Favorite Rudiment

[AE Gauthier]

My favorite rudiment has to be doubles, what's yours?

[burnthehero]

Singles.

I say that because that's the only rudiment I can actually pull off.

[SleightOfHand]

Sticks- Tripplets and flams
Bass - Ruffs (or is it roughs?) elnlighten me!

[RudimentalDrummer]

Between the two Doubles & Singles (I can Play both usually with Accents) but I love Singles more ...

[beatsMcGee]

oh man what a tought question... i really enjoy ruffs, and flams. paradiddles are fun too, but i cant forget singles and doubles... those are probably my favs.

[brittc89]

My favorites are the open-tap six rolls.

[Henry II]

I can't pic one, but here are a few I play:

- 6 stroke rolls forwards (aka paradiddle-diddle): RLRRLL; and inverted: RLLRRL, which is a Buddy Rich favorite too. (All singles are accented on both versions).
- Gadd's drumset ratamacue. (See Gadd's explanation).
- This 4 stroke sticking: RLLF with an accent on the R.
- Ratamatatt - a rudiment I made up about 30 years ago: RLLRLLRRLRRLRRLL. (All singles are accented).
- A nameless rudiment I made up after the ratamatatt: RLLRLLRLLRLLRRLL. (All R's are accented). This one is easily combined with the ratamatatt because both have 16 total strokes.

[rendezvous_drummer]

RLRR LRLL or RLLR LRRL

[Latin Groover]

Mine would be double stroke roll, parradiddle, five stroke roll and a six stroke roll. Its a thing my teacher made up. You play RllrrL and LrrllR. The first and last note are accented, its really a really good rudiment to play. When played real fast it sounds great cause of the two accents one after another. Try it.

[Wegadrummer]

Double strokes roll and RLLRLLRL

[Latin Groover]

Double strokes roll and RLLRLLRL


When u play sticking concepts like RLLRLLRL or RLLRLRLLRL where do u place ur accents like most people would play them on the R, but try changing it round a bit, and then try mixing it in with ur playing and u can cum up with sum pretty creative lines.

[DrumProgressive]

What i do alot to practice is playing singles with one hand and switching to the other wtih a triplet or some doubles. Don't ask me about accents because i really can't controle them,... YET ! ;)

(ps: whats a ruff ?)

[Wegadrummer]

When u play sticking concepts like RLLRLLRL or RLLRLRLLRL where do u place ur accents like most people would play them on the R, but try changing it round a bit, and then try mixing it in with ur playing and u can cum up with sum pretty creative lines.

yeah, i do that.. the reason i love the RLLRLLRL is because of the stanton moore video..
http://drummerworld.com/Videos/stantonmoorerrl.html
you can really make thing funked up with that..

[bigbang]

flams definatly , sound really cool around the kit. in fills also i find myself using what some refer to as the "cobham rudiment" around the kit lately.It's the fill that Carter Beauford uses alot, most notabily at the end of "ants marching".Sounds real messed up when the kick is added into it.

[incubotic]

haha..there's so many crazy things he's doing at the end of that song..which fill is it?

[georgebird]

inverted doubles are amazing. both in grooves and fills. i use them loads

check out tower of power "oakland stroke" that groove is immense.

[bigbang]

haha..there's so many crazy things he's doing at the end of that song..which fill is it?
it's hard to explain without writing it out( at least for me it is )It's kinda like a triplet feel within the parameters of straight sixteenth notes and going over the bar. If that makes any sense at all...lol

[sonor_dude]

my favorite rudiment has got to be the good old 5 stroke roll....u can play it anywhere!

[DrumProgressive]

It took me a while to make this picture, but this is one of my favorite warm up rudiments.

[jonescrusher]

My favourite at the moment is the Bloosh-da. Sounds cool when played 'messily' and divided around the toms and kick drum.....

[moosryan]

Huge swiss triplet fan here, also 5 and 6 stroke rolls, and Paraddidles of Course. Lesson 25 is really fun too, I recently played a full rudimental solo based around it.

[arjunchawda]

Paraddidle's & Five Stroke Rolls

[aahznightsky]

Other than the variants of the six stroke, I also love swiss triplets (played fast enough they turn into a double stroke roll :-O ! ) and also flammed mills. Those guys are really really fun to move around the set...

[Latin Groover]

It took me a while to make this picture, but this is one of my favorite warm up rudiments.

This is a great rudiment, i just tried it, and it is really good. Iv said wat my main fav rudiments r already but my two absoulute favs have to be double stroke roll and five stroke. Like Sonor Dude put it. "You can put them anywhere." And u can, i like play them at the end of fills. At the end of a 8th note fill or sumthing put in a 16th note five stroke roll then crash on the '1' and the 'and'. (Great to do) Then even splash on 2 with the snare.

