Truth

[deltadrummer1]

How do we define 'truth'? Is truth relative or absolute or can it be both? Can two contradictory things be true at the same time?

[Ian Williams]

Speak your mind without lies, nor offense, nor fear. Nevertheless, what do you think?

[frank0072]

one definition of truth is "transparancy", so absolutely nothing to hide and totally transparant...

[VedranS]

Really?? On a drumming forum? Sure, why not.

I guess one question would be, is there any objective truth? What type of truth would be objective? Moral truth? I might say no on the moral truth front, though one may be able to make a case to me regarding "other" truth, like the truth of the statement Newton's first law being objective. On the other hand, if we get all our information through our senses, how can we be certain that even if there is "truth" we have the ability to perceive it? Could it be that there is both objective truth, but also many different subjective truths that that may not be related? Or maybe neither? So yeah, lots of questions and people have been asking them for a long long time. Personally, I'm not quite willing to shut the door on any of those possiblities...

[genericdrummingusername]

Truth is a brand of custom drums that use Kellor shells.


What?

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

One truth and that is self-evidence of yourself. As the famous phrase goes 'cogito ergo sum.'

[eddiehimself]

Truth is a brand of custom drums that use Kellor shells.


What?

It's also a single by Seether.

Personally i think truth is relative. I think that anything that you believe to be true will be true as far as you see. It might not actually be true but then again can we really say that anything is true? After all the only things we can say to be true are what we experience, and sometimes that can be misleading. I think words like "factual" and "objective" can be misleading because these are only really things that are believed by a majority or by an authority.

[Jeremy Bender]

Have a good long audit with the IRS They will be happy to show you the truth. Try proving that they're wrong too !

[Mr. Pasquini]

Truth:
Through my personal concept of plausible deniability combined with my ultimately perfect concept of the 50/50 law of equal chance here's my feeling on things:

Nothing is truth because nothing can be proven, my inability to prove anything comes from the conceptualization of life as a sham. Everything can be lied about and everything is (in general) just a system of signals being interpreted by my brain. Considering the infinite odds against intelligent life none of this can or should be happening. Fortunately the infinite odds can be reduced to 50/50 (things either happen or they don't) 100% of the time thus making life not only possible, but by standards nearly more probable than not. So there you have it, truth exists only as thought because in reality there is no reality because of a 50% chance that nothing has or will ever happen.



Anyway:

Truth is actually a sham, it's an accepted ultimatum passed down by the populace. Just because one discovers something that is in all actuality true it doesn't mean anyone will believe him/her. In fact many findings are regarded as untrue until one amasses the largest number of people, guns, and money to back up his or her philosophy.

[larryace]

I love playing drumset, and that's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...

[FourOnSix]

truth is a concept we use to convey an idea to one another. it is no more real then anything else you can imagine. just because the word truth has an accepted or agreed upon meaning, does not give it existance. not in the physical sense. and the physical sense is the only thing that can be used as an absolute standard of reality because anything else is a figment of your imagination

[aydee]

How do we define 'truth'? Is truth relative or absolute or can it be both? Can two contradictory things be true at the same time?

There is no known absolute truth.

And if someone knows, then he or she isnt of this earth.

All truths are relative. There is your truth & my truth.

From the truth of the colonists v/s the truth of the American Indian,

to the truth of scientific experiments v/s the relativity theory,

its all basis so many assumptions that the one thing we can be sure of is thats there's no sure thing here.

Any event, experience, place, person, or thing can be interpreted a myriad different ways.

The definition of truth for me would be that it or an honest expression of an experience or a belief, which at best can only be an interpretation.



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I love playing drumset, and that's the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth...

You sure you 'aint dreaming this whole up? ; )

Have a good long audit with the IRS They will be happy to show you the truth. Try proving that they're wrong too !

Here's the living nightmare........

[DrummerDavid]

I can't handle the truth.

[Monica McCoy]

Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

[Deltadrummer]

How do we define 'truth'? Is truth relative or absolute or can it be both? Can two contradictory things be true at the same time?

Truth can be both absolute and relative. Two contradictory things can be true at the same time; but two things that are contradictory can never be true at the same time.

