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Pollyanna
09-25-2009, 03:48 PM
I asked Wy about the name of the beat that lots of beginners (and some daggy old farts like me :) play when they are trying to flow. He told me it was called the boogaloo. Here's some boogaloo variations from a pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZHeu6xDZM

Not long ago a couple of members told me about the money beat - the straight beat so many of us play. Here are some awesome money beats at a clinic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuItPjE8ek ... plus some of the best air drumming I've seen near the 2 minute mark :)

What are some of the beats you love yo play? Any style - rock, jazz, blues, classical, whatever. Is there a name for them? Great if you can add links ...

aydee
09-25-2009, 04:26 PM
...

clyde stubblefield - funky drummer groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xSXc1vy5I

subsequently updated by Dennis Chambers- fatback groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04VtMZnOFPE

Steve Gadd - 50 ways groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8

Bernard Purdie- Half time Shuffle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0VlzJeNvA

subsequebtly updated by Dennis Chambers who wanted blow it out of the water!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YEG0WX4Hcc


Will Kennedy- Mugabe groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhtbiTZ0uA

...

GRUNTERSDAD
09-25-2009, 05:15 PM
When I was a mere youth growing up in the 60's with Motown, the most popular was what we called fatback.

Pollyanna
09-25-2009, 06:08 PM
you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni5ELUVM2eI

cool beat!

Pollyanna
09-26-2009, 01:31 AM
Just found Rich Redmond deminstrating the straight money beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcjkXsbP10&NR

larryace
09-26-2009, 03:58 PM
The Texas shuffle springs to mind.

Pollyanna
09-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Thanks Larry. I should have remembered that one!

Here's an example of it played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2rNE5J0KI. The drummers I've seen play the beat in blues band played it with a lighter, jazzier feel than this guy.

larryace
09-26-2009, 04:14 PM
Bernard Purdie must have a certain degree of satisfaction knowing that a beat forever bears his name. How many other beats has the originator's name? I can't think of any besides BP.

Pollyanna
09-26-2009, 05:00 PM
I can't think of any. Aydee mentioned the 50 Ways Groove by Steve Gadd but that got credited to the tune. I think that's more a distinctive one-off than a standard; I've not heard anyone play it to another tune

NUTHA JASON
09-26-2009, 08:08 PM
the train beat and its variants - my favourite being gallows pole by led zep.

one drop reggae

i also like a lot of world beats like the soukous, the mozambique, the 6/8 mambo and the cruzado samba ... the list is enormous now that i start thinking of it.

j

Pollyanna
09-27-2009, 03:46 AM
the train beat and its variants - my favourite being gallows pole by led zep.

one drop reggae

i also like a lot of world beats like the soukous, the mozambique, the 6/8 mambo and the cruzado samba ... the list is enormous now that i start thinking of it.

Yeah, the train beat (http://www.drumsdatabase.com/trainbeat.htm). Good pickup, Jason. Agree about Gallows Pole - great. The drummer of an Aussie/Kiwi band, Kevin Borich Express, John Annas, used to do a killer train beat in Going Dowtown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8N_fmTi1S0) (unfortunately this link has another drummer who is good but not a monster like John was).

Another I've heard mentioned is the rock steady beat but I'm not sure what it is. Is that like the start of Honky Tonk Women?

And, to confirm, is the one drop reggae beat the one where you play slightly swung 1/8s on the hats and the kick drum on three?

I don't know the world beats you mention, though. Are there any examples? Googling hasn't been much help in all this, hence the thread. For some reason I find that talk of different rhythms is good for breaking out of drumming ruts and avoiding always playing the same old same old.

Cheers!

larryace
09-27-2009, 06:27 AM
Agreed Polly rhythms are really what it's all about. I like this thread because it will remind me of beats I likely' haven't thought about lately, like Boogaloo.

aydee
09-27-2009, 07:54 AM
Towards the end of this preview ( 2:58 ) , Roger Biwandu demonstrates the how-to-earn-a-living beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpZwMx_1RyY

Pollyanna
09-27-2009, 12:23 PM
The money beat again!

Ah, another one just came to mind - the Bo Diddley Beat.

It's been played by a lot of people - The Stones - Not Fade Away, George Michael - Faith, The Doors - Who Do you Love, David Bowie - Panic in Detriot and no doubt many more. I think my fave rendition is by John Densmore in The Door's version of Who Do You Love.

