240 bpm

[MapexQR]

I have a question is there a chart or table thats breaks down 240bpm to 16th notes,8 notes, and 32notes. Reason I ask is my double bass I playing at 240bpm with each foot and I"m trying to figure out what it is at those notes broken down.

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[schist]

Sorry to sound harsh, but I'd think that if you don't understand the note value/tempo played with each foot individually at 240BPM, then you aren't really playing at that speed.

[Boomka]

I have a question is there a chart or table thats breaks down 240bpm to 16th notes,8 notes, and 32notes. Reason I ask is my double bass I playing at 240bpm with each foot and I"m trying to figure out what it is at those notes broken down.

Are you trying to ask how many strokes per minute you're playing?

If so, 240 BPM means 240 Beats Per Minute. That is, there are 240 quarter notes in one minute. Since there are two 8th notes in every quarter note, you simply multiply: 240 x 2 = 480. If both feet are playing 240 beats in a minute (alternating) you are playing 480 notes in a minute.

Can you clarify your question?

[larryace]

It's a math question. He could be playing 16th notes if a quarter note = 60BPM or 1/2 notes if a quarter note = 120BPM. Either way he's nailing 240 BPM. Whether you call it 16th notes or quarter notes (or whatever note) is just semantics. They're all equivalent.

[branflakes992]

Usually double bass is in 16th notes when you are talking about how fast you are. DUDE I got 220 BPM double bass, usually it's 16th notes. If you played 240 with 32nd notes you'd really be playing at 480 BPM which hasn't even been touched yet, so I doubt it's 32nd notes haha

[MapexQR]

Just like Boomka said I"am hitting the bass drum with each foot at 240 bpm. So that would be 16 notes right?

[jonescrusher]

Just like Boomka said I"am hitting the bass drum with each foot at 240 bpm. So that would be 16 notes right?


The only information you've given is that each foot plays 240 strokes in a minute, that alone can't tell us anything about the note value. It depends where the 'pulse' is. If you're playing to a click, how many stokes are you playing to each click?

[MapexQR]

Basically I'm using the metronome turned to 240bpm and it is set to 4 beat.

[jonescrusher]

So one foot is playing on each click, and the other foot plays a stroke between each click? 4 beat is quarter note maybe? If so you're playing eighth notes, 480 of them in a minute.

[larryace]

at 240 BPM,
If the quarter note = 30 BPM, he's playing 32nd notes
If the quarter note = 60 BPM, he's playing 16th notes
If the quarter note = 120BPM, he's playing eighth notes
If the quarter note = 240BPM, he's playing quarter notes
If the quarter note = 480BPM, he's playing half notes
If the quarter note = 960BPM, he's playing whole notes

He's hitting 240 BPM no matter how you slice it
He's not doing 240 BPM with each foot, (that would be 480 BPM, a record probably) he's doing 120 BPM with each foot
Together they make 240 BPM
It all depends on what the quarter note is set at on the metronome. It's fast enough.

[Deathmetalconga]

at 240 BPM,
If the quarter note = 30 BPM, he's playing 32nd notes
If the quarter note = 60 BPM, he's playing 16th notes
If the quarter note = 120BPM, he's playing eighth notes
If the quarter note = 240BPM, he's playing quarter notes
If the quarter note = 480BPM, he's playing half notes
If the quarter note = 960BPM, he's playing whole notes

He's hitting 240 BPM no matter how you slice it
He's not doing 240 BPM with each foot, (that would be 480 BPM, a record probably) he's doing 120 BPM with each foot
Together they make 240 BPM
It all depends on what the quarter note is set at on the metronome. It's fast enough.

Typically, I would think, you would be playing eighth notes at 120 bpm, which would be 240 sixteenth notes a minute. I think that is the way most people who choose to count it. Any other way and you'd wind up using obscure notes like 32nds, or be playing in freakishly fast times. Most metronomes don't even go past 250.

[donv]

at 240 BPM,
If the quarter note = 30 BPM, he's playing 32nd notes
If the quarter note = 60 BPM, he's playing 16th notes
If the quarter note = 120BPM, he's playing eighth notes
If the quarter note = 240BPM, he's playing quarter notes
If the quarter note = 480BPM, he's playing half notes
If the quarter note = 960BPM, he's playing whole notes

He's hitting 240 BPM no matter how you slice it
He's not doing 240 BPM with each foot, (that would be 480 BPM, a record probably) he's doing 120 BPM with each foot
Together they make 240 BPM
It all depends on what the quarter note is set at on the metronome. It's fast enough.

