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moncholo

06-15-2010, 05:59 PM

Thanks a lot, Terry!
At the first glance I think this is just the thing. Now when I look at it transcribed, it doesn't even seem so complicated. Great job!
@Fox:
about the 32nds and triplets: imho, at this speed one can think of those double bass hits like 1/64 notes as well as 32nd triplets. I am not sure there is a difference detectable by ears, so whatever looks more intuitive when written will work fine. Still, I might be wrong...
I can't wait for Gavin to take a look
cheers

I actually think of it as all 32nd notes, excepnt for the double bass hits which would be 1/64 notes, or flams. Thinking of it as triplets, then 32nds at that speed is just crazy for me, but maybe someone with a more developed ear (like Terry) would say that that's what's actually going on.

Either way, stellar fill!

anders_slåke

06-15-2010, 06:32 PM

Deathtoll

06-15-2010, 11:14 PM

I've been looking at the recent kits you've been playing on the tours lately. I noticed on the first leg of The Incident tour here in Seattle you seem to be playing just an all black kit that also seem to have a bigger bass drum then i've seen in picture before that tour. I then noticed halfway through you got the new black and white psychedelic look. Any reason you got a new kit halfway through that tour?

Gavin Harrison

06-16-2010, 12:05 AM

Hi supermac

Of the many questions I could ask about your perfomance in the show, one is about your playing on Dark Matter.The left-hand 'bounces' on the snare you play near the start are something I've never seen played before in that context.Are you able to describe the technique/mechanic you use?

They are not really 'bounces' - I couldn't really control the speed as much as I needed if I just bounced them - I'm playing 32nd notes (sometimes 16th note triplets). Actually it's harder than it looks!!

Hi astroandy

I am a conductor of a few young concert bands, and I am no drummer, but very interested in rhythms and drumming. I was discussing this with some people, what do you think is the effect of cleaning the cymbals?

I never clean the cymbals. With some cymbals they have a coating that you shouldn't really rub off. I think wiping off dust or sweat is fine - but don't get aggressively abrasive with them.

And also, can you give some hint about a book or DVD on tuning the drums?

I have Bob Gatzen's DVD and he has a lot of YouTube clips on tuning that I really find helpful. I think he talks a lot of sense.

Hi Phil Brodermann

What was the inspiration for the title of 'Sanity and Gravity'?

nothing really special - it just came to me as I was lying in bed one night. I like the sound of those two words together - plus the meanings that you might want to read into them.

Hi KevShephard

did you get a chance to hear Dave play at all at Sonor Days?

Yes I did and he was great.

Hi anders_slåke

The 5 bells that is placed above your hihat, what kind of stand are they placed on?

It was a custom stand that a friend of mine built for me. I now use a Sonor stand that is built from parts of their "basic arm" range.

Hi Deathtoll

I've been looking at the recent kits you've been playing on the tours lately. I noticed on the first leg of The Incident tour here in Seattle you seem to be playing just an all black kit that also seem to have a bigger bass drum then i've seen in picture before that tour. I then noticed halfway through you got the new black and white psychedelic look. Any reason you got a new kit halfway through that tour?

I don't think I've ever played a black kit with Porcupine Tree. Maybe it was a trick of the lights? In the States I have a Golden Madrone finished SQ2 kit - and then when we come over to Europe I use my black and white "Tribal" finished SQ2 kit - the bass drums are the same size on both sets.

Cheers
Gavin

ItalianRicky

06-16-2010, 12:18 AM

Hey Gavin!

At first I just want to thank you for answering questions, inspiring me and last but not least your great performance in Bergen, Norway last Wednesday! :-)

My question:
The 5 bells that is placed above your hihat, what kind of stand are they placed on?
(pic below)

http://www.vicfirth.com/features/MESSE07/videopicts-harrison.jpg

Thanks in advance!

If i can i try to answer you.I hope that Gavin will forgive me =)
This photo if i remember well is from a session during the Rythmic Horizons clinic tour.I asked Gavin about his bells holder, he says that's a custom holder made by an artisan.
Actually, Gavin is using an holder made with Sonor hardware components.little customized by him, i suppose.

Gavin, i have a question for you.
You seems to be a powerful drummer, with a louder hit on drums.But you show a great control of your touch, and you can play amazing ghost notes.
have you some advices for obtain better ghost notes?
Some pages ago, i told you that Italian drummers really appreciate your previous DVD's with italian sublitles.I was sad when you wrote me that i was the first to tell this thing to you.But i have rythmic designs in my hand now.I have to admit that with focused ears and eyes i can follow your lessons.This dvd is simply great.The 2 discussion sections are a bible of knowledge.thanks to share all that things with us.

Cheers from Italy
Riccardo

ps:i added you on Facebook! ;)

euphoric_anomaly

06-16-2010, 11:14 AM

floortom13

06-16-2010, 11:31 AM

steste50

06-16-2010, 06:35 PM

Hi Gavin,

1. I tried the big water bottle trick on the bass drum and it seems to give great results in terms of making the sub work. How do You treat that track by the way? Low pass filter?

2. What's the polar pattern of the DPA mic You use?

3. How do You suspend Your Audix D6 inside Your BD?

4. Whenever You play it seems You never "stumble" or hesitate: do You sing your phrasing and feels in Your head when You play and improvise or You just let Your hands go?

Thanks for all Your replies and time

Fox622003

06-16-2010, 06:58 PM

Gavin,

This is basically for anyone who wants to jump on it, but I was wondering if someone could transcribe, and/or explain what's going on with the hi-hat in this easily deceptive 4/4 beat.

I figured this would be the best place to get an accurate explanation from all the guru's on this forum.

Thanks a bunch

Eric

As floortom13 said, this is a simple groove in 4, under a hi hat accented every 3 sixteenth note.
Here's a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvxGLwo2OQs) to a YouTube tutorial, I don't think it's great, but it's OK.
Also, when dealing with polyrhythms, it's not about thinking of the 3s on one side, and thinking in 4 as well, it's all about working it together. So, while conceptually there might be two or more rhythms going on, don't let anyone make you believe they are thinking about all these different rhythms separately, 95% of the time, it's a matter of INTERdependance, rather than independance.

Fox.

euphoric_anomaly

06-16-2010, 08:53 PM

Fox,

What a wonderfully accurate transcription. I have viewed the YouTube explanation before and just thought the teacher was an egotistical ass... but anyway, now I can clearly see what's going on. I have tried to replicate it and play along with it, but it is tricky the first few times you play it.

Thanks so much

cygnify

06-16-2010, 09:31 PM

OK, so I used the search function to try and find a transcription of Anesthetize, and all I could find was that thrashy double pedal part (killer!) but what I am looking for is the part just before that (you know, the part with several high hat chokes at the end.) For some reason, I just can't get my cymbal crashes to line up (I think I start the snare/tom fill too early) Can anyone point me to a transcription? Or at least what time signature for that section and/or what beats those cymbal crashes are at? It's driving me nuts. Thx :)

euphoric_anomaly

06-17-2010, 12:11 AM

Phil Brodermann

06-17-2010, 01:15 AM

Hi Gavin,

In your opinion, what affect do re-enforcement rings have on the sound of the toms, let's say a 'vintage' maple shell vs. a 'thin' maple shell?

Thanks very much, phil :)

Swiss Matthias

06-17-2010, 09:13 AM

Here's a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvxGLwo2OQs) to a YouTube tutorial, I don't think it's great, but it's OK.

That's not a 3 over 4 polyrhythm, the youtube-"tutor" is wrong. A polyrhythm would be 3 strokes against 4 strokes in the same duration of time.

Swiss Matthias

06-17-2010, 09:14 AM

Here's a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvxGLwo2OQs) to a YouTube tutorial, I don't think it's great, but it's OK.
Also, when dealing with polyrhythms, it's not about thinking of the 3s on one side, and thinking in 4 as well, it's all about working it together.

That's not a 3 over 4 polyrhythm, the youtube-"tutor" is wrong. A polyrhythm would be 3 strokes against 4 strokes in the same duration of time. Like fox said, it's three note groupings of 16ths instead.

ProgFron

06-17-2010, 04:02 PM

Hi Gavin,

Just a quick question about cutting down cymbals to chimes.
You said that after you were reasonably close the size you wanted a cymbal to be you started filing with same metal sand paper. How close is that exactly? 1/2 of an inch, 1/4 of an inch? Thanks.

Cheers,

Francis

Matze

06-17-2010, 04:49 PM

Hi Gavin! First of all: your creativity and skills are absolutely inspiring. Im a huge fan of porcupine tree and your style of drumming just fits perfectly into the band.
So I have a few questions about that:
1. Is the whole band using in ear metronoms live? cause when I saw you playing, I thought that it must be very challenging for wilson and co to keep the time while your'e playing these 7 over 4 kind of things in fills etc.
2. is the vers groove of cheating the polygraph based on septuplets? or do you just play sextuplets in a kind of "different" feel?
3. I found a transcription of your slippin' away version. is this amazing triplet-group of 5 pattern at the beginning the same you're playing at the outro of cheating the polygraph?
thanks for your time!
Matze

cygnify

06-17-2010, 05:25 PM

There are 2 sections of the hi-hat chokes before the double bass blast from hell. The first one is from 9:36 to approx. 9:51 and 2nd is from 10:45 to 11:00. They are both in 4/4.

Yes, those are the sections (from Anesthetize,) but on which beats are the cymbal crashes? I always seem to be coming out of it a little late - maybe I'm putting a couple extra eighths in my fill before them. Any help would be appreciated

Gavin Harrison

06-17-2010, 07:16 PM

Hi ItalianRicky

You seems to be a powerful drummer, with a louder hit on drums.But you show a great control of your touch, and you can play amazing ghost notes.
have you some advices for obtain better ghost notes?

Thanks - I don't know what to suggest - basically it's just stick control...and years of practise.

Hi steste50

1. I tried the big water bottle trick on the bass drum and it seems to give great results in terms of making the sub work. How do You treat that track by the way? Low pass filter?

Yes - everything above 500hz is eq'd off.

2. What's the polar pattern of the DPA mic You use?

I don't really know - there's no chance to change anything on the mic. I assume that it's 'omni' as it's basically a tie clip vocal mic.

3. How do You suspend Your Audix D6 inside Your BD?

Kelly Shu.

4. Whenever You play it seems You never "stumble" or hesitate: do You sing your phrasing and feels in Your head when You play and improvise or You just let Your hands go?

I do sing a lot to myself...and sometime get a pretty sore throat by the end of a long show!!

Hi cygnify

OK, so I used the search function to try and find a transcription of Anesthetize, and all I could find was that thrashy double pedal part (killer!) but what I am looking for is the part just before that (you know, the part with several high hat chokes at the end.) For some reason, I just can't get my cymbal crashes to line up (I think I start the snare/tom fill too early) Can anyone point me to a transcription? Or at least what time signature for that section and/or what beats those cymbal crashes are at? It's driving me nuts. Thx :)

That section is 11 beats long. You could think of it as 11/4 or 2 bars off 4/4 + a bar of 3/4. I never count it - I just sing the riff to myself. Maybe Terry B could 'drum' up a little transcription of it for you?

Hi Phil Brodermann

In your opinion, what affect do re-enforcement rings have on the sound of the toms, let's say a 'vintage' maple shell vs. a 'thin' maple shell?

I've never had two kits side by side with the spec's you mentioned so I can't give you a really considered answer. Apparently the rings 'focus' the sound more. I have had kits of both specs and they both sounded good to me.

Hi ProgFron

Just a quick question about cutting down cymbals to chimes.
You said that after you were reasonably close the size you wanted a cymbal to be you started filing with same metal sand paper. How close is that exactly? 1/2 of an inch, 1/4 of an inch? Thanks.

I would say around 1/2 an inch. It's really hard to cut them 'round' when you attack them with the tin snips - or be that accurate - so you need to give yourself some error room.

Hi Matze

1. Is the whole band using in ear metronoms live? cause when I saw you playing, I thought that it must be very challenging for wilson and co to keep the time while your'e playing these 7 over 4 kind of things in fills etc.

No - when I'm playing they can only hear me. They only hear a click (in the songs that we use it) when I stop playing.

2. is the vers groove of cheating the polygraph based on septuplets? or do you just play sextuplets in a kind of "different" feel?

They are septuplets - if you hear the bass drum as 'one' and the snare backbeat as 'two'. Otherwise it's just 7/8. You can find a transcription of that here http://www.askgavinharrison.com/transcriptions

3. I found a transcription of your slippin' away version. is this amazing triplet-group of 5 pattern at the beginning the same you're playing at the outro of cheating the polygraph?

Yes it's basically the same pattern

cheers
Gavin.

Crazy8s

06-17-2010, 09:38 PM

Hi Gavin!

I just wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude for sharing your ideas and experience with this community. It's truly an amazing thing to me that you spend some of your valuable time here with us, freely sharing your wisdom!

Porcupine Tree has been on the top of my playlist for months now because I find it to be very introspective and insightful and at the same time a very world-reaching positive message that hastens our enlightenment. True, some of the subject matter is dark and perhaps a bit dreary, but I feel that your group does this intentionally so that we may see the folly of our dark and dreary ways. Like a wake up call of sorts, to snap us out of our electronic subjugation.

Its very challenging music, very intelligently played and thought out, but doesn't require the listener to be a mathematician to enjoy. That is a true sign of genius, where a musician can make very complicated rhythmic movement flow smoothly like water in a stream. One doesn't need to calculate the Brownian motion of the water molecules in order to just enjoy the calming sound of the stream as they relax on the soft grass beside it. Of course, if one does want to do such calculations, the math is most certainly prevalent in your playing but you are so smooth and groovy that many listeners may not even realize it. That is what I consider musical genius!

Thank you and Porcupine Tree for sharing your brilliant ideas with us!

Kevin

euphoric_anomaly

06-17-2010, 11:44 PM

Gavin,

Quick question about Circles. Thanks to your excellent explanation of the time sig's I was wondering if you could tell me what the time signature was for the piano solo. Does it follow the 5/8 + 3/4 chorus section? Or is it a new signature all together?

I have yet to purchase the new DVD so all I can go by is the samples on Youtube and Hudson Music, which I'm very thankful for.

Thanks

Eric

Alex P.

06-18-2010, 12:13 PM

cygnify

06-18-2010, 09:10 PM

Hi Cygnify,

Here is the basic pattern of this section.
Hope that helps.

Bye!

Alex P.

Excellent! Merci beaucoup!

FourT6and2

06-20-2010, 05:35 AM

Hello Gavin!

I'm really a guitarist, but I dabble here and there with percussion. I'd just like to say thanks for all the amazing music. I tend to gravitate toward grooves in 7, 9, 11 and anything with killer odd time like "The Start of Something Beautiful." Your drumming inspires me to play guitar. :) I think I secretly wish I were a drummer.

maniaconkeys

06-20-2010, 09:46 AM

Hi Gavin,

Long time lurker, first time poster here. Love your playing and Porcupine Tree in particular.

just had a few questions-

1. when you play a song live, and improvise in fills in particular, how much of it is spontaneous, and how much do you prepare beforehand? for example, the fill in the middle of sound of muzak at modern drummer, did you practice that beforehand or did you just improvise? similarly in hatesong in the arriving somewhere dvd too..

2. have you ever been distracted by the crowd clapping out of time?

thanks!

kartik

Gavin Harrison

06-20-2010, 12:10 PM

Hi euphoric_anomaly

Quick question about Circles. Thanks to your excellent explanation of the time sig's I was wondering if you could tell me what the time signature was for the piano solo. Does it follow the 5/8 + 3/4 chorus section? Or is it a new signature all together?

No it's the same as the verse. A cycle of 23 beats 9/8 + 9/8 + 5/8

Hi maniaconkeys

1. when you play a song live, and improvise in fills in particular, how much of it is spontaneous, and how much do you prepare beforehand? for example, the fill in the middle of sound of muzak at modern drummer, did you practice that beforehand or did you just improvise? similarly in hatesong in the arriving somewhere dvd too..

Sometimes the fills are an important part of the arrangement so I play them the same every night - other times I play variations of the same fills - and sometimes they are completely improvised. BUT "completely improvised" sometimes contains components that may have been played before but they might be voiced differently or put together in a different order or subdivision. The fill that you are referring to was 'worked out' in that I've played that grouping of notes before (at that subdivision rate) - but I didn't work out exactly how I was going to voice it.

2. have you ever been distracted by the crowd clapping out of time?

Yes.

cheers
Gavin

Deathtoll

06-21-2010, 01:37 AM

I'm very curious as to how "The Incident" turned from a 36min single track to a 55min one. Could you briefly run down for us how you guys kept creating material for it?

pixelbreaker

06-22-2010, 12:49 AM

Hey Gavin!

I noticed that PT was doing a few extra tour dates in August. I'm definitely going to the Nashville show. But, I saw on the show website that PT are special guests to go along with Coheed and Cambria. Does this mean that PT is going to do a short set? I might have to cry if you guys are.

Gavin Harrison

06-22-2010, 12:08 PM

Hi Deathtoll

I'm very curious as to how "The Incident" turned from a 36min single track to a 55min one. Could you briefly run down for us how you guys kept creating material for it?

we got together for some writing sessions and just wrote more material for it.

Hi pixelbreaker

I noticed that PT was doing a few extra tour dates in August. I'm definitely going to the Nashville show. But, I saw on the show website that PT are special guests to go along with Coheed and Cambria. Does this mean that PT is going to do a short set?

We'll be doing the same length set as Coheed and Cambria - but probably a bit shorter than a normal PT show.

cheers
Gavin

rtptfan

06-23-2010, 04:31 AM

Hi Gavin!

Are Porcupine Tree still doing the dates with Coheed & Cambria because the dates were taken off Porcupine Tree's website? Do you know why they were removed?

And if you guys are still doing the dates, do you know whether you guys or Coheed will close the shows?

I've bought tickets for the Memphis show on August the 20th and I can't wait!

Kalma

06-23-2010, 06:57 AM

Hi Gavin,

is there any "formula" that calculates the resolve point?
I was curious if I always have to write polyrhythms out or have to count them out to find the resolve point..

Thanks
David

Gavin Harrison

06-23-2010, 11:08 AM

Hi rtptfan

Are Porcupine Tree still doing the dates with Coheed & Cambria because the dates were taken off Porcupine Tree's website? Do you know why they were removed?And if you guys are still doing the dates, do you know whether you guys or Coheed will close the shows?

I don't know the answer to either of your questions - sorry.

Hi Kalma

is there any "formula" that calculates the resolve point?
I was curious if I always have to write polyrhythms out or have to count them out to find the resolve point..

Multiply one by the other. So if you're playing 5 against 7 it's going to take 35 common subdivisions to resolve. That might be 7 x 5 - or 5 x 7 depending on your rhythmic perspective.

cheers
Gavin

Fox622003

06-23-2010, 11:19 AM

Great stuff there on Facebook! Awesome videos, specially the little jazz quartet thing you had going there. It was VERY odd to see you in that setting.

Fox.

SantiBanks

06-24-2010, 08:06 AM

Great stuff there on Facebook!
Yes very nice video of you in the pub! I still consider you as a great creative jazz player. I wouldn't mind having you in my jazz/fusion group ;)

On that video you play a Gretsch kit? Was it already setup or do you own a Gretsch? (it's the first time I see you play on Gretsch, thats why)

Rocklord

06-24-2010, 07:14 PM

Hi Gavin,

A few quick questions for you:

Have you had a chance to use the Axis A21's yet? If so, what are your impressions and thoughts on the differences between these and your current pedals.

Also, 13 shows in 15 days for the Coheed and Cambria tour. I think I'd sleep for a month after that! Obviously economics play a part in touring so you can't always have a couple of days off here and there but have you ever looked at a touring schedule with dread?