[aydee]

two things that are contradictory can never be true at the same time.

Contradictory can be seemingly contradictory.

Einstein did end up concluding that only God could have created the universe because it was the most flawless and perfect form possible, and there was no other explanation for it

[805Drummer]

Einstein did end up concluding that only God could have created the universe because it was the most flawless and perfect form possible, and there was no other explanation for it

Yeah, but there have been millions of gods throughout history. It could have been your god, it could have been anyone's god. These gods and their creation stories cannot coexist, because they all contradict each other.

[Monica McCoy]

Einstein did end up concluding that only God could have created the universe because it was the most flawless and perfect form possible, and there was no other explanation for it

Where did you get that information? From your pastor?

http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Albert_Einstein

Einstein didn't believe in a sky daddy.

[805Drummer]

Where did you get that information? From your pastor?

http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Albert_Einstein

Einstein didn't believe in a sky daddy.

Thanks for the link, I was gonna disagree, but I didn't have any sources to back me up.

[FourOnSix]

I can't handle the truth.

it took until the thirteenth post to reference a few good men, im a little dissapointed

[aydee]

Where did you get that information? From your pastor?

http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Albert_Einstein

Einstein didn't believe in a sky daddy.

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

Einstien- Telegram to a Jewish newspaper, 1929; [pg.147, Calaprice]. (Spinoza believed the more one studies and understands the universe the better one understands God)

"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man...In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."

[Letter to a child who asked if scientist pray, January 24, 1936; pg. 152 Calaprice]


I'm agnostic btw, since you sort of asked by suggesting I had a pastor..

[SGT_Drummer]

agreed, truth is relative and obsolete quite honestly. but in order for there to be truth, there has to be non-truth, or a lie. truth is also dependent upon the situation. for example, a buddy of mine asked his father, a well known pastor in our area, this question: if something is 99 cents, and i tell you it is a dollar, am i lieing? his father's response after a few seconds of thought was this: well, if you told me that in an attempt to decieve me it would be a lie, but if it were as intended as honest as an answer as if i asked if you woke up this morning and you said yes which is invariably true the no, it would not be a lie.

my point is that i think truth is a relative term dependant upon the situation.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

A lie is when I say I can programme in C. I've spent all day battling at it and I am failing badly.

Max/MSP on the other hand, which is graphical C, is easy.

[jer]

Well, there certainly are a lot of un-truths, therefore; there must be truth.

[GRUNTERSDAD]

Well, there certainly are a lot of un-truths, therefore; there must be truth.


Touche...finally the truth comes out.

[jer]

Touche...finally the truth comes out.

I'm not sure if that should be followed with a "ba-dum,cha!" or a "waa, waa, waa"...

Either way, nice touch.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Well, there certainly are a lot of un-truths, therefore; there must be truth.

Truth is not necessarily a polar opposite. If we accept a theory of 'shades of truth' then there doesn't necessarily even have to be a truth.

[SGT_Drummer]

most importantly of all, we're FRIGGIN DRUMMERS!! not philosophers. so i'm going back to my par-rum-pum-pum's and my boom-chicka's before all this intelligent thought makes my head explode or even worse, spontaneously combust!

if anyone would like to learn more about "philosophy", i strongy suggest readin about guys like xenophon and julian augustus (NOT Julius). xenophon has a large collection of writings that will make you sit back and go "Hrmm." i'm currently reading a 4 book series on the life of Julius Ceasar and from what i can tell the man was a military genious, not so much a philosopher.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Personally rather fond of my Sartre. Yes, I am an atheist.

[Ainulindale]

truth and lie, right and wrong, good and evil - meaningless words all, there is only perception...

[wy yung]

# a fact that has been verified; "at last he knew the truth"; "the truth is that he didn't want to do it"
# conformity to reality or actuality; "they debated the truth of the proposition"; "the situation brought home to us the blunt truth of the military threat"; "he was famous for the truth of his portraits"; "he turned to religion in his search for eternal verities"
# accuracy: the quality of being near to the true value; "he was beginning to doubt the accuracy of his compass"; "the lawyer questioned the truth of my account"
# United States abolitionist and feminist who was freed from slavery and became a leading advocate of the abolition of slavery and for the rights of women (1797-1883)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

If you are really curious you could read something like this.
http://www.powells.com/biblio/0198752504?&PID=31879

Sometimes "truth" is a matter of opinion. Whether or not it is a "fact" as opposed to a "truth" I cannot say.

