to admit....it might not come off well on DVD...cuz the show kinda goes against what DVD is about...(Showing the band on T.V.),,,right?

Lets just face it.....its impossible to ever guess what Tool is going to do or not going to do. In my opinon....they are not a band that cares about a DVD release or matters like that. When they create new music for another album....they will do thier parts indvidually, and when they all agree that they all like what the others have shown one-another through sent email files......then they will decide to get into the studio. Plus..every member has side projects that they appear to be very busy with. There have been "official releases" around about a new CD for the last year. Then there are "official releases" saying that now its a unsure thing.

As much as I love TOOL and Danny Carey....they are like ghost....and when they re-appear...everyone will know. Until then...we have to continue to love the stuff that they have already released. I know I am satisfied with everything they have done.......but I would love to see whats next...cuz we know its gonna be great.

fkleiner

10-04-2005, 08:31 PM

i wasn't implying every sound in the intro was danny... i just mean all the percussion sounds including cymbals and pads and stuff in the beginning, then he brings in a hi hat rhythm, then brings in the bass drum, then congas, then hi hat left foot, then snare and everything else. very nice.

sugarbaby

10-19-2005, 09:15 PM

dgsdfsDanny Carey is one of my Favorite drumists he plays in Tool and he did play in a perfect circle.
Honest mistake considering that maynard is in the band.That is the main thing behind tool and apc's message is to learn something new.

sugarbaby

10-19-2005, 09:20 PM

Tim Alexander was the original drummer of APC, he played with them during their early live gigs. He left before the record was complete, and was replaced by Josh Freese. On the album he only plays on "The Hollow", which is my favourite bit of drumming on the album. No offence to Josh Freese, his stuff is great too - I just like that track more :)
All three membranoists are exceptionally good percussionists, but what really matters is that they all have they're own style.

drumbig

10-19-2005, 10:40 PM

So whats the rumor on the new tool album early next year mabe? Can't wait!!!

NaturalRaz

10-20-2005, 01:21 AM

So whats the rumor on the new tool album early next year mabe? Can't wait!!!

I made a post about it a few post above your question. Check it out! The reason that you didn't see it is becuase this thread needed to be merged.

Peter Larson

10-23-2005, 10:16 PM

What to people think of danny carey, i personally love him, am i jaded because i think tool is an unbelivable band, or is he really as good as i think?

MECHT4NK

11-05-2005, 03:36 AM

one of my favorite drummers (and tool also is one of my favorite bands). I recently heard some tracks by a side-project he did called zaum. there are probably some people here familiar with it otherwise you might want to take a look into this. he did some great work there too (although I didn't really like the vocals as much as I like them from maynard).

The Rev #2

12-04-2005, 06:21 AM

Danny Carey and Maynard James Keenan are prabably my idols in the rock category, They are both gnarly people.

Sticksman

12-04-2005, 06:56 AM

I'm attempting to learn Lateralus note-for-note, and man is it hard! The part in the middle, with the opening/closing hi-hats and the four consecutive bass notes, requires a proficient degree of independence and timing. Insane stuff, not to mention that I'm also incoroporating the breakdown Danny does at the end of the song in the Jeff Ocheltree DVD (which also happens to be here on the site).

He's such an amazing drummer. Whether you label him under hard rock, prog, or experimental, he's still one of the drumming greats of this decade. His understanding of odd time signatures, his ability to vary grooves and patterns in the middle of songs, his sense of phrasing and technical proficiency... amazing. Just amazing. One of my favorite drummers right now, and he's earned it!

finnhiggins

12-04-2005, 06:59 AM

I'm attempting to learn Lateralus note-for-note, and man is it hard! The part in the middle, with the opening/closing hi-hats and the four consecutive bass notes, requires a proficient degree of independence and timing. Insane stuff, not to mention that I'm also incoroporating the breakdown Danny does at the end of the song in the Jeff Ocheltree DVD (which also happens to be here on the site).

I always found the verse right at the beginning one of the hardest bits. The five-against-six bit in the middle is quite tricky, but once you get it the pattern is relatively short and you've just got to stay tight. But the verse has all kinds of bizarre tom patterns wandering across barlines and all sorts of things.

burnthehero

12-05-2005, 01:39 AM

There's nothing I can say about Danny Carey that hasn't already been said. He is probably the most creative, powerful, and technically proficient drummer of the modern age. He is, and will continue to be, my biggest inspiration to play drums.

Motor League

12-06-2005, 10:22 AM

He's definitely among the greats, but I think that's some pretty lofty praise. There are super technical drummers abound, and I think it gets damn hard when you're at that level to say hey - this guy is better than that one. Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, Nick Barker are all guys who I'd say give him a run for his money.

fatmatty

12-28-2005, 05:22 PM

Umm dude firstly, Danney is doing all the percussion in the intro to Eulogy....Adam plucking the guitar over and over....i dunno if that sounds like a ducksound to you but whatever.....and then Maynard is making that 'bup bup' sound through a hair drier.....if you dont believe me download a live bootleg clip of the song and see for yourself....thought id just clear that up for you guys.....Cheers(btw i signed up to this website just to post that....hahaha i couldnt let such misknowledge be passed on!)

The thing that sounds like a duck is Maynard with a megaphone, if you listen carefully you can hear he's actually singing a sustained note the whole time and then pulling those loud notes out by pressing the megaphone button.

Adam is playing too, he's doing the:

1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a
xxxx xxxx xxxx

... type rhythm (can't remember if that's exactly it). He plays it on the guitar behind the bridge, if I recall. It's most certainly not all Danny.

spacebeat3117

01-31-2006, 10:39 PM

I cant wait for this new album . His fills on "The Grudge" and "Pushit" blow my mind so much that i wont attempt to even try. oh yea and check out www.myspace.com/volto for real D.C fans!

TOMANO

02-07-2006, 06:12 PM

Danny Carey's playing on Lateralus is some of my favorite stuff. Very cool use of toms, monster bass drum work, just excellent.

I wish his website offered a little more insight and was varied a little. It's like, okay, I get it, you think Aleister Crowley is really cool, how 'bout some stuff related to music?

Anyway, I look forward to hearing more from this guy.

TOMANO

Tampabaybucs44

02-12-2006, 03:13 AM

i thought he and one other drummer were going to be on the mdfest... i dont know, i may be making a mistake.

brittc89

02-12-2006, 06:15 AM

He played at the festival but his PR wouldnt let him be on the DVD. I dont know the whole story, pretty mysterious.

aahznightsky

02-12-2006, 06:36 AM

id give an arm and a leg to see that performance!!!

Anchein Vouivra

02-12-2006, 10:46 PM

A new dream has come to reality: Tool are touring again and they are coming this summer to Europe. I'll see them at Rock Im Park in Germany and at Interlaken Switzerland (same fest than DW's video of Terry Bozzio with Fantomas). HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY!! Favourite band, one of my favourite drummer grrrr that's some nasty news.

Guinness

02-26-2006, 07:28 PM

The following is an excerpt from Danny's bio on the Tool web page-

Despite not becoming a Mason or aligning himself with any other school of religion, Danny has maintained his heritages interest in occult studies. Endeavors into this realm have manifested periodically, such as the time he achieved insight into a hidden aspect of the unicursal hexagram utilizing an astral journey initiated through meditation and DMT. Danny then set up his drums into proportions utilizing the circle and square of the New Jerusalem and uttered a short prayer relating to the principles of the ace of swords from the book of Thoth. He then performed a ritual utilizing his new found knowledge of the unicursal hexagram to generate a pattern of movement in space relating to Fuller's vector equilibrium model. The resulting rhythm and gateway summoned a daemon he has contained within "the Lodge" that has been delivering short parables similar to passages within the Book of Lies. Danny recommends as a device of protection and containment a thorough study and utilization of the underlying geometry of the Temple of Solomon for anyone purchasing their next record.

Now, I think the guy is a good drummer and all, but geez! A sane drummer of his caliber might list the influences of the greats that came before him, he might even explain the importance of practice and study of different styles, but Danny has a deadringer that he has so kindly shared with all the young fans out there. His playing style can be accredited to a "daemon he has contained within the Lodge".

Now kids, be careful before you try this at home. Be sure to get that handy dandy protection and containment device. A thorough study and utilization of the underlying geometry of the Temple of Solomon is required. Good luck with the "daemon"!

I'm going to go ahead and vote- insane.

bigleaguechew

02-26-2006, 07:37 PM

I am under the impression you are not getting the joke? I am not the biggest Tool fan or am i the greatest Danny Carey fan. When reading his passage...do not take it so seriously. The essence of Tool, in my opinion, that it is group of "Andy Kauffmans." They like to have fun through odd "dry humor" jokes. By doing this they leave the fans in confusion pondering one question: "is this for real, or a joke." So in the end, to call Danny Carey "insane" is a little premature. Have a little fun, and try not to take the things they say too seriously.

Be original, BigLeagueChew

theduke86

02-26-2006, 08:03 PM

Yeah. I'm one of the biggest Tool fans in the universe. Danny Carey is not crazy, just very, very funny. He's not really into the occult.