If you have them to hand, what are your seat, snare and hi-hat heights? I'm not as tall as you but it'd interesting to see what it's like grooving with your settings.

Lastly, are you on Twitter?

Many thanks again for all your time here, and for the continued education and inspiration.

Cheers

Goran Lizdek

06-25-2010, 01:43 AM

Hey Gavin,
We all know from practice that it's the sum of all the little things and little steps and stages that shapes the drum's sound through the process of recording and postproduction. But in your experience is there is any piece of gear, any great or drum-friendly compressor, or any parameter settings that introduces some more than obvious or radical change in quality/clarity of the sound (which will make you say "Now, this sounds different!")? And/or how much of your original recording is affected by Steven's mixing and mastering technique?

Thanks in advance! It's really a privilege having you to share your time with us!

Best wishes, Goran

Gavin Harrison

06-25-2010, 10:49 AM

Hi SantiBanks

On that video you play a Gretsch kit? Was it already setup or do you own a Gretsch?

No it's not my kit - that Gretsch set belonged to Eddie Clayton - I was just sitting in for a couple of tunes. It's pretty hard to play on other peoples sets.

Hi Rocklord

Have you had a chance to use the Axis A21's yet? If so, what are your impressions and thoughts on the differences between these and your current pedals.

I haven't had time to really play about with them yet. I got sent a pair in the middle of the tour and didn't think that was the right time to switch. They are beautifully made and feel as smooth as the regular ones. I'm looking forward to getting them into my studio and going through the options.

Also, 13 shows in 15 days for the Coheed and Cambria tour. I think I'd sleep for a month after that! Obviously economics play a part in touring so you can't always have a couple of days off here and there but have you ever looked at a touring schedule with dread?

I look at almost every touring schedule with dread. It's going to be hard.

If you have them to hand, what are your seat, snare and hi-hat heights? I'm not as tall as you but it'd interesting to see what it's like grooving with your settings.

seat 44cms, snare drum 65cms (measured to the top rim at the place closest to me - because it leans back a little) hi hats 83cms (measured to the edge of the cymbals in their closed position).

Lastly, are you on Twitter?

No.

Hi Goran Lizdek

We all know from practice that it's the sum of all the little things and little steps and stages that shapes the drum's sound through the process of recording and postproduction. But in your experience is there is any piece of gear, any great or drum-friendly compressor, or any parameter settings that introduces some more than obvious or radical change in quality/clarity of the sound (which will make you say "Now, this sounds different!")? And/or how much of your original recording is affected by Steven's mixing?

Firstly it's a difficult question because everything effects the sound. I don't record the effects - just a bit of eq on my analog desk. I like to use the Waves C1 compressor plugin on the snare drum and a bit of it on the toms. Steve uses the same plugin with the same settings. Plus there's usually some added reverb. The drums end up sounding pretty close to the original recording. The problem is - when you bring in all the other instruments - it changes the way you hear the drums.

cheers
Gavin

anders_slåke

06-25-2010, 12:35 PM

Hey Gavin!

What kind of shell material and what kind of shell type does your drums consists of?

Kalma

06-25-2010, 02:52 PM

I remember Gavin said his Sq2 was made of Maple.

RackToms in Thin and FloorToms in Medium shell Type?
The Bassdrum I can't remember..

euphoric_anomaly

06-26-2010, 12:44 AM

Gavin,

Have you ever considered or played with the idea of placing another floor tom to the left of your hi-hat? Do you think that would increase the number of musical "shapes" you could accomplish?

Take the intro to Unsettled for example, would having the other floor tom throw off the natural flow of the beat, or would it make it any easier?

Just curious as to your opinion on floor toms left of the hats.
Thanks
Eric

pixelbreaker

06-26-2010, 05:06 AM

Hey Gavin,

The first time I saw you guys was back in April at the Riviera in Chicago. I remember standing in the wrong line, it was the "fan club only" line. I also mentioned earlier that I was going to be at the Nashville show on the 22nd of August, and this time I would like to join the fan club... how can I do that?

adityasonakia

06-26-2010, 02:52 PM

Dear Mr. Harrison,

Do you use any Drum Notation Software? Could you tell me which one do you use?

Thanks,

Aditya.

Fox622003

06-28-2010, 06:47 AM

Alright, a couple of posts ago you wrote that there's no click going on for your band members while you're playing. What advantage do you see to this? Because even an experienced musician with a trained ear, even a drummer and rhythmic expert, might have trouble grasping some stuff if he's not the one playing it, and knows exactly what's going on. Get Vinnie, or Stew, and I'm sure they'll lose the beat with some of your stuff, until they hear it a couple of times and figure it out. And they are very experienced musicians. So it's understandable that your band members (who aren't drummers) might have even *more* trouble knowing where the beat goes when playing deceptive fills that are improvised (and even if they don't, it can't be very nice to be focusing on keeping the beat, instead of just playing comfortably). Wouldn't you have more freedom if they had the click running? My band doesn't have a click system for all of us set up yet, so I try to lay low on these things, because I've lost them a couple of times, even though they are quite talented musicians, and I just don't like that. Sorry if this was unnecessarily long, but I wanted to explain the reasons I have for thinking it's something useful.

Fox.

euphoric_anomaly

06-28-2010, 07:05 AM

Fox622003

06-28-2010, 07:46 AM

Fox,

I find it easier to "feel" the beat subconsciously, or hum along to it. I've been quite distracted by a click. The only time I used a click was when I was practicing odd times and I needed to know exactly where the "one" was. Other than that, the click does nothing but distract me. But to each their own, of course.

No, no, but Gavin *plays* to a click on most songs. It's got the advantage of keeping the tempo perfectly, and it might also help on playing some intricate stuff more subdivided and keeping it perfectly in time. What I am asking is why the click isn't running on the other band members when there are drums, given the rhythmically challenging stuff Gavin plays.
And as for your approach, what does "feel the beat subconsciously" mean? Or hum along to it? Does that mean you're keeping time by yourself and not actually keeping the beat with the fill? In that case, it might get you close, but if you can't keep the beat to the *actual* fill, you won't be 100% precise.

Fox.

euphoric_anomaly

06-28-2010, 09:51 AM

Fox,

What I meant by feeling the beat was knowing what comes next in the song (probably because you've practiced it 600 times). When I "feel" the beat, I don't have to count in my head, or use a click to keep time, it just flows. You are correct, I sometimes lose the tempo during a fill ( might play it too fast etc). I can see your side, and hopefully now you can see mine. :)

Eric

ItalianRicky

06-28-2010, 01:18 PM

hi gavin how're u?
i'm very sad, it's a dark moment for me, and i'm taking some serious decisions for my future.
i', 26 years old and i've realized that is impossible for me to live as a musician.
I haven't the experience, and the basics for this.Howewer, only a few here in Italy can have that kind of life.
So i decided, for the next 2\3 years, to focus myself on the career building, and spend my energy in develop my skills in my work (shoes design for woman).
As a consequence, i gotta keep distractions far away and, probably i'll sell my drumset and many others things (as playstation, comics, and other things) to keep my mind focused on my real objectives.
Probably one day i'll catch sticks in hands again, but for now, i gotta say goodbye to this passion, for myself.(but i'll continue to train myself on pad ^_^)
do you have never feel something like this in your youth?
do you think that i'm doing the wrong thing?

cheers from Italy
Riccardo
ps:i'll continue to read your posts here, can i? =)

Gavin Harrison

06-28-2010, 04:15 PM

Hi anders_slåke

What kind of shell material and what kind of shell type does your drums consists of?

My European set is Maple
toms are "thin" shell
floor toms are "medium" shell
bass drum is "heavy" shell

Hi euphoric_anomaly

Have you ever considered or played with the idea of placing another floor tom to the left of your hi-hat? Do you think that would increase the number of musical "shapes" you could accomplish?

I have experimented with it from time to time - and some interesting shapes can appear from it.

Take the intro to Unsettled for example, would having the other floor tom throw off the natural flow of the beat, or would it make it any easier?

In the case of that intro I think I would find it more difficult if I had to split my hands and try to play a floor tom off to the left of the hi hat. I've used the same configuration of drum set up for the last 25 years so I'm very comfortable with the way everything is laid out - and quite often I voice things without thinking too much about them. My hands just know where to go.

Hi pixelbreaker

The first time I saw you guys was back in April at the Riviera in Chicago. I remember standing in the wrong line, it was the "fan club only" line. I also mentioned earlier that I was going to be at the Nashville show on the 22nd of August, and this time I would like to join the fan club... how can I do that?

That is a thing called "Residents Of a Blank Planet" ROABP - and I don't know if we are still running that program. Have a dig around the burningshed.com website.

Hi adityasonakia

Do you use any Drum Notation Software? Could you tell me which one do you use?

I don't really use any notation software. I can mess around with the stuff on "Logic 9".

Hi Fox622003

Alright, a couple of posts ago you wrote that there's no click going on for your band members while you're playing. What advantage do you see to this?

Generally they don't want to hear a click and a drummer - they prefer to play to one or the other. There are a couple of exceptions where one band member wanted a click - like during the rhythm to "Bonnie The Cat" for instance.

Wouldn't you have more freedom if they had the click running?

Yes if I was really going to lay some very complex rhythmic illusion on them - but I don't.

Hi ItalianRicky

So i decided, for the next 2\3 years, to focus myself on the career building, and spend my energy in develop my skills in my work (shoes design for woman).
Probably one day i'll catch sticks in hands again, but for now, i gotta say goodbye to this passion, for myself.(but i'll continue to train myself on pad ^_^)
do you have never feel something like this in your youth?
do you think that i'm doing the wrong thing?

I didn't feel like that in my youth - and there were more opportunities back then to get employment as a musician. Trying to make a living out of music these days is a miracle. A large majority of people don't buy CDs anymore (they just download them for free) - and the 'online' sales are mostly very low.
http://flowingdata.com/2010/06/04/how-little-musicians-earn-online/
Playing live is one of the few areas you*could* make money - if you are in a popular band. But even then it's full of expenses that could sink you. We are quite often asked "please come to ******(insert your home town here)*****" but the practicalities are just too expensive. We got offered some dates in South America but the flights and freight alone added up to a LOT more than the fee. And that's without paying the crew/agent or leaving any profit for the band.
So I don't think you are necessarily doing the wrong thing.

cheers
Gavin

nolonx

06-28-2010, 05:08 PM

Hi ItalianRicky

So i decided, for the next 2\3 years, to focus myself on the career building, and spend my energy in develop my skills in my work (shoes design for woman).
Probably one day i'll catch sticks in hands again, but for now, i gotta say goodbye to this passion, for myself.(but i'll continue to train myself on pad ^_^)
do you have never feel something like this in your youth?
do you think that i'm doing the wrong thing?

I didn't feel like that in my youth - and there were more opportunities back then to get employment as a musician. Trying to make a living out of music these days is a miracle. A large majority of people don't buy CDs anymore (they just download them for free) - and the 'online' sales are mostly very low.
http://flowingdata.com/2010/06/04/how-little-musicians-earn-online/
Playing live is one of the few areas you*could* make money - if you are in a popular band. But even then it's full of expenses that could sink you. We are quite often asked "please come to ******(insert your home town here)*****" but the practicalities are just too expensive. We got offered some dates in South America but the flights and freight alone added up to a LOT more than the fee. And that's without paying the crew/agent or leaving any profit for the band.
So I don't think you are necessarily doing the wrong thing.

cheers
Gavin

That's not exactly encouraging for another 26 years old that would like to live as a musician :). Still, I think the world of music is huge and I don't think we should throw everything away because it's difficult.

Maybe we won't become the next Gavin or play in a professional band, but there are other things out there related to music. I'm a software developer, so I could mix the two things and develop some new revolutionary music software. Or I could be a composer for videogames tracks. And so on..

In the mean time we can try as hard as possible to find work as drummers and hope to be lucky. But luck won't come if you don't work for it. It's like wishing to win the lottery without buying the ticket.

Take Benny Greb. He's not much older than us (30), and yet he's doing great and getting recognized and appreciated every day more!

You have to believe in something for it to happen, I think.

ItalianRicky

06-28-2010, 09:06 PM

That's not exactly encouraging for another 26 years old that would like to live as a musician :). Still, I think the world of music is huge and I don't think we should throw everything away because it's difficult.

Maybe we won't become the next Gavin or play in a professional band, but there are other things out there related to music. I'm a software developer, so I could mix the two things and develop some new revolutionary music software. Or I could be a composer for videogames tracks. And so on..

In the mean time we can try as hard as possible to find work as drummers and hope to be lucky. But luck won't come if you don't work for it. It's like wishing to win the lottery without buying the ticket.

Take Benny Greb. He's not much older than us (30), and yet he's doing great and getting recognized and appreciated every day more!

You have to believe in something for it to happen, I think.

thanks nolonx, but i can say that gavin tell me exactly what i thought in those days.
and i don't want fake hopes.
i cannot live with music.
i can gain something..but actually, by 7 year my balance is in a continuos loss of money.
drums are an really expensive instrument, and if not for the buying moment, for keep it at maximum sound.skins, cymbal, sticks...we're not all endorser!and for someone that gainb 1000\1300 euro at month, can be a sacrifice.And one day?you'll find an obstacle, that requires money..i dunno...buy a car?buy an house?find a girlfriend and create a family?all those things requires time and MONEY.it's only a question of priorities.
and i haven't told that i wanna stop forever...when the situation can be faced with a good finance situation, i probably come back to sit behind drums.an sq2 drumset i suppose...and golden madrone, absolutely!
thank you gavin, you're a very good person.Every time that i read your answers, i wish to become a mature man as you, if i cannot become an amazing drummer.This is the first motivation that make me continue to stay in this forum, and overall, on this thread.

thank you.
Riccardo

Joe Morris

06-29-2010, 03:04 AM

Gavin Harrison is an excellent drummer. I really dig his over riding stuff. I have stolen that concept from him and it has really smoothed out some of my odd time stuff. I know Vinnie did a lot of it but Gavin explained it great.

SantiBanks

06-29-2010, 01:17 PM

But luck won't come if you don't work for it. It's like wishing to win the lottery without buying the ticket.

You have to believe in something for it to happen, I think.

Well I agree with you. But I agree with Gavin the most, times are changed and its difficult to make a good living out of being a professional musician.

Its a sad but a harsh truth, it's very difficult to keep up and make a good living out of music. Take a guy like Vinnie Colaiuta. He is playing on records by (and I'm not kidding) The pussycat dolls, Lindsay Lohan, Anastacia, Destiny's Child, backstreet boys, Hillary Duff, Christina Aguilera,Enrique Iglesias. Now regardless if you like the music or not, it contrasts against the things he does with Alan Holdsworth, Chick Corea, Frank Zappa and Mike Stern. And of course, he rather likes to play with Zappa then with Hillary Duff (musically speaking…) but he has to make a living, support a family and pay the bills…

I understand ItalianRicky and his thoughts are exactly why Im not in the music business, or even attempting to be doing that. Even if we are as talented and as good as Gavin, it still doesn't guarantee a steady income… No matter how hard you work for it… It's a very uncertain industry. One year you are one of the most demanded session players, the next year you get just one phonecall. Difficult to keep up with that.

Trying to make a living out of music these days is a miracle. A large majority of people don't buy CDs anymore (they just download them for free) - and the 'online' sales are mostly very low.
http://flowingdata.com/2010/06/04/how-little-musicians-earn-online/

cheers
Gavin
Yes totally agree with that. I think that a band like Porcupine Tree is "lucky" to still sell their music. I'm sure a lot of people download it but there is still a "loyal" fanbase that buys everything you guys put out. Anesthetise is sold out at amazon, the special editions where sold out pretty quick, the incident and fear of a blank planet sold pretty well I believe.
However, I totally agree that sales are going down and that it affects the smaller bands the most.
I remember when I was a "kid" (at primary school). Albums went gold and platina very quick. Take the singles from the Spice Girls or the Backstreet Boys (that was fashionable when I was in primary school). I bought every single of the Spice Girls and the albums they brought out (yes I admit). That stuff went multiple platina in a matter of time! The number one in the hit-charts usually earned that status pretty quick (and I believe platina meant 150.000 sold).
Nowadays, its a miracle to get "gold" status. I can't remember the last time I saw a song go platina, let alone multiple platina. Times have changed…

nolonx

06-29-2010, 03:21 PM

I understand ItalianRicky and his thoughts are exactly why Im not in the music business, or even attempting to be doing that.

I can understand ItalianRicky. After all he tried for 7 years before giving up. But not trying at all doesn't make sense for me (IF music/drumming is what you really would like to do for a living of course).

There are still a lot of bands out there, as far as I can see. Some of them succeed, other fail and disappear and I think it's quite normal. Following your thoughts we shouldn't see any new band/artist coming out.
I'll repeat myself, if you don't even try, you'll surely won't have a chance to make your dream come true.

I respect your opinion and your choice of course, I don't want to sound trollish and start a flame war. :)

Times have changed…

Then, maybe, we need to change with them.

Swiss Matthias

06-29-2010, 03:26 PM

And of course, he rather likes to play with Zappa then with Hillary Duff (musically speaking…) but he has to make a living, support a family and pay the bills…

How do you know?
I'd say variety is a valuable thing in a musician's life. I personally like to be involved in completely different projects and things.

astroandy

06-29-2010, 03:46 PM

Hi Gavin,

I don't know of this has been asked already. There are now 4 shows scheduled for PT in october, and I (and a lot of other people) wonder, if there is something special with these shows. Some are expecting an acoustic set, don't now where these rumors come from. Can you tell us, what we can expect then? Or is it that special, that it has to be kept secret?

Thanks

Andy

Ramtin HajatDoust

06-29-2010, 04:12 PM

Hi
Dear Gavin

I am very glad to see you on facebook…
I have downloaded some parts of your new DVD (Rhythmic Design), you have cistern (tank of water) behind your kit in front of your bass drum. Did you use it for recording sound of your bass drum as effect or other things …
Would please explanation about it?

Thanks a lot
Ramtin HajatDoost
Tehran – Iran
(Sorry for my bad English)

SantiBanks

06-29-2010, 09:18 PM

But not trying at all doesn't make sense for me (IF music/drumming is what you really would like to do for a living of course).
There are still a lot of bands out there, as far as I can see. Some of them succeed, other fail and disappear and I think it's quite normal. Following your thoughts we shouldn't see any new band/artist coming out.
I'll repeat myself, if you don't even try, you'll surely won't have a chance to make your dream come true.
I respect your opinion and your choice of course, I don't want to sound trollish and start a flame war. :)
Then, maybe, we need to change with them.
I don't want to go more in detail about this (as that is not the aim of this topic, maybe it's a good idea to have a moderator copy this to a different topic and discussing making a living out of music, as far as that hasn't been discussed here already) but I agree that you should at least have tried it. However, I also think that one should get some sense of realism about it and be very honest to oneself. Some people have high expectations of making fast money in music. That's simply not true :)

How do you know?
I'd say variety is a valuable thing in a musician's life. I personally like to be involved in completely different projects and things.
I agree with that, I like variety too. I see everything as experience, and something that adds to the whole of your style. But I have read that in an interview with him. Hah and if you know Vinnie, you might know what his attitude and behaviour can be sometimes ;)

nolonx

06-30-2010, 12:26 PM

Some people have high expectations of making fast money in music. That's simply not true :)

Never said that. In my case in fact I know I cannot leave my day job today and start living with music alone. That's not possible. My plan is to continue to search for opportunities while I get better with drums and music. If in the future I'll be able to take advantage of some big opportunity and make the definitive switch, perfect. If not then I'll probably be happy anyway because of the time spent on a great hobby ;)

Yes we should stop here and go back in topic now.

carlos ramos

07-01-2010, 01:32 PM

I tried to make live from drums. i played every night on pubs. tried with my band. sometimes we get some good payd shows. but not all the time. i had dificult times because of money.
right nowidon´t give up of living from music. i think that could be possible. from drums only i think it is almost impossible....

euphoric_anomaly

07-02-2010, 12:20 AM

Gavin,

Does it ever bore you guys to play the same songs night after night? I can imagine playing "Futile" for the 400th time get's boring.

