Wanna see what Buddy Rich would have done with Matched Grip??

[OriginalSim]

I don't know who this dude is, but he is blazing fast and has some of those Rich moves!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZrAnhTsURw

[joshisaces]

Wow. I'm guessing this is you....... LAWLZ

[aydee]

If its you or whoever... no disrespect meant. You/him can play, thats for sure.

.....but.....

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

[fig]

If its you or whoever... no disrespect meant. You/him can play, thats for sure.

.....but.....

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

LOL, that is me (*thanks OriginalSim). I was actually... ummm..... sort of... intoxicated when playing that (U know Memorial day and all). Another forum requested moAr cow bell and I did that vid.

I learned a few years ago that you can play a cymbal and the cowbell at the same time with one stick. And when it comes to ghost notes on the snare, if you hit the high hat with the tip the the stick and then hit the snare with the back end of the stick at the same time, you can get some really killer ghost notes. *You do have to hold the stick a bit loosely to get the right sound though. And when you add ghost notes with the left hand at the same time OMG, Purdie would kiss you LOL. I posted here once about 2 years ago with just audio and got no responses.

[OriginalSim]

Wow. I'm guessing this is you....... LAWLZ

Heh. Bad guess. My stuff is linked in another post. Clue 1: Don't ever apply for a detective job!

Clue 2: Me: Pretty Baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5TBonoDBlU

[OriginalSim]

If its you or whoever... no disrespect meant. You/him can play, thats for sure.

.....but.....

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

Well, then, you find better snare work like that near the end of the vid. BR rimshots and rolls fer sure. And bother to check out his other vids - as fast as this dude is and how easy he makes it flow. And it's clean, too, which is pretty rare for a lot of stuff I've seen out there.

Better example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br2jrouChWU

[aydee]

Well, then, you find better snare work like that near the end of the vid. BR rimshots and rolls fer sure. And bother to check out his other vids - as fast as this dude is and how easy he makes it flow. And it's clean, too, which is pretty rare for a lot of stuff I've seen out there.

Better example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br2jrouChWU

You friend is good. Yeah, better than a lot of stuff on this forum.. but then there is Buddy Rich.. I find your mentioning the two in the same breath, well....kind of insane.( No dis respect meant. )

[OriginalSim]

You friend is good. Yeah, better than a lot of stuff on this forum.. but then there is Buddy Rich.. I find your mentioning the two in the same breath, well....kind of insane.( No dis respect meant. )

I don't find it disrespectful. You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how silly it is (teasing).

Seriously, though. You can put Buddy and Gene and all them on a pedestal if you want. Truth is, sports records are broken all the time. Better actors and singers appear. No one will replace BR or GK. However, if someone puts in the time and effort to polish their talent, and can approach the style and technique of some past great, I'm all for recognising it. I don't know how old this guy is, but he ain't in his 60's and he ain't dead yet. That means he's got plenty of time to be even better and could, I think, go far with his talent. Not "The Next Buddy Rich" but someone who could certainly have a career similar to Buddy's. If this dude were in a Buddy Rich like band in the next 5 years or so, I would definitely pay to go see it.

And by feeling it's "insane" you're actually limiting your own talent because you refuse to "go there".

You may try and never get close, but you certainly won't get close if you never try.

[The Colonel]

I will not only back up Aydee's "YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING" but also say that while I'm not even really into Buddy Rich [anymore] I can easily say that this guy's technique is nowhere close to Buddy's. And for you to think so, I've got to ask: How long have you been playing?

It seems obvious you look up to this guy's drumming, and that's cool, but your comparisons, and subsequent follow-up analysis are pretty absurd. And I've said many times, I wouldn't put Buddy in my top 50 for drummers - so don't give me that "aspire-to/try/blah blah blah" stuff.

If I were fig, I would be embarassed and say "please stop touting me up like that" unless he believes your accolades...

Honestly I don't find anything here really inspiring or "OMG"-worthy - but I find the setup and dialogue immensely interesting. Hasn't been an interesting beginning to a thread like this in some time. Fig had a chance to come in and say "stop it" but instead went with the "I was a little buzzed" line and then something about his ghost notes would make Purdie kiss him...Okay.

His snare work is decent but not anywhere approaching any kind of absurd level of ability (which makes me ask again "How long have you been playing?") - the most impressive part of his playing would be the mobility around the kit, but it was slightly sloppy, so there's that. (including the follow-up vid)

My initial thoughts would be:

- solid player
- some interesting ideas/execution (but nothing new - seen it/played it before but not with cowbell)
- cowbell part was pretty funky - kudos!
- left foot needs to get involved
- drum layout doesn't look comfortable *AT ALL* - I would find a better/more-efficient drum setup so I didn't have to reach so awkwardly to hit my mounted tom while playing my hi-hat with the right hand. The ergonomics needs some workj
- this would help the sloppiness around the kit
- fast limb-speed (different than hand-speed...some people just can't get their arms to move quickly)
- without this thread, I wouldn't think fig was in love with himself, but I do think so, so maybe a little humility/sense-of-humor would be a plus. Maybe not a lot of drummers in his area, so he's top dog...I dunno.
-the comments that started and followed in this thread are hillarious/awesome.




I am excited for the thread! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

[aydee]

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Silly as I may be, I'm not the one putting them on a pedestal, they put themselves there.

By being innovators and by their supreme mastery of an instrument that wowed and influenced not just me or all drummers, but the world at large. Sure they are dead and gone now,but they left a lasting legacy, didn't they? You and me are still talking about them.

Now along comes our good man Fig, who's got some quick hands, and after knocking back a few beers on Memorial day weekend lays out some impressive chops, and I could go " wow, he's got some nice chops" or " nice snare work" or a lot of other things.