[Ian Williams]

The truth told with bad intent Beats all the lies you can invent. William Blake

[TheGroceryman]

The truth told with bad intent Beats all the lies you can invent. William Blake

Thats an awesome quote!

[Ian Williams]

Thats an awesome quote!

Thanks, mate. Proverbs have a meaningful power in our lives.

[deltadrummer1]

There is no known absolute truth.

And if someone knows, then he or she isnt of this earth.

All truths are relative. There is your truth & my truth.

From the truth of the colonists v/s the truth of the American Indian,

to the truth of scientific experiments v/s the relativity theory,

its all basis so many assumptions that the one thing we can be sure of is thats there's no sure thing here.

Any event, experience, place, person, or thing can be interpreted a myriad different ways.

The definition of truth for me would be that it or an honest expression of an experience or a belief, which at best can only be an interpretation.




So is the statement "All truths are relative" relative? And are you absolutely certain that the statement "there is no absolute truth" is true? Contrary beliefs are possible but are contrary truths possible?

[deltadrummer1]

Sometimes "truth" is a matter of opinion. Whether or not it is a "fact" as opposed to a "truth" I cannot say.

Would truth be truth if it is subjective? If something is true, isn't it true for everyone- everywhere- all the time?

[aydee]

So is the statement "All truths are relative" relative? And are you absolutely certain that the statement "there is no absolute truth" is true? Contrary beliefs are possible but are contrary truths possible?

You my friend, are now delving into the depths of matters that drove Socrates up the wall.

Are truths and beliefs just semantics..interchangeable?..I dont know.

I think so.

I also think all absolute statements have to come with assumptions based on existing beliefs... so therefore yes... everything is relative.

The sharpest I can define Truth for myself is: " what is".
But then the underlying assumption is " according to me".

So are you a physicist?

[deltadrummer1]

Contradictory can be seemingly contradictory.

Einstein did end up concluding that only God could have created the universe because it was the most flawless and perfect form possible, and there was no other explanation for it

So what you are saying is that the evidence Einstein stumbled upon pointed to the truth that God exists?

[dom]

http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=951c88bd2f3cc50de94b

guess you can not embed stuff here...enjoy

[aydee]

So what you are saying is that the evidence Einstein stumbled upon pointed to the truth that God exists?

An assumption he made in the absence of empirical scientific evidence.....I assume.

[deltadrummer1]

You my friend, are now delving into the depths of matters that drove Socrates up the wall.

Are truths and beliefs just semantics..interchangeable?..I dont know.

I think so.

I also think all absolute statements have to come with assumptions based on existing beliefs... so therefore yes... everything is relative.

The sharpest I can define Truth for myself is: " what is".
But then the underlying assumption is " according to me".

So are you a physicist?

No, I just had the idea that the off-topic lounge would be a great environment for a deep discussion. Anyway, does the statement "everything is relative" account for gravity? If a person doesn't believe in gravity, does that person float away?

[aydee]

If a person doesn't believe in gravity, does that person float away?

You gotta meet some Indian levitationists ..

..seriously, he wont float away but if he is moves faster than 57.7 percent of the speed of light, he will gravitationally repel other masses lying within a narrow 'antigravity beam' in front of him. A magnetic field can attract/and repel.

Does that count? ; )


Take death. Thats as finite a truth as there can be.

And then look at all the world's belief systems surrounding it ...resurrection, reincarnation, living sprits, ghosts, energy fields.. etc etc etc..


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[deltadrummer1]

http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=951c88bd2f3cc50de94b

guess you can not embed stuff here...enjoy

This short video shows that some people are sincerely mistaken in their beliefs.

[deltadrummer1]

Take death. Thats as finite a truth as there can be.

And then look at all the world's belief systems surrounding it ...resurrection, reincarnation, living sprits, ghosts, energy fields.. etc etc etc..


