Sabian HHX Evolution

[HeadRush]

I'm thinking about saving up to buy a sabain hhx evolution 18" crash
but I am not completely sure if they are worth the hefty $250 price tag
I am just completely in love with the sound that they have
does anybody know of a cheaper 18" thin crash that can get a deep and full rounded tone?
because I have a low budget.

[caddywumpus]

Personally, I like the sound of the 16" a little better. That, with an 18" K Dark Thin Crash, would be heaven for dark and thin crashes.

[HeadRush]

would that be more cost effective?

[caddywumpus]

would that be more cost effective?

The two 18" crashes are about the same price, give or take a few bucks in either direction, depending on where you look. There's something "glassy" about the HHX Evolution crashes that translates well through the 16" model, and I think the 18" is a little to thin to fully express that same quality. The 18" K Dark Thin Crash, however, is full of rich, dark overtones, like an old A but darker. This characteristic, I think, gets lost in the 16" version, which sounds much too bright. That's my take on it anyways...

More cost effective? Not really. But, if you have about $250 to spend, you should be able to get both of them (16" Evolution and 18" K Dark) for around that if you keep an eye on craigslist. I'm still looking for an 18" K Dark myself...

[onedevilsst]

I'm thinking about saving up to buy a sabain hhx evolution 18" crash
but I am not completely sure if they are worth the hefty $250 price tag
I am just completely in love with the sound that they have
does anybody know of a cheaper 18" thin crash that can get a deep and full rounded tone?
because I have a low budget.

Save and go for it. I've had one for a while now, and it always sounds amazing, will never get rid, Its also quite bendy, not that it means anything to the sound.

Not keen on the ride, tho.

[HeadRush]

well the thing I really like about the hhx 18" as the way it feels
(I played it once at guitar center)
it felt like a very bright sounding crash because it was so thin and light
but it just projected extremely well and had very few overtones to it
and that's exactly what I want
I haven't yet heard or played on the K so I won't close my mind yet

[DamoSyzygy]

[quote]but I am not completely sure if they are worth the hefty $250 price tag
I am just completely in love with the sound that they have
Well, then you ARE completely sure...

[Khaine88]

hmm didnt know the sabian evo 16" fitted with k dark custom 18" so well i may pick myself up 1 this month. thanks for putting that out there caddy even if the info was directed at me :)

[GRUNTERSDAD]

eBay is your friend. Craigslist is your buddy. Tried to find one used.

[zambizzi]

I have a 17" and lemmie tell ya...that cymbal is AWESOME. It's got a tonal range I've never heard in another crash. Hit it softly, it's dark and trashy. Lay into it...bright and cutting. The bell is raw so it sounds great when smacked, as well.

Worth every Federal Reserve Note.

[DamoSyzygy]

hmm didnt know the sabian evo 16" fitted with k dark custom 18" so well
It may not. Try it against what you have, not against what other people have.

[ExPLiciT]

i just recently bought an 18" HHX Evolution, and i love it. although it is really thin and im sure its gonna break in time(but its ok i got the performance guarantee), i just fell in love with that sound. that is my primary crash.
i also bought an 18" HHX Studio Crash as a secondary crash to ride on.
it sounds great with the K Custom Dark Ride that i have.

i spent 305.00(+ 60 for the performance guarantee) on that cymbal where did u find it for 250?

IMO it is worth the price tag, as long as u get the performance guarantee, beacuase that thing will crack.

[HeadRush]

well I saw it on musicians friend a few weeks ago

but it was actually in a guitar center used for $190
but I got used zildjian New Beat Hi-Hats instead
and I'm glad I got those
haha

[DamoSyzygy]

i just recently bought an 18" HHX Evolution, and i love it. although it is really thin and im sure its gonna break in time(but its ok i got the performance guarantee), i just fell in love with that sound. that is my primary crash.
i also bought an 18" HHX Studio Crash as a secondary crash to ride on.
it sounds great with the K Custom Dark Ride that i have.

i spent 305.00(+ 60 for the performance guarantee) on that cymbal where did u find it for 250?

IMO it is worth the price tag, as long as u get the performance guarantee, beacuase that thing will crack.
A cymbal isnt more prone to cracking just because its thin.