But to say that that was even remotely like 'Buddy with a matched grip' IS not just insane, its nuts (unless you were being facetious,or making a very general comment... which I dont think you were, because you are defending what you said ). Also I don't think I saw any 'Rich moves' in there unless you mean trying to play fast is a 'Rich move'.

And btw, this has nothing to do with my horizons or potential as a player, it is between Buddy & Fig, so spare me the motivational speech.


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[The Colonel]

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Silly as I may be, I'm not the one putting them on a pedestal, they put themselves there.

By being innovators and by their supreme mastery of an instrument that wowed and influenced not just me or all drummers, but the world at large. Sure they are dead and gone now,but they left a lasting legacy, didn't they? You and me are still talking about them.

Now along comes our good man Fig, who's got some quick hands, and after knocking back a few beers on Memorial day weekend lays out some impressive chops, and I could go " wow, he's got some nice chops" or " nice snare work" or a lot of other things.

But to say that that was even remotely like 'Buddy with a matched grip' IS not just insane, its nuts (unless you were being facetious,or making a very general comment... which I dont think you were, because you are defending what you said ). Also I don't think I saw any 'Rich moves' in there unless you mean trying to play fast is a 'Rich move'.

And btw, this has nothing to do with my horizons or potential as a player, it is between Buddy & Fig, so spare me the motivational speech.


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here here! (this thread has just catapulted to "Colonel's Favorite" status)

[Deltadrummer]

Well, you got to spend some time with him, and that will certainly get you that much closer. I spent years just trying to get my buzz roll like Stanton's. Now I'm just happy I can play a second line.

People will hear recording Buddy or Gene Krupa and think that they've heard Buddy or Gene. But they're dead. You can't hear them, you can't hear the connection to the music because that doesn't end up on the recording.

This guy used to come in the store where I worked and share his love of Gene with me. He studied with him for many years and saw him play many times. I would get the spirit of Gene for a few days and it would really enliven my playing. And when I would go into a Gene inspired solo, the guys I was playing with would turn their heads. But it didn't stay. I became dis-possessed.

[The Colonel]

you guys are cute. Tell us what you really think. This thread needs to go on forever and ever. I get what you're saying [in a back-handed manner] but spell it out for us.

I am currently at a bar with a band that holds court every Tuesday. I walk 1 minute to get to this bar. The drummer, Michael, studies with Peter Erskine. I don't like Erskine *at all* and actually find him boring although technically sound (his early recordings on ECM showed great promise...too bad) but Michael is very good and without getting into a pissing contest, would drum circles, IMNSHO, around Fig. I've never heard Michael say anything flattering about himself. He's also diffused a lot of complimentary accolades thrown his way. He happens to be "killing it" right now. And down the street there are two drummers playing two different rooms at the same place and I'd say they are more interesting (I don't like their bands as much so I don't go so often to their shows)

Bddy Rch (my new spelling) is Bddy Rch. Good for him. Lvin Jns was Lvin Jns. Why try to be them? Why try to emulate them (once you're past the emulation point...)? Why try to emulate Stanton Moore? Come up with something better than a standard 2nd line... Throw some new sound sources into an older sound.... I am officially *DONE* with putting together a project that sounds like something from before. Boring. Done. Tired. Bleh. If you can't try something new with it, are you drumming for History?

But to get back to the topic at hand (the band is taking a break - two more sets!!!) this thread steams of congratulatory hogwash. Orig Sim, you've commented on every YouTube vid and it wreaks of ubër-fandom. Are you his girlfriend?

[OriginalSim]

Well, look what happens when you try to compliment someone. Sounds like a few of you need a little more self confidence. I just thought I'd share something I found on YouTube that I liked. I thought it would be cool to encourage someone because they have a gift and should get kudos for it.

Did you list what is "wrong" with the guy just to show off your vast analytic abilities? But then your handle says it all. Guess you're the shidz and know every little thing. Sorry to have tilted your world so much that you had to go into automatic defense mode.

So you don't support other people. Big deal. Few do. Dare to be different, why don't cha? You're probably good. At being a critic anyway. So there's your compliment you're striving so hard to get. I'm glad you told us that you're so excited about this thread. Kind of revealing there, I'd say. Any other horrible secrets you want to out with? Be my guest.

And so what can we attribute to dissing me for saying positive, encouraging things about another drummer? Maybe "they" put themselves on the pedestal, but you bought it, hook, line and sinker. To the point where now you aimlessly 'defend their honor' or something of that ilk? If you can't see what you refuse to look for, it ain't my fault.

All in all, Mr. Rich said it best, himself. Drumming is easy. Anybody can do it. He also said that what most modern drummers do is boring. No innovation.

Except, apparently, for bashing other people. Very innovative, people. I'm so proud of you all.

[OriginalSim]

you guys are cute. Tell us what you really think. This thread needs to go on forever and ever. I get what you're saying [in a back-handed manner] but spell it out for us.

I am currently at a bar with a band that holds court every Tuesday. I walk 1 minute to get to this bar. The drummer, Michael, studies with Peter Erskine. I don't like Erskine *at all* and actually find him boring although technically sound (his early recordings on ECM showed great promise...too bad) but Michael is very good and without getting into a pissing contest, would drum circles, IMNSHO, around Fig. I've never heard Michael say anything flattering about himself. He's also diffused a lot of complimentary accolades thrown his way. He happens to be "killing it" right now. And down the street there are two drummers playing two different rooms at the same place and I'd say they are more interesting (I don't like their bands as much so I don't go so often to their shows)

Bddy Rch (my new spelling) is Bddy Rch. Good for him. Lvin Jns was Lvin Jns. Why try to be them? Why try to emulate them (once you're past the emulation point...)? Why try to emulate Stanton Moore? Come up with something better than a standard 2nd line... Throw some new sound sources into an older sound.... I am officially *DONE* with putting together a project that sounds like something from before. Boring. Done. Tired. Bleh. If you can't try something new with it, are you drumming for History?