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I'm not quite sure at what you're trying to hit at here.. that the truth is based on our beliefs?

[805Drummer]

I'm not quite sure at what you're trying to hit at here.. that the truth is based on our beliefs?

Yeah, there's only one truth. Whether one believes it or not is a different story, but in reality, there's only one truth.

[deltadrummer1]

Yeah, there's only one truth. Whether one believes it or not is a different story, but in reality, there's only one truth.

That's right, so how can all of the worldviews be true at the same time?

[805Drummer]

That's right, so how can all of the worldviews be true at the same time?

They can't. All the world views have different beliefs (about how the world came to be, about gods, etc) but in reality, there's only one truth. We don't know that one truth, but it's there. That's why religion relies on faith...

[aydee]

We don't know that one truth, but it's there. That's why religion relies on faith...

If you dont know it, how can you be so sure that its there?

[805Drummer]

If you dont know it, how can you be so sure that its there?

Well, probability wise, I'm not 100% sure it's there, but there can't logically be NO definite truth. I mean, it seems pretty obvious that there's one definite truth, yet no one knows it. People think they know it (hence religion), but again, it's a belief.

[jon e rotten]

I liked Gruntersdad's old avatars better than his new one = Truth

[jwildman]

I define truth as, simply, something that is not wrong. Different mind views can have different truths. For example, an athiest will say that the truth is that there is no God but a christian will say the truth is that there is. There are some objective truths we can know, such as math. In math there is no sort of there is only wrong and right. Math is a truth that is known worldwide, 2 plus 2 equals 4 everywhere. In the minds throughout the world there are different "truths" but in reality there is only one truth. However this leaves out the subject of ethics. Such as is it a truth that the murderer deserved to get five years in prison? In this realm truth is subjective between people, country, religon. But as I said earlier there is only one truth. I believe that the only real truth are those which are stated in The Bible. Most truths are man-made so these are objective to us but subjective to other species including God. We would need an outside force to assign us a definitive, objective truth and I hold that thing to be the God of the Holy Bible.

[Ian Ballard]

Truth mitigates falsehood because it opens eyes. Falsehood rules because it is comfortable and conforms to the reinforcement of institutions that need to perpetuate falsehood to survive. Who has a monopoly on Truth? Many people still believe mainstream news or "official reports" are Truth, but these agencies routinely have to reinforce their stories, histories and assertions, in order to attain the status and retain power.

Thomas Jefferson, Mahatma Gahdhi and even people still alive today, such as Ron Paul, often cited truths that got them in trouble, people painted them "crazy" and were superseded by politicians and leaders who favored authoritarianism and institutions of "truths" by force.

Truth needs no propaganda, advertising or any defence whatsoever. It is self-evident and always mitigates falsehood, when people stop listening to "truths by force".

[Ian Ballard]

If you dont know it, how can you be so sure that its there?

Because that "Truth", is that of the understanding that there IS ONE.

Do you feel that there exists "Truth"? If so, it must, logically, be a universal concept. Or, at the very least, conceptually consistent with something not one being in the universe would disagree with.

This puts Truth in a vary rare category of perhaps only being comprised of one thing.

Some people call it "God", others "Allah", yet more "The Dharma" or even "The Almighty Tao", but those concepts speak to every human on Earth, even if they claim to be atheists. The most horrendous of mass murderers; Stalin, Hitler, Mao... etc, still have to agree with the basic premises of those pillars of philosophy. Contentment depends on the desire to continue on the next day, and do better than the last. What drives people to do better or even to keep going, is Truth. Some of the aforementioned religions have failed to reach what exactly that is, because it too, has to keep going and maintain it's status, just like governments have to.

Truth, in it's pure reality, would not tolerate religion, or science, or any other conceptual idea of one race of create in this universe. A man trying to define exactly what Truth is, could not be a more impossible task.

All we can do, is conceptualize what Truth does, what it represents and the fact that is must exist. Perhaps it's not necessary to define it in some linguistic permutation, but it is important to understand that from the tiniest of atomic constituents, to the universe as a whole, there is something that binds it together in perfect harmony, so that it can exist at all.

[joshisaces]

This thread is wayyyyyyy too deep for me ;P

I can't go down that far....