Took a lot to get here didn't it? 240 is 240. It's like marching at traditional or standard 110 or 120 bpm. Doesn't matter if you're playing 6/8. 4/4 or 2/4, you still march at 110 or 120. It would be something in a parade if signature determined what 110 or 120 meant. lol Every band marching at their own speed and taking out floats and other bands or being taken out.

[jonescrusher]

He's hitting 240 BPM no matter how you slice it
He's not doing 240 BPM with each foot, (that would be 480 BPM, a record probably) he's doing 120 BPM with each foot
Together they make 240 BPM


How did you get to that? Why would doing 480 bpm with each foot be so hard? Playing 480 8th notes in a minute isn't super fast. I thought the record was in 4 figures. I don't think he's implying that he's playing 16th notes at 240 bpm quarter note.

[ace76543]

If you're playing 32 notes every bar it's 32nd notes
If you're playing 16 notes every bar it's 16th notes
If you're playing 8 notes every bar it's 8th notes
If you're playing 4 notes every bar it's quarter notes


There. Thread over.

[Naigewron]

Just like Boomka said I"am hitting the bass drum with each foot at 240 bpm. So that would be 16 notes right?

If each foot hits once with each click (one foot on each click, and the other foot between each click), you're playing 8th notes, which equates to 16th notes at 120 BPM.

[larryace]

How did you get to that? Why would doing 480 bpm with each foot be so hard? Playing 480 8th notes in a minute isn't super fast. I thought the record was in 4 figures. I don't think he's implying that he's playing 16th notes at 240 bpm quarter note.

Let's see, at 480 BPM, each foot is doing 240 BPM, thats 4 times a second per foot.
with hands, the record is 1247 single strokes per minute, with feet, I think the fastest I've heard of (like Derek Roddy)....he's doing like 260 or 280 BPM if I'm not mistaken, a far cry from 4 figures. I may be wrong about this but really have you ever heard of double bass at over 1000 per minute? I haven't.

[jonescrusher]

Let's see, at 480 BPM, each foot is doing 240 BPM, thats 4 times a second per foot.
with hands, the record is 1247 single strokes per minute, with feet, I think the fastest I've heard of (like Derek Roddy)....he's doing like 260 or 280 BPM if I'm not mistaken, a far cry from 4 figures. I may be wrong about this but really have you ever heard of double bass at over 1000 per minute? I haven't.

I think there's some confusion as to BPM - if the metronome is set to say 260bpm, and you're playing 4 bass drum strokes to each click then 260 X 4 = 1040 bass drum strokes in 1 minute. 16th notes.
In the OP's case, he seems to be playing 480 strokes in a minute, where the click is set to 240 bpm and he's playing 2 strokes to each click. 8th notes.

[joeybeats]

Read this thread top to bottom and you guys gave me a good laugh with this morning's first cup of coffee. hahaha.

Let me add to the mess from an old timer's viewpoint.

MapexQR, you have three components: Tempo, Beat and Click.

The tempo is usually set in quarter notes. It will say Q = 120 or whatever you set it at. You say yours is set at 240.

The beat will say 4/4 or 3/4 or whatever you set it at. Yours is set at 4/4 from what I can see.

The click is how many clicks you are hearing. Set at q notes, you will hear 240. At 8 notes, you will hear 480. Set at 16's you will hear too many! (960 ) Cover each click with a strike and you have your answer.

Joey

[larryace]

OK I just checked with the WFD website and apparantly, for feet, the record is 1034 hits per minute, with our own Tim Waterson at 1030, a very close 2nd. I stand corrected, I had no idea the feet could move that fast.
Still if MapexQR's metronome is set at quarter note = 240, and every click gets a bass drum hit (with no hits in between clicks) then, since his metronome is set at 240 for a quarter note, he's playing quarter notes, at a fast tempo.

He could set the metronome at quarter note = 120 and if he's hitting that bass drum 240 times every minute, now he's considered playing 8th notes at that metronome setting. He's going the same speed, it's just termed different because of the different metronome setting.