But to get back to the topic at hand (the band is taking a break - two more sets!!!) this thread steams of congratulatory hogwash. Orig Sim, you're the commented on every YouTube bid and it wreaks of ubër-fandom. Are you his girlfriend?

The good news is that all the people you mentioned SUCKED at some point, until some friendly person said "Hey! Good job".

So, now, do you feel obligated to tear them back down, too? Of course not. Fig is the competition and it sounds like you're afraid he'll actually make it above your golden boyfriends.

Now, then. I totally agree with you re:Boring. Done. Tired. However, *surprise* the reason it don't happen more is because people like you give them a big hunkerin' gob o' shid to contend with. Try encouraging more. You'll probably see more people receptive to your ideas.

Yep, I commented on what I thought was definitely good stuff and better than most.

Point me to YOUR vid. Maybe I'll like it, too.

[OriginalSim]

A couple of weeks ago some guys said my second line sounded just like Stanton Moore's.

For five minutes I considered the above statement possible. After all some cool friends who played decent had said so and I worked really hard.

Just spent a very positive evening with Stanton Moore.

Would like to have those five minutes back.

Dude, if that's the way you treat your "cool friends", I'd hate to have you come on here talking about your enemies. WTF? You might as well quit playing now, if you don't want to improve. You worked really hard and some ppl said it was cool so BELIEVE them. And continue heading in that direction. You're your own worst critic, apparently, and welcome to the club. Many are. Get over it and move onwards and upwards. Even if the reality is that it sounded 1% like Stanton Moore that's 1% more than a lot of people are capable of reaching. Push it up to 2%, then 5%, then 10%. Don't just fall back saying that you can't do it and you want your 5 minutes back. Apparently you CAN do it. At least to your friends' ears.

[Bernhard]

When i see a thread with the title "What Buddy Rich would have done with matched grip" of course it attracts my attention.

I click the video and think: must be the wrong movie....

and to Original Sim:

I think you didn't understand, what Matt Smith wanted to say, a very cool statement in my opinion!!!

Bernhard

[aydee]

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OS, kudos to you for pointing out something you like & for encouraging fig. Thats a really nice thing to do but lets clear up a few things.

Nobody here is either dissing you or for that matter kneeling at the altar of Buddy Rich All Saints.

What I, and I suspect The Colonel too, are amazed/astounded at is your choice of analogy.
Its like watching an incredible high school ball player and instead of saying well " 'aint he something", one says " well, he's a younger/shorter/left handed Michael Jordan". The picture doesn't fit thats all.

If greatness was just a couple of youtube vids away, I suspect the drummerworld drummer list would be much much longer.

Oh, and a word of advice. If you think by asking The Colonel to point to his vid you'll making him squirm, that might be a mistake and backfire on the point you are trying to make.
And if you want to check out some 'real' Buddy type chops or sheer speed for that matter, do look up vids of the other poster YOU are dissing on this thread ( Matt Smith )


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[OriginalSim]

When i see a thread with the title "What Buddy Rich would have done with matched grip" of course it attracts my attention.

I click the video and think: must be the wrong movie....

and Original Sim:

I think you didn't get what Matt Smith wanted to say


Bernhard

So maybe I should look for the official Drummerworld "Don't ever compare anyone to this list of fantastic drummers or we'll yell at you" list? ;o) Sorry, in my opinion, there is a lot about Fig's style that screams "Buddy Rich". If no one else sees it, great. Just don't try to convince me my OPINION is wrong. It's getting a bit old.

And as for Matt Smith, it's pretty clear that he wished he'd never considered, even for 5 minutes, the truth of people comparing his talent to a great drummer. So he doesn't feel worthy and therefore will give up. That is ALWAYS a bad thing.

So, what, we all lay our sticks down and say to heck with it?

Hey, since you're in Basel: I was once compared to Alfons Grieder. Is that ok? I mean, he was one of the Rolling Sticks and one of the best. I used to play the Radac Reveille and studied Berger style drumming. Lost the sheet music, though, darn it.

[OriginalSim]

OS, kudos to you for pointing out something you like & for encouraging fig. that a really nice thing to do but lets clear up a few things.

Nobody here is either dissing you or for that matter kneeling at the altar of Buddy Rich All Saints.

What I, and I suspect The Colonel too, are amazed/astounded at is your choice of analogy.
Its like watching an incredible high school ball player and instead of saying well " 'aint he something", one says " well, he's a younger/shorter/left handed Michael Jordan". The picture doesn't fit thats all.

If greatness was just a couple of youtube vids away, I suspect the drummerworld drummer list would be much much longer.

Oh, and a word of advice. If you think by asking The Colonel to point to his vid, you might be making him squirm , that might be a mistake and backfire on the point you are trying to make. And if you want really to check out some real Buddy type chops or sheer speed for that matter, do look up vids of the other poster YOU are dissing on this thread ( Matt Smith )


You know, you might actually READ isntead of making things up. I didn't DISS Matt. I said he shouldn't give back 5 minutes of contemplating his friends' notion that he had something close to Stanton Moore. He sounds like he regrets thinking he might have something good. How is that a diss?

[aydee]

Dude, if that's the way you treat your "cool friends", I'd hate to have you come on here talking about your enemies. WTF? You might as well quit playing now.

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Thats a diss where I come from, but thats not the point.
I don't know what you are going on about anymore except to say that you see lots of Buddy in Fig.

Well, that's great but some of us don't and thats that.

Have a nice day.