On another note, I recently had access to a 7 piece Tama drumset, I attempted (that's the keyword) the intro to Unsettled. I didn't have a double pedal, so your substitutions were difficult to pull off, would it be possible to play that intro without a double pedal?

Next up: Bonnie the Cat -- just to practice my ghost notes :)

Thanks

Eric

Swiss Matthias

07-02-2010, 08:46 AM

I didn't have a double pedal, so your substitutions were difficult to pull off, would it be possible to play that intro without a double pedal?

I did it, but not the original tempo. Of course it is possible, why not:)? One just has to be able to pull it off.

ArcsDrums

07-02-2010, 10:33 AM

[QUOTE=euphoric_anomaly;718572]
Does it ever bore you guys to play the same songs night after night? I can imagine playing "Futile" for the 400th time get's boring.
QUOTE]

If I would be getting bored with playing some song over and over again, I think I would make some changes to drum parts and explore new things, make the song not boring for me.

NeuroAxis

07-03-2010, 12:10 AM

Gavin -

Finally got my first peak at the Anesthetize DVD. Fantastic performance, photography, production, mixing. Wouldn't expect any less from you guys. It brings back a lot of really great memories from the Houston date of the same tour that I caught.

You guys must have blown up over night cause I have been trying to get my copy since the day it came out but every music store (local and chain), Amazon, Bestbuy.com, and every other site I tried has been perpetually back ordered since the release date.

So congrats on the success; it's been well earned.

Deathtoll

07-03-2010, 04:57 AM

Gavin, 2 Years ago I won Steve Smiths Signature drum set through a modern drummer contest and they came already pre-tuned so i touched them up and kept the sound they came with. I was looking to try a new sound and was wondering two things, What was your thinking behind the decision on the coated Remo drum heads you have and how do you go about tuning them?

Cheers!

SantiBanks

07-03-2010, 12:42 PM

Hi Gavin,

A small question about the hi-hat sound on "Aim" (from Sanity & Gravity). Which hi-hat are you using? It sounds more hi-pitched and more splashy to me.

Cheers and enjoy the nice summer weather!
Santi

Gavin Harrison

07-03-2010, 01:44 PM

Hi astroandy

I don't know of this has been asked already. There are now 4 shows scheduled for PT in october, and I (and a lot of other people) wonder, if there is something special with these shows. Some are expecting an acoustic set, don't now where these rumors come from. Can you tell us, what we can expect then? Or is it that special, that it has to be kept secret?

I can't tell you what we might play - sorry.

Hi Ramtin HajatDoust

I have downloaded some parts of your new DVD (Rhythmic Design), you have cistern (tank of water) behind your kit in front of your bass drum. Did you use it for recording sound of your bass drum as effect or other things …
Would please explanation about it?

Where have you downloaded it from? If you have the whole thing - there's a section on there where I explain about the water bottle.

Hi euphoric_anomaly

Does it ever bore you guys to play the same songs night after night? I can imagine playing "Futile" for the 400th time get's boring.

I try to very subtly change little things and try to make it not boring.

On another note, I recently had access to a 7 piece Tama drumset, I attempted (that's the keyword) the intro to Unsettled. I didn't have a double pedal, so your substitutions were difficult to pull off, would it be possible to play that intro without a double pedal?

Absolutely!

Hi Deathtoll

2 Years ago I won Steve Smiths Signature drum set through a modern drummer contest and they came already pre-tuned so i touched them up and kept the sound they came with. I was looking to try a new sound and was wondering two things, What was your thinking behind the decision on the coated Remo drum heads you have and how do you go about tuning them?

I prefer the sound of coated heads - they feel warmer to me. I got tired of the 'plastic attack' that you can get from clear heads. You should check my DVD Rhythmic Designs - I have a section on there about tuning.

Hi SantiBanks

A small question about the hi-hat sound on "Aim" (from Sanity & Gravity). Which hi-hat are you using? It sounds more hi-pitched and more splashy to me.

They are two 8" splash cymbals.

cheers
Gavin

Ramtin HajatDoust

07-03-2010, 11:16 PM

euphoric_anomaly

07-04-2010, 04:59 AM

Gavin,

Near the ending of your "Slippin Away" video from PASIC you do some interesting doubles between the hi-hat and snare. Is that the same trick you used in the intro/verse section of Break? Is that what you call "inverted doubles"?

Eric

SantiBanks

07-04-2010, 01:19 PM

HI
Dear Gavin

I have downloaded them from your page in Drummerworld.com ...some trailer about your Rhythmic Designs DVD...
Is it possible for you to explain about the water bottle? your DVD and other Products of Hudson Music and other companies does not exist here at all...

Thanks a lot,

Best Regards,
Ramtin HajatDoost
Tehran - Iran
There has been some explanation about it already in this topic. But I'll summarize it for you.

The water bottle is (of course) empty and placed in front of the kickdrum. There is a small lavalier microphone in it (lavalier mics are those clip on mics you see a lot on television etc. ). Whenever the kickdrum is hit by the batter, the air in the bottle vibrates and gives a low sound. The microphone that hangs in it records this. It is then mixed with the other kickdrum microphones.

The idea is that this bottle gives more low-end to the sound of the kickdrum. The bass punch. Combined with the other mics, it makes up for a very punchy, clear but harmonically rich kickdrum sound.

Clone285051

07-04-2010, 11:32 PM

Hi Gavin,

Thank you for the wonderful performance saturday at Rock Werchter (Belgium). It looks like you're drumming into another dimension ... every fill, accent, groove was just perfect !!

Actually every bandmember is amazing. There's sush a chemistry in the air.

Are you on tour in Europe with PT ?

Greetings from the small country ;) !

Kalma

07-04-2010, 11:47 PM

Hi Gavin,

a few days ago I've been in the Studio to record drums for a friend.

I used my Zildjian K 20" Ride.
It sounds wonderful, but when I hit the ride-bell it was so loud on the record, you can't imagine. Also when i tried to hit it very light -> same problem.
Finally, we put some tape under the bell....
On the final recording, we also EQ'ed the high frequencies from the ride-mic a bit down.

Do you have the same problems with your ride cymbals? If so, how do you solve these problems?

Thanks very much
David

Rítmico

07-05-2010, 03:23 AM

Hi Gavin!!!

I‘m listening the Porcupine tree record in Atlanta. I really like your drumset sound. I made the download at burningshed.

When I compare the sound of your drums on this record with the sound of the Porcupine tree on "Arriving somewhere" DVD, it‘s a little bit different.

In "Arriving somewhere" you used a Sonor Delite drumset, what is your drumset on PT Atlanta record?

Is it a SQ2? If yes, you used your golden madrone or tribal finish?

The SQ2 shell configuration of your american and euro drumset are the same?

Thanks for your suport Gavin, I really like the way that you play the drums and you give me a great inspiration.

Marcos (from Brazil)

Russ Morse

07-05-2010, 04:33 AM

Gavin,
I have enjoyed the Rhythmic Visions/Horizons DVD's and the Rhythmic Designs
DVD. Your rhythmic creativity with P.T. and 05Ric is awesome(Bonnie the cat,& Unsettled
are my favs.). I read a qoute from an interview that you and Ric mainly traded files back and forth,in your seperate studios and were never in the room.Besides being miles apart,
did you guys have any transfer issues between D.A.W.s? I've been attempting to do the same with a fellow drummer /percussionist on the opposite side of the state with little
avail.I am curious at how you went about this,and if any issues caused problems.
any advise/input is welcome. I also read in Drummer that after the P.T. tour and alittle time
off you mentioned doing something different.Any hints to what that is?

Thanks for all the incredible drumming,
Russ

tobiashula

07-06-2010, 01:30 PM

Hi Gavin,

A few days ago I read an article about your recording equipment on the internet. It was mentioned that you use the Apogee Rosetta 800. Now I would like to ask you how do you get such an amazing drum sound on the PT records with only 8 channels in Logic? Because I read that you are using a wide range of microphones (at least more than 8). Do you mix some parts (f.e. the Overheads and ambient microphones) and group it to one channel?

Best regards,
Tobi

madsurfer

07-06-2010, 02:40 PM

Hi Gavin!

I've just listened to the "new" (2004) version of Porcupine Tree's "Up The Dowstairs" where you recorded new drums tracks to replace the beatbox. Congratulations! The album was always one of my favourite, but I never liked the rythms, that is till you put yours!

I have 3 questions about your performance:
- How did you do that? Just playing along the record?
- Did you get inspirations from the old rythms?
- Did you get instructions from Steven Wilson about the way of playing drums?

Thanks in advance to take the time for a short answer, it will be appreciated... :)

Cheers
Jerome

Gavin Harrison

07-07-2010, 12:05 AM

Hi Ramtin HajatDoust

Is it possible for you to explain about the water bottle?

SantiBanks answers it perfectly.

Hi euphoric_anomaly

Near the ending of your "Slippin Away" video from PASIC you do some interesting doubles between the hi-hat and snare. Is that the same trick you used in the intro/verse section of Break? Is that what you call "inverted doubles"?

No it's something different. There are two notes with the right hand (on the hi hat) and two with the left hand (on the snare drum) plus a left foot pedal in there too.

Hi Clone285051

Are you on tour in Europe with PT ?

Not really. We're just playing a few festivals and some occasional shows of our own.

Hi Kalma

I used my Zildjian K 20" Ride.
It sounds wonderful, but when I hit the ride-bell it was so loud on the record, you can't imagine.Do you have the same problems with your ride cymbals? If so, how do you solve these problems?

Some of those 20" K Rides can have quite loud bells. That's why I like it in a live situation - it really cuts through the loud sections of music. Yes in a studio it can be quite pronounced - I don't generally need a mic on it in a studio - I just let it come through the overheads. I have a lot of different rides I use in a studio session - I usually pick the one that sounds right for the track and has the right balance for the kind of music I might be playing to.

Hi Rítmico

I‘m listening the Porcupine tree record in Atlanta. I really like your drumset sound. I made the download at burningshed. When I compare the sound of your drums on this record with the sound of the Porcupine tree on "Arriving somewhere" DVD, it‘s a little bit different.In "Arriving somewhere" you used a Sonor Delite drumset, what is your drumset on PT Atlanta record?

I think it's the SQ2 Madrone set.

The SQ2 shell configuration of your american and euro drumset are the same?

No the American one is Vintage shell (like DeLight) and the Euro one is "thin" for the rack toms - "medium" for the floor toms - and "heavy" for the bass drum.

Hi Russ Morse

I read a qoute from an interview that you and Ric mainly traded files back and forth,in your seperate studios and were never in the room.Besides being miles apart,
did you guys have any transfer issues between D.A.W.s?

Generally we send files that are AAC .m4a so that the file size is quite small. MP3 has a problem - they add a small gap at the start of the file which completely messes up the timing when you drop them into your DAW program. The AAC doesn't have that problem and actually sound better too.

Hi tobiashula

A few days ago I read an article about your recording equipment on the internet. It was mentioned that you use the Apogee Rosetta 800.

I have two of them for 16 channels of input.

Hi madsurfer

I've just listened to the "new" (2004) version of Porcupine Tree's "Up The Dowstairs"
I have 3 questions about your performance:
- How did you do that? Just playing along the record?

Yes

- Did you get inspirations from the old rythms?

the old rhythms we're just loops - so I tried to play something similar to them.

- Did you get instructions from Steven Wilson about the way of playing drums?

no.

cheers
Gavin

Mike St.Clair

07-07-2010, 03:53 AM

I never tire of watching and listening to you play Gavin. Thanks for the inspiration, even though I haven't truly played in many, many years.

Ramtin HajatDoust

07-07-2010, 09:08 AM

Thanks a lot dear Gavin & SantiBanks

Wow that's great ...I will check it ...I used to 16"x4" tom (with one head and Audix i5 microphone) in front of my kick for add effect to my kick and it gave me the mid range of my kick's sound with long sustain ....

Thank you & Best Regards,
Ramtin HajatDoost
Tehran - Iran

SantiBanks

07-07-2010, 12:29 PM

Gavin,

Now we are on the subject of the "waterbottle". How long have you been using this trick? For some reason the kick sound on the Nil Recurring EP seems fatter and deeper (according to my subwoofer) then on Fear of a blank planet. Is this perhaps a result of mixing? (I have the FOABP dvd-a with the nil recurring tracks as bonus material in 5.1 surround.)

Also, I just got my copy of the Chick Corea Elektric Band @ montreux 2004. Weckl is using this device on his snare drum:
http://www.remo.com/portal/products/2/610/612/ds_snare_damp.html
Have you tried it and what are your thoughts on it? It seems to give him a more punchy and tighter snare sound.

Santi

@Ramtin HajatDoust:
In case you are having "trouble" with the longer sustain that comes from your technique, (interesting btw!) then you can cut out the longer sustain by using a gate effect. But of course, longer sustain is a matter of taste.

Garrett

07-08-2010, 06:28 AM

Hey Gavin again. I'm really sorry this is off topic, but its a question about your show in Radio City Music Hall, New York. Do you guys permit photography? I would absolutely love to take photographs of you guys with my SLR, but I don't want it to get confiscated because it's expensive. Thanks!

willregnier

07-08-2010, 06:09 PM

Hi Gavin,

I have a couple of questions for you

1. Could you tell us the way (path) the sound makes from your mics to your computer?
example: drums --> mics --> mixer --> apogee rosetta 800 (x2) --> computer...

I hope that you'll understand my question (I have to work a bit on my english!)

2. In a previous post, you said that sometime you don't mic your K ride because it's quite loud. But in some videos of you I saw that your ride was miced. Or maybe it is just the overhead? Can you tell us what mic it is?

3. I've just received my Anesthetize DVD and it's mind blowing! Could you tell us what crash setup did you use? It's seems to be 3 A's... 19'' 15'' 18'' maybe? Are they standard A's or A Projection crash or other?...

Thanks for your time for answering all those questions
and thanks for inspiring us and sharing your passion with us!

Take care

Will Régnier

teal

07-09-2010, 12:44 AM

Hey Gavin,

I just had a few questions about your snare.

In all the videos from your DVD I've watched, Every single time, it's your snare's perfect pop that always stands out for me. I noticed it seems you have a 13" instead of the more common 14", but I was mostly curious to know what heads you use, and how it is tuned?

Thanks,
Alex

jordster1991

07-09-2010, 12:56 AM

hey Gavin
i was wondering what your opinion was on my band http://www.youtube.com/user/jordster1991#p/a/u/1/BgrhXclgiJM
thanks
Jordan

Russ Morse

07-09-2010, 04:13 AM

Gavin,
I've got a couple of questions! First on "Bonnie the Cat",at the songs intro when you
crash in,did you displace the hi-hat a 16th note or am I just not counting it right?Second,
how do you deal with snare buzz?(I've never heard your snare buzz on any recording,or on your DVDs') I read you use a 12" snare drum, does this help to keep the buzz to a minimum?
Thanks,
Russ

Gus

07-09-2010, 09:47 AM

Hi Gavin

Welcome to Spain! You´ll find people getting mad about football!! :-)

Have you ever tried the Sonor Phonic snare?

For those who don´t know it, is a 12 ply wood snare (beech-maple), very succesful in the 80´s, and reiussed on 2001 by Sonor. Great sounding drum!

Greetings

Gustavo

aydee

07-09-2010, 11:59 AM

here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gICTKCt1Gc

Gavin Harrison

07-09-2010, 12:04 PM

Hi SantiBanks

Now we are on the subject of the "waterbottle". How long have you been using this trick?

I've only used it on the "Incident" and my recent DVD Rhythmic Designs.

Hi Garrett

I'm really sorry this is off topic, but its a question about your show in Radio City Music Hall, New York. Do you guys permit photography?

No we don't - so you're best off not bringing it with you.

Hi willregnier

1. Could you tell us the way (path) the sound makes from your mics to your computer?
example: drums --> mics --> mixer --> apogee rosetta 800 (x2) --> computer...

you've got it absolutely correct.

2. In a previous post, you said that sometime you don't mic your K ride because it's quite loud. But in some videos of you I saw that your ride was miced. Or maybe it is just the overhead? Can you tell us what mic it is?

Probably it wasn't the K Ride. Sometimes the mic is still there but I choose not to use it in the mixing stage.

3. I've just received my Anesthetize DVD and it's mind blowing! Could you tell us what crash setup did you use? It's seems to be 3 A's... 19'' 15'' 18'' maybe? Are they standard A's or A Projection crash or other?...

Yes it's 19" 15" and 18" and they are all standard A Customs.

Hi jordster1991

i was wondering what your opinion was on my band

sorry but I don't do 'opinions'. I don't have the time and don't want to be in the position of giving critique.

Hi Russ Morse

I've got a couple of questions! First on "Bonnie the Cat",at the songs intro when you
crash in,did you displace the hi-hat a 16th note or am I just not counting it right?

When you hear the first crash that is the 'one'. It's a little bit of an odd pattern - basically it's just a pattern of four bars of 4/4 - you might find a transcription of it on this thread if you go back a little bit.

how do you deal with snare buzz?(I've never heard your snare buzz on any recording,or on your DVDs') I read you use a 12" snare drum, does this help to keep the buzz to a minimum?

I keep the buzz to a minimum by carefully tuning the snare away from the pitch of the toms. I also use a Puresound Custom snare 12 strand cut down to just 8 strands and it's on pretty tight. The size of the snare drum doesn't really matter.

Hi Gus

Have you ever tried the Sonor Phonic snare?

no I haven't - but I like the look of it.

cheers
Gavin

Ramtin HajatDoust

07-09-2010, 06:43 PM

Hello
Dear Gavin

How are you? I hope you are good.
One of my friends liked style of my playing and recording sound of my drums and asked me that I record the drum line of his album in my home studio, but I do not know anything about the contract of recording drums.

Does it have a standard contract for this work and how can I get it with details? Can I download it from websites or contact someone that he could help me?

Is it usual that I want him to register my name, website, email and my equipments like brand of drum shell, heads, cymbals, microphones, etc in brochure or catalogue of his album that I used them?

I am very hard work on my drums …Please help me because this contract and this work do not usual here and I prefer it would be official even in my first project.

Thank you and Best Regards,
Ramtin HajatDoost
Tehran -Iran

Ramtin HajatDoust

07-09-2010, 07:06 PM

Hello
Dear Gavin

Which wood and with what diameter (thin,medium,thick) do you advise me for recording in studio for tom toms, kick and snare? Maple, Birch or combine of them or other wood .

@Santi:
Thank you for your help I will research more about the Gate effect

Thank you and Best Regards,
Ramtin HajatDoost
Tehran -Iran

jordster1991

07-09-2010, 07:38 PM

hey Gavin
i was wondering what your opinion was on my band http://www.youtube.com/user/jordster.../1/BgrhXclgiJM
thanks
Jordan

omer

07-09-2010, 09:22 PM

hey gavin
i just wanted to say that the PT show here in Israel was absolutely amazing! probably the best show i've ever went to.
your drumming was mind blowing! especially your solo at the end of hatesong

i hope you guys had a good time in our little country
and i hope next time you will come you will do a clinic :)

cheers
omer

Fox622003

07-10-2010, 02:03 AM

hey Gavin
i was wondering what your opinion was on my band http://www.youtube.com/user/jordster.../1/BgrhXclgiJM
thanks
Jordan

Hi jordster1991

i was wondering what your opinion was on my band

sorry but I don't do 'opinions'. I don't have the time and don't want to be in the position of giving critique.