[averypoordrummer]

flams.
split them between drums, e.g the high tom and the floor tom and it sounds cool. i do this all the time, great in ballads for a really BIG sound and in heavy, slow rock

[Ducky]

whoa, explain some of these things guys. help a n00b out.

[foursticks]

drags and doubles strokes for me...

[drumbig]

Cool thread!! I just learned what a ratamaceu is. Here is a rudament I find myself playing a lot. RLRRLRLLRLRRRLL It's just tacking on RLRRRLL to the end of a paradiddle.Sounds cool between ride and snare.

[Sar]

I love em' all they are sweet!

But my favorites have to be...

7 stroke roll
Ratamacue (single, double and triple)
Flammed mills
Pataflafla *You should try playing this going over all the toms while keeping a constant 1 2 3 4 on the drumset, it gives you a bit of a latin beat*
All paraddidle rudiments
Cheeses (Flams with a diddle)
Oh, boy I could go for ages

Oh, and how could I forget?!
Swisses (swiss army triplets)

Man I love marching band!!!

[rock_drummer91]

I would have to say he paradiddle is my favorite rudiment.

[Slingerland]

My favorite rudiment has to be the 6 stroke roll, and swiss army triplets around the kit. I also have a double parradiddle groove I love to play, it's very Steve Gaddish.

[Drummin_Dan]

I can't pic one, but here are a few I play:

- 6 stroke rolls forwards (aka paradiddle-diddle): RLRRLL; and inverted: RLLRRL, which is a Buddy Rich favorite too. (All singles are accented on both versions).
- Gadd's drumset ratamacue. (See Gadd's explanation).
- This 4 stroke sticking: RLLF with an accent on the R.
- Ratamatatt - a rudiment I made up about 30 years ago: RLLRLLRRLRRLRRLL. (All singles are accented).
- A nameless rudiment I made up after the ratamatatt: RLLRLLRLLRLLRRLL. (All R's are accented). This one is easily combined with the ratamatatt because both have 16 total strokes.

The ratamatatt breaks down into an alternating paradiddle/doubles pattern:

RLLR LLRR LRRL RRLL

and the other one was:

RLLR LLRL LRLL RRLL

I'm trying to work myself into thinking of stickings in terms of relations and not so much different rudiments. I mean, considering the possibilities with even a single figure:

paradiddle: RLRR, LRLL, RLLR, LRRL, RRLR, LLRL, you can apply a pattern based off of just those patterns:

RLRRLRRLRRLRLRRL or RLRR LRRL RRLR LRRL.

RRLR RLRR LRRL RRLR RLRR LRRL (this would be more of an over the barline figure)

You would hear it as: RRL RRL RRL RRL RRL RRL RRL

Orchestration always plays a big part in how unrelated it can be to stickings.

The alternation between drums can create a tonal effect by giving the illusion that a the drummer is using a certain sticking which may not be the case. IE: supposing between two drums (of a higher and lower pitch): you'd hear something in 8th notes like this: _ - - _ - - _ - - _ _ - _ _ - _ . There are alot of possibilities. Any of the given single/double note patterns can fit within that structure of orchestration. My philosophy on this is that the main importance of sticking patterns is to make transitions and fills more fluid and easy to maneuver around the kit by implimenting them to an orchestration. So, what that ends up doing is that a double on one hand may provide the hand enough time to accent a cymbal or create another texture by having the extra time to move. Anyways, the application of rhythm, orchestration can be applied as well to the kick drum. The whole idea of this seems to go on into the products of limb independence and things like that. There are SO many options I don't like to think of getting stuck in a single rhythmic idea. It's just practicing enough to expand your vocabulary and be musical in your playing. I feel that the purpose of all these exercises is to create a more musical approach to playing. I think the most fun thing to toy with though is the foot/hand doubles. the RL (kick kick), If can be Right and Left foot or just a double, but the whole RL BB RL BB leaves alot of room for creativity. Not to mention, you can change note values and use the same pattern. You can add or subtract notes etc. RL RL BB. I try not to get caught up in the whole idea of rhythms as being "rudiments". They are all extentions of texture. I don't mean I don't practice using rudiments, but I feel that a more applied approach to inserting them into playing creates a more fundamental use for it. That was sort of long winded. I hope someone is on the same page with me here...