[OriginalSim]

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Thats a diss where I come from, but thats not the point.
I don't know what you are going on about anymore except to say that you see lots of Buddy in Fig.

Well, that's great but some of us don't and thats that.

Have a nice day.

Yeah, thanks for editing my quote to suit your needs. Whatever THOSE are. And I have no objection to differences of opinion. However, YOU calling ME "insane" and "nuts" because I have a differing opinion IS a diss and that is the point.

Have a good one.

[aydee]

. However, YOU calling ME "insane" and "nuts" because I have a differing opinion IS a diss .

You friend is good. Yeah, better than a lot of stuff on this forum.. but then there is Buddy Rich.. I find your mentioning the two in the same breath, well....kind of insane.( No dis respect meant. )

Over & Out. Peace.


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[OriginalSim]

Over & Out. Peace.
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Well, where "I come from" and "you come from" are obviously slightly different places....

You have disrespect and diss tied together. I don't. To me, a diss is a put down, a slam, a "you suck" or "you're crazy". To me, disrespect is an uncaring regard for someone else's existence, like if someone tells someone else they are a worthless piece of crap and should be dead. I don't feel you were disrespectful. I do feel you were putting me down because of my opinion. But hey, like that's new to me....

And I wasn't trying to diss or be disrespectful to Matt. He didn't get where he is today by giving up. And it sounded to me like he was. Maybe I did misread it. Sorry, if I did. So there.

[DanielSk]

Witch Number of moderndrummer magazine can i find him in? or maby he will attend on the moderndrummer festival?


Regards

Daniel

[OriginalSim]

Witch Number of moderndrummer magazine can i find him in? or maby he will attend on the moderndrummer festival?


Regards

Daniel

I think all of us in this thread deserve a special issue and free tickets to the festival.

[Deltadrummer]

If nothing else it proves that there is no such thing as negative publicity. Before he was compared to Buddy Rich he got no listens. Now people are talking about the guy.

[fig]

All I do is play my drums and have fun with it. I don't think much else really matters. I am working night shift right now and cannot play :( Life of a cop, I guess. Oh well.

[CLK]

All I do is play my drums and have fun with it. I don't think much else really matters. I am working night shift right now and cannot play :( Life of a cop, I guess. Oh well.

I personally don't think much else matters either than to play our drums and have fun with it fig. Sorry to hear about your work schedule. I've been in the same position. It's tough not being able to play. BR aside, ( no disrespect to BR ) I think your playing is quite good...You are lightning fast around the toms man....nice snare work too.
Thank you for your service as a police officer fig.......Take care
-CK

[caddywumpus]

I've got to say that when I read the thread title, I was a little bit disappointed in the video. I thought it was going to be of some up-and-comer with blazing chops and musicality playing at a convention or playing with a big band. When I read that originalsim was doing it as a nice gesture towards fig, I thought it was sweet, but still a misleading thread for anyone else looking at it.

Also, I grew up in the poor part of town. I happen to know that the word "diss" is a shortened, slang term for "disrespect".

[Deltadrummer]

All I do is play my drums and have fun with it. I don't think much else really matters. I am working night shift right now and cannot play :( Life of a cop, I guess. Oh well.

Fun is the only thing that matters, esp when you works night. I've been there.

See where humility gets you?

I know that feeling. Honesty is much more direct. :)

[joshisaces]

Yeah, thanks for editing my quote to suit your needs. Whatever THOSE are. And I have no objection to differences of opinion. However, YOU calling ME "insane" and "nuts" because I have a differing opinion IS a diss and that is the point.

Have a good one.

Those are your exact words. No editing whatsoever.

A couple of weeks ago some guys said my second line sounded just like Stanton Moore's.

For five minutes I considered the above statement possible. After all some cool friends who played decent had said so and I worked really hard.

Just spent a very positive evening with Stanton Moore.

Would like to have those five minutes back.

Wow. That's a cool story :)



Like Matt said, humility plays a freaking HUGE key role in being successful. He spent 5 minutes thinking if he could even compare to him at this point in his life. He spent time with him, saw how amazing his playing was, and was humbled, but he's not going to quit. Heck, he probably got even more motivated to go out and play and do the best he can to get on Stanton's level. With those five minutes he spent thinking, he could have been practicing.

Comparing yourself to Buddy Rich takes a lot of self-confidence, and too much self confidence leads to cocky-ness, and with cocky-ness, people will think you're nuts for saying such a thing...


I couldn't see one ounce of Buddy's style in the video, which made you look like a fool.
..... no offense.


EDIT: That's just what I got from Matt's story. It may have a way different meaning.

[OriginalSim]

Those are your exact words. No editing whatsoever.

No, my EXACT words were

Dude, if that's the way you treat your "cool friends", I'd hate to have you come on here talking about your enemies. WTF? You might as well quit playing now, if you don't want to improve. You worked really hard and some ppl said it was cool so BELIEVE them. And continue heading in that direction. You're your own worst critic, apparently, and welcome to the club. Many are. Get over it and move onwards and upwards. Even if the reality is that it sounded 1% like Stanton Moore that's 1% more than a lot of people are capable of reaching. Push it up to 2%, then 5%, then 10%. Don't just fall back saying that you can't do it and you want your 5 minutes back. Apparently you CAN do it. At least to your friends' ears.


Like Matt said, humility plays a freaking HUGE key role in being successful. He spent 5 minutes thinking if he could even compare to him at this point in his life. He spent time with him, saw how amazing his playing was, and was humbled, but he's not going to quit. Heck, he probably got even more motivated to go out and play and do the best he can to get on Stanton's level. With those five minutes he spent thinking, he could have been practicing.

No, what plays a huge freaking key role in success is not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Matt may choose to be humble, but I don't think his PR people feel that way. So Matt has people who write things about how good he is and no one complains. I write things about how good Fig is and I get crap for it?

