vruk pedal attachment discussion

[NUTHA JASON]

i'm keen to do the whole heel toe thing on my bassdrum but my feet are too big. i've looked into this Vruk pedal extender and it looks quite cool.

does anybody here have one?
has anybody tried one?
any pictures of it attached?

i know about axis longboards but i don't want to buy a whole new pedal.

j

[finnhiggins]

i'm keen to do the whole heel toe thing on my bassdrum but my feet are too big.


Me too! My secret shame!

In all honesty, I just gave up and found different ways to do it technically. A friend of mine used to do heel-toe very well, but with massive monsters like mine I ended up deciding that I'd just find a way to do multiple strokes that didn't need the heel.

Let me know how the pedal stuff goes, I may consider a change one day. I'm not really convinced though, I'm more worried about my timing on the bass drum than my speed or power these days. I'd reckon learning how to do Thomas Lang's heel down/heel up switching stuff inside grooves would be useful though, I'm quite keen on the idea of learning to play ghosted/accented bass drum lines as well as snare drum ones, that could groove quite nicely.

[beatadrum]

my feet aren't too big i just cant figure how to do it, i've heard that foot size doesnt matter (no pun intended) lol, but could some explain how to do it cuz i've seen the jojo mayer video many times and its amazing....

[mediocrefunkybeat]

It's like a follow-through action. Make the initial impact with your toe and then glide your foot over the pedal. You should find that just gliding your foot over the pedal will cause the back of the pedal to impact with your heel and make another hit. Don't conciously try to push the heel down.

[NUTHA JASON]

yes but my feet are so big that even if my toes are so far up the board that they touch the chain my heel is not on the bottom of the board. a vruk if i understnad the concept properly will make my pedal efectively long enough to allow heel play.

where can i buy one? i'm battling to even fin an online shop that sells them.

j

[K!lly]

I've tried them.. and honestly I was desapointed.

because: they are to rigid, so you must really throw you ankle on the pedal (the Vruk) to make the beatters hit your bass drum... and when I say throw, it's not because i'm not musclor.. believe me ;)
also, its seem that you must have some kind a special pedal setting to work normaly...
I can't express me very well to explain my point of view, so just try to understand:

the setting must be with the beatter near the bassdrum and the pedal must be "low" (your foot as closed as possible from the ground without making pressure on the pedal)
hu?! you understand?

anyway, the demontration video sell with it is insane! I think it tim watterson feets, and it a must seen.. so amazing! also, the "off-voice" is really funny: must be "mister Vruck" himself who's speaking: a nice indian accent :D
the video show you that you can use it...

to finish I'll say that its not a gadget.. its really work, but I didn't succeed to make it work because I allready have my foot technic and I was too lazy to understand how its work... the fact is that you need to re-learn all you know to adapt it to the vruck...

so its not for me, but I'm shure that some people can find it very usefull.



Edit: you can buy it at Vrukpedal.com or on drumcanman.com

[Dyaxe]

yes but my feet are so big that even if my toes are so far up the board that they touch the chain my heel is not on the bottom of the board. a vruk if i understnad the concept properly will make my pedal efectively long enough to allow heel play.

where can i buy one? i'm battling to even fin an online shop that sells them.

j

what i heard is you can order them from tim waterson. if you havn't seen his video with the vruk its on his home page: http://www.drumcanman.com/ (http://). To Order them you can go down to the bottom of that page and click on the vruk pedal logo thing or click on order from canada from tim (if you dont live in canada, click on the vruk pedal im guessing), and a pop up will come up. There a number you can call, or you can contact tim to get them. (im sure he endorses them, if not came up with this maybe?).

Edit: Crap, i think its only for canadian orders only...hmmm..ill look into it more :D

thats about all i know about that..goodluck!

[K!lly]

Edit: you can buy it at Vrukpedal.com or on drumcanman.com

.... they are made in UK if remember....
just go on www.Vrukpedal.com

[drumfanatic]

i'm an vruk&axis user,double bass player 4 10 years or so,on/off , due to injury's but now i'me back..
thanks to vruk(reacentley),i use the to technique as well as hiell to , the rocking motion with the vruk make's it possible to play 32'notes,its still hard work ,also check out the sonic hammer from axis!!!
i use to play with out,but now i'me hooked...

my question = who uses the vruk and has recording/video's ?