[aydee]

Because that "Truth", is that of the understanding that there IS ONE.

Do you feel that there exists "Truth"? If so, it must, logically, be a universal concept. Or, at the very least, conceptually consistent with something not one being in the universe would disagree with.

This puts Truth in a vary rare category of perhaps only being comprised of one thing.

Some people call it "God", others "Allah", yet more "The Dharma" or even "The Almighty Tao", but those concepts speak to every human on Earth, even if they claim to be atheists. The most horrendous of mass murderers; Stalin, Hitler, Mao... etc, still have to agree with the basic premises of those pillars of philosophy. Contentment depends on the desire to continue on the next day, and do better than the last. What drives people to do better or even to keep going, is Truth. Some of the aforementioned religions have failed to reach what exactly that is, because it too, has to keep going and maintain it's status, just like governments have to.

Truth, in it's pure reality, would not tolerate religion, or science, or any other conceptual idea of one race of create in this universe. A man trying to define exactly what Truth is, could not be a more impossible task.

All we can do, is conceptualize what Truth does, what it represents and the fact that is must exist. Perhaps it's not necessary to define it in some linguistic permutation, but it is important to understand that from the tiniest of atomic constituents, to the universe as a whole, there is something that binds it together in perfect harmony, so that it can exist at all.

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So you are admitting truth is just a concept? Albiet a universal one? And all the people of this earth believe there to be a universal truth, albeit differently?

What if everyone is wrong? Concepts even universal ones don't have to be real. They are based on hypothesis.

Sorry not trying to be cheeky here, but...it's quite possible for very large masses of people to collectively live in false or alternate realities. ( remember the Jonestown mass suicides of 1978 ?..).

Did you know that until quite recently the 'San' tribesmen of the Kalahari desert ( Bushmen ), when arrested by the South African authorities for poaching ( they thought they were buying dinner.. ), and put into a prison cell as punishment for the offense, simply died?

That was their truth.

They had not concept of time standing still, or the reality of a day in the near future when they might be free again. Their metabolic systems just shut down, and they died! I think the authorities revised the law for the tribesmen after these incidents.

If truth then equals reality , is it therefore then an interpretation of concepts, principles, beliefs, values, empirical evidence? An interpretations of different realities?

If so then how can there be one truth?

Your opening assumption that truth is by definition is singular ( as in there can be only one truth ) is just that. An assumption.

What if the only truth is that there is no truth?



Much as we, and I include the collective human race ( who, come to think of it, actually haven't been around long enough to be credible representatives of our planet, let alone the cosmos..) wish it otherwise.

So is it an aspiration? Is there a fundamental innate need for the human mind to derive a comforting sense understanding for something to be true?
The first thunderclap ever heard by a prehistoric human ear was probably the most definitive reason many of us today believe in our Lord, who art in heaven.

Hey, dont get me wrong I'm just a big ol'doofuss drummer here, with no great or deep understanding of all these things, but what I really question is Human Arrogance.

That he is indeed the master of the universe and everything operates by his rules and understanding. That all things can or need to be explained within the framework of his existing and ever-changing bank of knowledge and should fit into his neat little boxes of reason and understanding. And anything that doesn't,........ doesnt exist.

My extremely uneducated guess is that we are such a tiny fragment of a humungous massive whole, we can hardly afford to be so cock sure.

When I was a kid, maybe 4, or 5 my uncle took me camping in the mountains. For the first time ever , I saw the night sky of the open wilderness, and the explosion of stars and glittering galaxies almost blinded me with wide eyed wonder.

I remember asking myself the question " who the *%$# am I and what the *&%# am I doing here".
I still ponder the same question 40 years later... and still dont have a &*%# freaking clue...



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[805Drummer]

I define truth as, simply, something that is not wrong. Different mind views can have different truths. For example, an athiest will say that the truth is that there is no God but a christian will say the truth is that there is. There are some objective truths we can know, such as math.

When you say that both Atheists and Theists have different truths, you are wrong. Theists have beliefs, which they believe to be true, and Atheists have no belief, or lack of belief. But that in itself, they believe. They don't believe that there's no God--they simply took a notion of what Theists believe, and said "nope. I don't buy it," based on many things, being: lack of evidence and contradictions of science--math, as you put it.