Guinness

02-26-2006, 08:09 PM

This is very good to know. I was thinking that this guy had fallen off his rocker. He's a very good drummer. I guess the jokes on me, just like Big League said, "Andy Kaufmans".

finnhiggins

02-26-2006, 08:49 PM

I reckon it started out as a "hey, let's try that for an image" thing and kind of ballooned over the years as interviewer after interviewer failed to get the joke and kept asking more and more serious questions about the subject.

Have you read toolband.com? It's just some random guy called Blair rambling on about taking drugs, eating curry and partaking in occult rituals. You really think they'd do that seriously? I reckon they're having a great time keeping fourteen and fifteen year old kids in Deep Philosophy to chat about on the internet.

hateplow

02-26-2006, 09:46 PM

I think you have to be puffing on DMT to try and write music as he does.
His drumming is insane.

Stu_Strib

02-26-2006, 09:47 PM

Yeah, what finn said. Sounds like a quick gimmick to attract some attention. Given Tools very secretive ways and refusal to put Carey on Modern Drummer Festival DVD though raises my suspicions to just how "fun loving" they really are.

No Tool on iTunes? ONE BILLION SONGS SOLD and not a single one of them by Tool.

On a complete side note, I'm glad that Finn and I have come full circle and generally are in 100 percent agreement most of the time! I guess as long as we avoid talking about Mac vs. PC or Vital Information we are golden!

More Matt Chamberlain, less Steve Smith I say!

tambian89

02-26-2006, 10:00 PM

Genius or Insane:

Many geniuses are known to be considered insane: it is the only way to cause a revolution. Look at Galileo. He had thoughts of astronomy whicheveryone considered to be insane: his theories are now accepted by everyone (the sun is the center of our solar system, planets move in elliptical orbits).

Danny is definately strange, but I think Tool seems to put on sort of a show with themselves. Maynard James Keenan (who I consider a freak) is considered by many to be one the greatest lyricists ever (he is very intelligent, and his work reflects his knowledge of writing and literature). He is known to hate the music industry itself, since it is a money scheme (in his opinion).

I think the entire band is putting some sort of act; it seems as though they attempt to be as strange as possible. Danny is known affiliate of the occult and applies metaphysics to drumming (I don't even know what metaphysics is). Danny Carey is either putting on the genius act or the weirdo act. Since the genius act may get him notariety, further pushing him into the media, I'll go with straight up crazy.

- Marc

Anchein Vouivra

02-26-2006, 10:02 PM

I don't think Tool are occult at all, I think if they have an engagement it's more politically oriented. And even if they were it wouldn't change the way I listen their incredible music.
Some pictures still make me wonder if they are really joking or not..........maybe it's just another DMT ritual.............

Bernhard

02-26-2006, 10:09 PM

tambian89

02-26-2006, 10:13 PM

[QUOTE=Stu_Strib]Yeah, what finn said. Sounds like a quick gimmick to attract some attention. QUOTE]

Stu Brings up a valid point: Danny Carey seems to want some sort of attention. He will probably never get any from the media, which is actually a shame. This nature in itself will attract die-hard fans of Tool, who try to mimic Tool in as many ways possible. For example: In my school, I talked to one of my friends about Lateralus (the CD). I was handing him the cd; This really strange kid at our school came up to us :
Him:"You like Tool?"
Me: "Yeah."
Him: "Do you know the extent of Tool's genius?"
Me: "I think their drummer is really good. The band itself is pretty solid. So in terms of music theory or whatever, they know their stuff."
Him: "You don't know anything about Tool, therefore you know nothing about yourself." Then walked away.

This kid thought he was being so mysterious and dark, but he was just trying to mimic Tool's behavior (at least what he thught they would behave like). Carey's mysterious personality lends to his image, and personally, I think Tool tries very hard to stay secretive, and be weird (how many lead singers perform off stage a good portion of their show, or do odd dances to thier own music - and I don't mean headbanging). This is the sort of attention Tool probably wants: they want to get so many die-hard fans that eventually, they media will be forced towards them, and when Tool refuses to do interviews or public appearances, they will get more attention. Either that, or to just mess with our heads.

- Marc

brittc89

02-26-2006, 11:39 PM

I'm going to go ahead and vote- insane.
Can I vote that this is all a part of Tools idiom as a crazy band. Their own little weird gimmick. He knows how to drum so well because he went the University of Kansas and studied percussion.

Womble

02-27-2006, 12:12 AM

Danny...applies metaphysics to drumming

Lmao. That must also be a joke.

TopCat

02-27-2006, 12:34 AM

Love tool, just dont read into it too much, regardless of whether it's true or not.

toteman2

02-27-2006, 12:55 AM

While Danny and Tool do love to screw with people. YES Danny is into the occult.

radiofriendlyunitshifter

02-27-2006, 12:59 AM

tool is defininitely a group of incredibly talented musicians. i don't think danny carey is

insane at all. although i don't know him personally, and neither do any of you, so really all

you are given to base your opinion on is what is put out there by tool. i.e. occult stuff blah

blah blah. whether he is into the occult or just likes having a bit of fun with the

unbeknownst media, he is still an insane drummer.

burnthehero

02-27-2006, 01:21 AM

I think Tool is probably the most misunderstood band of all time. They're not crazy. They just have a different outlook on music and a sense of humor that is often misunderstood. I think it's their way of saying that you shouldn't take musicians too seriously.

TOMANO

02-27-2006, 02:12 AM

I find Tool's "madness" and mystery quite engaging. They are excellent musicians and always give their best to their work.

Tool knows how to party.

Bless 'em.

TOMANO

franklinj

02-27-2006, 03:47 AM

You know, when I first saw that quote, I was thinking the same thing. I thought he was crazy. After reading up on tool, however, I think theyre joking. I mean, they have to be joking. It sounds like the picked a whole bunch of big words and put them in a sentence, regardless if it made sense or not. Funny stuff though.

TonKpilS_657

02-27-2006, 03:55 AM

Given Tools very secretive ways and refusal to put Carey on Modern Drummer Festival DVD though raises my suspicions to just how "fun loving" they really are.

so did they just take danny off of the dvd? cause i found the pictures of him from the md fest, be he was no where to be found on the dvd.

helldrummer

02-27-2006, 04:05 AM

tool were my favourite band for ages, and when lateralus came out i couldn't believe my luck because it was - and still is - one of the most fun albums i have ever attempted to learn... the grudge and ticks & leeches would have to be the most challenging songs on the album, and i love the title track.
as far as tool's sense of humor goes, it has never really cracked me up the way a band like primus have... but i guess it is pretty funny how so many people take tool so seriously.
i certainly used to for a while until someone i know said how funny he thought tool were: then it kind of dawned on me

"...The resulting rhythm and gateway summoned a daemon he has contained within "the Lodge" that has been delivering short parables similar to passages within the Book of Lies..."

ha ha.. yeah

i think danny carey is both completely insane and a genius because you would have to be insane to be as creative a player as he is

g00ch

03-09-2006, 09:16 AM

Very amazing drummer, if anyone can scan any articles in modern drummer or anything that would be excellent. Cannot wait for the new album, regardless of everyone freaking out about the title

helldrummer

03-09-2006, 12:27 PM

finnhiggins

03-09-2006, 12:45 PM

what is the title ??

10,000 Days or something of the sort. Who cares about a title? Should be out around the start of May, if we're lucky.

harryconway

03-10-2006, 09:45 AM

Saw Tool at the Long Beach Arena and it was one of the best rock shows I've ever seen. Right up there with Dream Theatre and Liquid Tension. The whole mysticism thing kinda reminds me of Blue Oyster Cult. Tongues planted firmly in cheeks. They are, after all, entertainers also. And sometimes talent alone won't get you to the top (or anywhere close to it). Danny Carey does seem to have quite an interest in the quantum physics/eastern meditational arts. Not a bad thing. Certainly he's one of the best rock drummers out there right now.

toteman2

03-10-2006, 10:02 AM

many don't realise what you have in Danny Carey...A very unique drummer, who will be talked about by (drummers and non drummers) for years and years after he is long gone...I can't wait for the new album.

soldier_side

03-10-2006, 06:53 PM

Very amazing drummer, if anyone can scan any articles in modern drummer or anything that would be excellent. Cannot wait for the new album, regardless of everyone freaking out about the title

He should be in modern drummer in next months issue

"In talking to Danny on Monday night (while he was in Australia), I got the distinct impression that the guys had done a LOT of interviews for the foreign press, which means... lots more album reviews. Also, prior to leaving on the promo tour, I know the band members did interviews/photo shoots for several magazines, including GUITAR WORLD, REVOLVER, and MODERN DRUMMER, so look for those on the news stands in the coming days (April?)."

g00ch

03-11-2006, 03:42 AM

Very cool, looking forward to it

brittc89

03-11-2006, 04:14 AM

Tool is scheduled to release a new album this Spring, or at least thats what Ive heard.

g00ch

03-11-2006, 09:20 AM

May 2nd is the date, I was wondering if anyone has any tom combinations that Carey does transcribed, or could transcribe any, they are really hard to get just by ear, theres not a drum book for tool out or anything is there??

saintjon

04-10-2006, 04:52 PM

I love Danny's Drumming.