[NUTHA JASON]

i want to buy a vruk but they are not available in the uk yet. i contacted over seas people and, if you will pardon the pun, they don't seem to give a vruk, to me that is.

sigh

j

[Jeff Almeyda]

Has anyone here ever used one of these? I see that Tim Waterson has a video of him using it and he says that it helps the doubles sound more even. From the demo it seems to work.

Does it help for singles? or just doubles? Is the technique radically different from heel-toe doubles? Is it practical or just too specialized or gimmicky?

Tim if you see this, I would greatly appreciate your opinion on this subject. I can't imagine anyone more qualified to answer it.

[Jeff Almeyda]

Ooooh, a senior member getting caught not using the search function....shame, shame.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=794


Sorry, I'm usually good with that.

I've read the thread and I still have some questions regarding the stuff I mentioned in the original post. If anyone (especially Mr. Waterson) knows how they apply to single strokes I would love to hear some info on it.

[Deathmetalconga]

The Vruk is cheating.

[Class A Drummer]

before a couple weeks ago, i always thought the pedal attachment was the only way to do heel toe.

[Tim Waterson]

Has anyone here ever used one of these? I see that Tim Waterson has a video of him using it and he says that it helps the doubles sound more even. From the demo it seems to work.

Does it help for singles? or just doubles? Is the technique radically different from heel-toe doubles? Is it practical or just too specialized or gimmicky?

Tim if you see this, I would greatly appreciate your opinion on this subject. I can't imagine anyone more qualified to answer it.
Every time I post about the VRuk someone claims that it is cheating?
Is a distrortion pedal cheating/The Dualist is another story.LOL

If the Vruk was cheating then anyone who tried it would be able to do everything instantly.
drummers get frustrated because they can't do certain patterns overnight.

The vruk is a heel plate attachment that clamps on ANY pedal footboard.
First this will lengthen the pedal about 6" for drummers with a larger foot.
NO it is not just for heel toe.
For drummers with foot pain simply rocking back and forth on the vruk can produce a note on the down stroke and upstroke.You still need to learn the motion.
The accents you can get and the POWER has to be appreciated.
When the Vruk spring collapses the vruk pulls the beater away from the head for the next note which if you push down on the vruk with your heel also causes a note or 2 or 3
here is a clip demoing accented patterns with the vruk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnuXhDSodMc
Hope this helps
Tim

[brokenhalo]

The Vruk is cheating.

hahahaha. i'm sure some people will be annoyed at that post. funny stuff.

also, i'm thinking about grabbing some vruk attatchments too. not specifically for heel toe, but just because i think that playing heel-only would be a lot more comfortable than playing toe-only. any thoughts on this?

[countaferfer]

I've googled vruk and got a couple of sites with explanations on it and videos and such, but I want to know how much they are.....
any help?

[brokenhalo]

there was a guy on ebay selling them. a pair of vruks were $100. i dont see any up at the moment

[Jookbox]

i don't consider it cheating, but this thing, the dualist and other devices seem to be frowned upon in general.

[brokenhalo]

jeez....i wish i would of jumped on those vruks that were on ebay. the only place i can find them now is on tim watersons website and they are $215 for a pair.....guess i'm skipping those.

[Deathmetalconga]

Every time I post about the VRuk someone claims that it is cheating?
Is a distrortion pedal cheating/The Dualist is another story.LOL

If the Vruk was cheating then anyone who tried it would be able to do everything instantly.
drummers get frustrated because they can't do certain patterns overnight.


I don't really think the Vruk is cheating. I was just being assholier-than-thou. I'm an enthusiastic Duallist user and I thought it would be cute for a Duallist user to cry about someone else cheating.

The Vruk does sound interesting. I am tempted to hook it up to a Duallist just to see what it could do. I don't know if that's ever been done.

[Tim Waterson]

jeez....i wish i would of jumped on those vruks that were on ebay. the only place i can find them now is on tim watersons website and they are $215 for a pair.....guess i'm skipping those.
Here are some more VRUK clips
http://youtube.com/results?search=vruk&search_type=search_videos

If you need to PM me about cost$ Not 215.LOL
Tim

[fourstringdrums]

Great videos Tim, the only problem I have is that you seem to be implying that when you try and do alternating heel-toe 1&2&3&4& that it comes out as a shuffle. If you practice the technique you CAN play it without the Vruk so it comes out smoother. Look at Steve Gadd's technique, he doesn't shuffle unless it's intentional.