Yeah Larry, that's what I was hoping for - a little treasure trove of great beats, often already known but just as often forgotten.

Pollyanna
10-03-2009, 05:41 PM
A recent post by rhydianjlewis mentioned a hip hop beat called "the amen break", which I've found is based on an old gospel song Amen, brother.

Here's a mini documentary vid about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

rhydianjlewis
10-03-2009, 05:53 PM
Amen to that!

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rhydianjlewis
10-03-2009, 05:56 PM
And i agree with larryace, you forget the huge range of rhythms and possibilities within drumming sometimes, and its good to bring them back. listening to gallows pole now, awesome.

Steady Freddy
10-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Another I've heard mentioned is the rock steady beat but I'm not sure what it is. Is that like the start of Honky Tonk Women?


The Rock Steady break is from the tune Rock Steady by Aretha Franklin with Bernard Purdie on drums. It was released in 71,

I heard a story that during that session Aretha dropped the sheet music and everyone stopped playing except for Bernard. Maybe it's an urban legend, but it's one of the greatest drum breaks ever.

Deltadrummer
10-03-2009, 07:40 PM
The Rock Steady break is from the tune Rock Steady by Aretha Franklin with Bernard Purdie on drums. It was released in 71,

I heard a story that during that session Aretha dropped the sheet music and everyone stopped playing except for Bernard. Maybe it's an urban legend, but it's one of the greatest drum breaks ever.

It's not. I heard Purdie tell the story. The "rock . . .steady" during that part is Aretha keeping the singing going while on her knees getting the music.

another great groove is Soul Vaccination from Tower of Power. and Oakland Stroke or What is Hip? I don't think David Garibaldi is often given enough of his props.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c0QEgJ_0l0

Pollyanna
10-23-2009, 02:06 PM
Just read someone chatting about the Funky Drummer Groove which Aydee posted before. Here's the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx69x111Yx4

Wavelength
10-23-2009, 07:12 PM
How many other beats has the originator's name? I can't think of any besides BP.

I hear the "Train" beat was invented by Jeff "Train" Wratts.

larryace
10-23-2009, 07:36 PM
Ha ha Wave, you're not tripping me up on that one....

Neil
04-09-2010, 08:41 PM
I've just stumbled across this thread, very interesting listenting to all the videos linked, I've booked marked them all. It's great how some beats are so simple yet way played with that special *something* really make a tune. Certainly my rendintion of 'Alright Now' needs some work to get really grooving.

Strangelove
04-09-2010, 10:01 PM
Anything by the father of all polyrythms - Bernard Purdie............................don't need to splain no mre!

brady
04-10-2010, 01:49 AM
Anything by the father of all polyrythms - Bernard Purdie............................don't need to splain no mre!



Speaking of 'splaining, what is the 'correct' way to play the half-time shuffle. With the left...
Do you play the middle partial of the third triplet immediately after the accent or do you leave it out and resume the ghost notes in the middle of the fourth triplet? Or is either acceptable? I've been messing around with it lately doing both versions.

Strangelove
04-10-2010, 07:45 AM
Speaking of 'splaining, what is the 'correct' way to play the half-time shuffle. With the left...
Do you play the middle partial of the third triplet immediately after the accent or do you leave it out and resume the ghost notes in the middle of the fourth triplet? Or is either acceptable? I've been messing around with it lately doing both versions.

The triplet is hat ghost hat - try practicing that by itself like Porcaro says in his video. Then work the snare note in when you are pretty proficient with the triplet and it sounds like you have a rythm going instead of a mechanical practice exercise. Then add the bass part as you are comfortable. It's probably easiest to go from the Purdie to the Fool in the Rain to the Roseanna shuffle in stages on the bass than to start the Roseanna (Bo Diddley) five bass note signature immediately. You have to be polyrythmic coordinated - ie your lower half is working on one rythm while your upper half is doing another - that's why Jeff says it's for intermediate drummers. I am no drum teacher by any means, but this is the best I can "splain" that. Another approach is to learn the Purdie shuffle first.

BassDriver
04-10-2010, 11:36 AM
Don't forget the "We will rock you groove".

Strangelove
04-10-2010, 10:43 PM
Speaking of 'splaining, what is the 'correct' way to play the half-time shuffle. With the left...
Do you play the middle partial of the third triplet immediately after the accent or do you leave it out and resume the ghost notes in the middle of the fourth triplet? Or is either acceptable? I've been messing around with it lately doing both versions.