I watched the video in that first link, and synced up lateralis on winamp and with the media player volume down. hahah so awesome..

Wormsrock

04-11-2006, 04:38 AM

Danny Carey is an amazing drummer. Definitely one of the best out there right now.

radiofriendlyunitshifter

04-11-2006, 05:33 AM

Tool is scheduled to release a new album this Spring, or at least thats what Ive heard.

10,000 days is the name of the album. doesn't seem very toolesque but hey.

finnhiggins

04-11-2006, 05:36 AM

I believe we're about six days out from the first single off the new album hitting US rock radio. So, keep your ears peeled I suppose...

rendezvous_drummer

04-11-2006, 08:55 AM

i've only recently became interested in tool just because i didn't think much of them at first, until i heard sober which was a few days ago. That song is awesome! Danny Carey is a great drummer and fits the music he plays too very well.

dahnny44

04-13-2006, 10:33 AM

does any one know any drum books he suggest to buy? is any of his stuff tabbed or written out? email me at d0hnnyl3v1n3@yahoo.com. thanx

finnhiggins

04-13-2006, 10:42 AM

does any one know any drum books he suggest to buy? is any of his stuff tabbed or written out? email me at d0hnnyl3v1n3@yahoo.com. thanx

I believe Danny regularly works out of the Wilcoxon book ("The All-American Drummer"). Other than that... There was a transcription of the solo from 46&2 in Modern Drummer some years ago (can't remember the exact issue, sorry!).

intooder

04-13-2006, 04:50 PM

No doubt Danny is very skilled and plays very well for Tool's music, but I'm hearing differring opinions about whether this is their attempt at humor or in fact he/they might actually be taking themselves too seriously. I seem to be more inclined towards the latter especially based on this quote from his bio on DW:

Danny recommends as a device of protection and containment a thorough study and utilization of the underlying geometry of the Temple of Solomon for anyone purchasing their next record.

I'm actually considering perusing over that blueprint when I grab my next cup of joe. Seriously, how much devotion is expected from their followers?

hookedup

04-13-2006, 06:10 PM

If you read their website lately you'll find that they partake in some SERIOUS acid activities.

Might be the explanation some of you are looking for, but then again it might be completely irrelevant.

The Executioner

05-01-2006, 12:05 AM

This guy is simply amazing. His timing and the way he fills the pocket with his groove. He is very precise with his drumming what i mean by that is some drummers you hear it sounds a little ragged around the edges but Danny is very crisp with his accents and stick strokes spaced perfectly. Some drummers sound as if their fills were accidental not that they dont sound good, just not on Danny's level if anyone else gets what im trying to say. But I will admit I find him to be a little odd!!

Gish06

05-01-2006, 04:29 AM

No offense to you guys, because you all seem pretty level-headed since many of you are musicians yourselves, but I can't stand a lot of Tool fans. The example someone posted earlier about how a fan walked away from him because he lacked a certain "understanding" of Tool is ridiculous, yet an important example to be made. Anyone that can simply learn to love a band and their songs already develops their own "understanding". The Tool fanbase scares me. I skimmed through the "Toolnavy" forums a few days ago reading comments being made about their upcoming album, and I've gotta say, it was ridiculous, how seriously they take every little aspect of the band and any little thing related to them.

That being said... Danny Carey himself is extremely talented from a technical standpoint, but it only seems to be when he's in Tool. I've heard some of his work in other music and it just doesn't strike me as being anything nearly as unique. Which does say a lot about the chemistry between the four men in Tool, but I can't say it does much for me when I'm listening to see if I can figure out what all the fuss is about outside of Carey's elite drumming skills.

On the other hand, while his work is outstanding, a lot of Tool songs sound very very similar -- this includes Danny's style. And it gets boring after a while. It's almost as if this guy is geared more towards being a technical drummer over anything else, which has its strengths and weaknesses. I'm not knocking his skills at all, he's one of a kind and there's no debating that.

My favorite drummer from the 90's on is Jimmy Chamberlin. He doesn't sound like Danny Carey, but hey, he sounds like Jimmy Chamberlin, so that's good enough for me. I like Jimmy because he doesn't have to do math problems and study all kinds of obscure things to sound the way that he does -- though he still does invest a lot of time into figuring out many ways to integrate different kinds of jazzy rhythms on top of rock while keeping things fluid. Not to mention, be it the Pumpkins, Zwan, or his own Jimmy Chamberlin Complex, he stays on top of his drumming. Honestly, it's hard to compare Chamberlin and Carey anyway, because they're both so different yet amazing in their own way. Pert, Carey and Chamberlin are among the best out there right now in my opinion.

dragaN-au

05-01-2006, 12:52 PM

Opiate was raw and in your face
Undertow was refined but still rocked out...it was also a little darker
Aenima was revolutionary and it had a killer edge to it
Lateralus was deep and beautiful
Danny gets two huge thumbs up from me :D xoxoxox

finnhiggins

05-01-2006, 01:15 PM

Gish06, great post.

In defence of Danny's non-technical playing, it's worth checking out some of the things he's done which haven't required monster chops. Tool's covers of "No Quarter" and the Peach song "You Lied" are fairly straight-ahead monster rock playing, as was Danny's playing on Green Jello's "Three Little Pigs".

He's a great all-around rock drummer. I just think that in Tool he has to cover a lot of ground to make up for Adam Jones, who is a rather limited guitarist...

russcat

05-01-2006, 03:34 PM

Gish06, great post.

In defence of Danny's non-technical playing, it's worth checking out some of the things he's done which haven't required monster chops. Tool's covers of "No Quarter" and the Peach song "You Lied" are fairly straight-ahead monster rock playing, as was Danny's playing on Green Jello's "Three Little Pigs".

So Danny Carey was in Green Jelly?My friends always told me him and Maynard were both in that band but I never believed them.

finnhiggins

05-01-2006, 11:27 PM

So Danny Carey was in Green Jelly?My friends always told me him and Maynard were both in that band but I never believed them.

Yeah, that's Maynard doing the "Not by the hairs on my chinny-chin-chin!" line.

I believe Adam Jones was involved with costume design or something similar too.

Drummerguydrew

05-07-2006, 10:36 AM

Has anyone given tools new album 10,000 days a listen? Some more great drumming by master Carey. My favorite track so far is #5 "the pot". Love the drum part.

TopCat

05-07-2006, 11:07 AM

He's got a cover and an interview in the latest rhythm. I had no idea he doesnt record to a click.

brittc89

05-07-2006, 08:46 PM

He's got a cover and an interview in the latest rhythm. I had no idea he doesnt record to a click.
I think it would be really hard though to be able to play to a click to a tool song. All the time signature changes and all.

Lefty

05-08-2006, 03:32 AM

Has anyone given tools new album 10,000 days a listen? Some more great drumming by master Carey. My favorite track so far is #5 "the pot". Love the drum part.

Great album from a drums point of view. Danny is always incredible to listen to, but it seems to me Tool are running out of ideas. 10,000 Days sounds way too similar to Lateralus, to the point were it almost sounds like a Lateralus B sides. Too much ambience compared to solid sound. Were they pushed to put it out too soon?
Don't get me wrong. I love the album and Tool are one of my top favourite bands, but I am disappointed by comparison to the last two studio releases. Maybe I had my hopes up too high...

lfdy

05-08-2006, 10:52 AM

I just recently started listening to Tool, and now i really like them.

It's cool how Danny can play pretty simple, non-fancy beats (like in Schism) that sound great. I also really like his use of toms.

I'm gonna listen to 10,000 days later on, i hope it lives up to my expectations...

OogaBooga

05-11-2006, 07:30 PM

I love the drumming on Vicarious.

CadmiuM

05-11-2006, 08:19 PM

New TOOL CD came out a few days ago..

Stayed out till 12:01AM to buy the new CD..
Now that my friends - is devotion.

I couldn't be happier with the CD or Danny Careys drumming..

I love his double bass patterns. :D

lfdy

05-11-2006, 10:35 PM

I think the new cd is really good...

except for a few songs that aren't really songs, more fill ups :s

My favorite songs are Right in two, and Vicarious.

And yeah, Danny's drumming once again is great...

wnnabdrummer

05-13-2006, 09:24 PM

for those wondering (or if you care) what 10,000 days stands for. well divide 10,000 by 365 (days in a year, duh) and you get 27. 27 years represents the time that his mother (Judith Marie) was paralyzed, until she died. she was paralyzed for 27 years. there are 2 very deep songs on there that are very, very good.

overall, i think as someone mentioned earlier, it does resemble that of a lateralus b side feel. i find the songs to be just "okay" not real earth shattering like that of lateralus. listen to "right in two" it does have some very great drum fills by DC. it seems almost that Danny didn't experiment too much on this cd like he did on lateralus. either way, he's better than all of us peons,lol. me anyway.