[Tim Waterson]

Great videos Tim, the only problem I have is that you seem to be implying that when you try and do alternating heel-toe 1&2&3&4& that it comes out as a shuffle. If you practice the technique you CAN play it without the Vruk so it comes out smoother. Look at Steve Gadd's technique, he doesn't shuffle unless it's intentional.
glad you like the clips.

What I should have said was a LOT of drummers dfo this and it comes out as a shuffle the Vruk adds power that is lost as you go faster.
over 90% of the heel toe clips that have been posted are simply fast doubles.
YES you can learn to get a clean heel toe as well of course Steve Gadd did this but
Steve Smith also does this ans so do I .
But watch the distance of beater travel you get with the VRUk.

Hope this helps
Tim

[RMS]

I might have to get some Axis pedals or the Vruk attachment for my iron cobras. I've messed around with my pedal, and even though it's set up how i like, I still have to slam my heel into it to get the first hit during double strokes. And I simply cannot do it with my left pedal. However, I can do it with my left foot on my right pedal. Just too much lag within all the linkage...
At one time I had my Iron cobra hooked to an electronic bass trigger pad, and I was able to do double stroke rolls with both my feet. That's because the pad was closer and tighter than a bassdrum batter head. I've tried setting my beaters foward, but that takes away power for me.
Being that Axis pedals are like $500, I might look at the Vruk when I have the money. Unfortunaltly I'm stuck with R R L triplets for the time being...and slow ones at that.

[fourstringdrums]

glad you like the clips.

What I should have said was a LOT of drummers dfo this and it comes out as a shuffle the Vruk adds power that is lost as you go faster.
over 90% of the heel toe clips that have been posted are simply fast doubles.
YES you can learn to get a clean heel toe as well of course Steve Gadd did this but
Steve Smith also does this ans so do I .
But watch the distance of beater travel you get with the VRUk.

Hope this helps
Tim

One thing I was wondering is, does the Vruck feel strange under foot? It breaks up the level area of the footboard and it looks like it would feel awkward if you were playing without shoes.

[RMS]

I actually use my heel. With shoes on it feels like the middle of my foot. I went to Guitar Center today and was doing fast doubles on their bass pedal display, with DW 9000 and 5000. I would like to get an Axis someday, because i do have large feet, but I'm gonna mess around with my Iron Cobras some more...no money right now...I may try different beaters...all i need is a little more rebound and I think i'll be fine. My springs are all the way tight, btw.

Those sonic hammers looked good in the past, I forgot about those. May try them.

Yeah, all those metal guys use slide method, not heel toe. Us heel toe players are a minority. But I can't do slide method and frankly I can get by without it. I should learn it someday though, but i'm set on mastering the technique that I can already do.

[drumey]

Just read through this thread, sounds interesting!

I bought my Single Axis pedal the other day, and i might try and get a VRuk to see what its like!

[RMS]

I learned something:

I changed pedals and it made me realize that in an effort to make heel/toe easier, I had set the beaters too far foward, basically defeating the Power Glide cam action. I used an old pearl pedal, and the beater is set back very far, non adjustable, but was easier to play than with my iron cobras.

So lessen learned: The cam is supposed to make the beater accelerate faster, and putting the beaters foward defeats this. So now I gotta wear ankle straps like Neil Peart, otherwise the beater gets snagged on my jeans! Or I could just wear shorts all the time.

[Tim Waterson]

I learned something:

I changed pedals and it made me realize that in an effort to make heel/toe easier, I had set the beaters too far foward, basically defeating the Power Glide cam action. I used an old pearl pedal, and the beater is set back very far, non adjustable, but was easier to play than with my iron cobras.

So lessen learned: The cam is supposed to make the beater accelerate faster, and putting the beaters foward defeats this. So now I gotta wear ankle straps like Neil Peart, otherwise the beater gets snagged on my jeans! Or I could just wear shorts all the time.
I haad the same pedals before and had brusises on my ankles when i was a kid.LOL

Regarding the vruk you can work the heel toe motion no matter how close or how far you beaters are away.
Tim

[Ekim]

I would say it's a cheat only because of this: Say you learn how to play with this thing and attain a level of facility. Go to a kit that doesn't have it. Can you play to your full level on that kit?