Sorry, my last answer probably didn't even address your question. OK, if I understand what you are asking, then I play it with ghost notes on each triplet except the third triplet which has the backbeat full strike on the snare. Is that better?

brady
04-11-2010, 06:23 AM
Sorry, my last answer probably didn't even address your question. OK, if I understand what you are asking, then I play it with ghost notes on each triplet except the third triplet which has the backbeat full strike on the snare. Is that better?


Yeah, that's better. Thank you. As I said, I have been playing it both ways; with the ghosted 'trip' on 3, and without. One just sounds busier than the other...obviously Probably cool if that's what you're going for.
I like both ways, I was just wondering which was the "correct" Purdie shuffle. Thanks.

Michael McDanial
04-11-2010, 10:03 AM
I like a lot of Latin beats, though I don't know the names for them.

joeysnare
04-12-2010, 04:18 PM
i love playing the simple but fast stuff. traditional blasts, bomb blasts, corpse blasts, skank beats, gallop beats and lord help me i like to try and play it but i still suck at the shuffle lol.

mcbike
04-13-2010, 01:34 AM
polka
two step
jig
reel
truffle (this one I think I made up, it's a train/shuffle)
second line
slip jig (this is common in irish music it's a fast 9/8)
bastard polka (my band does alot of songs and we call this one feel a bastard polka, but it's just a really HARD swung polka.

Aeolian
04-13-2010, 05:07 AM
Playing with trad blues guys there are a million variations of shuffle.

Double shuffle
Rock shuffle (done with the kick drum and something the trad guys will turn up their noses at)
Texas shuffle
Backwards shuffle
Swing shuffle

There's another one that I don't know what its called that's all double hits together on the ride and snare (and one, and two...)

Then you get combinations like Tom Brecthlien does on Robben Ford's Misdirected Blues where he's doing a conventional double shuffle but bouncing the hat in a backwards shuffle.

BassDriver
04-17-2010, 03:54 AM
Can someone find an example of Bo Diddley?

Pollyanna
06-26-2010, 05:59 AM
Can someone find an example of Bo Diddley?

The Stones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_zum97kjE

The Doors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EmD32AQzaQ

This leads me to a question that's been plaguing me ... I am clueless when it comes to identifying Latin / Afro-Cuban etc rhythms ...

There's a beat I often play and I'm sure it has a name. Does anyone know? It's in the main theme of The Doors's Who Do You Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECk9A-07Pw).

Some time ago I found a site that clearly identified Latin beats and had small audio samples of each but I lost the link ... does anyone know the site?

Deltadrummer
06-26-2010, 04:20 PM
Great stuff Polly, and then you have this . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjl_b7QbsyE

You really know your Bo Diddley.

Pollyanna
06-26-2010, 04:54 PM
Ah yes, the old Rosanna beat - a Bo Diddley and a Purdie shuffle all in one. Boy, did Jeff's talent save that group from terminal boringness! :)

Ken, do you know what the Who Do You Love beat is called?

Deltadrummer
06-26-2010, 05:01 PM
Ah yes, the old Rosanna beat - a Bo Diddley and a Purdie shuffle all in one. Boy, did Jeff's talent save that group from terminal boringness! :)

Ken, do you know what the Who Do You Love beat is called?

It's another Bo Diddley.

larryace
06-26-2010, 05:06 PM
As an aside, poor guitarists in the south would hammer 2 nails in the side of a barn or something, stretch a piece of baling or other wire between the nails and play it with a slide...The structure would act like a big guitar body.
They called that a Diddley Bow.
Gotta wonder if that's the origin of Bo's name.

Pollyanna
06-26-2010, 05:14 PM
It's another Bo Diddley.

Really?? But the beats seem so different to me! Dum .. dum dadum dada dum vs Da da dum da dada da dum dum.

Last week my band decided to do uptempo versions of our quiet numbers because we keep getting non-chill gigs and end up boring everyone to tears. Cry Me a River is one of those songs ... I've attached the revved-up version (please pardon massive roughness, it's a work in progress).

So that beat is a Bo Diddley variation too? Not some kind of Latin-y rumba nova thingamabob? Sorry to labour the point and please pardon my ignorance but I'm curious ...

Deltadrummer
06-26-2010, 05:44 PM
Really?? But the beats seem so different to me! Dum .. dum dadum dada dum vs Da da dum da dada da dum dum.