He already answered you. And requests of this type were also already discussed in previous posts.

Fox.

SantiBanks

07-10-2010, 02:17 AM

hey Gavin
i was wondering what your opinion was on my band http://www.youtube.com/user/jordster.../1/BgrhXclgiJM
thanks
Jordan

Jordan, Gavin already replied to you that he doesn't give critique, feedback or opinions on material from others. That's his choice so please respect that. We are all very grateful that he comes here so often and answers all our questions, something which he does for years now. That's his humbleness. Please respect it instead of keep asking for feedback. If you want some feedback, feel free to post your music in other topics/sections of the forum where other members can and will give you feedback.

«sorry but I don't do 'opinions'. I don't have the time and don't want to be in the position of giving critique.»

@Ramtin HajatDoust: no problem :) I hope it works out well for you.

@Gavin: Thanks for your answer! Btw, Metheny is on tour with the group quartet (lyle mays, steve rodby and antonio sanchez) in Europe, in case you are interested…

Fabio

07-10-2010, 03:12 AM

Hi Gavin, i would to know information.
In your 5 wonderful "Custom-Chimes"
i usually listen one of these play a particular sound..
I don't know explain the exact "harmony" but i love it!

-Maybe the 2nd bell to left from 8" tom-

I know to say you just that he is most "composed" of others 4 bells and he haven't high tones like others 4.
Is really most "deaf" but particular, really lovely.
I hear he's sound like "mellow".. i don't know esactly.
(i hope is a correct "key-word" ^__^)

So, thanx for attention and sorry for "hard description" :)
i would to know from which kind of cymbal he comes.
(Was a splash or crash)

Greetings from Rome!

Fabio.

Chief2112

07-11-2010, 05:17 AM

Gavin -

First of all I'm a bit overwhelmed as I've spent the last 3 plus hours reading every bit of the 116 pages of comments in this thread. It's absolutely wonderful and gracious of you to take the time to answer so many questions from fans and admirers of yours. Bravo for that kind sir!!

I wish I had something intelligent to ask you but the truth is that I just started learning to play the drums barely two weeks ago and at the ripe old age of 41. I've always been a huge fan of drummers and I have no clue why it's taken this long but it has and in just a few weeks I'm already knee deep into anything and everything drum related. I can't practice enough. I know I have a long road ahead and it's probably too late for me to ever be a great drummer but I'm having fun.

And I can say that you and the music of Porcupine Tree is a large reason why I have started learning to play. My daughter and I both are really into PT and she has even been inspired by Steven and started to learn to play the guitar. She's only 13. My wife and I wen to Cincy to see you perform live for the first time back in May and we will be in NYC in September (with our daughter for her first ever rock show) to see you play at Radio City Music Hall. We can't wait!!

I guess if I was to ask anything of you right this moment it would be what advice you would have for someone just starting to learn to play? Thanks again for taking the time to spend with us here and good luck in all of your future endeavors. See you in September!!

Jonathan

Fox622003

07-11-2010, 03:37 PM

And I can say that you and the music of Porcupine Tree is a large reason why I have started learning to play.

Just starting to play and you can already look up to Gavin's work? That's great; many of us were fooled by stuff that wasn't important when we were just starting out, and didn't have the ability to see through.

Fox.

euphoric_anomaly

07-11-2010, 09:26 PM

Gavin,

Are there any time signatures that are still challenging for you?

Also, are there any genre's of music that you would find challenging? (salsa, african jungle music, polka).

In every genre of music that I've heard you play to, you make it sound like that genre is your specialty.

Jzoe

07-15-2010, 11:33 PM

Hi to everyone!

First of all, I just want to thank you, Gavin, for your patience, all of your hard work and "know-how" that you're sharing with us all. I really admire you and the way you give a new dimension to drum playing.

The real reason for posting is to check out, all of you guys, this band from Belgrade, Serbia and listen to some rhytmic illusion :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIV6dQH6Xbw

Follow the link, you won't be dissapointed :)))

SantiBanks

07-16-2010, 10:37 AM

Hi to everyone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIV6dQH6Xbw

Follow the link, you won't be dissapointed :)))
Awesome! That could be something Chick Corea would have penned for the Chick Corea Elektric Band. I hear a lot of Dave Weckl in the drums. Good stuff man :)

Gavin Harrison

07-16-2010, 01:09 PM

Hi Ramtin HajatDoust

Does it have a standard contract for this work and how can I get it with details? Can I download it from websites or contact someone that he could help me?

I don't have a standard contract - and have never used one for recording sessions.

Is it usual that I want him to register my name, website, email and my equipments like brand of drum shell, heads, cymbals, microphones, etc in brochure or catalogue of his album that I used them?

Not really - when it is your solo album or your band album then I think it's a good time to thank your equipment companies and mention their names. I don't do that when I play on other peoples records.

Which wood and with what diameter (thin,medium,thick) do you advise me for recording in studio for tom toms, kick and snare? Maple, Birch or combine of them or other wood .

All of those are good. It just comes down to personal preference.

Hi Fabio

Hi Gavin, i would to know information.
In your 5 wonderful "Custom-Chimes"
i usually listen one of these play a particular sound..
I don't know explain the exact "harmony" but i love it!
-Maybe the 2nd bell to left from 8" tom-

yes that particular one is a cut down splash cymbal. All the others used to be crash cymbals before I cut them.

Hi Chief2112

I guess if I was to ask anything of you right this moment it would be what advice you would have for someone just starting to learn to play?

Just enjoy playing the drums and get yourself a good teacher.

Hi euphoric_anomaly

Are there any time signatures that are still challenging for you?

They all are. I'm still trying to find new angles in any time signature.

Also, are there any genre's of music that you would find challenging? (salsa, african jungle music, polka).

I have played a lot of different genres in my time - and to be really proficient in any of them you need to absorb a lot of stuff and listen to the genre that you're trying to play. Therefore I find rock/funk/jazz comes easier to me because I grew up listening to a lot of it.

Cheers
Gavin

willregnier

07-16-2010, 08:46 PM

Hi Gavin,

In a previous post, you said that your toms was thin maple, your floor toms medium maple and bass drum thick maple. Could you tell us how many ply does this mean?
Example: toms = thin maple (6 ply)
floor toms = medium maple (8 ply)
bass drum = thick maple (10 ply)

Thanks

Take care
Will

Simo

07-18-2010, 01:59 PM

Hi Gav!

Was watching the new Anesthetize DVD the other day and had a random thought/question:

What's your thoughts in regards to footwear while drumming? Do you always use a specific kind of shoe? Are you comfortable playing barefoot? Or would that be cramping Steven's style? :)

I find playing barefoot surprisingly difficult, I'm so used to utilising the weight of my shoe all the time.

ChrisGau

07-18-2010, 05:19 PM

Hi Gavin,

thanks to PT for going through the effort and not only putting together Anesthetize as DVD but also as Blu-Ray. I know that you guys seem to buy in to high quality media pretty much, but a Blu-Ray is nothing you see very often from bands with tight budgets.

I can only say... it was absolutely worth it. Given the difficult lighting environment, the picture quality is very good. I watched it on 2.5m screen and it was really pleasing. The high resolution material provides so many details to watch that you can hardly get in one go. Also, Blu-Ray gives you much nicer colors which captures the tasteful lightshow and the interaction between music and the projections in a nice way. I can only recommand this "enhanced" version of the concert to everyone owning a Blu-Ray Player.

Irrespective of the media, I liked the way the action on the stage was captured. Especially the various cameras that were mounted in all sorts of places brought a lot of details without having camera men running arround on the stage. It must have also been much less distracting for the audience in Tilburg. I especially liked the camera on your right side of your set - the one that you were looking into the one or the other time.

Given the very artful approach Lasse Hoile chose for Arriving Somewhere, Anesthetize seems to concentrate more on capturing the real athmosphere the band creates live. No fancy experiments with colors and optical effects. It reminded me pretty much of what I saw and felt during my first first PT show (The Incident) last year which is probably as good as it gets.

Congratulations. I can only hope that this wasn´t the last PT Blu-Ray.

wootee

07-18-2010, 10:31 PM

Fox622003

07-19-2010, 01:52 AM

Hey Gavin,

I really admire your approach to double bass drumming, I have never tried the double pedal simply because I never wanted to play all the cliched double patterns we've been bombarded with over the years. Your playing approach is very refreshing, I think I might have to look again at the dreaded double pedal.

Cheers,

Tom.

It's very difficult to imagine drums without a double pedal anymore. You might also like to check Thomas Lang's double pedal work and books; he uses the double pedal a bit more than Gavin, but still creatively.

Fox.

wootee

07-19-2010, 08:26 AM

Swiss Matthias

07-19-2010, 08:41 AM

It's very difficult to imagine drums without a double pedal anymore. You might also like to check Thomas' Lang double pedal work and books; he uses the double pedal a bit more than Gavin, but still creatively.

Fox.
Really? You virtually hear no double pedal in the whole jazz idiom, and there's practically no use for it (or at least no necessity) in most pop music either. Never heard it in country either, and in hip-hop, R&B or gospel many guys are easily able to do their thang with one foot. The same goes for latin music. I think all I've heard there are some licks by virtuosos Horacio Hernandez and Julio Barreto.

SantiBanks

07-19-2010, 12:23 PM

Really? You virtually hear no double pedal in the whole jazz idiom, and there's practically no use for it (or at least no necessity) in most pop music either.
Perhaps you should define "jazz idiom". Are Dave Weckl with the Chick Corea Elektric Band and Mike Stern band, Paul Wertico and Antonio Sanchez with the Pat Metheny Group and Dennis Chambers with John Scofield and The Brecker Brothers part of the "jazz idiom"? If so, these guys play double pedal (well I believe Dennis does the double thing with a single pedal, still I regard double pedal as a "tool" which gives a certain sound, but I also regard double pedal not the only thing that could give that certain sound)

Swiss Matthias

07-19-2010, 02:53 PM

Perhaps you should define "jazz idiom". Are Dave Weckl with the Chick Corea Elektric Band and Mike Stern band, Paul Wertico and Antonio Sanchez with the Pat Metheny Group and Dennis Chambers with John Scofield and The Brecker Brothers part of the "jazz idiom"? If so, these guys play double pedal (well I believe Dennis does the double thing with a single pedal, still I regard double pedal as a "tool" which gives a certain sound, but I also regard double pedal not the only thing that could give that certain sound)
Well you're right, some drummers include double pedal drumming in many fusion type of styles. I didn't mean fusion in particular. By the way I wouldn't call Dave Weckl a double pedal player necessarily. It's certainly not very distinctive for his style. I don't think anyone would hire him because he can play double pedal licks.

wootee

07-19-2010, 03:31 PM

Well you're right, some drummers include double pedal drumming in many fusion type of styles. I didn't mean fusion in particular. By the way I wouldn't call Dave Weckl a double pedal player necessarily. It's certainly not very distinctive for his style. I don't think anyone would hire him because he can play double pedal licks.

I think Gavin and Dave Weckl are where I want to be, great all round drummers with the ability to play most styles well. Wether they play double or single pedal is not really the issue, they're sound is not defined by the amount of pedals they play but how well they're overall playing fits the music. Gavin is like a camellion, he is able to change to fit the music, sign of a great all round player.
If I was in a thrash metal band and I needed a drummer for a recording, you are correct, Dave Weckl is'nt the first name that springs to mind, but if he was sitting in the corner of the studio with his kit and a few hours to spare for the recording I'm sure I wouldn't be too disappointed with the result. Although I'm not sure if he would agree to wear the slipknot mask....haha

Fox622003

07-19-2010, 06:56 PM

Really? You virtually hear no double pedal in the whole jazz idiom, and there's practically no use for it (or at least no necessity) in most pop music either. Never heard it in country either, and in hip-hop, R&B or gospel many guys are easily able to do their thang with one foot. The same goes for latin music. I think all I've heard there are some licks by virtuosos Horacio Hernandez and Julio Barreto.

Well, I said it is difficult to imagine drums, not music. I just believe that the double pedal and double pedal playing are becoming more and more essential to a drummer's set of skills, and a paramount part of the kit for a modern drummer.

Fox.

andSometimesY

07-19-2010, 07:16 PM

Whether it's essential or not can be debated, but I definitely think learning double pedal technique is something worth the relatively short time it takes to become competent. I

Erhan U.

07-19-2010, 09:59 PM

Hello Gavin,

Is it a desperate waiting for a Turkey concert? I don't know how you qualify turkish fans but it would be great to see you with PT in turkey.. Or do i have to catch you in somewhere else ??

Congratulations for all the gorgeous works ..

SantiBanks

07-20-2010, 11:00 AM

Swiss Matthias

07-20-2010, 11:06 AM

But that was not the point of my response. We were talking about the "jazz idiom" and your opinion that there is practically no use for it. I strongly disagree with that.
With the correction that I didn't mean fusion, but swing-ride driven jazz like all the way from dixie to bop plus more open playing.

Of course double pedal playing seems to become "standard" in a drummer's arsenal, I don't deny that at all (and I'm playing one too) I just wanted to point out that there is actually a large amount of music where there's absolutely no need to even include a pedal in your setup.

I should stop hijacking Gavin's thread now.

yothatswack

07-20-2010, 07:24 PM

Hey Gavin,

I wanted to start out thanking you. Your drumming really helped me think outside of the box. (your drumming blows my mind)

I was wondering what bands had a big influence on your drumming. Also what are some great bands you would suggest to practice to?

Thanks,
Nathan

(p.s.) Great magic trick at the end of your show (The Incident tour, house of blues,Orlando)

SantiBanks

07-21-2010, 01:05 AM

Hi Gavin,

Some microphone questions. I recorded a drumkit last sunday for the first time in my life. The recording came out pretty good for the gear we had available (though I still cannot believe my pre-historic macbook was actually able to multitrack record) but I'm concidering to buy some microphones.

What is your typical mic setup for live? Also, have you tried the audix d2's on your toms? Some people on gearsl*tz prefer them over the sennheisers as they sound more accurate and usually don't need to be EQ'ed. Do you have experience with those?

And last, I got a lot of spill in virtually all the mics. Used a lot of gating in the mixdown to keep the signals more clean (like filtering out the hi-hat spill on the snare track). Do you also experience a lot of spill in the mics and if so, what do you do about it (if you actually do anything at all with it)?

Thanks a lot!

Santi

(p.s.) Great magic trick at the end of your show (The Incident tour, house of blues,Orlando)
I'm getting jealous at everybody with that magic trick. Everybody mentions it but I had to leave the venue early to catch the last train home so never saw the now already famous magic trick…

Gavin Harrison

07-21-2010, 02:40 PM

Hi willregnier

In a previous post, you said that your toms was thin maple, your floor toms medium maple and bass drum thick maple. Could you tell us how many ply does this mean?
Example: toms = thin maple (6 ply)
floor toms = medium maple (8 ply)
bass drum = thick maple (10 ply)

Thin is 9 ply (5mm)
Medium is 9 ply (6mm)
Heavy is 12 ply (8mm)

Hi Simo

What's your thoughts in regards to footwear while drumming? Do you always use a specific kind of shoe? Are you comfortable playing barefoot?

I need a flat bottom shoe - I normally wear old style Puma trainers. I can't play barefoot - it really hurts.

Hi Erhan U.

Is it a desperate waiting for a Turkey concert? I don't know how you qualify turkish fans but it would be great to see you with PT in turkey.. Or do i have to catch you in somewhere else ??

We have been trying to organise a concert in Istanbul for a long time now - but so far no success. The logistics are quite complicated to get there.

Hi yothatswack

I was wondering what bands had a big influence on your drumming. Also what are some great bands you would suggest to practice to?

I listened to a lot of jazz when I was growing up and then a bit later I listened to more funk. I particularly liked (and still do) Earth Wind And Fire. I don't know what bands you might like playing along to - have you tried Porcupine Tree?

Hi SantiBanks

What is your typical mic setup for live? Also, have you tried the audix d2's on your toms?

# Bass Drum Shure SM91
# Bass Drum Audix D6
# Snare Top Audix i5
# Snare Bottom Audix i5
# Hi Hat and ride AKG CK391
# Toms Electro Voice N/D 408

I can't remember what the overheads are at the moment. I haven't tried the Audix tom mics.

And last, I got a lot of spill in virtually all the mics. Used a lot of gating in the mixdown to keep the signals more clean (like filtering out the hi-hat spill on the snare track). Do you also experience a lot of spill in the mics and if so, what do you do about it (if you actually do anything at all with it)?

Don't worry about spill - spill is natural - I wouldn't gate things myself. Some mixing engineers like to gently gate the floor toms if they are ringing sympathetically and getting in the way of the low end.

cheers
Gavin

Deltadrummer

07-21-2010, 07:37 PM

Someone shared this wonderful interview with me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM6bDkP37wA&feature=related

anders_slåke

07-21-2010, 08:38 PM

Hey Gavin!

I was just wondering if Porcupine Tree ever has given out any cds/special releases containing songs by the band with the drumming tracks excluded.
I would love to drum together with the band and try some of my own ideas and combine them with yours from your series of books and DVDs. :-)

Also, on this version of Sound of Muzak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFfNk4xGTEwhat is the reso-head on your snare?

Thanks in advance!

yothatswack

07-21-2010, 11:53 PM

Thanks very much for answering my question!
And yes I have been drumming to Porcupine Tree. Still am and probably always will be xD

I was wondering what bands you practice to now?

Thanks
Nathan

SantiBanks

07-21-2010, 11:58 PM

Don't worry about spill - spill is natural - I wouldn't gate things myself. Some mixing engineers like to gently gate the floor toms if they are ringing sympathetically and getting in the way of the low end.

cheers
Gavin

Hi Gavin,

Thanks again for answering my questions! Well I used the gating this time because the mics wheren't setup very well. We had a lot of time pressure and I have no hands on experience. Only a couple of cheap mics, not enough stands and I should have taken my presonus firestudio instead of my motu traveler with me. Ah well everything is a learning experience.

Now I think of it, if I remember well, I think you said some time ago that you used the space designer plugin in logic to add reverb to your drumsound. Which impulse response or preset are you using (or have you tweaked for the matter)? I tried some different settings but no statisfying results so far (but well there is an overload of presets, funny you should reference the overload of choice in the vic firth interviews)

Someone shared this wonderful interview with me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM6bDkP37wA&feature=related
I regard that interview as one of the most inspiring videos I have ever seen and I think that even non drummers or even non musicians can benefit from his views and opinions. Gavin's attitude is exceptional.

Pass.of.E.r.a.

07-23-2010, 05:56 PM

Hello!

I had a quick question about when you do clinics. I was wondering if when performing a piece of music, do you intentionally play a slightly buiser part (more complex fills, and lots of extra frills) to "entertain" the drummers, or do you play what you feel best fits the song?

Also, do you think that if you had been asked to join Porcupine Tree before recording In Absentia, instead of doing it as a session drummer, do you think the parts would of come out differently?

-Jonathan

gibeachhead

07-23-2010, 10:59 PM

Hey Gavin,

Do you yourself ever listen to your own music for leisure after it has been recorded and released? And do you own actual retail releases of your own work?

Thanks in advance!

MyNameIsMud

07-25-2010, 09:13 AM

ZGR8DCVER

07-25-2010, 02:21 PM

hi Gavin,

I just saw your interview with DrummerConnection and I'm really interested in this book you mentioned to help you get in "the zone", nevertheless, I didn't quite get what was the title (sorry, english is not my native language).