[lochday]

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." - André Gide

[aydee]

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." - André Gide

'aint that the truth! ; )

[Ian Ballard]

If so then how can there be one truth?

Like you said, it's likely not to be a "thing", so much as a concept. Truth, is something that doesn't need to be defended, it is self-evident like Gandhi said. I can't say that I disagree.

[Thetruth]

Just wanted to say ((((((((((((HELLO)))))))))))))))

The Truth is the truth is the truth

[jwildman]

When you say that both Atheists and Theists have different truths, you are wrong. Theists have beliefs, which they believe to be true, and Atheists have no belief, or lack of belief. But that in itself, they believe. They don't believe that there's no God--they simply took a notion of what Theists believe, and said "nope. I don't buy it," based on many things, being: lack of evidence and contradictions of science--math, as you put it.

Well I believe truth, subjective truth, is the truth that any individual believes to be true. But like I said there is still only one difinitive truth.

[805Drummer]

I define truth as, simply, something that is not wrong. Different mind views can have different truths. For example, an athiest will say that the truth is that there is no God but a christian will say the truth is that there is. There are some objective truths we can know, such as math. In math there is no sort of there is only wrong and right. Math is a truth that is known worldwide, 2 plus 2 equals 4 everywhere. In the minds throughout the world there are different "truths" but in reality there is only one truth. However this leaves out the subject of ethics. Such as is it a truth that the murderer deserved to get five years in prison? In this realm truth is subjective between people, country, religon. But as I said earlier there is only one truth. I believe that the only real truth are those which are stated in The Bible. Most truths are man-made so these are objective to us but subjective to other species including God. We would need an outside force to assign us a definitive, objective truth and I hold that thing to be the God of the Holy Bible.

Well I believe truth, subjective truth, is the truth that any individual believes to be true. But like I said there is still only one difinitive truth.

I agree, there is only one definitive truth. But the "individual truths" are really just beliefs. And, by definition, a belief is what you believe to be true.

[TheGroceryman]

Just wanted to say ((((((((((((HELLO)))))))))))))))

The Truth is the truth is the truth

Why are we debating!? Thetruth is right in front of our eyes!!! in the Drummerworld Forum!!!

We found Thetruth!!

[freebirdgdw]

I liked Gruntersdad's old avatars better than his new one = Truth

Yes but I'm sure that Gruntersdad prefers his new one which = truth (to him). It's all subjective, although this has already been covered here.

This is one of the deeeeeeepest conversations I've ever heard. my head hurts :\

[805Drummer]

I define truth as, simply, something that is not wrong. Different mind views can have different truths. For example, an athiest will say that the truth is that there is no God but a christian will say the truth is that there is. There are some objective truths we can know, such as math. In math there is no sort of there is only wrong and right. Math is a truth that is known worldwide, 2 plus 2 equals 4 everywhere. In the minds throughout the world there are different "truths" but in reality there is only one truth. However this leaves out the subject of ethics. Such as is it a truth that the murderer deserved to get five years in prison? In this realm truth is subjective between people, country, religon. But as I said earlier there is only one truth. I believe that the only real truth are those which are stated in The Bible. Most truths are man-made so these are objective to us but subjective to other species including God. We would need an outside force to assign us a definitive, objective truth and I hold that thing to be the God of the Holy Bible.

Yes but I'm sure that Gruntersdad prefers his new one which = truth (to him). It's all subjective, although this has already been covered here.

This is one of the deeeeeeepest conversations I've ever heard. my head hurts :\

If it's subjective, there is no truth. It's all just opinion.

[zambizzi]

boolean truth;

if (value = true)
{
truth = true;
}
else
{
truth = false;
}

So as you can see, the truth all depends on how you define the value of the variable and its value can be modified under any circumstance in the equation.

[king fail]

So as you can see, the truth all depends on how you define the value of the variable and its value can be modified under any circumstance in the equation.

Zambizzi, you get the first place prize for giving king fail the biggest text-induced headache that can possibly be given, in the smallest number of words possible.