Last week my band decided to do uptempo versions of our quiet numbers because we keep getting non-chill gigs and end up boring everyone to tears. Cry Me a River is one of those songs ... I've attached the revved-up version (please pardon massive roughness, it's a work in progress).

So that beat is a Bo Diddley variation too? Not some kind of Latin-y rumba nova thingamabob? Sorry to labour the point and please pardon my ignorance but I'm curious ...

The George Thorogood link doesn't go into the Bo Diddley until after the intro. It doesn't do that intro on the studio version from what I recall.

A lot of music of the late 1950s early 1960s has faux Latin beats. Drifters are a good example, Ray Charles. I think the Bo Diddley could be termed a faux Latin beat. The Bo Diddley has a clave thing going on. Your Cry Me a River is not really a Bo Diddley variation. If anything Latin, it's a funked up rumba.

Pollyanna
06-26-2010, 05:56 PM
The George Thorogood link doesn't go into the Bo Diddley until after the intro. It doesn't do that intro on the studio version from what I recall.

A lot of music of the late 1950s early 1960s has faux Latin beats. Drifters are a good example, Ray Charles. I think the Bo Diddley could be termed a faux Latin beat. The Bo Diddley has a clave thing going on. Your Cry Me a River is not really a Bo Diddley variation. If anything Latin, it's a funked up rumba.

Which George Thorogood link is that, Ken?

Aha! I was wondering if it was some kind of rumba. Thanks for that. I had a suspicion that I often play rumba variations. Apologies for inflicting our fucked up rumba on you ... hopefully you didn't wade through all of the many bum notes, guitar mistimings and missed rimshots!

Strangelove
06-26-2010, 07:45 PM
Porcaro actually blended 3 beats to come up with the Rosanna Shuffle - Purdie's Half Time Shuffle, Bonham's Fool in the Rain Shuffle, and Diddley's signature beat. He breaks it down here:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/jeffporcaroshuffle.html

PS - a bit of trivia here, but did you know that Rosanna was written about Rosanna Arquette? Apparently Jeff's bro Steve and her were an item at the time.

Strangelove
06-26-2010, 08:27 PM
Last week my band decided to do uptempo versions of our quiet numbers because we keep getting non-chill gigs and end up boring everyone to tears. Cry Me a River is one of those songs ... I've attached the revved-up version (please pardon massive roughness, it's a work in progress).


Nice transition. BTW, have you ever heard this song from Santana?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIclT8Su6fQ

It really doesn't kick in until about 1:40.

Aeolian
06-26-2010, 11:11 PM
A buddy who's great at playing it tells me that what folks commonly call a rhumba is actually a calypso beat.

Pollyanna
06-27-2010, 04:41 AM
Nice transition. BTW, have you ever heard this song from Santana?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIclT8Su6fQ

It really doesn't kick in until about 1:40.

Cheers, Doctor. Our normal version is a slow blues with brushes :)

The Uncle Carlos number is a samba, isn't it?


A buddy who's great at playing it tells me that what folks commonly call a rhumba is actually a calypso beat.

Which then begs the question - what's the difference between them?

My (very limited) understanding:

Bo Diddley
xooxoxxo ooxoxooo

Rumba
xooxooxo xoxxxxxo

The Doors's Touch Me and my group's Cry Me a River
xoxoxoox oxoxxoxo

Calypso (according to a YouTube vid I just looked up)
xooxxoxo xooxxoxo

I've often played variations on what I've written as a calypso beat but I always thought of it as an Afro-style beat because I've heard Osibisa play it :)

Strangelove
06-27-2010, 05:30 AM
Cheers, Doctor. Our normal version is a slow blues with brushes :)

The Uncle Carlos number is a samba, isn't it?



Sounds like a Samba to me. Sorry to divert the topic a bit, but that song you guys did reminded me of that blend of smooth blues with latin jazz that Carlos is so famous for. I love his instrumentals (Song of the Wind, Samba Pa Ti, Revelations), but I never heard that one until last year, and the live version is the only one I can find.

Was that you singing?

Pollyanna
06-27-2010, 10:15 AM
Sounds like a Samba to me. Sorry to divert the topic a bit, but that song you guys did reminded me of that blend of smooth blues with latin jazz that Carlos is so famous for. I love his instrumentals (Song of the Wind, Samba Pa Ti, Revelations), but I never heard that one until last year, and the live version is the only one I can find.