Could you write it down for me please?? I would really appreciate it.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about I'll leave you the link to the interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iv13jM0W2w&feature=related

You talk about the book at around 9 minutes in

Not to "chime in" for Gavin. The book he refers to is called "Effortless Mastery: Liberating the Master Musician Within"
Author: Kenny Werner

Link http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mastery-Liberating-Master-Musician/dp/156224003X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280060239&sr=8-1

MyNameIsMud

07-25-2010, 07:19 PM

Not to "chime in" for Gavin. The book he refers to is called "Effortless Mastery: Liberating the Master Musician Within"
Author: Kenny Werner

Link http://www.amazon.com/Effortless-Mastery-Liberating-Master-Musician/dp/156224003X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280060239&sr=8-1

thanks dude, looks like a great book

Nige86

07-26-2010, 04:48 AM

Gavin! I'm absolutley delighted to hear you guys are coming to Belfast Mandela hall! Been waiting years for this! You ever been here before in Northern Ireland?

Gavin Harrison

07-26-2010, 10:36 AM

Hi anders_slåke

I was just wondering if Porcupine Tree ever has given out any cds/special releases containing songs by the band with the drumming tracks excluded.

No we never have.

Also, on this version of Sound of Muzak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFfNk4xGTEwhat is the reso-head on your snare?

That's a Remo Ambassador Hazy on the snare side

Hi yothatswack

I was wondering what bands you practice to now?

It's very rare that I play along to CDs these days. Occasionally I like to put my iPod on shuffle and just see what comes along.

Hi SantiBanks

Now I think of it, if I remember well, I think you said some time ago that you used the space designer plugin in logic to add reverb to your drumsound. Which impulse response or preset are you using (or have you tweaked for the matter)?

I really like the preset that they used to call "Large Wood Room" (back in the days where you had to buy it as a stand alone piece of software) but since the last couple of updates they changed names of some of the presets. I've tweaked it a bit too.

Hi Pass.of.E.r.a.

I had a quick question about when you do clinics. I was wondering if when performing a piece of music, do you intentionally play a slightly buiser part (more complex fills, and lots of extra frills) to "entertain" the drummers, or do you play what you feel best fits the song?

Clinics are a strange format all on their own. It's quite an unreal situation. A majority of the audience are beginners or players in early stages of their development which means they will (more likely than not) be very impressed with speed and flashy technique. There will always be some more experienced players who just want to hear some groove and musicality. So there's the dilemma. I try to pick songs that I think have the right balance of groove and interest. I know if I just play a dead straight groove with no fills for 5 minutes - it will bore a majority of the audience. Likewise I don't want to play all fast and flash either. I try to play something musically interesting that hopefully some folks will understand. You certainly won't please everyone. It's a reasonably thin line in my mind finding the right tunes to play.

Also, do you think that if you had been asked to join Porcupine Tree before recording In Absentia, instead of doing it as a session drummer, do you think the parts would of come out differently?

No - I think I would have played exactly the same.

Hi gibeachhead

Do you yourself ever listen to your own music for leisure after it has been recorded and released? And do you own actual retail releases of your own work?

I have most of the albums that I worked on - but usually I can't bear to listen to them. At least until a few years have gone by anyway.

Hi MyNameIsMud

I just saw your interview with DrummerConnection and I'm really interested in this book

Yes as ZGR8DCVER mentioned Kenny Werner's book "Effortless Mastery" is a very interesting read.

Hi Nige86

Gavin! I'm absolutley delighted to hear you guys are coming to Belfast Mandela hall! Been waiting years for this! You ever been here before in Northern Ireland?

Yes I've been quite a few times before. Although this is probably the first with PT.

cheers
Gavin

jez-

07-26-2010, 09:07 PM

Hello Gavin!

I have a question regarding the Anesthetize DVD. In the beginning of the song Anesthetize, the camera switches to film under your toms. Do I see correctly that you are using the factory/stock drum heads? I'm not sure if they are at the bottom or at the top. If so, what is the reason behind this? I heard that factory or stock drum heads should always be replaced. Is that true?

Gavin Harrison

07-26-2010, 09:55 PM

Hi jez,

yes they are the Sonor clear heads on the bottom. They are made by Remo and are identical to clear Ambassadors - they just have a Sonor badge on them. These are high quality heads - not budget ones. On the tops of the toms are Remo Emperors.

cheers
Gavin

SantiBanks

07-26-2010, 11:11 PM

Hi SantiBanks
I really like the preset that they used to call "Large Wood Room" (back in the days where you had to buy it as a stand alone piece of software) but since the last couple of updates they changed names of some of the presets. I've tweaked it a bit too.
cheers
Gavin

Hi Gavin,
Thanks a lot for that! I found it (it's still in logic 9) and it sounds great! It's a very good impulse. I'm also looking for a nice waterbottle to try the bassdrum trick. I showed it to our drummer and he loved it.
Thanks again for your help.
Cheers,
Santi

henri

07-27-2010, 11:26 AM

hi Gavin,

by curiosity,
Do you have several completely identical drum kit and cymbal set?
one or more for stage, at home to study, etc...?

Do you still enjoy to assemble and disassemble your drum-kit, day after days, month after month?
I know some (rare) drummers want to build it themself before live stage.
are you one of those, Gavin?

have a nice day.

NeuroAxis

07-28-2010, 07:04 AM

Gavin -

I had a quick question about recording. I know you often record drum tracks in your home studio and send them out to bands to complete the recording. I'm doing the same thing currently with one of my bands (recording the drums in a studio and sending the finished drum tracks to another studio to record everything else).

When you do this, do you mix down the drums before you send them off, or do you send pre-FX, pre-fader tracks so as to avoid any frequencies in the drum sound conflicting with frequencies on the other instruments recorded over it?

Thanks so much. By the way I don't think Anesthetize has left my DVD player since I bought it.

Pass.of.E.r.a.

07-28-2010, 07:47 AM

Thank you very much for answering my question Gavin, cheers!

-Jonathan

stonylodge

07-28-2010, 01:33 PM

hey gavin !
i have some question about your 12"x5" snaredrum. which kind of snarewires do you use on your 12"x5" sonor snaredrum? do you cut down your snarewires the same way as on the 14"? to 8 wires ?
i love your sound at the md fest dvd !! how do you get a so dry sounding 12" snaredrum with only a piece of tape ?

greetings from germany,
dennis

Russ Morse

07-29-2010, 04:18 AM

Hi Gavin,
Curious as to what size stick you use nowdays and why.

Kalma

07-30-2010, 11:46 AM

Hi Gavin,

what size does the room have, where you record your drums?
I've got a room with 3,17m x 6m x 2,70m (something like that).

To Christmas I'll get a Sq2 and want start recording in my room.
What kind of acoustik arrangements do you have in your room?
Did you buy absorbers and stuff like that or did you build them on your own?

I thought to build some absorbers and put them in front of the set as I think the room is a bit to long for recording.

What is your opinion?
Thank you very much!

//Edit
I never saw a drumset with "earth finish" in real, and i just found this photo on google.
is the earth finish as bright as on the photo?
http://www.musikhaus-andresen.de/images/sonorsq2drumsetcustom6tlg.birkeearthfinish.jpg

All the best
David

Gus

07-30-2010, 05:25 PM

I never saw a drumset with "earth finish" in real, and i just found this photo on google.
is the earth finish as bright as on the photo?

Hi Kalma

For the Earth outer ply you can choose between a shiny high-gloss finish (mirror like) or a semi-gloss finish, with a matte look.

http://www.musicworldbrilon.de/Schlagzeuge/Snare-Drums/Sonor-SQ-2-Snare-14x5--25494.html

Greetings

Kalma

07-30-2010, 05:54 PM

Hi Kalma

For the Earth outer ply you can choose between a shiny high-gloss finish (mirror like) or a semi-gloss finish, with a matte look.

http://www.musicworldbrilon.de/Schlagzeuge/Snare-Drums/Sonor-SQ-2-Snare-14x5--25494.html

Greetings

Thanks gus!
I know!
And the set from the photo i posted is in high gloss.
and i know that gavins set is highgloss, too. but it never looks so bright..

Fiery

07-30-2010, 06:39 PM

Hi Gavin,
Curious as to what size stick you use nowdays and why.
Gavin uses the Vic Firth Rock stick mostly (the Vic Grip version lately). Here's a more detailed response from him about it:
http://www.askgavinharrison.com/articles/99-How-often-do-you-break-a-stick

Chief2112

07-31-2010, 05:57 AM

A friend of mine posted this question on your Facebook page but I thought I'd ask here as well.

There is some writing on your drum head in the Anesthetize DVD. Can you share what it is or what it says?

Can't wait to see you guys in NYC in September!!

Jonathan

ChrisGau

07-31-2010, 11:28 AM

Hi Gavin,

Regarding the writing on your side snare in the Anesthetize-DVD. That´s probably what Chief2112 is referring to (found it in the Anesthetize booklet):

https://files.me.com/chris.gau/igql3v

Maybe a shorthand version of the setlist ;-).

Gavin Harrison

07-31-2010, 11:44 AM

Hi henri

Do you have several completely identical drum kit and cymbal set?
one or more for stage, at home to study, etc...?

I have three (almost) identical sets. One at home - one on the road (Europe) and one on the road in the USA.

Do you still enjoy to assemble and disassemble your drum-kit, day after days, month after month?

Luckily I have a tech (Jason Birnie) who sets up my gear for me - and he does a great job too. I don't enjoy setting up my stuff. I did it for many years of course - but I certainly don't miss it.

Hi NeuroAxis

do you mix down the drums before you send them off, or do you send pre-FX, pre-fader tracks so as to avoid any frequencies in the drum sound conflicting with frequencies on the other instruments recorded over it?

I do both. I send them my mix of the drums and then all the unaffected separate tracks so they can mix it themselves. Sometimes they just use my stereo mix.

Hi stonylodge

i have some question about your 12"x5" snaredrum. which kind of snarewires do you use on your 12"x5" sonor snaredrum? do you cut down your snarewires the same way as on the 14"? to 8 wires ?

I have two Sonor 12x5 snares. The white one I leave the standard Sonor 18 wires on. The SQ2 tribal finish 12x5 I have the cut down Puresound 8 strand snares on.

i love your sound at the md fest dvd !! how do you get a so dry sounding 12" snaredrum with only a piece of tape ?

It's not a particularly ringy drum so it really doesn't need much dampening at all.

Hi Kalma

what size does the room have, where you record your drums?
I've got a room with 3,17m x 6m x 2,70m (something like that).

I play the drums in my control room - about 20 feet x 15 feet - but I have large sliding doors which open up to a 50 x 40 foot room which I use for ambiance.

What kind of acoustik arrangements do you have in your room?
Did you buy absorbers and stuff like that or did you build them on your own?

I have a lot of stuff in my control room so it sounded pretty dead to start with. I did buy some old studio mobile absorber panels that are around my kit. Other than that I didn't do anything to the room.

I never saw a drumset with "earth finish" in real, and i just found this photo on google.
is the earth finish as bright as on the photo?

It can look like that - it depends how well lit the room is.

Hi Chief2112

There is some writing on your drum head in the Anesthetize DVD. Can you share what it is or what it says?

OK it's a chart that shows me where the downbeat crashes land every 4 bars of 7/8 whilst I'm playing 7/8 and 3/16 at the same time during the outro of "What Happens Now". The difficult thing whilst playing 7/8 and 3/16 is that it resolves every three bars - and I need to mark every four bars with a downbeat...hence the chart.

cheers
Gavin

Ivarus

07-31-2010, 05:21 PM

Hello Gavin,
How are you? It was great meeting you some time ago during an after-party in 013!
I have a few questions, I saw you using the Korg Wavedrum. What it your experience with that? Do you feel it can extend your creativity as a drummer? Second question is I have been trying to figure out the drums on Your Love is All by Sam Brown for more than 10 years now. It sounds like it is in standard 4/4 but I can't quite figure it out. It may be buried deep inside your brain somewhere but some tips would be greatly appreciated!
BTW love the PT DVD. My 5 year old son is obsessed with it! He's allready trying to play the drumpart to "anesthesize" :-)
Cheers,
Ivar

Gavin Harrison

08-01-2010, 12:01 PM

Hi Ivarus,
I've been a fan of the Wavedrum since the start of it in the early 90's and I still have my original one. In fact I used it on the last PT album on a track called "Remember Me Lover". I really like the new Wavedrum too - it really feels like you are involved with making the sound rather than just triggering samples.
There's a few different patterns on that Sam Brown track as I remember. Are you talking about the chorus pattern?

cheers
Gavin

tobiashula

08-01-2010, 01:00 PM

Hi Gavin,

If I watch live videos of f.e. the Modern Drummer Festival, I always realize that your snare sound is really different than on records of PT or your DVDs.
Is this an acoustic problem or do you prefer this dry and more insensitive sound in a live situation?

Cheers,
Tobi

Phil Brodermann

08-01-2010, 08:04 PM

In that new interview you said that you saw Benny Greb the other day. It says on his website that he was recently in London for a session, is that when you saw him?

Next time can you invite me?

drumstu

08-02-2010, 12:49 AM

Hi Gavin,
I have a question regarding your book, “Rhythmic Illusions” that I hope I can explain correctly.
I’ve made somewhat of a break-through in the displacement section. I started using my High-hat as a reference to the metronome and it started clicking (no pun intended). However, the way I actually realized I was getting it was I had to call my wife in and let her be the “listener” to make sure the displacement beats were actually still sounding the same.
So, here’s my question. When I play, for instance example 1 on page 11, I first hear and feel – one, two AND- three, four. Then when I go to the displacement, I hit the first HH and then hear and feel – (1) and (2) and THREE-and (4) and.
In other words, the two eighth notes first feel like an upbeat and downbeat and then displaced feel like a downbeat and upbeat. Am I feeling this correctly and getting the idea properly?
Thanks
Stuart

Ivarus

08-02-2010, 01:53 AM

Massimo98

08-02-2010, 12:43 PM

Hello Gavin,
My name is Massimo Anile. You may not know me but i live in australia ( Melbourne )
and i have recently won the Australian Ultimate Drummers Weekend ( AUDW ) junior category. i won $ 1450. with this money, i am planning to buy a Zildjian 21 inch Armand ride cymbal. What is your opinion on it?
would it ring a lot in a room with a glass brick wall :( ?
another thing i wanted to ask you is : what size are all of your toms?
What is the ride cymbal you use in your DVD. It looks vintage. ??
- and how do you tune your toms to how you have them????
thanks
Massimo

Kalma

08-02-2010, 02:12 PM

another thing i wanted to ask you is : what size are all of your toms?
What is the ride cymbal you use in your DVD. It looks vintage. ??
- and how do you tune your toms to how you have them????

You really should checkout www.askgavinharrison.com and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Harrison#Equipment before asking him...

His Toms:
- 8x7 10x8 12x9 Racktoms
- 15x13 16x14 FloorToms

Tuning:
- In his latest DVD Rhythmic Designs he says he tunes them by ear.
First the bottomhead and then the tophead.

Ride Cymbal:
- Which DVD? Which Video?
He maybe has 50 (or so xD) RideCymbals and uses different RideCymbals in nearly every video he recorded.

All the best :)

BuddyBeaufordGaddNeil

08-05-2010, 04:51 PM

Hey Gavin, i first saw you play at some clinic somewhere playing through PT songs. Great stuff! Great player dude.

zacharr

08-05-2010, 05:11 PM

Hi Gavin,
I've just found those two videos. Can you tell me what are the tracks you're playing to? I really like them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eW69zZo-is&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81qq6Fi3G4&feature=related
and by the way- Thanks for the great performance in Łodź (Poland;-)). Really enjoyed it!
Cheers!

Gavin Harrison

08-05-2010, 05:57 PM

Hi tobiashula

If I watch live videos of f.e. the Modern Drummer Festival, I always realize that your snare sound is really different than on records of PT or your DVDs.
Is this an acoustic problem or do you prefer this dry and more insensitive sound in a live situation?

I think you answered the question in your first sentence. The way you can make your snare sound in a recording studio under very controlled conditions is not the same at a live concert where the acoustics are completely different.

Hi Phil Brodermann

In that new interview you said that you saw Benny Greb the other day. It says on his website that he was recently in London for a session, is that when you saw him?

No - I saw him at the Sonor factory in Germany at the end of May.

Hi drumstu

I have a question regarding your book, “Rhythmic Illusions” that I hope I can explain correctly. So, here’s my question. When I play, for instance example 1 on page 11, I first hear and feel – one, two AND- three, four. Then when I go to the displacement, I hit the first HH and then hear and feel – (1) and (2) and THREE-and (4) and.
In other words, the two eighth notes first feel like an upbeat and downbeat and then displaced feel like a downbeat and upbeat. Am I feeling this correctly and getting the idea properly?

It's hard to decipher exactly what you mean from your description but I think you have grasped it correctly.

Hi Ivarus

Thanks for the quick response! It's the pattern in the chorus. It sounds like a polyrythm over a 4/4 but I could be wrong.

Not really a polyrhythm but certainly in 4/4. Here's the basic version of it
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Hi Massimo98

i am planning to buy a Zildjian 21 inch Armand ride cymbal. What is your opinion on it?

I've never played that cymbal so I can't give you an opinion on it.

another thing i wanted to ask you is : what size are all of your toms?
What is the ride cymbal you use in your DVD. It looks vintage. ??
- and how do you tune your toms to how you have them????

Hopefully you've had chance to check out the links that Kalma suggested. Feel free to ask questions that you can't find the answers for on those links or searching through these pages at Drummerworld.

Hi zacharr

I've just found those two videos. Can you tell me what are the tracks you're playing to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eW69...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81qq...eature=related

These are videos taken from my performance at Frankfurt Music show 2007 filmed by the owner of Drummerworld (my good friend) Bernhard Castiglioni. OK first one is called "Designer" and is from my first DVD Rhythmic Visions.
Second one is called "19 Days" and is from my DVD Rhythmic Horizons.

cheers
Gavin

zacharr

08-05-2010, 10:29 PM

Hi Gavin,
OK first one is called "Designer" and is from my first DVD Rhythmic Visions.

Then I have to buy this DVD, because it is great ;-)

Second one is called "19 Days" and is from my DVD Rhythmic Horizons.

Maybe some kind of problem with link. Second link is not 19 days.
I've got that Rythmic Horizons DVD so I know;-)
It looks like it is the last song you've played at that show.
Maybe now it would work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81qq6Fi3G4&feature=related
Cheers
Zacharr

SantiBanks

08-05-2010, 11:06 PM

Maybe some kind of problem with link. Second link is not 19 days.

Maybe now it would work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81qq6Fi3G4&feature=related

FF2 is 19 days but you are referring to FF3. Thats Quiet Firm by bassplayer Laurence Cottle.
Here is the "studio take" of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0IDtEfN5gE

Gavin did this also on the modern drummer festival

Gavin Harrison

08-05-2010, 11:22 PM

Yes guys you're right. I got it wrong. Too many things going on in my head at the moment.

cheers
Gavin

SantiBanks

08-06-2010, 12:07 AM

Yes guys you're right. I got it wrong. Too many things going on in my head at the moment.

cheers
Gavin
Take a brake :) Too many things can never be good…
If some distraction is welcome I suggest checking out young female bassplayer Tal Wilkenfeld. I think you might like her… (Vinnie C, Jeff B, Herbie H and a certain Santi B do…)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC02wGj5gPw

It would be amazing to see you two up on stage…

Fox622003

08-06-2010, 12:46 AM

Gavin, have you seen that excerpt from Billy Ward's DVD where he does a tour of different and influential jazz drummers?
Here's a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YexaQsaCrU) if you haven't.
I just thought that you'd really like it if you haven't seen it, I think he does a great job getting the different grooves across (for a rock drummer, anyway ;) ).