As for "Wanna see what Buddy Rich would have done with Matched Grip??"

It's my opinion. If you don't agree, please at least be civil.


Comparing yourself to Buddy Rich takes a lot of self-confidence, and too much self confidence leads to cocky-ness, and with cocky-ness, people will think you're nuts for saying such a thing...


I couldn't see one ounce of Buddy's style in the video, which made you look like a fool.
..... no offense.


EDIT: That's just what I got from Matt's story. It may have a way different meaning.

Thanks for the "constructive" criticism. First off, I'm not comparing myself to BR or anyone else. I'm comparing Fig to Buddy Rich. That's my opinion, which according to the US way of life, anyway, I'm entitled to.

Not enough confidence leads to apathy and apathy makes people like you resort to futile name calling. Poop or get off the pot. Calling someone a fool is generally considered offensive, yet you claim no offense. Which is it? Can't you make up your mind?

[OriginalSim]

Originally Posted by joshisaces

He spent 5 minutes thinking if he could even compare to him at this point in his life. He spent time with him, saw how amazing his playing was, and was humbled, but he's not going to quit. Heck, he probably got even more motivated to go out and play and do the best he can to get on Stanton's level. With those five minutes he spent thinking, he could have been practicing.

That's just what I got from Matt's story. It may have a way different meaning.

Thank you Josh. That was it exactly.


Well thanks, both, for clearing that up. I stand corrected on that issue. If it were time better spent NOT doubting your abilities, then heck yeah, I wish I could give you the 5 minutes back.

However, most people I've met would have meant it the way I originally interpreted it. Meaning they would have been overwhelmed and given up, thrown it all away. I hate seeing that happen to people. You're lucky to have that sensibility to withstand a reality check and use that to move forward.

Wannabe's don't wannabe a wannabe. Sometimes they just need encouragement. Which is what started this whole thread, now, isn't it?

[joshisaces]

No, my EXACT words were





No, what plays a huge freaking key role in success is not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Matt may choose to be humble, but I don't think his PR people feel that way. So Matt has people who write things about how good he is and no one complains. I write things about how good Fig is and I get crap for it?

As for "Wanna see what Buddy Rich would have done with Matched Grip??"

It's my opinion. If you don't agree, please at least be civil.



Thanks for the "constructive" criticism. First off, I'm not comparing myself to BR or anyone else. I'm comparing Fig to Buddy Rich. That's my opinion, which according to the US way of life, anyway, I'm entitled to.

Not enough confidence leads to apathy and apathy makes people like you resort to futile name calling. Poop or get off the pot. Calling someone a fool is generally considered offensive, yet you claim no offense. Which is it? Can't you make up your mind?

Well, according to the US way of life, I'm entitled to an opinion, and I'm just saying that by posting something like that, people are going to be harsh on you. That's just how it is.

As for the offense but no offense thing. Calling someone a fool isn't necessarily offensive, and the only reason I did say no offense, is because it can be considered offensive. It is possible, yes.

Did you think over posting before you actually did? What would the outcome be if I posted this? Would people argue with my opinion? Will their harsh comments effect me? Do I really want to take the time out of my busy day to reply to their harsh comments? Will anything good come out of posting this?

Don't get me wrong. It's good playing, but it's not up to level of Buddy Rich whether you're comparing him to you or not. Buddy's name and your video are tied together. The millions of match grip players across the globe could have posted this exact same thing, but they didn't, and you know why now, don't you?

[OriginalSim]

Also, I grew up in the poor part of town. I happen to know that the word "diss" is a shortened, slang term for "disrespect".

Diss - at least where I'm at - while it is derived slang from "disrepectful", has taken on a different meaning from the original. A "diss" is an insult, a barb, a jab. The only part of disrespect that still lingers is the rudeness part. Lack of respect can lead to dissing, but dissing isn't necessarily disrespectful. Meaining a diss isn't always demeaning or debasing, as disrespect is.

So, if someone insults me and then turns around and says "no insult intended" I kind of have to question their motivation. Do they wish to insult me, or not? Lying about it only confuses the issue.

[TFITTING942]

The word diss from my dictionary is : a reedy Mediterranean grass, the fiber of which is used for twine. So, when you use slang like "Diss", don't think that you know the only meaning of the word and that yours is the only correct meaning. You will only get into a confused debate about who meant what.

[Deltadrummer]

Thanks for the "constructive" criticism. First off, I'm not comparing myself to BR or anyone else. I'm comparing Fig to Buddy Rich. That's my opinion, which according to the US way of life, anyway, I'm entitled to.

Not enough confidence leads to apathy and apathy makes people like you resort to futile name calling. Poop or get off the pot. Calling someone a fool is generally considered offensive, yet you claim no offense. Which is it? Can't you make up your mind?

There 's really nothing wrong with comparing yourself to Buddy Rich or Max Roach, Stanton Moore or Gene Krupa. These guys are the moniker of fine drumming. I think Abe said way back, that is why we are talking about them. I just think it matters how you do it. Trying to go for something that sounds like Max or Stanton, or just to keep up with Buddy is a feat.

I remember years ago playing a Buddy number at a lesson and my teacher said, "you were really keeping up with Buddy." I took that as a compliment, and that's exactly what I was trying to do. I knew it didn't mean I was the next Buddy Rich.

[OriginalSim]

Lol, someone please identify those PR guys for me so I can Twitter them, because they're not doing a very good job.

Man, just so you know, yeah they do complain.

Your deal was that you came here, threw out a big piece of red meat, was surprised by what happened and started firing. I think if you would have said I want you to see and appreciate a good player with skills to keep an eye on, there wouldn't have been a problem.

Fair?