Was that you singing?

There wasn't a lot of ethnic music in the mainstream when I was young so I got my kicks from Santana and Osibisa. Standard rock, funk, blues, soul, jazz and RnB beats are good and are played to suit the song but I especially love the colourful rhythms of world-influenced music. While a bunch of people seemed unimpressed with Ginger Baker on his trash-talking thread, I've always loved his approach due to his influences.

Here's my fave Santana track: Batuka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO7tuCauw0) but I have no idea what the rhythm would be called. Any ideas? Love his track Mirage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qpP2Nt3zxs) too but that seems like a fairly straight ghosted rock rhythm ... a kind of boogaloo?

Doctor, it's not me singing in the attachment ... I wish I could sing that well and I can't sing at all while going full-bore on the kit!

That's our male vocalist *grin* ... you must have missed the posting of my band's demo (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62958), where there's some talk about his vocals. With my new found knowledge, I can say there's a bit of rumba and calypso patterns in some of the songs.

Strangelove
06-27-2010, 03:22 PM
There wasn't a lot of ethnic music in the mainstream when I was young so I got my kicks from Santana and Osibisa. Standard rock, funk, blues, soul, jazz and RnB beats are good and are played to suit the song but I especially love the colourful rhythms of world-influenced music. Well, that's the way with most of us. I even was raised in San Antonio, but my main influences in latin music besides the local Tejano and Cumbia stuff was Santana. Still, when our band performed down there, I had a pair of Luddie Timbales off my Floor Toms and a Cowbell, and we did a few numbers like this: Suavecito (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkDX_SZorg8). I have always loved slow latin grooves like that, they are so fun to play. Later I got into Meringue, Salsa, Mambo, Cha-Cha, and Bachata beats (mostly Cuban, I think) and Samba (South American?) and liked the works of Tito Puente and Mongo Santamaria.


While a bunch of people seemed unimpressed with Ginger Baker on his trash-talking thread, I've always loved his approach due to his influences.


I don't know. I have to admit, I lose alot of respect for guys like him and Buddy Rich when I read of some of their blatant slams on other musicians. Maybe because I put them on a pedestal as some of the greatest. But when I hear such petty remarks about their competition, it reminds me of someone with extreme insecurities, and it seriously blemishes their image in my eyes. I always figured GB's big influences were the big band drummers, do you hear latin influences, too?

Here's my fave Santana track: Batuka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO7tuCauw0) but I have no idea what the rhythm would be called. Any ideas? Love his track Mirage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qpP2Nt3zxs) too but that seems like a fairly straight ghosted rock rhythm ... a kind of boogaloo?

Thank you, that was a beatiful tune to start the day with! My favorite of his is this one: Aqua Marine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhOGnEXiNU) I love the way he weaves polyrhythms into layers and then brings you back out again. He is a master at it, a true artist. But I absolutely love the bass line starting at 1:48. My favorite live recording of his was off the Mexico City concert. This is an absolute masterpiece: Samba Pa Ti (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACdwCIld3kE)

Doctor, it's not me singing in the attachment ... I wish I could sing that well and I can't sing at all while going full-bore on the kit!

That's our male vocalist *grin* ... you must have missed the posting of my band's demo (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62958), where there's some talk about his vocals. With my new found knowledge, I can say there's a bit of rumba and calypso patterns in some of the songs.

OK, now I'm embarassed!

Pollyanna
06-27-2010, 04:17 PM
Well, that's the way with most of us. I even was raised in San Antonio, but my main influences in latin music besides the local Tejano and Cumbia stuff was Santana. Still, when our band performed down there, I had a pair of Luddie Timbales off my Floor Toms and a Cowbell, and we did a few numbers like this: Suavecito (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkDX_SZorg8). I have always loved slow latin grooves like that, they are so fun to play. Later I got into Meringue, Salsa, Mambo, Cha-Cha, and Machata beats (mostly Cuban, I think) and Samba (South American?) and liked the works of Tito Puente and Mongo Santamaria.

I've never quite sussed out those Latin beat terms. Do you know of any sites that list these beats with sound files? From what I can gather these beats have often been adapted in rock.


... when I hear such petty remarks about their competition, it reminds me of someone with extreme insecurities, and it seriously blemishes their image in my eyes. I always figured GB's big influences were the big band drummers, do you hear latin influences, too?