[elpol]

I'm thinking about saving up to buy a sabain hhx evolution 18" crash
but I am not completely sure if they are worth the hefty $250 price tag
I am just completely in love with the sound that they have
does anybody know of a cheaper 18" thin crash that can get a deep and full rounded tone?
because I have a low budget.I have one, it's definitely one of my faves - it has gone all warped and waved, even has a small 'tear' on the edge (no, not a crack, a tear. really, it's just that thin of a cymbal).

I too, completely love it's sound - I use it both on kit and in my hybrid perc./kit setups, cause it responds beautifully when played with my hand, and not very many cymbals are capable of that kind of versatility (imho)

you can try an AAX 18" Studio crash: it'll be cheaper, except it won't have the depth of tone that the HHX will have.

[ExPLiciT]

A cymbal isnt more prone to cracking just because its thin.

not to sound rude but i am now intrigued and curious about your comment.... but i was always under the impression it was, every one including my teacher told me it was. honestly, please tell me your reasoning behind your comment?

[elpol]

A cymbal isnt more prone to cracking just because its thin.

not to sound rude but i am now intrigued and curious about your comment.... but i was always under the impression it was, every one including my teacher told me it was. honestly, please tell me your reasoning behind your comment?
it's not necessarily an intuitive thing, and he perhaps might be speaking literally, because DamoSyzygy makes a true statement. think of it this way: usage-context and fractures, are more a factor in cracking then it's actual weight. Cymbals, like so many things, are manufactured to purpose. Of course, you can cross-purpose; there are really no set rules in that regard. However, there are consequences...

If you play really hard all the time, and you dig the sound of thin cymbals, then you're more likely to break them, than if you used heavier cymbals that were manufactured with the style you play in mind. This isn't the result of the cymbal cracking just because it's thin - you also have consider that the cymbals weren't designed to be used in this context.

[ExPLiciT]

it's not necessarily an intuitive thing, and he perhaps might be speaking literally, because DamoSyzygy makes a true statement. think of it this way: usage-context and fractures, are more a factor in cracking then it's actual weight. Cymbals, like so many things, are manufactured to purpose. Of course, you can cross-purpose; there are really no set rules in that regard. However, there are consequences...

If you play really hard all the time, and you dig the sound of thin cymbals, then you're more likely to break them, than if you used heavier cymbals that were manufactured with the style you play in mind. This isn't the result of the cymbal cracking just because it's thin - you also have consider that the cymbals weren't designed to be used in this context.

yes i understand what what you are saying, the Evolution series being more "jazz" oriented then "hard rock".
i was just thinking about that cymbal and the context i use it in: hitting on the harder side.
his comment was just so direct it threw me off guard haha

[onedevilsst]

i just recently bought an 18" HHX Evolution, and i love it. although it is really thin and im sure its gonna break in time(but its ok i got the performance guarantee),
IMO it is worth the price tag, as long as u get the performance guarantee, beacuase that thing will crack.

to be honest, I have had it the longest out of all my cymbals and its above my hats/ rack tom, so it gets played the most and there is no sign of cracking, i thought this was cos it flex's so much, and that i dont screw cymbals down......

[DamoSyzygy]

Apart from suitability to playing style, which elpol explained so well, also consider that thinner cymbals flex and bend alot further than thicker cymbals, and that extra movement can help to distribute weight around the cymbal. Thicker cymbals can sometimes be a little more brittle as they are structurally more rigid.

Also, some people who dont necessarily play hard may realize they cannot get a full sound out of a thicker cymbal unless they hit it harder. When they do this, they tense their wrists and fingers to provided more powerful than they are comfortable using. This breakdown of technique affects the cymbal hit and the way the cymbal responds. This could be one reason why I see more customers with cracked thick cymbals rather than thin.

Its starts with the right choice, though.

[HeadRush]

yeah I have had concerns of buying that cymbal and it cracking. but I'm really not a very hard player and will go easy on my cymbals. but still, I don't want to tear a 250 dollar cymbal! haha. I have heard the zildjian hybrid dark crash and understood that there are similarities in the two cymbals and that the zildjian is a bit thicker of a cymbal, but it just wasn't what I'm wanting. I will continue to save and hopefully get my hands on the hhx