[Tim Waterson]

Bernard,NJ,Dogbreath,and DW friends.
Anybody that was interested in how the VRUK can turbo charge your speed heres a 10 second run for FUN.
Just VRUKIN around....LOL

http://forum.timwaterson.com/viewtopic.php?p=146#146

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BRrE6fimYQ
Tim

[Jookbox]

what the vruk? i mean, vruckin ay.

[Tim Waterson]

what the vruk? i mean, vruckin ay.
Yes Now we can all play with the Vruking drums...LOL
Tim

[Tim Waterson]

I would say it's a cheat only because of this: Say you learn how to play with this thing and attain a level of facility. Go to a kit that doesn't have it. Can you play to your full level on that kit?

I get a lot of eamils from drummers who think the vruk is cheating
Here is a clip explaining the VRuk and what is is actually does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C1ChQYPpqs
Hope this helps clear the confusion
God Bless
Tim Waterson

[finnhiggins]

I would say it's a cheat only because of this: Say you learn how to play with this thing and attain a level of facility. Go to a kit that doesn't have it. Can you play to your full level on that kit?

On that basis drumsticks are also a bit of a cheat, though...

EDIT: Oh, and Tim - from that video the VRUK seems *extremely* noisy. Surely that would be noticable on a recording, no?

[fossilhead]

Given five-ten years every pedal (with the possible exception of the speed king) is going to end up with it's own Vruk style device implemented from the factory.

Some may call it cheating, but the fact is if it's faster, smoother, more comfortable. It's just progress.

[toolskid]

On that basis drumsticks are also a bit of a cheat, though...

EDIT: Oh, and Tim - from that video the VRUK seems *extremely* noisy. Surely that would be noticable on a recording, no?

I use a pair on sessions all the time, no noise problems at all! They're a really great tool! And I'm a pretty quiet player generally!

[Deathmetalconga]

Given five-ten years every pedal (with the possible exception of the speed king) is going to end up with it's own Vruk style device implemented from the factory.

Some may call it cheating, but the fact is if it's faster, smoother, more comfortable. It's just progress.

Single pedal/dual beater designs have been around since the 1920s. They never caught on because you couldn't go from dual to single mode and for most of us, we'd play in single mode 90 percent of the time.

How easily does the Vruk play single mode? Do you need to play heel up all the time to get single mode?

[toolskid]

Single pedal/dual beater designs have been around since the 1920s. They never caught on because you couldn't go from dual to single mode and for most of us, we'd play in single mode 90 percent of the time.

How easily does the Vruk play single mode? Do you need to play heel up all the time to get single mode?

nah, you can easily go heel down or heel up, its not intrusive at all really, It doesn't really have 'modes' it just becomes integral to your playing you can use it or not! Try and check one out! Vruk has just moved his production to holland now, so there may be a little wait while he gets the new ones out!! AWESOME device!

[Tim Waterson]

Single pedal/dual beater designs have been around since the 1920s. They never caught on because you couldn't go from dual to single mode and for most of us, we'd play in single mode 90 percent of the time.

How easily does the Vruk play single mode? Do you need to play heel up all the time to get single mode?
Thats the greaT THING ABOUT vruK.You can use it heel up heel down swivel heel toe whatever you want just position the vruk where it feels best for you.
Tim

[d.c.drummer]

I don't really think the Vruk is cheating. I was just being assholier-than-thou. I'm an enthusiastic Duallist user and I thought it would be cute for a Duallist user to cry about someone else cheating.

The Vruk does sound interesting. I am tempted to hook it up to a Duallist just to see what it could do. I don't know if that's ever been done.


LOL that would be pretty hilarious. Post Results if you follow through.

[k3ng]

I'm making a decision on whether I should go Vruk..

After reading the past threads I have 1 question left.

After going vruk, does it affect the way you play on a normal pedal? Let's say I've practised with a Vruk attatchment and get good at it, and for some reason at a performance or etc I have no access to my Vruk attatchment( may be a weird place to be put in since the Vruk is highly portable, but situation probable nonetheless I think =P ), will it affect my level of playing on a normal single pedal?

Is vruk a one way trip? =P

[brokenhalo]

obviously you wouldnt be able to use the heel techniques that you learned with the vruk, but your normal chops would still be fine. i'd say go for it. looks like a cool piece of gear, and something i'd consider getting down the road.