Quarter note = 60, he's playing 16th notes, or 4 hits a second.
No matter what note value you call it, he's still playing 4 hits a second.
Unless I misunderstood and he's playing 8 hits a second, because he claims that he is doing 240 BPM with each foot. I would call that 480 BPM, because the bass drum is being struck 480 times in 60 seconds. At a metronome setting of quarter note = 240 BPM then he would be playing 8th notes if he was making 480 hits a minute.

[jonescrusher]

OK I just checked with the WFD website and apparantly, for feet, the record is 1034 hits per minute, with our own Tim Waterson at 1030, a very close 2nd. I stand corrected, I had no idea the feet could move that fast.
Still if MapexQR's metronome is set at quarter note = 240, and every click gets a bass drum hit (with no hits in between clicks) then, since his metronome is set at 240 for a quarter note, he's playing quarter notes, at a fast tempo.

He could set the metronome at quarter note = 120 and if he's hitting that bass drum 240 times every minute, now he's considered playing 8th notes at that metronome setting. He's going the same speed, it's just termed different because of the different metronome setting.

Quarter note = 60, he's playing 16th notes, or 4 hits a second.
No matter what note value you call it, he's still playing 4 hits a second.
Unless I misunderstood and he's playing 8 hits a second, because he claims that he is doing 240 BPM with each foot. I would call that 480 BPM, because the bass drum is being struck 480 times in 60 seconds. At a metronome setting of quarter note = 240 BPM then he would be playing 8th notes if he was making 480 hits a minute.


Yep, the main thing is he's playing 480 BD strokes in a minute, I think his issue was what the note value was. I'm not sure but I think we established he was playing one note on the click and one between, in which case we're talking 8ths.

I hope Mapex appreciates this furore! Drummerworld and metronome markings never seem to get along....

[larryace]

OK Jonescrusher, I think we got it together, I agree, he's playing 8th notes at quarter note = 240 BPM. He's hitting that thing 480 times a minute. Phew!
I don't even play double kick, but the note value part interests me as I'm trying to teach myself to read and understand all the notes, rests, triplets, repeats, etc.

[donv]

""I have a question is there a chart or table thats breaks down 240bpm to 16th notes,8 notes, and 32notes. Reason I ask is my double bass I playing at 240bpm with each foot and I"m trying to figure out what it is at those notes broken down.

Just like Boomka said I"am hitting the bass drum with each foot at 240 bpm. So that would be 16 notes right?

Basically I'm using the metronome turned to 240bpm and it is set to 4 beat. ""

Mapex,

Here's the deal, if your metronome is set to 240 at 4/4 time--assuming that's what you mean "set to 4 beat," then each click is a quarter note. 4 beats per measure and each quarter note gets one count or "click." If you are hitting your bass drum twice to each click then you are playing 8th notes. 3 times per click and you're playing 8th note triplets. 4 times per click and you're playing 16th notes. 8 times per click and you're playing 32nd notes.

But, without the reference of a melody note value is not all that valid or critical in the context you seem to be getting at. At 240 BPM, exactly the same thing can be written for any time signature so that what you are playing is exactly the same if recorded and then listened to. At 240 BPM there are 4 "clicks" per second. 60 Seconds in a minute. 4 X 60 = 240. It doesn't matter if the value of the click is whole notes, half notes, quarter notes, eighth notes, etc, there will still be 240 beats or clicks per minute. If you want to you can say that in 13/16. Each click is a 16th note, playing twice per click and you're playing 32nd notes, 4 times and you're playing 64th notes. Be bold, and play in 25/64--god forbid-- At this signature, playing twice per beat or click and you're playing 128 notes while still playing at 240 beats per minute and you are not playing any faster or slower.

Multiply how many times you are hitting your bass drums per click, and you know how many times per minute you are hitting your bass drum. 2 times and you're at 480, 3 times you're at 720, 4 times you're at 960, etc. But still and once again, you can make each stroke of the pedals be whatever note value you choose.

Hope this helps.

Check this out:

http://drummerworld.com/Videos/georgekollias200280.html

[Tim Waterson]

See if this clip helps
I set the metrenome on 260 1/4 note pulse i play 1/8 noters with r foot then left then both to = 16 notes at 260

http://www.drummerworld.com/watchlistdrummers/Tim_Waterson.html

scroll to the video on the bottom of page
Tim