DrumNut

05-14-2006, 08:24 PM

There is a study on the breakdown of Danny Carey's 5/8 part on Schism here. It is kind of goes into other variations. Anyway, Jeff is funny dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghNcpvqmskY

Colin

05-14-2006, 09:36 PM

I'm sure some of you are aware that Danny drums for another band full time— the Pigmy Love Circus. This is some straight up in-your-face rock n' roll. Danny's drumming on their most recent album, "The Power of Beef" is very aggressive. In recent posts, Danny's potential as a rock drummer has been doubted. I suggest you all check out the Pigmys, and should any of you already know them, you know what I'm talking about. Go here: www.pigmylovecircus.com

As for 10,000 Days, I think it's another great album put out by Tool. Everyone's knocking it off because it's different. Everyone had way too much expectation for this album. Just listen through the whole thing and you'll realize it's another perfectly flowing album by these four musicians. It's beautifully crafted, and each band member experiments with new ideas: Adam with the voicebox, Maynard with his falsetto, Danny with his electronics, and Justin with his ever-complicated bass lines.

itsallfake

05-15-2006, 06:16 AM

Precise and mind-boggling. I think that sums it up. Whoever doubts him is either deaf or jealous. And, BTW, for those who like to focus on sound, I have never heard a live kit sound as good as Danny Carey with Tool; at least not in the "Rock" genre.

Fardunda

05-15-2006, 06:36 AM

for those wondering (or if you care) what 10,000 days stands for. well divide 10,000 by 365 (days in a year, duh) and you get 27. 27 years represents the time that his mother (Judith Marie) was paralyzed, until she died. she was paralyzed for 27 years. there are 2 very deep songs on there that are very, very good.

That's really interesting. I am not too sure whether you are refering to Maynard or Danny however there is an A Perfect Circle song named Judith which I now assume would be about the above situation (among other things..). The song is off Mer De Nom and was the first single in Australia.

TheAnalogKid

05-15-2006, 06:47 AM

toteman2

05-15-2006, 08:20 AM

Well, he's a big Bozzio-ite; as am I.

He's one of my favorite metal drummers. Everything this guy does is solid. Love Tool, and I would love to see him do a side-project with other talented musicians.

I've only heard a few songs but I really like what I hear...They were at the MD Fest this year.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=19805851

Smoky_McPot

05-16-2006, 03:04 AM

I think 10,000 Days is a brilliant album. At first listen I was not sure whether it could compete with Lateralus and Aenema but upon further listens it is apparent that 5 years of work did go into the album, and Ill be unravelling parts of it for the next 5 years. Jambi is a highlight for me - the polyrhythms on this album are very subtle imo - but are still very layered and definately Tool. I love it!

altered_beast

05-16-2006, 04:31 PM

Does anyone know much about the electronics that he's using? It lists them in the Rhythm magazine article but I'm not too clear, since I know he used to use the Simmons (pads at least) gear, but I read on his website and various other places on the net that he was developing some new pads and gear. I read in the Rhythm article that he's using a Mac G5 for samples... what about the new pads? and brain? or is the G5 acting as a brain?

The guy's a total genius when it comes to his drumming, it really baffles me, but learning his songs has been a big step in both my own playing and my own writing, it's helped me no end. I play in a band playing what can only be described as "euro-metal" (think Arkangel/ early Caliban/ Heaven Shall Burn) but I really want this band to stand out so I'm trying to incorporate strange time sigs and rhythms and beats etc... I think it could work. I just want it to be something different and so far Danny Carey, besides Mike Portnoy (I'm not that big a fan of Dream Theater, the vocals put me off), has been the biggest influence on my playing. Fantastic!!

And, regarding 10,000 Days, I think it'll be a grower. It took me nearly 3 years to fully appreciate Lateralus, because I was still reeling from how good Aenima was when I got into that (admittedly, it wasn't until 1999 that I first got into Tool), now I fully appreciate Lateralus and I still pick it up and listen to Parabola or Ticks and Leeches or the title track, now I'll go through a similar process with 10,000 Days. There's obviously the really instant songs, like Vicarious, Jambi, The Pot, but I think it'll take a while to get into, say, Wings (Parts 1 and 2 together) and Rosetta Stoned and properly love them. Probably won't really get them until the next Tool record comes out.

chathamight

05-18-2006, 02:24 PM

There's a link on the toolband about a crazy pad that he helped develop...
http://synesthesiacorp.com/home.html
...i'm guessing it's showcased in "Intension", what with all the crazy samples in that song... Great friggin' album tho! Blew me away, just like the others...

duke99

05-19-2006, 05:08 PM

The fill in the beginning, is that a specific rudiment done fast, or just accented single stroke?

balboa

05-19-2006, 06:02 PM

very good drumming indeed. nice solid playing

Zildjian232

05-19-2006, 09:13 PM

when i listen to tool, i feel like a worse drummer everytime

altered_beast

05-19-2006, 10:26 PM

The fill in the beginning, is that a specific rudiment done fast, or just accented single stroke?

in the beginning of what?

altered_beast

05-19-2006, 10:31 PM

The fill in the beginning, is that a specific rudiment done fast, or just accented single stroke?

in the beginning of what?

T-1000

05-21-2006, 01:10 AM

Finns, I doubt that Adam Jones is a limited guitarist; shredding simply wouldn't sound overly great over tool's dark, tribal grooves. He's conservative, not limited. Live, he even plays the palm muted intro of 'the patient' on top of the keyboard effects bit, which he does with his foot. Hmmm...not only drummers can have independance...

Yeah, the new tool album is a bit rubbish really. I don't hate it because it's different, I hate it because it's THE SAME. Don't use the 'oh, it'll grow on you line', because, lets face it, that's a cop out, isn't it. I liked Lateralus immdiately, I dislike this immediately. If I say to you, do you like the latest fall out boy tune, and you say no, I'm not exactly going to reply: it'll grow on you. Because no-one gives pop music a second chance, therefore, it has to be extremely good to make a first impression. Tool, have cleverly fooled people into giving their music a second chance by way of their 'cult' following, but, if you think about it; why should we?

Music does not grow on you - go by your initial reaction.

10000 days features non-addictive rhythms, uninspired vocals, and especially pathetic winding, ambiant 'progressive' 'epics.' I'm sorry that Maynard's mother died, but, really, the only reason you'd listen to that toot would be out of sympathy.

I used to really like tool, but their sound is becoming tired fast. Not even Danny can save them.

finnhiggins

05-21-2006, 04:05 AM

lfdy

05-21-2006, 12:09 PM

No, I think he's pretty limited. Having seen him live three times I've seen copious mistakes and technical errors. He's not like, say, Tom Morello where you can see that he has great chops underneath all the weird noises and you know that he could bust out a whole heap of stuff outside of his personal style. Adam just appears to be a pretty seriously limited guitarist across the board. If you're a serious guitarist you can learn to do most of what he does in a convincing manner in 1.5-3 years.

But you can't just judge him on what he plays in Tool. He just plays what the music ask for, so...

But i haven't seen any of his outside-of-Tool work, so i can't judge him.

Smoky_McPot

05-21-2006, 01:13 PM

Yeah, the new tool album is a bit rubbish really. I don't hate it because it's different, I hate it because it's THE SAME. Don't use the 'oh, it'll grow on you line', because, lets face it, that's a cop out, isn't it.

I dont think 10,000 Days sounds the same as any other Tool record. What songs on 10,000 Days are similar to others? Also what is wrong with the "it'll grow on you" line? I wouldn't ask anyone but a Tool fan to listen to it a few times before making a final decision - and you said in your post that you used to like Tool quite a bit.

Music does not grow on you - go by your initial reaction.

Alot of songs have grown on me - that is a pretty ridiculous statement, because it is subjective of a person's music listening habits.

10000 days features non-addictive rhythms, uninspired vocals, and especially pathetic winding, ambiant 'progressive' 'epics.' I'm sorry that Maynard's mother died, but, really, the only reason you'd listen to that toot would be out of sympathy.

The only reason I'd listen to Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days is because I think they are great songs. Your assesment of the rhythms, vocals and "pathetic windin, ambiant 'progressive' 'epics.'" is completely subjective.

Ok - we get it - your dissapointed with this release - thats fine. Alot of people are happy with it obviously, so maybe you should be a bit more careful with your choice of words. Apart from that, seriously if you think the songs are similar to thier old stuff, tell us your opinion so we can see. So we can discuss - and not just bash.

finnhiggins

05-21-2006, 01:33 PM

Ok - we get it - your dissapointed with this release - thats fine. Alot of people are happy with it obviously, so maybe you should be a bit more careful with your choice of words. Apart from that, seriously if you think the songs are similar to thier old stuff, tell us your opinion so we can see. So we can discuss - and not just bash.

Well, just for a start Rosetta Stoned is about 30% Third Eye and H from Aenima, and Right In Two has some serious 46&2 lifts towards the end.

lfdy

05-21-2006, 01:46 PM

Well, just for a start Rosetta Stoned is about 30% Third Eye and H from Aenima, and Right In Two has some serious 46&2 lifts towards the end.

Is that your explanation...that some songs resemble each other :s...

lots of bands re-use certain concepts/structures of good songs, and apply them in new songs. As long as the songs have a different feel to them, what's the problem?

IMO, 10,000 days is very different from lateralus. It has a lot more atmosphere, and building up, to it.

Smoky_McPot

05-21-2006, 02:31 PM

Well, just for a start Rosetta Stoned is about 30% Third Eye and H from Aenima, and Right In Two has some serious 46&2 lifts towards the end.