All the best Gavin, Fox.

Swiss Matthias

08-06-2010, 10:35 AM

Great link, thanks! Billy is not really a rock drummer though...

Ivarus

08-07-2010, 08:22 PM

Thanks so much for that transcription of "You're love is All" Gavin! It looks easier than it sounds, I'll go and throw the song into the Ultra Slow Downer and read along with it ;-)

Take care,
Ivar

euphoric_anomaly

08-08-2010, 02:34 AM

Gavin,

There's a fill you do in "Beyond the A" @ 1:47 that is somewhat confusing. It sounds to me like your doing a double on the bass, a double on the toms, followed by a double snare shot. It's a very clever fill and I can't stop listening to it/air drumming to it.

Could you embellish upon your technique here? I'm probably hearing it all wrong, hence the need to ask.

Thanks so much

Eric

SantiBanks

08-09-2010, 10:56 AM

I'm not sure if it's allowed to post an image of the two bars on the forum as it's (of course) wonderfully transcribed in the Rhythmic Designs book (really recommended!).

But its based on 32 notes.
bar 1 - 7/16|
2 8ths kick;
1 16th on the snare (R);
2 32th on the snare(R R);
1 32th on the hihat (L);
1 32th on the kick

bar 2 - 9/16|
1 32th on the kick;
1 32th on the tom(R);
1 16th on the tom(L);
1 16th on snare (R);
4 32th on the snare (L L R R);
1 32th on hihat (L);
2 32th on kick;
1 32th on floor (R);
2 16th on snare (L R)

Hope this helps

ProgJazzy(QC)

08-11-2010, 07:35 PM

Hi Gavin,

Hope your having great time coming back in North America, can't wait to see you guys at the Radio City Music Hall. We'll be a bunch of friends travelling all the way down from Quebec City to see you live there!

I have a few questions for you! First, I read somewhere on the internet that, you read Effortless Mastery by Kenny Werner, im currently reading it. What's your opinion on it? did it changed your vision of music and achievements in some ways? How did it changed your playing?

And last, im part of a progressive/metal band here in Quebec, and we're currently recording our first album, at the beginning of the recording the producer told us that the drums would be triggered, I didn't really like the experience of it but still the drums will sound great (in some ways...) Have you ever recorded while being triggered? What's your opinion on it?

And by the way thanks for making me discover Everything Everything im really enjoying their music!

Ethan

yothatswack

08-12-2010, 04:29 AM

Hey Mr. Harrison,

I have 2 quick questions. I read some where that you have read the book "Effortless Mastery" by Kenny Werner. And I was wondering if you use the techniques described in the book? Like letting your hands play and you watching, or not thinking just playing?

Also I have read that you don't like "O-rings" on top of your drums so you put the rings inside. Do you put a O-ring on the inside of your snare?

Thank you very much,
Nathan

KevShephard

08-12-2010, 06:19 PM

Hi Gavin,

About the remastered "Up the Downstair" album - For starters, I love what you did on that album. I know you didn't stray too far from what Steven had programmed on the original, but it definitely has your unmistakable style and feel.

I was wondering about your thoughts on replacing drums that already exists like that. In particular, I am curious about "Always Never" - did you play that to a click? It must have been fairly difficult to do considering the tempo ramping up at the end of the song (or maybe not). During your career, have you been asked to replace drums on tracks very often? If so, has it always been to a click?

I've been called into the studio a number of times to replace drums already cut to songs, but these have always been songs that unfortunately were NOT recorded with a click in the first place, and it isn't always easy making it feel smooth and natural.

Good luck on the North American tour!

Kevin

Gavin Harrison

08-12-2010, 08:55 PM

Hi SantiBanks

If some distraction is welcome I suggest checking out young female bassplayer Tal Wilkenfeld. I think you might like her…

Yeah Tal is amazing.

Hi Fox622003

Gavin, have you seen that excerpt from Billy Ward's DVD where he does a tour of different and influential jazz drummers?

Thanks for the link. Billy is great - and what a nice guy too. I met him at the Modern Drummer Fest in 2008 and he played brilliantly.

Hi euphoric_anomaly

There's a fill you do in "Beyond the A" @ 1:47 that is somewhat confusing. It sounds to me like your doing a double on the bass, a double on the toms, followed by a double snare shot. It's a very clever fill and I can't stop listening to it/air drumming to it.

The best I can say is to see the transcription that Terry Branam made in the book. I know it's pretty fast and there's a lot of notes in it. Other than that I can't really tell you how to play it.

Hi ProgJazzy(QC)

I have a few questions for you! First, I read somewhere on the internet that, you read Effortless Mastery by Kenny Werner, im currently reading it. What's your opinion on it? did it changed your vision of music and achievements in some ways? How did it changed your playing?

Yes I really like that book. Being in the right frame of mind is so important. It really makes a big difference to your performance.

And last, im part of a progressive/metal band here in Quebec, and we're currently recording our first album, at the beginning of the recording the producer told us that the drums would be triggered, I didn't really like the experience of it but still the drums will sound great (in some ways...) Have you ever recorded while being triggered? What's your opinion on it?

Will the drums be triggered in post production or 'as you're playing'? I don't really like triggers and usually to get them to sound good you need to really take a lot of time and care in post production. Sometimes it can sound good if you blend the triggered sample along with the real sound - but in my experience it only sounds convincing on the bass drum.

Hi yothatswack

you have read the book "Effortless Mastery" by Kenny Werner. And I was wondering if you use the techniques described in the book? Like letting your hands play and you watching, or not thinking just playing?

I like to observe the hands. That's a nice state to be in.

Also I have read that you don't like "O-rings" on top of your drums so you put the rings inside. Do you put a O-ring on the inside of your snare?

No - I like an "O" ring on the top of the snare drum - occasionally I might put some on the top of the toms if it suits the song. I have placed one on the inside of a 14" floor tom that I though was sustaining too much. I've never put one inside a snare drum.

Hi KevShephard

I was wondering about your thoughts on replacing drums that already exists like that. In particular, I am curious about "Always Never" - did you play that to a click? During your career, have you been asked to replace drums on tracks very often? If so, has it always been to a click?

Yes there was a click on that song. I've replaced many drum machine parts in my time - sometimes people just want exactly what was there before - other times they ask you to branch out a little. Replacing real drums is a little harder because of the way that the drummer made the track feel and the way all the other musicians played to them. Sometimes I've replaced real drums that weren't played to a click and usually it's a very difficult thing to do. No two drummers really feel the time in the same way.

cheers
Gavin

tobiashula

08-13-2010, 12:57 AM

Hi Gavin,

You said that you use a O-ring in your 14" tom to "gate" it. Is this ring out of paper or out of foil?

Cheers,
Tobi

SantiBanks

08-13-2010, 02:35 PM

Hi Gavin,

Glad you liked Tal. Check out her solo album (difficult to order as hard copy in Europe but available at iTunes).

I just placed my pre-order for the circles dvd-a. Who did the surround mix on that one? Did you do it yourself? Steve? Looking forward to it :) Never thought this album would be available in 5.1 so I'm very happy to see it's released in the dvd-a format.
Will Drop get the same treatment?

And a question on the subject of kickdrum mics. You use the audix D6 for sometime now. I was wondering what mics you used before switching to audix and what your thoughts about those where (if you can still remember).

Thanks,
Santi

GORKI

08-15-2010, 12:09 AM

Hi,

I have problems with holding a simple groove.

Sometimes I have to play slower ballads like 6/8 or 4/4 with tempo 60-75,but it`s very hard to hold the energy and keep exact time.Some tunes need a simple 8th note based beat. It`s simple to add some ghost notes or play 16th`s with hi hat - it makes my groove easier to play.
When playing the groove on ride cymbal,always my left foot plays 8th`s or 4th with it,because it comfortable and gives me the metronome type thing.

Can you get some advice? What to think in my head-16th or 8th note off beat? What to listen?

Thanks,

gibeachhead

08-15-2010, 03:40 AM

Hey Gavin,

I read you previous comment about Roland V drums. But have you seen the semi-new TD-20KX? It really appears to be taking electronic drums to a whole new level. I myself am not a fan of them, but if I ever have to move into an apartment then I might have to become one!

Anyways thought I share this:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/TD-20KX/

Check out a great demo video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wTcHCaI4Bw

KevShephard

08-15-2010, 03:53 AM

Thanks for the reply, Gavin!

I don't know if this has been asked here yet (I can't find it when I search back), but I'll shoot. Having seen you guys on The Incident tour twice (mind-blowing!!), and absolutely LOVING the Anesthetize Bluray, I was wondering if you were aware of any plans to eventually release a DVD/Bluray of The Incident tour.

Thanks again! You are truly an inspiration!

Kevin

ProgJazzy(QC)

08-16-2010, 01:31 AM

Hi Gavin thanks for the reply,

to answer your question:

Will the drums be triggered in post production or 'as you're playing'?

The drums will be triggered as Im playing, i think too that the bass drum is quite convincing but still id rather play on real drums. i didn't like at all the feel on the snare, they're was some velocity but the difference between ghosts notes and rim shots was not convincing at all. I had trouble playing some great ghosts notes, so there's only a few of them through all the songs.

willregnier : Yes my band has a myspace www.myspace.com/innerodyssey but the only song available yet is poor quality because i had to record over bass, guitars and keyboards without any metronome.... but still new material is on is way once we finished recording our album! And yeah Riverside is such an amazing band Mariuz Duda is such a great composer and frontman !!!!

Gavin Harrison

08-16-2010, 06:26 AM

Hi tobiashula

You said that you use a O-ring in your 14" tom to "gate" it. Is this ring out of paper or out of foil?

no it's just a plastic drum head cut up - like most O rings.

Hi SantiBanks

I just placed my pre-order for the circles dvd-a. Who did the surround mix on that one?
Jakko Jakszyk - a good friend of mine.

Will Drop get the same treatment?

I hope so.

And a question on the subject of kickdrum mics. You use the audix D6 for sometime now. I was wondering what mics you used before switching to audix and what your thoughts about those where (if you can still remember).

I used to use the Beyer M88 (which I still like) but the diaphragms do blow out after a few years. I've used Shure SM91 and Beta91. I prefer the SM91 - it's quite different in tone to the 'beta' version. At the moment with PT live I use two SM91's in my bass drum. EQ'd for different sounds. I never really got on with the Beta52 or D12 very well. The EV RE20 is quite nice - but hard to place as it's so big and heavy.

Hi GORKI

Sometimes I have to play slower ballads like 6/8 or 4/4 with tempo 60-75,but it`s very hard to hold the energy and keep exact time.Some tunes need a simple 8th note based beat. It`s simple to add some ghost notes or play 16th`s with hi hat - it makes my groove easier to play.
When playing the groove on ride cymbal,always my left foot plays 8th`s or 4th with it,because it comfortable and gives me the metronome type thing.
Can you get some advice? What to think in my head-16th or 8th note off beat? What to listen?

when playing slower tempos you really need to subdivide the beat. If I had to play quarter notes at 60bpm - then I would be singing 16ths to myself and maybe tapping my left foot in 8ths.

Hi gibeachhead

I read you previous comment about Roland V drums. But have you seen the semi-new TD-20KX? It really appears to be taking electronic drums to a whole new level. I myself am not a fan of them, but if I ever have to move into an apartment then I might have to become one!

Sorry but I don't know this kit. I'm not really a fan of electronic drums. I thought they actually showed more promise in the early days with Simmonds and Syndrum because they were not trying to emulate acoustic drums. They had unique sounds that were percussive but new. If the problem is a noise issue - then I can understand that playing an electronic kit in an apartment could be a reasonable solution.

Hi KevShephard

I was wondering if you were aware of any plans to eventually release a DVD/Bluray of The Incident tour.

We did capture it - but we have no plans to release it anytime soon.

cheers
Gavin

Drummin_Dan

08-16-2010, 06:38 AM

I have a question about mindsets. I understand the importance of involving one's mindset when approaching a musical situation. I find, sometimes, I'll come into a situation feeling like a musician. Other times, I come in feeling like a drummer. Do you find there's anything you have to think about (might be unrelated to music at all) that helps you focus on music?

There was something else I was wondering as well. I had a discussion with a teacher of mine about "musical practicing". My feeling, at the time, was that practice itself should be separate from music. I can understand where musical creativity and ideas can result in and from a practical idea or method. But, for the life of me, I still can't understand how practicing exercises can be applied outside of disciplining the technical aspect of drumming. I'm always focused on me. I use a metronome to know I'm in time. But, I can't focus on music when I'm listening to the consistency of my sound, my time or my technique. If I'm playing music, there's no room to worry about those things. Is there really such a thing as, "musical practicing?"

Kalma

08-16-2010, 10:52 AM

Hi Gavin,

I was just a bit trying get a good Snare Sound on my Sonor Artist Snare. (14*5 Vintage Maple).

I have a Remo CS SnareHead and still the Sonor Bottomhead..

My problem is, when I get a (i think) good snare sound, so the snares don't buzz when I hit a tom and so on, my Tophead has quite a low tension, so it's really hard to play buzz-rolls and this stuff..

Can you tell me what tension your top- and bottomhead mostly has?
I think they're very tight but I couldn't get it from your Rhythmic Designs DVD as you didn't mentioned the tension you use.
Also the SnareWires, you said you always have the Snares very tight, so you get a very articular snare sound and great sounding ghost-notes. When I tight my SnareWires on to much I get them buzzing even when I have the Snares turned off.

How is your approach on tuning SnareDrums?

Thanks!!!

Dont Taze Me Bro

08-18-2010, 08:59 PM

Hey there Gavin,

I've posted in the past and I've gotta say this is really awesome what you're doing here. I'd imagine you're a very busy guy and yet you've taken the time to answer 118 pages of questions. I don't know of many other people in your position that would do much of that.

So, thank you.

I wanted to say I absolutely LOVED Porcupine Tree's set at The Joint in Las Vegas. That weekend I saw five bands... You guys, Coheed and Cambria, your other opening band, Rush, and Primus. Out of all of the drums, yours by far sounded the best. Its definitely close between you and Neil, but yours took the cake. Always so tasty!

I had a few questions too if you would be so kind :)

Were you guys intending to do an encore but were cut short?

Did you have any time to check out Vegas? The last few shows I saw at The Joint I met the guys from the band just hanging out in the casino somewhere. It was pretty damn cool.

So, thanks again for a memorable evening, and your time! I hope to be seeing you drum again real soon!

Steven

Gavin Harrison

08-18-2010, 09:28 PM

Hi Drummin_Dan

I have a question about mindsets. I understand the importance of involving one's mindset when approaching a musical situation. I find, sometimes, I'll come into a situation feeling like a musician. Other times, I come in feeling like a drummer. Do you find there's anything you have to think about (might be unrelated to music at all) that helps you focus on music?

I always feel like a musician - I can't separate the two. What's just a 'drummer' ? I feel like I'm there to make music. The instrument has no meaning to me without 'music'.

There was something else I was wondering as well. I had a discussion with a teacher of mine about "musical practicing". My feeling, at the time, was that practice itself should be separate from music. I can understand where musical creativity and ideas can result in and from a practical idea or method. But, for the life of me, I still can't understand how practicing exercises can be applied outside of disciplining the technical aspect of drumming.

I need to feel articulate when I'm playing - and practising exercises are going to help me achieve a level of articulation and control when I'm playing in a musical situation. Maybe I have an idea in my head for a certain phrase but my hands or feet just can't 'say' it. I'm not totally clear about your definition of 'musical practising'.

I'm always focused on me. I use a metronome to know I'm in time. But, I can't focus on music when I'm listening to the consistency of my sound, my time or my technique. If I'm playing music, there's no room to worry about those things. Is there really such a thing as, "musical practicing?"

I think when you're on stage and playing in a band situation you should just focus on the music and forget about technique. Your technique needs to be at a level that it doesn't require constant attention. A lot of the basic things should be happening subconsciously.

Hi Kalma

I have a Remo CS SnareHead and still the Sonor Bottomhead..
My problem is, when I get a (i think) good snare sound, so the snares don't buzz when I hit a tom and so on, my Tophead has quite a low tension, so it's really hard to play buzz-rolls and this stuff..
Can you tell me what tension your top- and bottomhead mostly has?
I think they're very tight but I couldn't get it from your Rhythmic Designs DVD as you didn't mentioned the tension you use.

As you'll have seen on that DVD the important thing is to make sure that the tuning of your snare is a good distance in pitch away from your toms. Otherwise you'll get sympathetic vibration and that will cause the snare wires to rattle. You'll never get rid of it totally but you can improve it by careful tuning. I guess my snare head is on pretty tight and the top head is on a medium/tight tuning.

Also the SnareWires, you said you always have the Snares very tight, so you get a very articular snare sound and great sounding ghost-notes. When I tight my SnareWires on to much I get them buzzing even when I have the Snares turned off.

Yes unless you have a snare throw off that has a very long drop - it can happen. But I spend 99% of the time with the snares on - so it's a trade off I'm willing to make.

Hi Dont Taze Me Bro

I wanted to say I absolutely LOVED Porcupine Tree's set at The Joint in Las Vegas. That weekend I saw five bands... You guys, Coheed and Cambria, your other opening band, Rush, and Primus. Out of all of the drums, yours by far sounded the best. Its definitely close between you and Neil, but yours took the cake. Always so tasty!

great - thanks!

Were you guys intending to do an encore but were cut short?

We haven't had time to play an encore on this tour.

Did you have any time to check out Vegas?

Yes we've been a couple of times before. After the show four of us went down the strip and walked about for a couple of hours.

Cheers
Gavin

SantiBanks

08-18-2010, 10:11 PM

Jakko Jakszyk - a good friend of mine.

Nice! Really looking forward to it :) And good to see you are still good friends with Jakko. I loved your Dizrhytmia project and of course the level42 stuff (and I really hope to see you two on tour with level42 again someday…)

I hope so.

Cool! I'll preorder it if it comes out someday :)

I used to use the Beyer M88 (which I still like) but the diaphragms do blow out after a few years. I've used Shure SM91 and Beta91. I prefer the SM91 - it's quite different in tone to the 'beta' version. At the moment with PT live I use two SM91's in my bass drum. EQ'd for different sounds. I never really got on with the Beta52 or D12 very well. The EV RE20 is quite nice - but hard to place as it's so big and heavy.

Thanks for that! Interesting to see another vote for the M88. I only knew it as "the" Phil Collins mic (for his voice, not his kit AFAIK) but there are some engineers that like it a lot on kick.

Was the SM91 used for the "Atlanta" record? Your kick tone is a bit different from the one I hear on the Tilburg dvd (Atlanta has a bit more lows and boom) The EV RE20 is on my wishlist but sadly too expensive. The Beyer might be what I'm looking for.
Thanks a lot again for your detailed answer!

Cheers
Santi

rtptfan

08-19-2010, 06:11 AM

Hey Gavin! Just wanted to say that I'll be seeing Porcupine Tree for the first time this Friday in Memphis, and I'm very excited about it! My friend Mark is also coming with me and he's also a big fan and a drummer too. Hope the show goes really well, and that you guys have better conditions there then at the other recent venues. (I've seen the Facebook posts. lol)

Ryan T

Ivarus

08-19-2010, 08:58 AM

Fox622003

08-19-2010, 02:46 PM

Hello again Gavin,
I've been wondering about the drumparts in Anesthesize near the last chorus (the "total chaos" bit before the last chorus). It sounds like you have eight feet at your disposal but I read that you usually use bursts of two, three or four bassdrums. I've tried "faking" it by sneaking in a floortom between a burst of two bassdrums so you get a continuous triplet. Sounds OK but I would like to know how it's done "officially".
BTW, I got the Wavedrum for my birthday. That's one amazing piece of equipment, thanks for the insight!
Cheers,
Ivar

But are you playing with a double pedal? Because unless it's really fast, there's not much sense in using a double pedal or two bass drums for that. You should practice more with it if you can't play more than two notes, I think, if you want to really take advantage of your double pedal, anyway.
As for that part, it's been transcribed several times.