Yeah, I guess if I wanted to constrain my self with "political correctness" I could have used something like you suggested. However, I'm an old guy, who is used to speaking his mind and giving out his opinion in a freer society. And I don't mind responses and opposite opinions. But all I fired was return volleys. At about 1% of the people who've viewed this thread.

[OriginalSim]

Lol, someone please identify those PR guys for me so I can Twitter them, because they're not doing a very good job.


It looks to me like someone spent some good time on your YouTube channel. It's well written, anyway. Maybe not pro PR but it's close.

The only thing I didn't see - or at least what doesn't jump out at anyone (it may be in there somewhere) - is what your plans for the future are. Maybe that'll help, if you emphasize where you want to go. Maybe blog about stuff, I dunno.

Best of luck to you and all the others!

[Steamer]

I don't know who this dude is, but he is blazing fast and has some of those Rich moves!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZrAnhTsURw

Had to see what all the fuss was about....

No disrespect to the average beginner player seen in the clip but let's get SERIOUS folks.

Ever heard of Dennis Chambers? There is some ways we can actually compare some certain elements to the masterful skills and moves of Buddy Rich.

Was this somebodys idea of a PR stunt on the DW forum? Later....

[The Colonel]

The good news is that all the people you mentioned SUCKED at some point, until some friendly person said "Hey! Good job".

So, now, do you feel obligated to tear them back down, too? Of course not. Fig is the competition and it sounds like you're afraid he'll actually make it above your golden boyfriends.

Now, then. I totally agree with you re:Boring. Done. Tired. However, *surprise* the reason it don't happen more is because people like you give them a big hunkerin' gob o' shid to contend with. Try encouraging more. You'll probably see more people receptive to your ideas.

Yep, I commented on what I thought was definitely good stuff and better than most.

Point me to YOUR vid. Maybe I'll like it, too.



I am squeeling with glee on the inside. I was wondering how long it would be before you threw down the "where's *your* vid?" Well, if I ever feel the need to videotape myself for some worthwhile reason, I'll make sure to send you a PM heads-up.

"Fig is the competition and it sounds like you're afraid he'll actually make it above your golden boyfriends."

I have no idea why he is or would-be my competition and had no idea I was afraid of anything about that video and I have no idea who my golden boyfriends are and don't tell my girlfriend. But thanks for that analysis.


...are my "golden boyfriends" something like when Cpt Kirk made out with that green girl?


This thread is going exactly as I'd hoped and thank you, everyone-involved.

[The Colonel]

"I think this culture clash equates to when we Americans spend time in Europe. We're spotted a mile away because we wear tennis shoes on the street, refuse to understand Euro conversion, and hassle the girl at McDonald's for not putting ice in our Cokes."



No matter how hard I try to go incognito, every time I travel to China, they spot me.

[OriginalSim]

...are my "golden boyfriends" something like when Cpt Kirk made out with that green girl?
This thread is going exactly as I'd hoped and thank you, everyone-involved.

Ewwww. Why did you have to bring up the green girl? Have some compassion!

And the "golden boyfriends" was a typo. I'd apologize, but somehow I don't think you're all that worried about it. But I am sorry. I meant for it to be 'golden boy' friends. Ticks for disambiguation.

The 'show me your vid' actually showed up quite early - not so much as a challenge, but stemming mostly from curiosity about the 'Boring. Done. Tired' quip. Truly, if you have something heading away from the 'Boring. Done. Tired' direction, I'd like to see it. Maybe I'd like it, maybe not.

I just dig innovation. Er, I mean, I appreciate seeing the work of people who try to break out of the rut.

[OriginalSim]

"I think this culture clash equates to when we Americans spend time in Europe. We're spotted a mile away because we wear tennis shoes on the street, refuse to understand Euro conversion, and hassle the girl at McDonald's for not putting ice in our Cokes."



No matter how hard I try to go incognito, every time I travel to China, they spot me.

Liquid latex might help with the epicanthic fold thing.

[OriginalSim]

Mainly, if you want don't like disagreements, then an Internet forum is the last place you ever want to be.

I don't mind the disagreement, I just prefer not to have the holier-than-thou responses. There's a huge difference between posting "You suck" and "I disagree because..."

But, hey, if that's the culture, then I guess I'll get used to it.

[Steamer]

But, hey, if that's the culture, then I guess I'll get used to it.

You better and the concept of a reality check .....

[bobdadruma]

I read this whole thread and I'm still laughing! I can't believe that this drummer was compared to Buddy! Weather you are a Buddy fan or not, It just ain't so! By the way, Buddy switched from Trad to matched grip at will! As Buddy once said in a Modern Drummer interview, "It's just something that I do".
Compare him to this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGd53pmiZs
By the way, I've watched Matt, Steamer play, I would compare them to Buddy before I would compare that guy to Buddy! Take that for what it is worth. No offense Matt and Stan! Just making a point! I wish that Jay was here! This would get really good!
PS, I play like that guy when I'm on my third Martini!!

[Steamer]

Thanks for the laugh and the reality check video Bob :}

Here's another "reality check" video from another source on the drumming subject. Not to shabby match grip playing thrown in too.. :}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQLN-OnRs9g&feature=related

[con struct]

What an interesting thread.
I, for one, am a little dissapointed that The Colonel doesn't have any videos out. He shows in his posts that he knows his stuff, and I'm betting that he can play his ass off.
So, Colonel, don't you have a website or a Myspace page? I'd love to hear and watch you play.

[bobdadruma]

Thanks for the laugh and the reality check video Bob :}

Here's another "reality check" video from another source on the drumming subject. Not to shabby match grip playing thrown in too.. :}

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQLN-OnRs9g&feature=relatedYea Man Now we're talkin! I play like Tony after my fifth martini, Right after I pass out and start dreaming. He had the concentration of a lion stalking a gazelle! He always got the gazelle!
By the way, Tony set his kit up all wrong! His tom angles are to steep and his cymbals are to high! LOL!!!