Yeah, he talks some nonsense but if I like the music, I can forgive a lot ...

Not Latin so much as African(ish), e.g. NSU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_PsdnbgdjM)


Here's my fave Santana track: Batuka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGO7tuCauw0) but I have no idea what the rhythm would be called. Any ideas? Love his track Mirage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qpP2Nt3zxs) too but that seems like a fairly straight ghosted rock rhythm ... a kind of boogaloo?

Thank you, that was a beatiful tune to start the day with! My favorite of his is this one: Aquamarine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhOGnEXiNU) I love the way he weaves polyrhythms into layers and then brings you back out again. He is a master at it, a true artist. But I absolutely love the bass line starting at 1:48.

The start to Aquamarine is heaven on a stick. I hadn't heard that before. A good prescription, Doc :)


OK, now I'm embarassed!

Haha, don't be. Every time I play our stuff to family they say he sounds like a woman, especially at the start of Summertime. His major influences are the old divas like Billie and Nina. It wouldn't surprise me to see a new thread: Is Pollyanna's vocalist really a guy? :)

Deltadrummer
06-27-2010, 06:26 PM
[QUOTE=Pollyanna;716790]I've never quite sussed out those Latin beat terms. Do you know of any sites that list these beats with sound files? From what I can gather these beats have often been adapted in rock.
[QUOTE]



A good place to start is the Groove Essentials poster. That's is if you read music. You can get it for free.

Here is a video by Zack Albetta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2SI7qXnHOE

Latin beats are notated by place of origin.

Cuba rhumba and guagunco, mambo and Cha cha, mozambique, nanigo, Songo
Dominican Republic Merengue
Puerto Rico, NY Salsa
Brazil samba, bossa nova
Trinidad Calypso
Antigua Soca


There are a lot of faux Latin bests in rock and roll

Here is a more standard Rumba by the Drifters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuftxlw32JA

Here's are faux rumba feel by

The Drifters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THL5jTWl3ek&feature=related

Ray Charles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65FOQpQpSwc

Steely Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgYuLsudaJQ

Tito Puente
Cha Cha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpCALtVUcE

mambo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19r8tYwpw2o

larryace
06-27-2010, 07:19 PM
Thanks for that Ken, as a Latin kindergartener, this helps me a lot (2 words) in getting a handle on the names of rhythms I've heard all my life but didn't know what they were called.
Latin is such a rhythmically rich genre.
The thing is, can you play an authentic mambo on drumset only? It's sounded very top heavy in percussion sounds.

Strangelove
06-27-2010, 09:08 PM
Latin (American) beats have so many variations, it is really hard to keep up with them all, without studying them extensively. Deltadrummer did a nice job showing where the major beats originated. The only thing I can add is this website I found that shows by country the beats and styles that originated there:

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Latin_American_music#2.

Damn, I hadn't heard NSU in about 40 years! Yes, Baker was a legendary drummer. He was very busy, like Moon and Mitchell, but Baker also sounded as good live as he did in the studio - his timing was excellent. I am surprised Clapton did not hold onto him longer than just Cream. Probably a battle of egos.

Deltadrummer
06-27-2010, 09:49 PM
Thanks for that Ken, as a Latin kindergartener, this helps me a lot (2 words) in getting a handle on the names of rhythms I've heard all my life but didn't know what they were called.
Latin is such a rhythmically rich genre.
The thing is, can you play an authentic mambo on drum set only? It's sounded very top heavy in percussion sounds.

In order to get a firm understanding of Latin beats, you need to understand, bembe, clave, cascara and timbao. Certainly taking some conga lesson would be preferred for getting a firm grasp on Latin rhythms and how they play out in a ensemble context. But since most of us are going to apply these rhythms to drum set playing, and most specifically jazz and rock situations, we are going to adapt these ideas.

The bembe is the style of music of the Yoruba people, who came to Cuba as slaves, and is the basis of Afro Cuban rhythms.

There are are two types of clave, rumba and son. Each can be performed 2:3 or 3:2.

Cascara means shell and is the rhythms played on the timbale shell. It can be played 3:2 or 2:3.

The tumbao is the syncopated bass pattern used in Afro-Cuban music.

Once you understand these patterns you can apply them to drum set and a variety of styles to Latinify your playing.

Pollyanna
08-29-2011, 11:21 AM
Also see The Rhythm Thread: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80307