I reckon Right in Two is a great song - I love the progression from around 6.30 - 7.10. I cant really hear the likeness to 46&2. I agree with you about Rosetta Stoned. I think the album as a whole has a heavier and darker feel than Lateralus and Aenima. In any case - the drums on the album are superb. Danny's co-ordination and power never cease to amaze me. I'm looking forward to covering some of the new songs... I think arguably The Pot is one of the easier to play on drums. Could take me awhile tho hehe.

finnhiggins

05-21-2006, 02:38 PM

Is that your explanation...that some songs resemble each other :s...

lots of bands re-use certain concepts/structures of good songs, and apply them in new songs. As long as the songs have a different feel to them, what's the problem?

IMO, 10,000 days is very different from lateralus. It has a lot more atmosphere, and building up, to it.

I'll buy the "It's a reworking in a different context" card if you're talking about Zappa, Miles Davis or John Coltrane - the kind of people who release records at a rate of 3-4 a year. If you're talking about a band that is lucky to squeeze out two albums a decade which each typically have less than an hour of actual music (which seems to average something like what... twelve minutes of music per year?) I'd reckon I'm less inclined to forgive them writing an eleven minute song which has four minutes of recycled riffs on it.

As for "Right in two"... head in to around 6:30 and tell me you're not hearing 46&2, go on...

T-1000

05-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Yeah, 'the pot' uses the same chord sequence (in the same rhythm) as 'lateralus' (the song), 'vicarious' sounds a complete rip-off of 'schism' for much of it and then goes into an odd time signature break (5/4) that just sounds really forced into 5/4, just to make it 'prog' - which is plain pretentious.

'Jambi' is awesome.

Then what do we have? A couple of 'parabol' style drones, with no 'parabola' to make them worth listening to.

A five year wait, and the product is still lazy and rushed. My friend even thought it was a joke album - the real one would blow everyone away.

The Tool 'well' is running dry very fast; Maynard and co. now have no reason to be so completely up themselves.

CarterB_Junkie

05-21-2006, 06:34 PM

altered_beast

05-22-2006, 12:40 AM

The new album is absolutely incredible !

Godd Night Mate !

Agreed.

And to say about them being poor on the prouctivity rate... they toured Lateralus for two years, once the touring was done Maynard worked with APC, Danny worked with Pygmy Love Circus, Adam worked with the Melvins and I'm not sure what Justin Chancellor did...

If they'd just come off touring and not done anything for the following two years I could understand what you're saying. But I can't, cos you're wrong on that. It took them a year to write these songs according to Danny in his interview in the latest Rhythm magazine, so that'd leave them two years whereby they were all busy with other projects.

I'm not seeing the resemblance between Schism and Vicarious here either, other than Vicarious is the first single off the album as Schism was and has a bass roll at the end, the style of the music is completely different, where Schism felt moody Vicarious just... doesn't... perhaps I'm just not that observant?, and this "forced" 5/4 beat... what?! just to be pretentious? what exactly sounds forced about it?! It just sounds like a break down to me. I like it, in fact it was one of the first things I noticed about the song.

I'd agree about Adam Jones being limited, it's laughable at times... lots of bar chords and away we go... not even proper bar chords either, it's all drop D lol. Though I do still love Tool. A lot. I paid £70 to go see em at Download. I didn't even really want to go, but I couldn't get tickets for either of the London gigs.

One last thing, whoever it was said music doesn't grow on you... bull. Music does grow on you, but to an extent I agree, you need a reason to come back to it. A good example of this could be, say, "El Diablo" by Will Haven - I bought it when I saw them because I know and love "I've Seen My Fate". The rest of the album wasn't as instant for me. I now love it because I've listened to it a few times, purely to listen to "I've Seen My Fate" - as a result of listening to it several times, I now love it, hence it has grown on me.

finnhiggins

05-22-2006, 01:00 AM

Agreed.

And to say about them being poor on the prouctivity rate... they toured Lateralus for two years, once the touring was done Maynard worked with APC, Danny worked with Pygmy Love Circus, Adam worked with the Melvins and I'm not sure what Justin Chancellor did...

If they'd just come off touring and not done anything for the following two years I could understand what you're saying. But I can't, cos you're wrong on that. It took them a year to write these songs according to Danny in his interview in the latest Rhythm magazine, so that'd leave them two years whereby they were all busy with other projects.

Right, but again we're going to have to contrast this with other bands out there. Let's look at Zappa - he managed to tour along with writing and arranging for considerably larger bands than Tool. And a lot of what he wrote was considerably more technically dense and layered. But in any given year he probably released about as much material as Tool produce in a decade, if not more.

Or there's Mr Bungle. Like Tool they pretty much only put an album out every four or five years during their lifetime as a band, and they always had to share Mike Patton with (the much bigger label priority) Faith No More. Other members had other gigs with John Zorn and others too. But each of their three albums was considerably more unique, varied and dense than this latest Tool album.

Two things to keep in mind:

* Coming off the back of Lateralus there were various interviews with Adam where he claimed they had another whole album worth of material they hadn't released on Lateralus which was written during the writing process for that album.

* The riff for 10,000 Days / Wings For Marie was being played regularly during the tours in 2002 between songs.

... so crediting them with writing the entire album in a year is maybe a bit wrong, considering that the primary musical material that makes up one 17-minute two-part song dates back to at least 2002.

T-1000

05-22-2006, 01:00 AM

toteman2

05-22-2006, 01:38 AM

Music does not grow on you - go by your initial reaction.

Perhpas this is how things work for you...I remember the first time I listened to Aenima, I didn't really like it at all...Then after a few more chances it grew on me enought to consider it one of the greatest prog rock albums ever made. There have been plenty of albums that have had the same effect for me.

altered_beast

05-22-2006, 11:33 PM

If you have a reason to come back to the music, it means something stood out at you initially, therefore you did like the music at first.

And also, just listen to the Vicarious breakdown. There's the duhduhduhduh duh duhduh (to the rhythm of 'why don't we just admit it?'). Adam probably said: 'now that's pretty cool - but wait! It's in 4/4!? Oh heavens, because we like to think we're cleverer than all other rock bands, we'll add an extra 'duhduh' onto that phrase so it's now in 5/4, so it must be really deep and insightful.' Even though it sounds totally tacked on.

I never listen to the lyrics of any songs, because I like music, not poetry, but my friend and fellow band member tells me they embody pretentiousness. Besides, I'll never aquire the intelligence nesseccary to decipher Maynard 'Genius' Keenan's lyrics (I can't even spell 'nesseccary').

I disagree with everything you just said apart from the bit about liking something. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. While I don't think the music Tool produce is sheer genius, I do enjoy the odd timings without it being too OTT to not enjoy. Wings Parts 1 and 2, IMHO, are superb. But they're not to your tastes, cool, whatever. I agree, Maynard is not a genius, but I do like his lyrics, I don't try to decipher them, I just sing along in the car or whatever or have a phrase which might stick in my head. This is normally the reason why I return to a song as it "grows" on me. I didn't actually like Wings 1 and 2 to start with, it grew on me as a result of liking the build up and the "give me my wings" line in the middle. I can't understand how his lyrics "embody pretentiousness" since at no point does he state how superior he or his band are to anyone else in this world. I've read stuff where he has come across as arrogant though, I'll give you that.

altered_beast

05-22-2006, 11:45 PM

Right, but again we're going to have to contrast this with other bands out there. Let's look at Zappa - he managed to tour along with writing and arranging for considerably larger bands than Tool. And a lot of what he wrote was considerably more technically dense and layered. But in any given year he probably released about as much material as Tool produce in a decade, if not more.

Or there's Mr Bungle. Like Tool they pretty much only put an album out every four or five years during their lifetime as a band, and they always had to share Mike Patton with (the much bigger label priority) Faith No More. Other members had other gigs with John Zorn and others too. But each of their three albums was considerably more unique, varied and dense than this latest Tool album.

Two things to keep in mind:

* Coming off the back of Lateralus there were various interviews with Adam where he claimed they had another whole album worth of material they hadn't released on Lateralus which was written during the writing process for that album.

* The riff for 10,000 Days / Wings For Marie was being played regularly during the tours in 2002 between songs.

... so crediting them with writing the entire album in a year is maybe a bit wrong, considering that the primary musical material that makes up one 17-minute two-part song dates back to at least 2002.

Fair play on the having written the album in a year, I was only quoting what I read in Danny's Rhythm interview, though playing riffs and writing songs are two different things as I'm sure you know... and I think I read that the "whole album worth of material" was near enough ditched, I'm pretty sure I read that all of this stuff was new and the Lateralus "leftovers" were canned, though I could be completely wrong on that.

I read some stuff on the Toolarmy messageboards (yes, admittedly, I am a paid up member, though I would never profess Tool to be the best thing since sliced bread, I just enjoy the music) about Tool simply doing what they do for their own enjoyment. Perhaps it's for this reason that they haven't released this album for such a long time? Perhaps they wanted to work on it to get it a level they were happy with? I have no idea, I'm not defending the wait from album to album, just trying to justify.