[The Colonel]

What an interesting thread.
I, for one, am a little dissapointed that The Colonel doesn't have any videos out. He shows in his posts that he knows his stuff, and I'm betting that he can play his ass off.
So, Colonel, don't you have a website or a Myspace page? I'd love to hear and watch you play.



Hey Conrad - I'm good for about 50% disappointment: have tracks, no videos. Bad news is that they're about 7 years old now. The good news is I think they have still held up really well and I actually enjoy them when I come back to them. The bad news is they're all weird/avantgarde/freejazz duos with two different sax players (if you're not into that kind of music). The good news is the sax players are both very amazing players. I could do this all day.

Aydee wants to hear my Billy Jean cover but you'll find nothing like that on the page...yet. I don't record myself often, and the rock band I moved out to LA with...I'd rather not put that stuff out there on the web - the singing leaves a lot to be desired...Wish I had vox-less tracks cuz the music was really good.

I'll pull the thead up for you.

[aydee]

What an interesting thread.
I, for one, am a little dissapointed that The Colonel doesn't have any videos out. He shows in his posts that he knows his stuff, and I'm betting that he can play his ass off.


Yes he can.

He plays 'McFree' jazz...( yeah! ) which is why I want to hear him play a stripped down groove like Billy Jean! I'm a masochist.

edit-- ...which also makes me wonder how Buddy might have played it.?.... or Fig for that matter..hmmmmm?

[joshisaces]

Yes he can.

He plays 'McFree' jazz...( yeah! ) which is why I want to hear him play a stripped down groove like Billy Jean! I'm a masochist.

I wanna see too!

[The Colonel]

The thread is up: The Colonel's Muzak.

Might get my buddy's camera and do something with these sweet '63 Premiers I got a few weeks ago. They sound so purrrrrdy.


And just for the record, there's a thread in General Discussion called "Show time" which has the potential to eclipse this one, if things go right. I'm so excited (and I just cannot hide it)!

[aydee]

Yeah, I guess if I wanted to constrain my self with "political correctness" I could have used something like you suggested. However, I'm an old guy, who is used to speaking his mind and giving out his opinion in a freer society. And I don't mind responses and opposite opinions. But all I fired was return volleys. At about 1% of the people who've viewed this thread.

Over, out & back in. That 1 % might be moi..?..also an older guy living in a free society.

I'm not sure about your stand on political correctness though..

You seem to be such a torch bearer for free expression when it comes to yourself, not to speak of being the last word on dictionary definitions of slang, but also seem to break out into hives if someone else 'freely' expresses utter disbelief at your analogy.

I call that a double stroke.

[OriginalSim]

..., but also seem to break out into hives if someone else 'freely' expresses utter disbelief at your analogy.


I don't mind the disagreement, I just prefer not to have the holier-than-thou responses. There's a huge difference between posting "You suck" and "I disagree because..."

But, hey, if that's the culture, then I guess I'll get used to it.

It's not hives. It's infected hair follicles.

[aydee]

It's not hives. It's infected hair follicles.


Now that WAS good! : )


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[The Colonel]

You guys are like BFFs now!

[Bernhard]

I go to the coast now!!!

Never bash Ringo!!!

B.

[OriginalSim]

I go to the coast now!!!

Never bash Ringo!!!

B.

If anyone bashes Ringo, I'll send 'Vinnie' over to play a Zitterstreich on their head!

[bobdadruma]

I go to the coast now!!!

Never bash Ringo!!!

B. Sure! Bring Ringo into the mix! Now you have confused 90% of the members of the Forum! Also, there are people searching every thread to try and figure out what "I'll go to the coast now" means. LOL!!

[Bernhard]

Sure! Bring Ringo into the mix! Now you have confused 90% of the members of the Forum! Also, there are people searching every thread to try and figure out what "I'll go to the coast now" means. LOL!!

Yes, is see. But at the moment i'm on the coast and have no internet and can't reply. so sorry....lol

B.

[bobdadruma]

Yes, is see. But at the moment i'm on the coast and have no internet and can't reply. so sorry....lol

B. You are an "International Man Of Mystery"!

[The Colonel]

I'm going to use that phrase whenever possible, and even sometimes when it will make absolutely no sense:

I go to the coast now!!!

[zafrothunder]

i couldnt really see buddy rich in there...

i saw a guy trying to be like buddy rich, if that counts for anything...

[OriginalSim]

Yes, is see. But at the moment i'm on the coast and have no internet and can't reply. so sorry....lol

B.

Hey! The Swiss Confederation is an alpine, landlocked area. Where did you find a coast???

Auf deutsch

He! Die Schweizer Eidgenossenschaft ist ein alpiner, landumschlossener Bereich. Wo fanden Sie eine Küste???

En français

Hé ! La Confédération helvétique est un secteur alpestre et sans littoral. Où avez-vous trouvé une côte ? ? ?

I love babelfish. I bet it messed up some part of that...

[mrchattr]

I am now officially convinced that there is a full moon at Drummerworld. Between this and the Show Time thread, I'm watching some amazing drummers who always give great advice get told off by people who, as far as I know, have contributed nothing here. It's just strange to see.

[jon e rotten]

I would post a video of myself to prove to everyone in here that I play with matched grip
faster and better than Buddy Rich ever could,......but alas I'm a creature of the night....a vampyre...and cannot not be filmed by modern technology....so you'll have to take my word for it.

[zambizzi]

Hilarious thread...is it possible that OriginalSim is one of the many forms of "juststickinaround"?