[ErNeStIn_182]

Paradiddles

6 stroke roll

I dont "dominate" them corectly but i have fun practicing them :D

[Loge]

Paradiddle-diddle (RLRRLL or LRLLRR) - good for fast powerful fills on the toms.

Paradiddle (RLLRLRRL) - When applied between the Kick and Snare as KSSKSKKS -
playing straight 8th notes on ride or hat and accenting the third Snare hit while ghosting
the other Snare notes makes a nice backbeat groove.

Four stroke ruff (RLRL or LRLR) - again good around the toms.

[Drummer Karl]

I love "my" Para-para-diddle-diddle...(RLRLRRLL)
Next time I will record groove variations with it...

[Ashbash]

Most of the time I don't actually do rudiments as such (though i should) but just improv with singles and doubles on different drums. It turns out quite nicely. But when I do "rudamentise", I like all the six stroke ones

[LongSnapper]

I am just getting back into this after a 22 year hiatus.

I used to combine a single ratamacue with a single paradiddle, and it sounded cool.

I would love to give you the notation on it, but for the life of me I can't remember how in the hell I did it!

As soon as I figure it out again, I'll let you know!

When I did solos, I did more single and double rolls across the drums, and used that as a sort of break, or bridge between them

It sounded pretty cool, and a little like Danny Seraphine, maybe. But like I said, I can't remember how I did it.

Stay tuned!

[Stu_Strib]

Lesson 25, because it has the dumbest name.

[DrumProgressive]

For those really interested in rudiments i really recommend visiting the mark wessel page on vicfirth.com
There really a lot of usefull stuff there.
Here's a link: http://www.vicfirth.com/education/features/freshapproach/intro.html

[Perky]

My favorite is doubles because it makes me feel faster
When I play singles I am slow as crap HA

[trampe]

This one is fun: RLR RLR LLR LRR LRL LRL RRL RLL.
Its just a single paradiddle played in triplets. (Is that right?)

[Latin Groover]

This one is fun: RLR RLR LLR LRR LRL LRL RRL RLL.
Its just a single paradiddle played in triplets. (Is that right?)

Yea that's right, thats also quite good.

[georgebird]

can someone explain mills and pataflaflas

[Stu_Strib]

can someone explain mills and pataflaflas


pataflafla (http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/27pataflafla.html)

and then

single flammed mill (http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/25flammedmill.html)

The pata fla fla is just running 16th notes, with flams added to the "a"s and the 1, 2, 3 and 4

1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a

flams on all the numbers and a flam on the "a" right before each number.


The single flammed mill is just an inverted paradiddle with a flam on the first note

fRRLR fLLRL

The videos on vic firth explain it pretty good

[kzdruma]

Has to be the parrididdle! Once you work it up to speed it is a great tool!

[human beatbox]

Triplets for defininte, especially around the kit

Gets a jungle feel ;)

[AvengedDrummer]

I know for some drummers this is like asking what is your favorite kind of dental floss, but I thought it wold be a good question... Personaly mine is the Triple Ratamacue leading with the left, for a little challenge.

[Wegadrummer]

Well, i like LRLLRLRR..

[Drummer Karl]

Oh, there are maaaany...like paradiddle and the variations of it...FLAM!!! and ruff, rolls, ratamacue...mhhh, but no real favorite

Karl

[TonKpilS_657]

the 7 stroke roll is my favorite. not sure why though. probably because its the rudiment they judge us on at all region tryouts here in arkansas.

[millerdakiller]

paradiddle-diddles

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[Drummerboy3940]

probrably flam diddles and flam taps and paradiddles

[Class A Drummer]

RLRR LRRL RLRR LRLL repeat. Left always on the snare, right usually on ride or hi-hat. can be used on toms. or if you want even the snare :D

[FunkDrummer89]

Flam drags baby! i love flam drags, my top speed is 198 bpm 16th notes. i also like paradiddles but they are a bit easy once you get the proper bounce tech.

[secondXheartbeat]

flamacue
ratamacue
5 stroke roll (try on snare with release note on cymbal, always a nice fill)
paradiddle
crushed 7s

I don't really use rudiments that much in my playing, but when I do, its usually those above.

[Drums558]

I don't know what my favorite is but the ones I use most in my playing are;
5 stroke rolls as described by SecondX.
6 stroke rolls.
Swiss triplets.
RllrLrrl paradiddles.
Flams all over the place.

[progressivedrummer]

Flam taps and swiss army triplets.

[MuDvAyNe]

5 stroke roll
3 stroke ruff with the feet

[radiofriendlyunitshifter]

paradiddle





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[ElvinBaRkerDennis13]

Flam taps and swiss army triplets.
yes!!! this and triplet diddles, i friggin love it,

[choki]

single strokes and double strokes, comes in handy all of the time.