Ivarus

08-19-2010, 03:24 PM

But are you playing with a double pedal? Because unless it's really fast, there's not much sense in using a double pedal or two bass drums for that. You should practice more with it if you can't play more than two notes, I think, if you want to really take advantage of your double pedal, anyway.
As for that part, it's been transcribed several times. Live, it's something like this:

Hey there Fox,
I'm not a double-bass hero but I CAN play more than two notes on it yes ;-)
The transcription is very clear, thanks for that!
Cheers,
Ivar

Venimal

08-19-2010, 04:53 PM

Hello Gavin,

Thank you very much for responding to my last question about the fill in Mellotron Scratch. I have another rather bizarre question for you. My girlfriend is a Harpist, and I played her 19 Days, and she made a comment how she thought a harp would have a place in that song. I was actually wondering if there was a transcription of the Piano part available somewhere that we could have a look at.

Looking forward to seeing you in Grand Rapids! You guys were amazing in Chicago and Detroit in May and April. It was also my first date with my girlfriend the show in Detroit, We could not stop laughing before the end of Trains where you stood up and did that magic trick. Not to mention, you guys got me listening to Showaddywaddy. Also, her first comment after the show was, "I can see why you like Gavin so much, he is phenomenal."

SantiBanks

08-19-2010, 09:09 PM

My girlfriend is a Harpist, and I played her 19 Days, and she made a comment how she thought a harp would have a place in that song. I was actually wondering if there was a transcription of the Piano part available somewhere that we could have a look at.

I'm a piano player and I'm learning the song by ear. I might be able to transcribe it in leadsheet format (which means chords and basic melodies).

anders_slåke

08-20-2010, 07:27 AM

Hey Gavin!

Hope you don't get entirely cooked in the heat!

I just wanted to ask: exactly what backing tracks comes with the rhythmic horizons dvd? Also, are there both click tracks and tracks excluding click?

Thanks in advance!

supermac

08-20-2010, 12:38 PM

Got to say Porcupine Tree playing Showaddywaddy sounds great fun.

Loved them when I was 11-12, even though in retrospect they weren't exactly top players!

They had two drummers but it's fair to say they wouldn't have worried Chester Thompson and Phil Collins.

Would love to hear what you did to Under The Moon of Love...

Fox622003

08-20-2010, 05:52 PM

Hey Gavin, what do you think about Roto Toms? I was thinking in buying the Remo ones, you don't necessarily need to have experience with them. But pretty much, there's not one professional player I know of using them. I just think they would be a nice addition to the left side of my kit, instead of a second snare, or add-on tom. But my main questions are generally if they have an application in all-around music (personally, I think they are very versatile, and can be used both for beats and fills, and for effects), and if you know why not one pro endorsing Remo uses them (that I've seen, anyway). And how would you mic them, Snare, or Tom mic (and would you actually mic them individually? Or let them run through the overheads?)?
All the best, and hope I can make it to the Radio City Music Hall in September!

Fox.

Gavin Harrison

08-20-2010, 06:23 PM

Hi Ivarus

I've been wondering about the drumparts in Anesthesize near the last chorus (the "total chaos" bit before the last chorus). It sounds like you have eight feet at your disposal but I read that you usually use bursts of two, three or four bassdrums.

thanks to Fox for finding a transcription - but there's some mistakes in it. In between every snare hit there should be the four bass drum notes.

Hi Venimal

Thank you very much for responding to my last question about the fill in Mellotron Scratch. I have another rather bizarre question for you. My girlfriend is a Harpist, and I played her 19 Days, and she made a comment how she thought a harp would have a place in that song. I was actually wondering if there was a transcription of the Piano part available somewhere that we could have a look at.

On the DVD Rhythmic Horizons - there is a midi file of all the music. If you have music software that can read a midi file - you should be able to see and print out the piano part.

Hi anders_slåke

I just wanted to ask: exactly what backing tracks comes with the rhythmic horizons dvd? Also, are there both click tracks and tracks excluding click?

The only playalong backing track on that DVD is "19 Days". There are some other odd time mp3 loops to play over as well.

Hi Fox622003

what do you think about Roto Toms? I was thinking in buying the Remo ones, you don't necessarily need to have experience with them. And how would you mic them, Snare, or Tom mic (and would you actually mic them individually? Or let them run through the overheads?)?

I bought some Roto Toms in 1979 and recently I found them in my garage completely rusted so I dumped them. Can't say I've played them in at least 28 years so I figured I could live without them. You can mic them anyway you want - but they do sound very thin.

cheers
Gavin

anders_slåke

08-20-2010, 08:07 PM

Hi anders_slåke

I just wanted to ask: exactly what backing tracks comes with the rhythmic horizons dvd? Also, are there both click tracks and tracks excluding click?

The only playalong backing track on that DVD is "19 Days". There are some other odd time mp3 loops to play over as well.

cheers
Gavin

Thanks for the answer!

Is the "19 Days" backing with or without click?

Thanks in advance!

Fox622003

08-20-2010, 09:37 PM

thanks to Fox for finding a transcription - but there's some mistakes in it. In between every snare hit there should be the four bass drum notes.

Oh, actually, the transcription is mine, I really thought it wasn't *always* four 32nds, and you stopped in that beat. Alright then, sorry about that. Here's the corrected version.
Thanks for the info on Roto Toms, I'll see what I do about them.

Fox.

Gavin Harrison

08-20-2010, 09:44 PM

Hi anders_slåke

Is the "19 Days" backing with or without click?

Both.

Hi Fox622003

Oh, actually, the transcription is mine, I really thought it wasn't *always* four 32nds, and you stopped in that beat. Alright then, sorry about that. Here's the corrected version.

Thanks for that.

cheers
Gavin

traditionaldrummer

08-21-2010, 06:28 PM

With a hundred-plus pages in this surely has been answered but I couldn't find it on search.

The question:

How are you mounting the bell cymbals by your hats? A homemade job? I can't tell. I saw Chad Wackerman with nearly the same exact device (right by the hats too!) back in the 80s but I can't figure out what he was using either.

I also use a bunch of bells and accent cymbals and it sure would be nice to consolidate them in such a configuration. If there's a product out there for this I'd sure love one!

Drummin_Dan

08-22-2010, 05:21 AM

Thanks Gavin. I had a lot of time to think about the question I had asked this week.

What's just a 'drummer' ? I feel like I'm there to make music.

I volunteered for a University Jazz Camp this past week. It was an opportunity to go and start networking back in my home town after graduating from the music program I was in.

The whole "drummer" vs. "musician" came to light when I was in two different situations over the source of the week. One situation involved the instructors and the other the students. When I was playing with the instructors, it was like being part of the source. Part of the unit. The music came out and the technique, groove, coordination (everything I've been studying) felt ready to serve the music. I was a musician.

The moment I felt like a drummer came from playing with students who had their heads buried in the music. I felt like no one was paying any attention to what I was trying to do. I would try to create some input, but it fell on deaf ears. Nobody was there to support the time. It just felt like they were so buried in hitting the changes that there was no music. I felt like a drummer. I realized no matter what I did, I couldn't make the time feel better. They sort of hung on to the remnants of the feel, but didn't add to it. The moment it clicked was when the teacher running the ensemble actually pointed it out.

We're dependent on each other as musicians and I realized that my role could easily be dissolved into "drumming" when I can't add to the feel or the unity or the "music" of the performance. It's not lack of ability in my case, so much as feeling left out to dry by people who aren't able to realize my full potential.

So, it could be a case where I have to understand that I may be a better musician than I give myself credit for (I mean this with utmost humility!).

I'm not totally clear about your definition of 'musical practising'.

I apologize for my lack of clarity. To be more concise, I was actually asking if you would think there's such a thing as 'musical practicing'.

As an analogy, practicing is building a program and music is running the program. That's the way I see it. You can't run a program and actively code at the same time. You run the program til you encounter the bug and then you fix the programming. (I apologize if the computer analogy only confuses you further. If not, then feel free to use it if you think it translates the point well).

Don't feel the need to reply. I was just trying to conclude my thoughts openly. Maybe some other members on the board might relate to this.

Illyriant

08-22-2010, 09:49 AM

I too have recently got into Porcupine Tree and Gavin Harrison's drumming, it's amazing from what I have heard so far. Nice blend of rock solid grooves and explosive, yet tasteful fills. I really like your contribution in "way of out here", especially the live version.

Fox622003

08-22-2010, 10:37 AM

As an analogy, practicing is building a program and music is running the program. That's the way I see it. You can't run a program and actively code at the same time. You run the program til you encounter the bug and then you fix the programming.

That's a very nice analogy in my opinion. When you just start out, there's not much to run, so you just dedicate yourself to coding. Once the basics are coded, you just keep using the same program until the needs of it change. Of course, the basics are different for each person and their needs.
However, I disagree that you can't do both at the same time, unlike a program, you can actively and organically shape your skills while playing musically; you could play something absolutely different than what you started out playing after doing the same basic (or written) pattern for a year, even if you never practiced it outside of executing it with a band. Some ideas lack all musicality when practicing because they are too complex, so in those cases, yes, they cannot be separated, but there's a point where the separation blurs, as I mentioned above.

Fox.

Kalma

08-22-2010, 11:38 AM

How are you mounting the bell cymbals by your hats? A homemade job? I can't tell. I saw Chad Wackerman with nearly the same exact device (right by the hats too!) back in the 80s but I can't figure out what he was using either.

He has two holders:
One is a custom made job by a friend of him.
And for a few months he uses the Sonor Basic-Arm System to mount the chimes.

Drummin_Dan

08-22-2010, 07:50 PM

However, I disagree that you can't do both at the same time, unlike a program, you can actively and organically shape your skills while playing musically.

I understand what you mean. Where I'm coming from in my analogy, programming refers to the most basic fundamentals of technique. You won't expand musically if you're trying to fix your technique while you're in the middle of a performance. If you play a video game, for instance, it actually takes playing the game to be good at it. You'll run into glitches playing a video game (anyone who understands this is probably filling up with rage if they've read this). It has everything to do with the programming and nothing to do with your ability to play the game. Until that error is resolved, you will always encounter that problem.

This is getting a bit down the rabbit trail now, maybe we can open a PM or a thread in another forum if you want to continue the discussion. It's just so we aren't hijacking this thread. It is Gavin Harrison's thread after all. ;)

Fiery

08-22-2010, 09:32 PM

With a hundred-plus pages in this surely has been answered but I couldn't find it on search.
You will like this site then, it has a lot of questions and answers from this thread:
http://www.askgavinharrison.com

pixelbreaker

08-23-2010, 07:04 AM

Hey Gavin,

I saw you in Nashville tonight... second PT show. You may remember me waving to you when you got off the bus, probably not, but anyways. I just wanted to say that you're one of my heroes and a major influence on my drumming! I'm really looking forward to seeing you and PT again sometime soon.

Sincerely,
Branndon

Deathtoll

08-23-2010, 09:01 PM

Hey Gavin, what is your current warm up for shows now, what rudiments do you practice or do you dabble around on your kit before a show, how do you loosen up before a big show today? Has it changed much since you've made the rhythmic videos?

philipp

08-25-2010, 01:22 AM

Hi Gavin,
i'm a big fan of your drumming. i cant really imagine where your inspiration for some fills comes from. they are so creative. so your drumming inspires my drumming a lot.

i have a question about a double bass pattern which you played at modern drummer festival in the song futile in your "solo-section" and which i heard also in "way out of here" from the new live dvd while you are playing the three chinas.
is it the same pattern which tomas haake uses in "bleed" by meshuggah? so RLR L, RLR L

mfg
Philipp

jivadayadasa

08-25-2010, 06:51 PM

I went to the show in Asheville, NC and was once again blown away by the precision and intensity that is PT live. The venue was great, the sound was good, and the performance was stellar. Gavin, you continue to blow me away with sound execution, a juggernaut groove, and playful embellishment throughout my favorite tunes. I was skeptical about the "co-headlining" and not getting a full night of PT but the show was amazing and inspirational. Missed chatting with you afterwards, or course ;-)

Questions: Does playing a shorter night, like on this tour, allow you to "give it your all" and have more stamina throughout the tour? Since you have so much to say as a band, do any of you feel restricted or limited in some way by this schedule? Do you feel like you're just getting warmed up and "feeling it" (as a band) when you have to end the show?

Thanks again,

Jīva-dayā dasa

dr_flam

08-26-2010, 10:50 AM

Hi Gavin,

in this period I'm studying some physics of drum tuning. I gave a look to the Bob Gatzen dvd as you suggested in your dvd Rhythmic designs. Moreover I like the idea to compare the tom-toms to the marimba! All seem more melodic! :-)

I would like to know if you tune the bottom heads of your tom-toms higher or lower in pitch compared to the batter heads.

Sorry if this question was already asked. There is a lot of stuff to read here!!

thanks a lot!

M.

max77

08-26-2010, 06:04 PM

Gavin Harrison

08-26-2010, 06:16 PM

Hi traditionaldrummer

How are you mounting the bell cymbals by your hats? A homemade job?

yes as Kalma pointed out it's a Sonor Basic Arm system.

Hi Deathtoll

what is your current warm up for shows now, what rudiments do you practice or do you dabble around on your kit before a show, how do you loosen up before a big show today? Has it changed much since you've made the rhythmic videos?

I usually spend about 20-30 minutes warming up on a pad before the show. Just combinations of paradiddles - single stroke and double stroke rolls and anything else I can think of. I've been doing that kind of thing for about the last 5 years.

Hi philipp

i have a question about a double bass pattern which you played at modern drummer festival in the song futile in your "solo-section" and which i heard also in "way out of here" from the new live dvd while you are playing the three chinas.
is it the same pattern which tomas haake uses in "bleed" by meshuggah? so RLR L, RLR L

It's a hybrid rudiment called a "herta" and yes it's the same pattern as Tomas plays in Bleed only I'm playing it in triplets rather that 16ths. I did a similar thing in one of the lessons from my 2003 DVD Rhythmic Visions.

Hi jivadayadasa

Does playing a shorter night, like on this tour, allow you to "give it your all" and have more stamina throughout the tour?

Not really. I just need to pace myself so I've got enough energy to make it comfortably through some of the more physically demanding tunes like "Pills I'm Taking".

Since you have so much to say as a band, do any of you feel restricted or limited in some way by this schedule? Do you feel like you're just getting warmed up and "feeling it" (as a band) when you have to end the show?

Obviously we're used to playing a much longer show so it does feel a little strange to us - but I think we've found a set list that works for this 75 minute length.

Hi dr_flam

I would like to know if you tune the bottom heads of your tom-toms higher or lower in pitch compared to the batter heads.

Yes they are a little bit tighter.

By the way folks - here's a new version of my website...www.drumset.demon.co.uk

cheers
Gavin

mewvolk

08-27-2010, 05:18 AM

Gavin,

Fantastic job, it's really incredible that you're taking the time to answer all these questions.

I saw you guys at the Wiltern with Coheed and Cambria, and one thing that really struck me was the rudeness of Coheed and Cambria fans. I found them talking loudly over quieter songs - one guy near me even yelled out "Are you done yet?!" in the middle of I Drive the Hearse. Did you notice this rudeness on stage?

Either way, I was really impressed that you and Porcupine Tree as a whole kept up the good energy the whole night. It must be really tough to play to an unappreciative crowd, and I respect you all immensely for still rocking an amazing show.

One last question - when you play a fill in a song, is that fill generally a specific sticking or fill that you have practiced? I know you try to improvise, but even when you change the fills in a song - are the new fills something you've worked on, or is it usually totally new when you dish them out?

RogerTheShrubber

08-27-2010, 07:32 PM

Hi Gavin,

I have to echo mewvolk's comment about the fantastic job you do in taking the time to answer all of these questions!

And on that note I have a question too :)

I heard you mention somewhere that you sometimes use Space Designer in Logic for your reverbs. Is there any general setting information you could share about that setup? Do you predominantly use halls or rooms, plates, etc?

Thanks again for sharing your knowledge/insight with all of us. I know you have heard it a million times but it is greatly appreciated!

Gavin Harrison

08-27-2010, 10:20 PM

Hi mewvolk

I saw you guys at the Wiltern with Coheed and Cambria, and one thing that really struck me was the rudeness of Coheed and Cambria fans. I found them talking loudly over quieter songs - one guy near me even yelled out "Are you done yet?!" in the middle of I Drive the Hearse. Did you notice this rudeness on stage?

I can't really hear the audience to be honest. I have my 'in ear monitors' right inside my ears and there's music coming through - so no I didn't hear it. I saw some fans in the front row yawning.

One last question - when you play a fill in a song, is that fill generally a specific sticking or fill that you have practiced? I know you try to improvise, but even when you change the fills in a song - are the new fills something you've worked on, or is it usually totally new when you dish them out?

It hardly ever happens that I play something *completely* new. Even if I play a fill that I haven't played before it's probably got elements in it that I have used many times before. The excitement for me is not knowing what those are going to be or how it's going to turn out. Of course over a long tour I might discover fills that I really like in certain moments of a song - and I may feel the need to want to play those again for time to time. I'm aware of the fills on the record and sometimes I struggle to better them. Some nights I just try to deliberately steer clear of as many of my established fills as I can. There are a few that I play the same every night as I feel they are fundamental to the arrangement and the band are expecting to hear them.

Hi RogerTheShrubber

I heard you mention somewhere that you sometimes use Space Designer in Logic for your reverbs. Is there any general setting information you could share about that setup? Do you predominantly use halls or rooms, plates, etc?

It's a preset called "Large Wood Room" - I haven't really messed with the settings - sometimes I might shorten it a little bit.

Heck99

08-27-2010, 11:07 PM

Mr. Harrison-

Many thanks for taking the time to answer individual questions, your responses are invaluable.

I saw PT last night at the Nautica Pavillion in Cleveland, you guys played a very good show. My only complaint was with the venue itself, the sound bounced right off of the back wall and righ back towards the stage causing things played at higher volumes to sound very muddled. There were numerous places in songs that were played at louder dynamics that were quite hard to hear intricate parts from the band. Otherwise your setlist was quite good. I hope your brief stay in Cleveland wasn't too tortuous.

Best Regards,

John

<3Josh<3

08-28-2010, 03:40 PM

Hey Gavin!

Quick question...do you happen to know if Puresound is still making the 12 strand wires? I looked all over their site and the only ones they had as 12 strand are the Equalizers that have the huge space in the middle. I didn't know if this was something you knew about since they'd probably make you whatever you wanted anyway.

Thanks!

Oh, and sorry to hear about the yawning Coheed fans. I myself am a fan of Coheed, but unfortunately a lot of their fans are the kind of kids that are not open to other stuff, and just become obnoxious about it. On the subject, I'm wondering if you got a chance to check out Coheed's set and what you thought about them. What about the Dear Hunter?

Ok, I'm done for real now.

Kalma

08-28-2010, 06:22 PM

Quick question...do you happen to know if Puresound is still making the 12 strand wires? I looked all over their site and the only ones they had as 12 strand are the Equalizers that have the huge space in the middle. I didn't know if this was something you knew about since they'd probably make you whatever you wanted anyway.

