help identifying fake Ludwig

[theaniba]

Hi my first post, but I visit very often.

I bought old drums from a guy who found them in an old storage hall to be demolished. I got a ludwig snare from the 70s (14x6.5 vistalite), which I just refurbished, a paiste 2000 ride 18", a speedking pedal and an old sonor hi-hat plus bass and 2 toms. However, the bass drum and toms carried no badge. The bass head had a ludwig logo, but I doubt it is a ludwig (weird lugs, see pix, and metric bolts).

Does anybody know these lugs and bass clamps?

Thanks in advance for any help

[KarlCrafton]

That's a first for me, seeing that lug before.
A knock off like the Pearl lugs put on kits back in the 70's and 80's.

Kinda neat, but not Ludwig.
Could be a 70's drum (or earlier). Does it look like a 30+ year old drum?

There's a few very knowledgeable "Ludwig people" on the forum, maybe they've come across this lug before.

Good luck!

[harryconway]

The Japanese (Tama, Pearl and Yamaha) companies all made cheap, funky drums in the 60's. For example, Tama, made the Star line. You can look up Tama drum history. In 1967/68 Imperial Star and Royal Star lines emerged. 1974, Tama started putting out drums under the Tama name. Pearl went thru the same kind of development. Pearl flooded the market in 1961, with cheap drums, as the rock 'n' roll bug bit. Yamaha, actually, got a late start, had Yamaha badged drums out in 1967. So, what you have is probably a no-name, generic, Pearl or Tama kit.

[theaniba]

Thanks for the answers. I was a bit reluctant to discard a drumset not knowing its brand. The drum looks like pretty old and the ludwig snare is from 76. I will now try to find a new home for the BD and toms (maybe the village brassband) but I am keeping the ludwig snare to my grave.... I'm in love with it. I could not find the boxy sound people described with vistalite drums. It sounds great to me.... Maybe I have some hearing problems!!

Take care

[drumhammerer]

well, if you take the bottom heads off and put some hydraulics on them like they sometimes did in the 70's, then you could get that great boxy sound.

I've never seen those lugs either, but they do have those similar grooves the Ludwig lugs do, so they're probably just an Asian knock off.