[Wegadrummer]

single strokes and double strokes, comes in handy all of the time.

Oh yeah.. can`t say no to those..

[deltadrummer1]

Flam drags baby! i love flam drags, my top speed is 198 bpm 16th notes. i also like paradiddles but they are a bit easy once you get the proper bounce tech.

And that's what I'm struggling with! The proper bounce technique on the accented R. It's too strong..stronger than my left hand. I bring it up too high...but anyway..yeah paradiddles are fun! And once you work them up to speed...you can make a solo out of them and variations of them ha love it!

[drumsdrumsdrums]

Yes i have the same problem with the pardadidles..my right hand is too much stronger on the other one. But it's all good nothing practice can't fix.

[LittleDrummer]

I know for some drummers this is like asking what is your favorite kind of dental floss, but I thought it wold be a good question... Personaly mine is the Triple Ratamacue leading with the left, for a little challenge.

apparently we share same drumming interests

[Backwards Marathon]

ilike RLRL but the RLR played as a triplet. it makes for a nice fill

[LinearDrummer]

Heres a few I like - (bold is accents)

Inverted paradiddle - RLLRLRRLRLLRLRRL.....
My wannabee Tony Williams flam lick - R-F-rl-F-rll....small letters are ghost....

[pounder]

I don't know if this is a true rudiment, but I love it. It's like a variation on the paraddile-diddle:

RLLRR LRRLL


Pounder

[sabian_aax]

double paradiddle :)

[DillingerEscp]

paradiddle diddles ftw

[Bernhard]

There is no favorite rudiment....I hate them all...

Buddy Rich

[stumprrp]

Doubles
Singles
Rolls
Paradiddles
Paradiddle-diddles
Drags

and a ruff paradiddle my teacher taught me..

RLR LL RLRR LRLL RL the RLR is 32nd notes

[Paradiddle my snizzle]

I don't know if this is a true rudiment, but I love it. It's like a variation on the paraddile-diddle:

RLLRR LRRLL

Pounder

Do you do it with an accent like this:
<.........<
RLLRR LRRLL?

Or do you:
<.......<.......<.......<.......<
RLLR RLRR LLRL LRRL RRLL

and then switch so you start with the left?

[Degas]

The seven.....fun to try to come up with different voicings and sounds gravy gravy gravy....well right now it is my favorite ...but ask me again next week lol

[torben]

Either the basic paradiddle or a basic flam...

Simple but effective, a bit like me really...

[drumlineguy]

SWISS ARMY TRIPLETS!

[badlydubbedsean]

Let's keep it simple shall we? I like doubles :D

[Robin]

I like to do a combination like this:

2 singles
2 doubles
3 triplets

It works in 9/8.

[YAMAHA DRUMMER]

My Favorite Rudiments are : flams , paradiddels , 1 2 5 6 7 9 stroke rolls , triplets , all in all , i like them all .

[Class A Drummer]

I dont have a particular favorite rudiment, but my favorite name for a rudiment is

Pataflata. I think its called a pataflata atleast.

[shuffle]

I dont have a particular favorite rudiment, but my favorite name for a rudiment is

Pataflata. I think its called a pataflata atleast.


Pataflafla


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[Muckster]

Paradiddles and Swiss Army triplets

[sloppyn9ne]

anyone know what book reports are? omg i love those they are so much fun.

[badlydubbedsean]

I made my own. Well, it's probably already been found but anyways. . .

RLRRLRRL RLRRLRRL
or
LRLLRLLR LRLLRLLR

Then you can play it on the snare / hi hat instead of plain RLRLRL like this:

R L R R L R R L
H H H H S H H H

Where
H = Hi Hat
S= Snare

[jonescrusher]

Blushdas blended with Swiss Triplets....

[badlydubbedsean]

Blushdas blended with Swiss Triplets....

I don't like the rudiments but I love their names. . .

[sloppyn9ne]

I made my own. Well, it's probably already been found but anyways. . .

RLRRLRRL RLRRLRRL
or
LRLLRLLR LRLLRLLR

Then you can play it on the snare / hi hat instead of plain RLRLRL like this:

R L R R L R R L
H H H H S H H H

Where
H = Hi Hat
S= Snare

i do those too. they're really fun. i dont think they have a certain name though.

[Drumodad]

pataflafla, love the sound of locomotives

[Drumodad]

There is no favorite rudiment....I hate them all...

Buddy Rich

And no one did them better , thanks Bernard!