They produce the Concert-Series Wires with 12 Strands.. But I don't know if this are the snarewires, gavin uses...

Good luck!

mewvolk

08-29-2010, 06:15 AM

Chaos_Inferno

08-29-2010, 06:22 AM

Hey Gavin, me again-

I meant to ask earlier - how on earth do you arrange Occam's Razor live? Do you play to a click, cause I've never been able to find the tempo (let alone time signature) that those hits are in. I always assumed you'd signal each other for the hits, but when I saw you guys, I didn't see any signals - just all of you hitting those notes without even looking at each other.

Thanks!

This baffled both my friend and I, and we saw two different Porcupine Tree shows... I wanna know too, I thought I had figured out some sort of counting once but I think I was really reaching in subdivisions and changing time sigs lol

ChrisGau

08-29-2010, 11:43 AM

Hey Gavin!

Quick question...do you happen to know if Puresound is still making the 12 strand wires? I looked all over their site and the only ones they had as 12 strand are the Equalizers that have the huge space in the middle.

According to my local dealer in Germany, Puresound does not produce 12 strand wires anymore except for the equalizer (gap in the middle), the concert series (not sure how that sounds) and the 8'' custom version. However, I found out that Pearl is still producing them, not only for 14'' but also for for 12'' snares. I am not sure what the qualitative differences are but I will test it soon.

tah821

08-29-2010, 05:58 PM

Hey Gavin-
i watched a video the other day of a drumkit tour of yours, and noticed you were using a Tama Cobra Clutch with a Sonor hi-hat stand. Does it work ok? i have heard that Cobra Clutches only work with Tama stands.

Kalma

08-29-2010, 07:46 PM

i watched a video the other day of a drumkit tour of yours, and noticed you were using a Tama Cobra Clutch with a Sonor hi-hat stand. Does it work ok?

You answered the question by yourself. ;)

I use this combination too and I can say that there's no problem. Might be a myth that the two hardware-parts won't work together or some people might just be to silly to combine them :) Don't know...

Schism21

08-30-2010, 06:01 PM

Hey Gavin,

I was wondering what you think is the best thing for a young progressive rock/metal drummer to study/practice. I want to master more progressive techniques without developing bad habits!

I love your work with Porcupine Tree, and 05ric, as long as you make music, I'll be listening. (and, Anesthetize was the greatest DVD I've ever bought!)

Thanks,

Sean

Moonloop

08-31-2010, 01:30 AM

I just can’t believe that Mr. Gavin Harrison is here and how humble you are sir to be answering all the questions…you are by far my favorite drummer! Actually am a guitarist and for the first time am in interested in drums more than guitar! by the way I have a band and we are covering some of Porcupine Tree’s songs…we are mixing psychedelic progressive music with some oriental touch we added Oud to have that touch…I wish someday I’ll be able to watch PT or any of your projects live…Am from Lebanon and you have a great fan base over here...Wish all the luck and best of wishes for more improvement!

Russ Morse

08-31-2010, 05:03 AM

Gavin, How many sets of heads do you go through in a tour,are they all swapped out at the same time or single as needed? Rhythmic Designs is awesome!

Paul Nasstrom

08-31-2010, 08:45 PM

Hi, Gavin! It's been long since I last posted something here! A lot has happened! I've developed quite a lot behind the drum set! Got my hands on some Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz drums and some really nice cymbals. Now after playing for almost three years (Started in Dec07/Jan08) I've worked and gained the right amount of money for a really good snare drum. I can afford something priced around 650£ (7000 swedish kronor). I've found a neat maple snare drum by Yamaha with quite a depth. 14x7. I think it's called maple custom. And also a smaller, 13x6,5 Steve Jordan Signature Maple. They are both available at my local drum shop. I want an all-around drum that has some bottom but still a nice cutting rim-shot. I play mostly rock but want to be able to play jazz as well. I know you've used a vintage yamaha snare drum on all Porcupine Tree recordings, that sound amazing. Do you have any advise when it comes to my search for the right snare drum?

I also want to thank you for your gig with PT at Arena in Stockholm, that took place the 19 October 2009! Fantastic. And for the great Anesthetize DVD.

Thanks in advance!

/Paul

KevShephard

09-01-2010, 02:58 PM

This baffled both my friend and I, and we saw two different Porcupine Tree shows... I wanna know too, I thought I had figured out some sort of counting once but I think I was really reaching in subdivisions and changing time sigs lol

I have been curious about that too, seeing PT perform it twice, both times looking for some sign. I figured there must be some trigger in everyone's in-ears counting it down.

Kevin

SantiBanks

09-01-2010, 03:17 PM

Hey Gavin, me again-
I meant to ask earlier - how on earth do you arrange Occam's Razor live? Do you play to a click, cause I've never been able to find the tempo (let alone time signature) that those hits are in. I always assumed you'd signal each other for the hits, but when I saw you guys, I didn't see any signals - just all of you hitting those notes without even looking at each other.
Thanks!

I guess they play live to a click. The piece sounds free but I personally think that it's 96 bpm. Count the main accents which are played by Gavin on crash, kick and hihat and continue to count in that tempo. Consider the accents as quarter notes and you get 96 bpm. I don't know what time signatures there are (and if its a compound timesig). But I think there is a tempo.

This is how I would transcribe the first "4" bars

astrolopitekos

09-01-2010, 07:20 PM

Regarding Occam's Razor, right now I'm actually not sure if I saw this on some DVD, but I think it was on youtube, where Gavin explained that he has some Yamaha box thingie right besides him that lets him regulate what to hear (click, himself, colin, sw, etc...). Thing is, he said it lets him, for example, record other stuff to warn of passages between music parts and all those variations.

So... even if they don't have a click track, they are able to know when to play because they have probably just marked the entrance to that :)

Fox622003

09-01-2010, 08:04 PM

astrolopitekos

09-01-2010, 11:54 PM

lol thanks Fox. Less words and better explained :)

Austin DV

09-02-2010, 02:44 AM

I guess they play live to a click. The piece sounds free but I personally think that it's 96 bpm. Count the main accents which are played by Gavin on crash, kick and hihat and continue to count in that tempo. Consider the accents as quarter notes and you get 96 bpm. I don't know what time signatures there are (and if its a compound timesig). But I think there is a tempo.

This is how I would transcribe the first "4" bars

For all of you guys getting way too confused over Occam's Razor, it's just 4 measures of 4/4 at about 120 bpm (a little less I think) in the rhythm dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter, followed by three measures or rest or holding out the note.

l x - - x - - x - l - - - - - - - - l - - - - - - - - l - - - - - - - - l
(counted 1, and, 4)

Try counting with the recording, it's not nearly as complicated as your guys are all making it.

facu

09-02-2010, 03:15 PM

Hi Gavin! I've got a question:

Do you use always the same shoes for playing? I've watched some videos, and this is my result:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9199/gavshoes.jpg

Cheers!

Fox622003

09-02-2010, 05:28 PM

Hi Gavin! I've got a question:

Do you use always the same shoes for playing? I've watched some videos, and this is my result:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9199/gavshoes.jpg

Cheers!

What's your thoughts in regards to footwear while drumming? Do you always use a specific kind of shoe? Are you comfortable playing barefoot?

Gavin: "I need a flat bottom shoe - I normally wear old style Puma trainers. I can't play barefoot - it really hurts."

Fox.

mpdrums

09-02-2010, 07:25 PM

Hi Gavin,

My name is Dennis and I come from Germany!
I'm a very big fan of you and PORCUPINE TREE. You're a big influence for me especially as a Drummer because I played Drums myself too....

I was at the PORCUPINE TREE Gig in Cologne last year. It was one of the best Concerts I’ve ever seen. You’re really rocked the house.
This year I'll also be at the Bochum Gig in October.
Since this Gig and all the others in germany will be between the two special gigs in New York and London I thought this will be a good chance for you guys to warm up for these two gigs, especially since you've announced on the PT twitter page that on these two gigs you'll play songs from the 90's era or you haven't played for a while.
I'm a big fan of this era, especially from Stupid Dream and the Signify classics (Dark Matter, Sever etc.) Because of that I want to know if you'll play songs from the 90's era also on the germany gigs in october like you've done it for example in Lodz or San Francisco before you toured with Coheed and Cambria?
Or even more than on the Lodz and San Francisco Gigs in September?

Kind Regards
Dennis

Fox622003

09-02-2010, 08:23 PM

On, and I just checked out your new website Gavin, it's very very cool. The change was worth it.

Fox.

scottishhaggis

09-02-2010, 10:27 PM

Hi Gavin, I believe I'm going to be the first person writing from Lithuania. :)
I love what you're doing, your style and everything, I went to UK to see porcupine tree to see you drumming, that was a great experience, thank you

Anyway, my question is: can you explain your type of holding sticks, are you only holding them that way when you play live, or does it depend on the song, or on how hard is the song. You hold them at almost very end of them. I tried such grip today on my drums, it felt kind of interesting and comfortable. Thanks in advance. Peace

scottishhaggis

09-02-2010, 10:29 PM

What I meant was that I've never seen you playing holding in that center of stick, where you get the most bounce of it. Thanks in advance. Keep on drumming

SantiBanks

09-02-2010, 11:21 PM

For all of you guys getting way too confused over Occam's Razor, it's just 4 measures of 4/4 at about 120 bpm (a little less I think) in the rhythm dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter, followed by three measures or rest or holding out the note.

l x - - x - - x - l - - - - - - - - l - - - - - - - - l - - - - - - - - l
(counted 1, and, 4)

Try counting with the recording, it's not nearly as complicated as your guys are all making it.

I don't think that my perception of it is more complicated as opposed to yours. In fact I believe it's the same principle, just explained with different tempo's. It reminds me of a question I asked Gavin a couple of months back regarding Time Flies. Do you feel it like 6/8 or do you feel it like 4/4. Both have different tempo's but the end result would be the same. This is pretty much the same I think. I feel the tempo slower, you feel it faster. Both are "correct" I guess, though the feel is different.

hauk

09-02-2010, 11:54 PM

I don't think that my perception of it is more complicated as opposed to yours. In fact I believe it's the same principle, just explained with different tempo's. It reminds me of a question I asked Gavin a couple of months back regarding Time Flies. Do you feel it like 6/8 or do you feel it like 4/4. Both have different tempo's but the end result would be the same. This is pretty much the same I think. I feel the tempo slower, you feel it faster. Both are "correct" I guess, though the feel is different.

Yes, but I think if you would have to write every note of a song in triplets, it's not the best time signature to use (eg trying to write Time Flies in 4/4). A classical composer would never do that - he would write in a compound meter instead. In addition, in this specific case it's pretty clear that The Blind House (obviously in a simple meter: 5/4) shares its tempo with Occam's Razor when interpreted in a simple meter (in this case 4/4). So in context, it makes little sense to count Occam's Razor in triplets.

That's not to say that both ways aren't mathematically correct, though. A song written entirely in triplets may be unwieldy to read, but sound exactly the same as if written in regular subdivisions in a compound meter at a corresponding tempo. In the same vein, you could technically write any song in, for example, 15/32. You just might have to perform some incredible acrobatics on the page, with beats and barlines seemingly placed randomly in regards to the phrasing. To the listener, it's all the same.

SantiBanks

09-03-2010, 01:09 AM

A classical composer would never do that - he would write in a compound meter instead.

Which is why I'm more a jazz cat ;) Nah just kidding. I understand your point.

So in context, it makes little sense to count Occam's Razor in triplets.

True, point taken :) But that's the difference in perception, Occam's Razor doesn't have the same feel (for me that is) as Blind House. BH feels like a steady and straight ahead rock groove for me. Because of the accents Gavin plays in OR, it feels more like something in a slower tempo. So with these observations in mind, my conclusion would be that the tempo of OR is slower then BH (though they are the same). Because of that, I transcribe it as slower.

Sometimes I prefer feel and ease over how pretty things are when written out. I personally think that some of the concepts Gavin talks about are a different way of looking at things like the case with Incognito's "Always There" which Gavin outlines on one of his DVD's. I would regard that chorus part as slower because it feels slower to me. Of course I understand the principle behind it but I just find it easier to think its slowed down in tempo and speeds back up to normal tempo.

The same with Centered. That section where the middle section (which is at 8 = 191 bpm) goes back into the solo/verse section (which is at 4 = 127 bpm), instead of understanding it as a sub division that changes every bar (4 bars total), I find it easier to think of the metronome speeding up over 4 bars. Just my own preference. I think that's the important thing in making music, what ever works/feels good for you as a player is correct :)

hauk

09-03-2010, 05:52 AM

Which is why I'm more a jazz cat ;) Nah just kidding. I understand your point.

True, point taken :) But that's the difference in perception, Occam's Razor doesn't have the same feel (for me that is) as Blind House. BH feels like a steady and straight ahead rock groove for me. Because of the accents Gavin plays in OR, it feels more like something in a slower tempo. So with these observations in mind, my conclusion would be that the tempo of OR is slower then BH (though they are the same). Because of that, I transcribe it as slower.

Sometimes I prefer feel and ease over how pretty things are when written out. I personally think that some of the concepts Gavin talks about are a different way of looking at things like the case with Incognito's "Always There" which Gavin outlines on one of his DVD's. I would regard that chorus part as slower because it feels slower to me. Of course I understand the principle behind it but I just find it easier to think its slowed down in tempo and speeds back up to normal tempo.

The same with Centered. That section where the middle section (which is at 8 = 191 bpm) goes back into the solo/verse section (which is at 4 = 127 bpm), instead of understanding it as a sub division that changes every bar (4 bars total), I find it easier to think of the metronome speeding up over 4 bars. Just my own preference. I think that's the important thing in making music, what ever works/feels good for you as a player is correct :)

Fair enough. Personally, I started my musical experiences with classical percussion, so I suppose it's not surprising that I default to that background when looking at popular music. But by all means we should each feel things however the hell we want in order to get things done how we like :] - I completely agree that what works and feels good is right. Good luck to you in the future.

Aaaand now we can get back on topic.

Gavin Harrison

09-03-2010, 03:04 PM

Hi <3Josh<3

Quick question...do you happen to know if Puresound is still making the 12 strand wires?

I believe they've stopped making the custom 12 strands.

Hii mewvolk

I meant to ask earlier - how on earth do you arrange Occam's Razor live? Do you play to a click, cause I've never been able to find the tempo (let alone time signature) that those hits are in. I always assumed you'd signal each other for the hits, but when I saw you guys, I didn't see any signals - just all of you hitting those notes without even looking at each other.

It's just magic !!!!

Hi tah821

i watched a video the other day of a drumkit tour of yours, and noticed you were using a Tama Cobra Clutch with a Sonor hi-hat stand. Does it work ok? i have heard that Cobra Clutches only work with Tama stands.

It works fine. I know there's a Pearl hi hat stand that it doesn't work with - that particular stand has an off centre main rod.

Hi Schism21

I was wondering what you think is the best thing for a young progressive rock/metal drummer to study/practice. I want to master more progressive techniques without developing bad habits!

Control and timing are the best things to practise. Don't bother trying to play as fast as you can. After that you might want to think about odd time signatures. There's usually a good deal of that in Prog music.

Hi Russ Morse

How many sets of heads do you go through in a tour,are they all swapped out at the same time or single as needed?

Some heads wear out faster than others. Generally I change the top snare head (Remo C.S) every two shows - and that's pretty much the same for the 10" tom too. About every 3 shows I need to change the 8" and about every 4 shows I need to change the 12". Every 8 shows I change the 14". I hardly ever change the 16" - and the bass drum head lasts for years.

Hi Paul Nasstrom

Do you have any advise when it comes to my search for the right snare drum?

You just have to get lucky and find a drum that can produce a sound that you like and can work with. A lot of the attack comes from the way that you hit it - and how you are holding the sticks.

Hi facu

Do you use always the same shoes for playing?

Ha funny pictures. So yes I guess I do. Same old style Pumas.

Hi mpdrums

I want to know if you'll play songs from the 90's era also on the germany gigs in october like you've done it for example in Lodz or San Francisco before you toured with Coheed and Cambria? Or even more than on the Lodz and San Francisco Gigs in September?

I don't know exactly what we'll play yet - but I suspect we might play some of that old 90's stuff.

Hi scottishhaggis

Anyway, my question is: can you explain your type of holding sticks, are you only holding them that way when you play live, or does it depend on the song, or on how hard is the song. You hold them at almost very end of them. I tried such grip today on my drums, it felt kind of interesting and comfortable.

For some mystic reason that's common to most drummers - we practise a certain way at home and then we get with a band and play 3 times louder. So when I'm on stage with PT I grip the sticks like this. Left hand grip is mainly in the little finger wrapped around the very end of the stick - it works well for heavy rim shot back beats. The grip in the right hand is more with my middle and 3rd fingers - again right at the back of the sticks (with Vic Firth Rock sticks).
If I'm playing at home or on a quiet jazz gig I hold the sticks further up the shaft towards the 3/4 point (with Vic Firth 5a Extremes).

OK,OK "Occam's Razor" is to a click and Austin DV got it right.

cheers
Gavin

Moonloop

09-03-2010, 06:35 PM

Mr. Gavin Harrison you are my idol ! i wish i can watch u live someday ! covering porcupine tree songs is what i do best now :p

Phil Brodermann

09-04-2010, 01:00 AM

Hello Gavin and to anyone else who attended this evenings' Steve Gadd clinic.

What a fantastic night, I've never seen Steve live before, and it's certainly something I'd like to do again.

Gavin, was there a highlight for you?

Mine was casually asking the one and only Steve Gadd to 'play some swing time for us' haha.

It was nice to see you, and thanks for saying hello.

Phil

Austin DV

09-04-2010, 11:05 AM

SantiBanks

09-04-2010, 02:09 PM

I do understand what your saying, the only problem is that with 2 measures of 5/4 (90 bpm) you get 30 triplets, and with 4 measure of 4/4 (120 bpm) you get 32 8th notes, which at these respective tempos the triplets and eighth notes will line up perfectly, but your way of looking at "Occam's Razor" will come out a little earlier because the measures aren't quite long enough.

Not sure if I understand the latter part. Are you saying that if I would consider the whole piece in 5/4, I would end a little earlier? If that is what you mean then I should say that I don't regard the full piece as 5/4. Though I admit that wouldn't hold up with the principle of Occam's Razor itself…

pixelbreaker

09-04-2010, 08:12 PM

Hey Gavin,

I've been reading some of those posts from the link to the Coheed forum that was posted on PT's Twitter. Some of the responses are really nice and give good compliments, but some are really rude and say that they didn't like you guys. Back on tour did you ever wish that you had not been on that tour? Did you guys ever change some things on the setlist that might appeal to the Coheed fans more?

Thanks,
Branndon

Austin DV

09-05-2010, 09:21 PM

Not sure if I understand the latter part. Are you saying that if I would consider the whole piece in 5/4, I would end a little earlier? If that is what you mean then I should say that I don't regard the full piece as 5/4. Though I admit that wouldn't hold up with the principle of Occam's Razor itself…

So check out the pictures I attached. Pic 2 is the 4/4 way(I had to crop out 2 measures of 8th notes because it wouldn't let me attach the file) and pic 3 is the 5/4 way. Now the 4/4 way is actually at about 132bpm and the 5/4 way is at about 81.3 or so bpm. When the files are played next to each other, the 5/4 way will be 2 eighth notes short. Count out the notes, and keep in mind that triplets at 81.3 bpm are basically equal to eighth notes at 132bpm.

In 2 measures of 5/4 there will be 30 eighth note triplets at 81.3 bpm
In 4 measures of 4/4 there will be 32 eighth notes at 132 bpm

So since there is a two eighth note difference in the ways, they will end up being played differently if repeated.

Did that explain it better?