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Hilarious thread...is it possible that OriginalSim is one of the many forms of "juststickinaround"?

No, the email address is different and checks out. Justickinaround was never intelligent enough to change his.

[SickRick]

Man, this is even worse than the "Playing Gadd Solo" thread. And that was one bad thread.

To compare this playing with Buddys you must be either blind or def. Sorry to be so hard about it, but its just million miles away from Buddy.

And to put down so many great players that also give great advice and back up their arguments in a meaningfull way is just plain rude. I stand 1000% behind what mrchattr just said about a full moon at DWF. If I wasn't sure about the fact that all the "good" guys were laughing about all of this it would have made me sad.

And by no means do I want to put down the playing in that vid. It's ok drumming with a bit shaky timing and some sloppyness involved. Nothing to be ashamed about, especially after 3 Martinis. But also certainly nothing to be proud of.

Also note this: Motivation does not necessarily have to come from getting your ass kissed all the time. It can actually come much more from getting your ass kicked from time to time. Why would you want to go and practise and work on your stuff and improve it, if you think it's perfect already??

[Ethan01]

BR matched grip solo...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-c-8S3vPmo

and why he doesn't like it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48

[bobdadruma]

Hey! The Swiss Confederation is an alpine, landlocked area. Where did you find a coast???

Auf deutsch

He! Die Schweizer Eidgenossenschaft ist ein alpiner, landumschlossener Bereich. Wo fanden Sie eine Küste???

En français

Hé ! La Confédération helvétique est un secteur alpestre et sans littoral. Où avez-vous trouvé une côte ? ? ?

I love babelfish. I bet it messed up some part of that... Bernhard is here with me on the Connecticut Coast. We are cooking Venison Steaks and drinking Russian Vodka Martinis. Stirred! Not shaken! Shaking martinis makes them weak! We are watching reruns of CSI.

[OriginalSim]

Bernhard is here with me on the Connecticut Coast. We are cooking Venison Steaks and drinking Russian Vodka Martinis. Stirred! Not shaken! Shaking martinis makes them weak! We are watching reruns of CSI.

Cool! Even one of the more awesome US coasts! I remember many years ago being somewhere near Deep River, CT and being on this awesome part rocky part sandy promontory. If there had been a lighthouse there it would have been picture perfect. I was at the Muster and don't remember how I got to that beach or how I got back. But it was cool!

Anyway, safe trip back to Bernhard.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Anyway, safe trip back to Bernhard.

'Going to the Coast' is a forum in-joke, I very much doubt Bernhard is ACTUALLY going to the Coast. He is from Switzerland. That isn't in America. It's an awfully long way for him to go if he wants to visit the coast.

[OriginalSim]

'Going to the Coast' is a forum in-joke, I very much doubt Bernhard is ACTUALLY going to the Coast. He is from Switzerland. That isn't in America. It's an awfully long way for him to go if he wants to visit the coast.


Oh. I actually assumed he meant Lake Geneva. I'd go there if I could...

http://www.pbase.com/mardoli/image/93791921

[aydee]

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[bobdadruma]

Thanks aydee, I frequently am plagued with coyotes that howl all night in my back woods out here in the hills of Ct. The next time that I hear them howlin, I'm going to bring my kit outside and let them have my best Buddy impersonation!

[OriginalSim]

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Wow. That would make a great T-Shirt to get the girls with!

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTku8iCFK8dUABhLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZ yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=134a4t9ee/EXP=1243798076/**http%3a//www.courier-journal.com/article/20090528/COLUMNISTS18/90528001/1011/rss05

[bobdadruma]

Oh. I actually assumed he meant Lake Geneva. I'd go there if I could...

http://www.pbase.com/mardoli/image/93791921 Bernhard is an International Man Of Mystery. He has the ability to appear anywhere at any time! I think that he has a Transporter like on Star Trek!

[mrchattr]

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Fan-freaking-tastic.

[The Colonel]

I am crossing my fingers that someone comes in here and gets this corpse of a thread back on exciting-track...

[brittc89]

I am crossing my fingers that someone comes in here and gets this corpse of a thread back on exciting-track...
I really feel like Buddy would have been a more innovative and exciting player had he seen this video. I mean, I feel like the concepts are profound enough to revolutionize the drumset ; )

[OriginalSim]

I am crossing my fingers that someone comes in here and gets this corpse of a thread back on exciting-track...

Uh... er.... {insert annoying response here}

[aydee]

I am crossing my fingers that someone comes in here and gets this corpse of a thread back on exciting-track...

The Colonel dreads a dead thread and rips it to shreds and buries it in the flower bed.

Say that fast ten times, E.

[Deltadrummer]

I think this guy's playing is more in line with Buddy's feel, rather than his technique. I mean who could say they had Buddy's technique, and the feel is more important anyway. What do you guys think, is Buddy more of a feel or a technical drummer?

[CLK]

I think this guy's playing is more in line with Buddy's feel, rather than his technique. I mean who could say they had Buddy's technique, and the feel is more important anyway. What do you guys think, is Buddy more of a feel or a technical drummer?

I think Buddy was a whole lotta both :)
-CK

[Steamer]

I think Buddy was a whole lotta both :)
-CK

In one MAJOR and NOTICABLE way on both counts over the stuff on the posted clip...

Sorry let this thread die.......the horse is dead already folks.....

[Deltadrummer]

Stan, I didn't know you were such a softie.

[GetAgrippa]

Buddy Rich was amazing, and there are lots of other amazing drummers too. But I personally think the measure of a truly great drummer is the impact they have on others. Look how many renown drummers have listed Buddy Rich as one of their powerful influences, and that spans generations. Now that is a claim to fame and what is truly amazing. No disrespect but the gentleman in the video tain't even close.