[NUTHA JASON]

well i haven't used mine in months so its up for sale if you want to get it at a bargain price.

here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140014215481&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

j

[Jay.B.]

well i haven't used mine in months so its up for sale if you want to get it at a bargain price.

here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140014215481&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

j

Watchin' it ... ... ...

[JWM]

I actually practice with an inexpensive DW 7000 single pedal using my size 11 foot...

Maybe Tim can back me on this, but there are two distinct ways to do heel/toe--

The first is the "official" heel/toe where the heel is literally playing the pedal and then you rock up for the toe. This can be achieved on certain standard pedals if your foot is small enough and/or your pedal is long enough to accommodate a literal heel stroke.

The second method I think is the less "official" heel/toe and more of the "constant release" motion. Derrick Pope explains this as well on his heel/toe vid. For me, I have to do this with my foot size and current pedal. In this case, the heel doesn't really hit the pedal at all (rather the plate on the floor), but provides power to the top and middle portion of the foot for accenting the first note of a double. Through diligent practice, I am able to still have strong strokes at higher speeds. The real difficulty is getting the power for the first double (or an isolated one such as in using it in grooves), because you have to lift the heel from a resting position without doing an accidental stroke. One guy over at Derek Roddy's forum desribes this as a "hopping" motion where you have to spring from the ankle. I look at it as Moeller for the foot, and it really seems to be a different group of muscles that needs to be developed. And there's definitely a timing component... much like the Moeller whip with the hands.

Tim-- you seem to do a combination of both, and this is how you achieve what you do. But the Vruk seems to "level" the playing field, and I definitely want to explore it soon. I don't see it as cheating either, because it still takes work to develop the motion and muscle groups... not to mention the control.

[kjsm]

i have two, even three vruk pedals if you all are interested?

reason to sell - misplaced order ending up with one spare, and then the two i meant to buy were for a double bass pedal i no longer have due to theft.

email me, message me, contact

kjs

[LimaBeans]

Sorry if this is off-topic, but ug...I'm so confused about what heel/toe actually is. For a while I thought that what I use is heel/toe, then I didn't, then I did, and now I don't again. Anyways, I wear size 13 shoes (U.S.) and I can do a variation of heel/toe on a P-100, broken Gibraltar, and Iron Cobra pedals (without a vruk attachment). The way I do it, the heel can actually hang off of the foot board. I don't have a video camera on hand, but if anyone is interested, I can try to see if I can borrow my bro's camera. If I'm able to, it'll probaly be at least a week before I can post anything...but I won't bother unless anyone is interested.

[Backwards Marathon]

hey lima id like to see it, i have the DW 9000 double pedal and i cant do the heel toe because of my large feet lol. ive seen Tim Watersons vid about having huge feet but you can still play it but i still cant. :(

[LimaBeans]

hey lima id like to see it, i have the DW 9000 double pedal and i cant do the heel toe because of my large feet lol. ive seen Tim Watersons vid about having huge feet but you can still play it but i still cant. :(

I'll try to make the video ASAP, but don't expect it too soon. My brother lives near his college campus, so I'll have to get his camera from him next time I see him (I don't know when that'll be).

[dea]

The VRUK is not cheating because one must still apply some level of technique to make it work for you. When you have to apply some technique, then it moves into the tool realm. I'm thinking of picking one up. I just want to make sure its going to be smooth and not require loads of effort. I don't like to have to slam something to make it work. I hope its not like that.

[Bttl]

Well i think its cheating just like the dualist pedals as its making something easier for one person while theres other people out there strugling to master a technique with a normal pedal.

Soo this is my question if someone cant do a specific technique with a pedal without the Vruk, but they can with a pedal with the vruk then why do you not call it cheating?

[Tim Waterson]

Well i think its cheating just like the dualist pedals as its making something easier for one person while theres other people out there strugling to master a technique with a normal pedal.