To be honest I'm not really old enough to appreciate Tool from before they were seen as a pretentious prog rock band (as I've stated somewhere else I only got into them properly in about 1999, when I was still at school, at the time I think Maynard flat out refused to be interviewed and had just come across as moody, rather than arrogant) so have only really enjoyed the release of Lateralus and their latest, and I wasn't eagerly awaiting the release of the newest Tool, since my musical taste has been elsewhere since the release of Lateralus. That's what I like about Tool, actually. The fact I'm still interested enough after five years to listen to their new stuff, having been into a lot of pop punk and metal in the last few years (when I say metal I mean straightforward 4/4 euro-metal - Arkangel/ Heaven Shall Burn et al), I'm not really into prog, I'm only really just getting into it as part of an interest in developing my drumming.

Oh and I think saying that Mr. Bungle's albums were "unique, varied and dense" is a matter of perspective - personally I really don't enjoy Mr. Bungle... unique, yes, but not in a good way. I don't really see how Tool isn't unique, they don't sound like many other bands... do they?!

I'm gonna have to re-visit that thing about the breakdown in Vicarious (apologies Finn, I know it wasn't you that raised this, but it's bugged me) I just don't see how it's forced or "tacked on" or anything else... it sounds completely natural to me?! Again, I guess this is totally a matter of perspective, but that fifth beat sounds... well... right, somehow. I wouldn't sound right in 4/4, it wouldn't fit the song. I dunno.

Gah.... long post!

Josh is a cult

05-24-2006, 03:27 AM

honestly beast man, i only read the vary last thing you wrote about the breakdown in Vicarious and your right, it would sound bad if it was in 4/4..i like how it is, very natural for tool.

finnhiggins

05-24-2006, 04:11 AM

Oh and I think saying that Mr. Bungle's albums were "unique, varied and dense" is a matter of perspective - personally I really don't enjoy Mr. Bungle... unique, yes, but not in a good way. I don't really see how Tool isn't unique, they don't sound like many other bands... do they?!

Sorry about not replying to the rest, but I'm in a hurry - going out in a second.

When I said that their albums were unique, varied and dense I think that's all pretty hard to dispute - whether you like them is another matter. But just to clarify, "unique" and "varied" in this context is basically talking about their position inside the canon of work the band has produced. In the case of Mr Bungle you can immediately identify which album a song is from just based on a cursory listen - there's no mistaking the self-titled album for Disco Volante (the latter is considerably more avant-garde and makes virtually no pretense at having any "normal" sections of pop songwriting) and likewise there's no mistaking either of them for California - while the first album sounds like very stupid early 90s funk-metal and Disco Volante sounds like John Zorn, California sounds like 60s pop music.

Tool, on the other hand, have made three albums in a row that are nearly interchangeable in terms of musical content, and only variable in terms of production expense and songwriting quality - which have been increasing and decreasing respectively over the last decade, IMHO. I just can't find much to like about this album because everything that I hear on it has already been done, and done better.

altered_beast

05-24-2006, 01:11 PM

I just can't find much to like about this album because everything that I hear on it has already been done, and done better.

by whom? I'd like to hear that. I'm not saying Tool is the best, but they're certainly different to a lot of what is around at the moment. OK I'll agree about the interchangeable thing, but does that make them bad musicians? OK so it's not a completely different sound from one album to the next, but how many artists do have a different sound from one album to the next? Not many that I know of.

Like I said, I think this is going to be a case of agree to disagree. Personally I really like 10,000 Days, and I absolutely love Lateralus and Aenima, particularly Disposition/ Reflection/ Triad from Lateralus as well as the title track, Parabola... hell... all of it's good.

I think at the end of the day this whole argument falls down to personal tastes and the way peoples tastes change over the years. I'm not going to sit here and tell you Mr. Bungle were crap, that's my personal opinion which is clearly different to yours, I just never liked Mike Patton's work (though to be fair I've not heard mcuh Fantomas). As far as being pretentious goes... I don't understand how music can be pretentious. I can understand the musicians being pretentious, but the music itself? The lyrics? IMO lyrics are written to fit music, and are inspired by something, like an event, and are written about as the writer sees and feels fit. If the implication were there that Maynard or Tool were so far superior to everything else ever then I could maybe understand, I just don't get how changing the time sig in a song could possibly be pretentious or writing songs about your mother being paralised for 27 years or having a segue on your album about someone who lived with you claiming to be a "friend of a friend" and it transpired they knew none of your friends etc etc can possibly be pretentious... perhaps I'm not seeing the wood for the trees?! If Tool had just released Lateralus and released 10,000 Days in 5 years when I'm 26 perhaps I wouldn't like 10,000 Days as much as I do right now? It just seems to fit into my world pretty well at the moment, and musically has inspired me to start working a bit more progressively and push the boundaries of what my band can do and will do. So in that respect I'm totally thankful to Tool. Can't wait to see em at Download either.

Edwardo

05-28-2006, 10:01 PM

i know a million people of already posted this, but out of respect to this bloke i'll say it again! this guy is what makes me wanna drum! i personally think he is the best drummer around at the moment...

batmike

05-29-2006, 02:09 AM

carey is one of these drummers that are make me love playing and working drums ! amazing ideas.. Love TOOL ! :-)

nadslaing

05-29-2006, 12:21 PM

finnhiggins

05-29-2006, 01:34 PM

I personally think Maynard is a genius. If not, he is definately the best vocalist out there. I don't get why some people don't like him? My friend pointed out to me (and upon doing research, I'll confirm it) that in Lateralus Maynard is using the fibonnacci (sorry bout the spelling) sequence when singing. Now if this isn't a work of a genius, what the hell is?!

I hate to say this, but Mudvayne are also pretty big into the whole "using allegedly occult number sequences to write rhythms" thing too. Sure, they ripped it off Tool. But you don't exactly have to be a genius to do it....

And I wouldn't rate him as the best vocalist out there either. I've seen some live videos where he's missing notes quite seriously, and he has a very limited style. But I do like him a lot, he's certainly been one of my favourites historically. I just don't rate either the new Tool album or the last Perfect Circle one, nothing like his best work on either of them.

altered_beast

05-29-2006, 06:47 PM

I'll agree with you on the last APC one (though I did love Passive) and the latest Tool album is wearing a bit thin already. Mind you I've not listened to it much lately, I keep listening to Lateralus in some attempt to understand how Danny Carey does that thing in the middle with the hi hats/ bass drum. I just don't have the co-ordination yet to do it, but my teacher just gave me some stuff to practice...

altered_beast

06-08-2006, 02:21 PM

I'll be seeing him play tomorrow... can't wait. It's gonna be awesome...

altered_beast

06-10-2006, 03:01 PM

He simply is incredible. They songs they played were absolutely note perfect, he was simply amazing to watch, even if I was stood absolutely miles from the stage... Absolutely fantastic. Next time I hear of Tool touring the UK I'm going to get tickets for one of their headlining shows rather than a festival so I can experience it properly. Truly stunning!

funkblaster

06-15-2006, 11:41 PM

I don't understand why everyone is getting into the nuances of whether or not they really like tool, Maynard and whatever else. What i can say is, i hated Tool when i first listened to them, but the first thing i noticed as they grew on me was just how amazing the drumming was! I just cannot fault Carey, I really can't, he's amazing. And after having the honour of seeing him live just last week i am even more in awe, he's so silky smooth, hits hard like some kind of demon when need be, delivers complex, challenging rhythms, injects personality....What more can you ask for? :)

Bonzo_88

06-18-2006, 10:57 PM

altered_beast

06-21-2006, 02:15 PM

I think I'm going through my "Danny Carey influenced" stage right now... I absolutely love his playing, the way he mixes his beats up and stuff, like putting snare beats where I wouldn't expect them... I'm still learning an awful lot about drumming even now, and I abolsutely love what DC is doing... I'll follow Tool for a long long time, simply for his drumming.

Beat Spector

06-21-2006, 03:28 PM

T-1000 i gotta disagree.
Maynard not a genious? I donno. But c'mon man, he's a truckload brighter than those (insert word that refers to feces :-) ) of blink182. He sings about a lot more than/a lot more to say than 'i love you' 'why did you leave me?', "look how long my d**** is" " in da club this, in da club that", "chicks with big boobs", or endless yapping about californication (yes, thát group) and blablabla...
he actually thinks about his lyrics. Makes you think. IF you want to hear it of course. Cuz I can explain all you want, but if you don't do the effort actually taking your time to read and think about them..then you what the hell. (if don't say you HAVE to read them, just don't say Maynard is not a genius if you even can't bring it up to look at his work and not compare it to others, wich is - i understand from your posts) exactly what you're doing.

and the almost constantly out of 4/4 play. It's what they do.
So??
Hell, I don't hear anyone complain about Dave Brubeck & Joe Morello??
Does anyone here blame Art Blakey for play so immensly brilliant? Or do you guess he's just trying to be elite? No don't think so.
And i haven't even mentioned any free jazz artist.
Are you gonna critisize everyone that plays not so evident music?

Tool playing the way they do is...what they do....and I think it's far better (yes, also higher) quality than a Avril Lavinge (or whatever 'mainstream' song.)