[HardcoreLogo]

I like 6 stroke rolls and inversions(paradiddlediddle etc) and really any rudiment in 6 played as triplets broken up and voiced around the kit....5 stroke rolls can spice up a boring 16th note fill, or dress up a hi hat pattern.....swiss triplets rock and of course the million and one things you can do with the paradiddle family. I use drags quite a bite as well.........

[PIPER561]

Six Strock Rolls would have to be my favorite. Espicially played as sextuplets. They work great in a jazz setting. I also find myself playing alot of flams, and drags, also for jazz.

[jazzin']

right now I'm obsessed with paradiddle-diddle. Either straight up around the kit or one combo I've been playing alot with is adding a kick at the end to create a seven.

-Floor tom (R), snare (L), Snare double (RR), rack tom (LL), kick - and combinations thereof.

Or adding it to the third partial of a triplet creates a very cool sound eg. SSK, TSS, SK(TSSSSSK) -in seven and back to one. great sound!

[thecraponline]

Paradiddles. Great fun!

In fact, that's just about the only rudiment I know, aside from singles, doubles, and flams.

[Stvst29]

right now I'm obsessed with paradiddle-diddle. Either straight up around the kit or one combo I've been playing alot with is adding a kick at the end to create a seven.

-Floor tom (R), snare (L), Snare double (RR), rack tom (LL), kick - and combinations thereof.

Or adding it to the third partial of a triplet creates a very cool sound eg. SSK, TSS, SK(TSSSSSK) -in seven and back to one. great sound!\


me too! I love them because you can do some complex rolls involving alot of different elements

[Ian Williams]

Paradiddles are great - single, double, triple, paradiddle-diddle.

[vegassuper]

Ratamacues of any sort

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Ratamacues of any sort

Ok vegas......I took limited approach to rudiments when I was playing live. Singles, doubles (including the 5, 7 & 9 stroke rolls), diddles, flams and flam accents were about it. Since finding new enthusiam after a break, I'm back trying to learn ALL the rudiments........ratamacues being one of them.

That said, I'm always interested in how others apply the rudiments that I never bothered with, to the drum kit. What 'voicing' do you lend to the sticking of a ratamacue around the kit? And what about double and tripple rats? I'm looking for some ideas to either steal, or adapt for myself.

[ATwoSlotToaster]

Invert Cheeses (probably just because I marched drum corps).

[DrewB76]

HA! This is funny timing, I was just having a conversation about this with a friend and decided that if I had to pick two rudiments I use the most and call on the most is would be the Paradiddle and Flam Accent.

[virfirjans]

My favourite rudiments at the moment are paradidledidle (RLRRLL, LRLLRR) and doubleparadidle (RLRLRR, LRLRLL).
The first one is incredible to do quick 6s around the kit in fills and grooves.
The doubleparadidle helps you to develope very funny latin grooves in 6/8.
I have recorded with my td3 an example of this:
Here you can see a groove based on paradidledidle:

http://www.goear.com/listen/0e33fb9/patron-paradidledidle-virfirjans

And a percusion part based on double paradidle:

http://www.goear.com/listen/fdc3491/patron-double-paradidle-virfirjans

Then I mixed it with a bass and the 6/8 clave and this was the result:

http://www.goear.com/listen/a271a9b/idea-a-partir-de-paradidles-atresillados-virfirjans

And for the study, in order to develope a good hand definitions, the best rudiments, with no doubt, are flams.

[Volentry]

6 stroke rolls, and double strokes. :D

[vegassuper]

Ok vegas......I took limited approach to rudiments when I was playing live. Singles, doubles (including the 5, 7 & 9 stroke rolls), diddles, flams and flam accents were about it. Since finding new enthusiam after a break, I'm back trying to learn ALL the rudiments........ratamacues being one of them.

That said, I'm always interested in how others apply the rudiments that I never bothered with, to the drum kit. What 'voicing' do you lend to the sticking of a ratamacue around the kit? And what about double and tripple rats? I'm looking for some ideas to either steal, or adapt for myself.
Gee Pocket I wish I was far enough along in my playing that I could give some long technically awesome response but I am just working my way through the book "The Drummer's Complete Vocabulary as Taught by Alan Dawson" by John Ramsey and so far the ratamacue is simply the rudiment I enjoy playing the most. I am just now experimenting with moving it from the snare to other parts of the kit. Very sorry I couldn't be of more help.

[JoeLackey]

Drag Patty, Book Report, Flam Drag, and Dragadiddle are my favorites. They are alot of fun.

[Toza]

Ratamacue Flam alternating: llR L R rL - rrL R L lR