Shine Drums: Sizes?

[wberry00]

Hey ya'll I'm new to the forum and I'm lookin for some advise. Shine Drums is wanting to sponsor me and I have some ideas about sizes. a 13x8 mounted tom, 18x16 floor tom, and a 24x20 kick. Do ya'll think these sizes will produce a full, fat, deep sound, while still having punch?

[Ozzy Biz]

toms seem pretty good, although I'd be leaning towards 13 & 16 or 14 & 18... 5" is a lot of spread between toms.

For the kick, I'd seriously like to suggest you consider a shallower kick; preferably 6" less. Anything deeper than 14" is just means you're trying to compensate for a lack of length somewhere else. If you want more low-end than the 24x14 can give you, step up to a 26x14.

If you don't take my advice, take Jojo's:

John Dutra: Jojo, what drum shell sizes are you leaning toward lately?
Jojo Mayer: At this point I'm really tending toward the classical sizes. Because I feel that for the impact of the drum shell, and the response, it is better than deep shells. In deep shells you have certain amount of low end, which is not as versatile as the classic shell sizes. With EQ' ing, I see that the classic depth shell can sound heavy but delicate at the same time. With the deeper shells, or the longer shells, its hard to get a delicate, sensitive sound with it.

As far as tuning range, the classical sizes give me a broader range. If i tune them up high, they don't choke. Ya know like with a deeper shell when you tune them up high towards a jazz tuning, the sound doesnt really work as well.

JD: And this goes for the bass drum as well?
JM: Even with the bass drum... right now I'm considering when ordering my next kit, that I'm probably gonna go back to a 14" depth like they used to have. As opposed to a 16" depth. Cause I've played in the studio, on a couple of tracks with a 14"... and I usually use a 20" x 16", and with a 22" x 14" its just really in your face with a lot of attack. The response is just much much faster.

[wberry00]

Thats some valid points except for the compensation thing lol. Can you give me some examples to listen to? Like youtube videos

[Davo-London]

Why don"t you just go and try what they have in stock and see what you like?

Or have I missed something?

Davo

[wberry00]

Yes you are. I live in Tennessee and I just can't cut school for a week and drive to California lol. And if i was anywhere close I would go visit.

[BattleArmor]

Not to sound mean....

I would just save your money. These guys hand out "sponserships" to pretty much anyone.

My thoughts....

[TonyAncheta]

I think your size selection is fine, except for the bass drum; you may want to consider an 18" or 16" depth. Some may even suggest fourteen.

But really ... Since Shine has offered you a sponorship, it means that you are in conversation with them. Ask for some references local to you and then arrange to visit one of their sessions. Let your ears 'feel' the sound.

[Davo-London]

Not sure about the statement about sponsorships. Shine make quality drums - that's for sure.

Davo

[RKTopper]

I would go with Truth my man. . .I have heard some horror stories about shine. . .my buddy is an Engineer/producer and he said that shine was one of the toughest drums he has ever recorded. . .but if you like em, who am I to say any different. . Happy Drumming!
God Bless

[MikeM]

You know, the drum depth conversation has been going on for a while (Peart, Cameron, for example). I use the "classical" depths on my rack toms (8x12, 9x13) and I almost think they're too responsive - they don't really get a chance to breathe when playing faster patterns at higher volumes. I like 6.5x14 over 5x14 snares for the same reason. My next rack toms will probably go 9x12 and 10x13 (just an inch will probably do).

On bass drums, though, I very much agree with the 14" depth trend. Mine is a 22x18 and I really don't hear that the extra depth gets me anything but a more muddled presence. My next kick will be a 24x14.

Oh, and I'd not do an 18" floor tom as your only floor. I think a 16" is more versatile: they can reach very low tones, but unlike an 18", won't sound like a dead kick drum on floor tom legs. Why not go with a two floor tom set up? Try a 16" and an 18".

[wberry00]

Hey ya'll thank you for your input. I took everything in consideration, and I've come up with the conclusion that sizes are relative. I've heard an 18" have more size and power than a 22". What it really comes down to is the mics and system your plugged into and the heads and the way you tune. Not to mention your skill level, and the context in which you play. So I took that into account, and the sizes I'm settled on is a 22x20" kick, 14x12 floor tom, and 10x7 mounted tom. The main snare will be a 12" or 13". Thanks ya'll for the advice. I just feel this is what will work for me. God bless

[MikeM]

Wow, you went from a 13/18/22 setup to a 10/14/22 in the span of a weekend?!? Whatever you "feel" will work is all over the map.

But I guess if you think you can get an 18" kick to sound larger than a 22", and that it doesn't matter anyway because of all the signal processing, talent, and whatnot...

Honestly? I'd slow down. Take a deeper breath and go do some drumming.

The 13/18, or 10/14 pairings don't really matter; they're both valid choices, but they're worlds apart. To go from one to the other so quickly (and to ask our advice) would seem to indicate that you don't really know what you want, which leads me to advise you against spending a bunch of money on a high-end kit with those sizes.

On the other hand, if you're not shelling out the cash for any of it: Go for it, and get a 12" and a 16" while you're at it. At least with a 10/12/14/16 you'll be able to sell it.