Besides: Anima is far better than Lateralus. But that's just my taste. 10.000 days is ok...more than ok If you ask me: it's one of the best new things I heard in the last year.
And making albums AFTER you did things like Anima and Lateralus is NOT easy i think...the succes becomes a burden for you upcoming productions.

And another point: i can't believe this discussion about how long it takes to make another Tool album. When they're busy with other stuff, well, then they are busy with other stuff.
USA is a free country isn't it? Well, can't they decide to play in other bands for a while? to lay it down for some time?
Since when do they constantly HAVE to be in production? Hell, they make music for the love of music (thank god that's brilliant) and not to please audience.

And just like Altered Beast i'm very influenced by Danny. I simply love his play and wish my style was the same as his. It's not that average every day play and I love that.
I love it even more cuz i really don't think they do it on purpose: It's in just them. It makes them differend. And difference; that's good.

nadslaing

06-21-2006, 05:48 PM

I hate to say this, but Mudvayne are also pretty big into the whole "using allegedly occult number sequences to write rhythms" thing too. Sure, they ripped it off Tool. But you don't exactly have to be a genius to do it....

And I wouldn't rate him as the best vocalist out there either. I've seen some live videos where he's missing notes quite seriously, and he has a very limited style. But I do like him a lot, he's certainly been one of my favourites historically. I just don't rate either the new Tool album or the last Perfect Circle one, nothing like his best work on either of them.

Well I'll agree with you on A Perfect Circles' last album. That was a hell of a disappointment. The exception being (of course) Passive. It was such a shame after two great albums. They ruined 'Pet' with that crappy "Count bedies..." song. That was hard to listen to.
As for Maynard live, I've never seen him live, but hopefully will soon.

brittc89

06-21-2006, 07:20 PM

Well I'll agree with you on A Perfect Circles' last album. That was a hell of a disappointment. The exception being (of course) Passive. It was such a shame after two great albums. They ruined 'Pet' with that crappy "Count bedies..." song. That was hard to listen to.
As for Maynard live, I've never seen him live, but hopefully will soon.
Man, if you didnt like that album, then you had NO IDEA what it was all about. I really did not enjoy it at first, but man, now that Ive listened more, its got some really good stuff in my opinion. I love the cover of Marvin Gaye's What's Goin On. Nearly all the songs on there are covers of songs written about peace.

altered_beast

06-21-2006, 08:08 PM

brittc89

06-21-2006, 08:24 PM

Some of APC's last album was great (Passive, Imagine, Peace, Love and Understanding) some was ok (People are People... a couple others I can't remember right now) and some of it really wasn't so great (Counting Bodies...)
You didnt like counting bodies like sheep? Im pretty sure it was just a remix of Pet from the 13th step. I thought it was a pretty interesting take on it.

Anchein Vouivra

06-24-2006, 05:48 PM

I was expecting a lot about Tool's new release, but surprisingly even after many daily listening it didn't catch me at all like any of their previous. I felt like they've lost a little bit of their uniqueness and their musical identity. It's very much more heavy music oriented than their previous albums. They give up some powerful riff, but on CD these rocking song didn't do it for me. But live, they sounded awesome and it really moved me (and they were pretty refreshing after standing and waiting during hours, enduring Korn or Dir En Grey). Anyway seeing Tool live is a real experience, hearing and seing Danny Carey playing his heavenly sounding drums and polyrythms makes you realise that the guy is the real generator of the band. They've ended the show by my favourite drug, Aenima.........there's something so dark about this song I just can't get enough of it. And Maynard says some pretty funny things and is a great showman. These guys are real musicians and I don't believe they are these kind of satanistic artist that they want to make us believe they are. But there must have been some DMT, a bit of new-age and scientific interest around them, anyway who cares their music is great.

stevefty

06-25-2006, 09:37 PM

Even though he states his double bass playing is a week point of his playing he still is very creative and good at it. I'm not a huge fan of doulbe bass but he is one of the few I really enjoy listening to.

Vic_Rattledeth

06-25-2006, 09:55 PM

I enjoy Dannys playing and I think hes a good drummer, but I absolutely hate tool with a passion. Not once have they impressed me a single bit, it's just...boring.

altered_beast

06-26-2006, 10:37 PM

You didnt like counting bodies like sheep? Im pretty sure it was just a remix of Pet from the 13th step. I thought it was a pretty interesting take on it.

It was just a remix, it was done by Danny Lohner. I just didn't like it... the whole kind of industrial vibe... it just didn't seem to work for me. I like the dark sounding side of APC (like Magdalena, Rose, even The Noose) but "Counting Bodies..." was a bit... mediocre I thought, in comparison with "Pet"

y0avz

06-29-2006, 10:09 AM

Did someone noticed how huge he is? I knew he is big, but after a tool show I saw he lookes even bigger.... I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley...

Josh is a cult

07-01-2006, 10:13 AM

Danny Carey is defiantely into some drugs.
and it shows in the music/artwork.
I am a huge tool fan.
and i think that its obvious some of the things he dose...

Pedey

07-01-2006, 10:39 AM

That dosn't mean he's definatly on drugs, just a bit out there, people often think i'm on drugs from my artworka nd such yet i'm clean.

nealwd13

07-02-2006, 11:05 AM

Danny Carey is defiantely into some drugs.
and it shows in the music/artwork.
I am a huge tool fan.
and i think that its obvious some of the things he dose...

I read somewhere that he is a fairly frequent user of DMT (stronger than LCD)....
I don't care aslong as he keeps up his creative and inspirtational drumming, i dont care what he does....

nd,

Bonzo_88

07-02-2006, 05:44 PM

All of the Tool-related websites are like that. The Toolband.com one just has some guy called Blair ranting about ritual magic and his latest curry recipe for weeks at a time. But that said, about half of what they come out with does appear to be total bulls*** - go back to the Aenima interview circuit and read all the Adam Jones ones where he claims to have used some bizarre lady shaving device instead of an e-bow. Then go listen to the song, note that it sounds just like an e-bow. Then go look at the example song list provided when you buy an e-bow and notice that... hell... that song is on there!

Then also go read the thousands of man-hours of fans trying to find that very lady shaving device, with no success.

Then imagine Adam Jones laughing his head off...

Works for me.

when he recorded the song he used the shaving device, but has since switched to the e-bow for practical purporses, remember aenima was 1996, im not even sure ebows were around then (but i could be wrong bout that).

Breadmonkey

07-21-2006, 03:28 AM

i've used the search function and read through this thread so apologies if i've overlooked anywhere the info i'm looking for might be.

Is there anywhere I can find more info on the paiste kit Danny Carey uses. How it was built, more specs, just more info. I'm really intrigued by it but can;t seem to find any reasonable amount of info on it.

thanks in advance

altered_beast

07-24-2006, 01:58 PM

You could try mailing Jeff Ocheltree - go to www.drumtree.com - there's a little bit off info about the "Spirit of 2002" snares on there which Danny is still using. Not sure about the rest of the kit mind, but I think it was a Jeff Ocheltree creation.

audiophile

07-31-2006, 03:53 AM

I agree with pretty much everything all of you have said. He a genuis behind the kit. The thing I like most about him is that he does not use a "traditional" drum beat on any of his songs. Everything that he does is some off beat or reverse lead.
He is also a genuis out of the kit. He helped develope the electronic pads that are incorperated in his kit.

altered_beast

08-01-2006, 12:45 PM

One of the things I like most about D.C. is the way he tends to play more around his toms and be a bit more conservative with his cymbals. I read in an interview that he thinks that cymbals tend to eat up the high end so he prefers to play more around the toms. It's something I've been thinking about and trying to incorporate into my playing but it's pretty difficult with the type of metal my band plays.

neilpscuz

08-01-2006, 06:09 PM

Love the playin.... hate the mystical numerical mumbo jumbo poop ! Whatever !

cardan

08-05-2006, 05:38 AM

To 'nielpscuz', what numerology?...

Anyways, if you like Danny Carey and have researched him a little, you've probably seen these video's, but if you haven't, here are some short clips of him playing live, with Tool (sometime on the 2001-2002 tour). http://dannycarey.org/cyberclinic.html ... If you listen to the the most recent half of Tool's albums, you know these clips are displaying a good mediocrity of his common playing...

jarhat

08-10-2006, 11:43 PM

If you go to his main site ( http://www.dannycarey.org/page2.html ) Technology>Present, what is that roll he does on his snare? Just an accented single roll?

mikei

08-11-2006, 12:20 AM

I am not too familiar with him.

I just checked out his website. He seems kind of out there. Pretty weird. I guess because he can play the drums well he is taken more seriously than he would otherwise.

I don't get it.

Auger

08-11-2006, 01:21 AM

If you go to his main site ( http://www.dannycarey.org/page2.html ) Technology>Present, what is that roll he does on his snare? Just an accented single roll?

That's a double stroke roll -at least to my ears- with the accents as single strokes.

Something like:

R llrrllrrll R llrrll R llrrll R L

That's probably not exactly it, but you can hopefully get the idea.

Josh is a cult

08-18-2006, 06:12 PM

That's awsome! I can't wait.