Soo this is my question if someone cant do a specific technique with a pedal without the Vruk, but they can with a pedal with the vruk then why do you not call it cheating?
Lets see if I can clear up the confusion.
The duallist or Giant step allow you to instantly play 16ths or triplets and other patterns at outragggeous tempos.
IF you can play 300 with one foot you should be able to do 600 with the dualist or Giant step.You cant just step on the vruk and expect it to double your speed.LOL
You are not going to become Thomas Lang over night but doubling your speed is simple....
Now the Vruk
.http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=VRuk

Watch the Vruk video demonstration and you will see its not the same as the Giant Step or duallist..
It took Steve Smith 6m months to get the constant release motion happening with the VRUk you can do this easier......... as using your heel to colloapse the springs pulls the beater away from the head faster giving you a more consistant sound between heel and toe.YOU still have to learn the VRUK technique...
ALSO The Vruk allows you to accent while you are playing patterns.
The VRUK also levels your foot on the pedal taking the pressure off of your achilles tendon.....For drummers with ankle problems
Hope this clears the confusion
God Bless
Tim

[Sticktrick]

This thread is really vruked up.

Ups.... do I get banned for that one? Dear admins: You have to forgive me, my head is vruked up too due to too much drumming in the last weeks. sry.

but hey, this seems to be a nice little diddy.... got to check it out some day.

[samthebeat]

i just brought a vruk, im a little confused, i cant seem to get the heel stroke out of the thing. I am using an iron cobra, im not really sure where to posistion it, or should i tension my spring more or something.

I have to say i do like the extra power, it makes your pedal feel like its turbo chagred.....it makes a very nice foot rest too.

As for a being a cheater pedal....at the moment can bareley get the heel toe going with it, and i could without it so im thinking its definetley not a cheater pedal. I understand it has benifits, but im yet to get any!

[Tim Waterson]

i just brought a vruk, im a little confused, i cant seem to get the heel stroke out of the thing. I am using an iron cobra, im not really sure where to posistion it, or should i tension my spring more or something.

I have to say i do like the extra power, it makes your pedal feel like its turbo chagred.....it makes a very nice foot rest too.

As for a being a cheater pedal....at the moment can bareley get the heel toe going with it, and i could without it so im thinking its definetley not a cheater pedal. I understand it has benifits, but im yet to get any!
Vuk just posted this clip explaining the vruk see if this helps

http://www.vrukpedal.com/public_html/TIMVIDEO.html
Tim

[Rich]

i'm keen to do the whole heel toe thing on my bassdrum but my feet are too big. i've looked into this Vruk pedal extender and it looks quite cool.

does anybody here have one?
has anybody tried one?
any pictures of it attached?

i know about axis longboards but i don't want to buy a whole new pedal.

j Hello Nutha Jason, Just go to Vrukpedal.com There you can learn all about the pedals. Tell Vruk Rich sent you! I have been using these attachments for three years now and love them. Whether you use the heel toe method or not they really free up the pedals. Let me know how you make out. Take care, Rich

[dea]

Hi. Going to leave history out of this one folks...

I just received my vruk pedal a week ago. I am completely blown away by this tool. This tool is not a cheater tool in any sense of the word. In fact, it will sit there staring at you unless you do employ the technique and employ it correctly. If not, it will do nothing for you except provide some cushy foot support.

One of the posts mentioned that you had to put too much pressure on the heel to make it work. I don't find that to be true. Is your beater spring extra tight? The real catch is the twisting/rolling action, as opposed to the rocking so familiar to most. It is different than the standard issue rocking one employs with a standard bass drum pedal, and once you get your foot positioned right, and the twist/roll action going, it is absolute heaven.

Throwing around accents is almost as easy as with your hands. My foot doesn't hit the beater anymore, but rather its dancing around on this pedal with my heel twisting from right to left. I was chuckling during my practices because it tickled so much to have my entire foot getting into the expression rather than just my toe. It just feels so complete now.

I hope I didn't sound too corny.

[dea]

I've had my Vruk for several months now and I can't imagine life without it. Please note the following comments are not relating to speed even though the Vruk is designed for speed. Its the control resolution/finesse this tool offers that literally floors me.

With that, If I take the Vruk off the pedal, I can immediately feel the standard pedals shortcomings. Its not the inability to do heel-toe with a standard pedal, but rather the standard pedal just doesn't provide the heel control the Vruk provides. This is an incredibly simplified comment since there is much more to it than just more heel realestate. The fancy spring in the heel allows you to not just rock your foot, but twist it as well from left to right. My foot is all over the footboard now. Its twisting, jumping forward, then back, twisting the other way. Its just an incredible feeling.

I know I have mentioned this, but I feel I must again... The Vruk is not for the faint hearted. It requires patience and time ( this amount will vary based on your current skillset ). It will require you to rethink how you use your foot. For the folks who are willing to take that next step, you are in for quite the treat.

Demir