Jammin' Jamin

08-27-2006, 09:46 AM

In the bio of Danny Carey on this site, it says "Despite not becoming a Mason.." in the first paragraph. Strangely Enough, in the picture above that Danny Carey is playing his two little hand drums on top of what is The All Seeing Eye, which is an important Masonic symbol.

I'll shut up now, I'm not making sense to anyone.

cardan

08-27-2006, 10:19 PM

The design on the ground is actually the "Eye of Horus"-
http://www.ancient-egypt-online.com/images/the-eye-of-horus.jpg,
you can search on what it represents. The "All Seeing Eye" however is this-
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/12/all_seeing_eye.gif

ndrummerc

08-28-2006, 12:27 AM

amazing, i put him in the secoond highest level(Peart, Paice, Bill Ward an Danny). highest is Bonham an Mitchell. ticks and Leeches blows my mind everytime, 46 an 2, everything man.

J.W. Drummer

08-28-2006, 02:14 AM

Danny Carey, can his drumming style be pin-pointed? Can you really fit it into a genre? His drumming seems to change every album that Tool releases. By the way... WHERE IS THE LIVE DVD TOOL PROMISED US? ;-)

cardan

08-30-2006, 06:39 AM

IMHO, I think there are better drummer's than D.C., but all are mostly "solo" drummer's (I'm sure you know which one's), but for playing in a musical group, I definetly put Carey high in the top 3 of my list. Danny Carey undoubtedly has a discernable playing style, but his approach on every album differs...Anyone heard his work in Pigmy Love Circus or Volto? D.C. played and recorded with Pigmy Love Circus before he even met any of the Tool guys (here's the link to the Amazon page of PLC's second studio album 'The Power of Beef' http://www.amazon.com/-Power-Beef/dp/B00025ETLY/sr=8-1/qid=1156908285/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8868880-5720754?ie=UTF8 ). Volto has never released an official CD recording, they are mostly a live band that played a lot in southern California, the best place to hear their music is at their myspace page... www.myspace.com/volto ... I think the stuff on 'Power of Beef' is really cool, much more straight-ahead than Tool, and D.C. is a total 'powerhouse' on all of it, and with Volto, D.C. gets to show of his more fusion/blues/jazz/pocket playing. Of course, since D.C. is now touring in Tool, Volto and PLC are currently defunct (probably till the whole Tool tour extravaganza is over in a year or so). Though there could be some sporatic appearances of either between dates in the Tool tour.
Bids

Edit: I know they did confirm a live DVD release sometime in the future, but we will just have to wait. Don't know if they would work on it and release it during touring, or wait until they're completely done with touring...

cardan

08-31-2006, 08:40 AM

This post is directed to 'Jammin' Jamin'... Here's a video on YouTube I found, I put it on here because of the things Danny talks about briefly... http://youtube.com/watch?v=5BefyptbjMw ...
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drums_4_sanity

08-31-2006, 08:45 PM

danny is absoultely amazing, my favorite drummer, he commands the kit so perfectly, and the sound he gets from it are pure

cysyko

09-09-2006, 07:29 PM

Danny C is def. my favorite drummer. The first time i heard schism i was hooked

tambian89

09-10-2006, 12:19 AM

Here's an extended version of the video posted by Bernhard. In the very beginning, he's playing Bonhams green sparkle Ludwigs. Seems like a very down-to-earth kinda guy, despite what has been mention of him and Tool.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5t72yaXU0fY

- Marc

Ian Ballard

09-16-2006, 10:20 AM

I saw Tool tonight.

Simply blew the doors off my soul and the ears off my head!

I got to watch him almost from behind for part of the show. Great technique and command of the kit. He just totally rocked... in every time signature imaginable.

Wow!!

burnthehero

09-16-2006, 10:13 PM

I saw Tool on 9/11. Although the performance as a whole was disappointing (Maynard was under the weather), Danny's individual performance was as incredible as ever. He didn't miss a beat.

That's what I love about Tool. Even on a bad night, they can still kick you in the face.

Green and Mean

09-20-2006, 01:00 PM

Danny Carey is great player indeed, but not my favourite. But still I think that soon he will move to my top 5: )

Goody602

10-02-2006, 07:52 PM

Definitely a great player. I saw Tool last Friday in Mansfield, MA and they were awesome, Danny Carey was insane as usual.

As someone who is not really into double bass playing, I must say my favorite thing about Carey is that he does it tastefully. Nothing bores me more than listening to someone run on their bass drum pedals the whole way through a song. Most of the time he seems to use it in either a fill or to build a groove at a song's climax, like when he goes nuts in Forty Six & 2 or Ticks and Leeches, or the end of Schism. I think he really understands how to use space to create a great groove and when playing single bass is still able to throw some great hi-hat work into his playing.

themac5150

10-07-2006, 10:59 PM

He may be a great player, but after reading his bio on the main site... he sounds like a Space Cadet to me...

Pedey

10-10-2006, 04:43 AM

I just recently read that danny is aleister crowley's great grandson, well there we go.

i love danny carey, one of my msot favourite and inspirational drummers.

Merkaba

10-15-2006, 08:14 AM

I just heard volto for the first time. I am very impressed. though it definatly lacks the creativity found in tool

Merkaba

10-15-2006, 08:17 AM

I wish Tool would come to indiana I have been dying to see since i first started to listen to them 6 years ago

Merkaba

10-15-2006, 08:19 AM

finnhiggins

10-15-2006, 12:29 PM

I am not saying you are lying because i could be wrong, but i dont think they were touring then

They were bang in the middle of a North American tour... as you might expect of a band four months after they put out an album, no?

altered_beast

10-15-2006, 04:25 PM

They were bang in the middle of a North American tour... as you might expect of a band four months after they put out an album, no?

Unless for some reason the guy is confused and thinks that by 9/11 the original poster means 9/11/2001?

cardan

10-17-2006, 12:54 AM

Just in case someone hasn't seen this thread... http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19293... its me playing the Tool song, Vicarious, from their 10,000 Days album...(no background music)...

adavis79

10-18-2006, 05:09 AM

I am just starting to listen to Danny's playing...I am curious...in the drum video what song is he playing with?

altered_beast

10-18-2006, 10:39 AM

I am just starting to listen to Danny's playing...I am curious...in the drum video what song is he playing with?

The one with Jeff Ocheltree and the bronze Paiste kit? It's "Lateralus" from the album of the same name.

mlaponsky

10-19-2006, 03:13 AM

Danny Carey is definatley one of my favorite drummers. He does really cool work the crazy time signatures that Too uses (like in Lateralus) and Schism is probably one of my favorite drum tracks. Really cool stuff, definately recommended to anyone and everyone.

Goody602

10-30-2006, 12:10 AM

Question about DC's playing in 'H.'

I've read that DC plays snares off quite a bit and I can definitely hear it in many songs. But on Aenima especially his snare sounds so tight I think it almost sounds like he's got the snares on when he doesn't--it's hard to tell the difference.

I heard 'H.' on the radio today and noticed something. It always sounded to me like he's definitely playing snares off throughout the verses but when I listened closer it sounded like he switched it on everytime he plays it with a cymbal accent and then back off for the back beat, which, if you know the song, happens more and more as they build into the refrain, but again his snare sounds so similar to my ear regardless of whether the snares are on or not so I can't really tell. What do you think? If he is switching them on and off constantly, well then, he's now climbed even higher in my book, and he's already one of my current favorites.

cardan

10-30-2006, 03:22 AM

I wouldn't doubt he plays some songs snare-off, but I doubt he switches them on and off in the same song. Its probably just how they mixed it...

CVdrummer

10-30-2006, 04:21 AM

that's interesting, i've never heard of anyone playing snare off with the snares really tight to make it sound like it's on. I'm going to listen to Tool more to check it out.

altered_beast

10-31-2006, 12:01 AM

Have you seen Tool live? Trust me, he flicks them on and off. There's no way you could mix it to sound like that, listen to The Grudge for example, right where the distorted guitars kick in with that rock type riff. Well smart.

Jethrooster

11-01-2006, 04:16 PM

I have a hazy memory of Danny saying somewhere he switches the snares on in the parts that need more power, or something along those lines.

This fella's certainly affected my playing a lot, and I'm really, really fond of his style of playing. Kinda grown up listening to it. A very unique player too!

perils

11-30-2006, 03:24 PM

Hi there,

well, Danny is the most outstanding drummer i've heard so far. Seemingly being beneath the music played by his bandmates i often wonder, how he keeps drumming in the middle of it all, building a foundation to the music he's surrounded by.
The new Tool 10.000 days stuff offers , once again, more of his weird kind of drumming, especially in 10.000 days, the second part of wings for marie.
I've read that some people find it much too weird and against the flow of the song, but i feel like they are just not able to feel how perfectly it fits.
It wouldn't be the music it is, if the drumpart was changed.
The question, if Danny flips the snare on and off in a song: he does. Definitely. I've seen him at the Rock am Ring in summer, and there's no question about it. In fact, he's not the only one to do so, look at dream theater's mike portnoy, who has his signature series snare built to this special technique.
I really hope that Danny will be carriying on like this, it's just overwhelming for me to hear him play.

Perils