Buying a new Kit soon!

[jondrumming]

Hey everyone, just thought I'd tell you what I'm saving up for:

Drums: PDP FS Kit, Tobacco Burst/Blue Fade

14"x5" Snare Drum
8"x7" Rack Tom
10"x8" Rack Tom
12"x9" Rack Tom
14"x12" Floor Tom
16"x14" Floor Tom (add-on)
22"x18" Bass Drum
22"x18" Bass Drum (add-on)

13"x6.5" Tama John Blackwell Signature Snare
OR
14"x5.5" PDP Maple Snare w/ maple hoops


Cymbals:

Zildjian A Custom 14" Hi Hats
Zildjian A Custom 20" Ride
Zildjian A Custom 14" Crash
Zildjian A Custom 16" Crash
Zildjian A Custom 18" Crash
Zildjian A Custom 8" Splash
Zildjian A Custom 10" Splash
Zildjian A Custom 18" China

Hardware:

Bass Drum Pedal (x2 single): Gibraltar Intruder Direct Drive / Tama Iron Cobra Flexiglide / Yamaha Flying Dragon Direct Drive / DW 5000 Accelerator / Axis XL Longboards / PDP B.O.A.
Hi Hat Stand: Gibraltar Ultra-Adjust no-leg hi hat stand
Snare Stand: PDP 800 Snare Stand
Hi Hat Clamp: Tama Hi Hat Attachment Clamp
Rack: Pearl ICON 3-sided rack (6 clamps)
Cymbal Arms: Gibraltar Ratchet Boom Arm x3, Gibraltar Long Boom Arm x2 (for splashes)
Throne: Roc n' Soc Original

Heads:

Evans G Plus Coated Fusion Pack


What do you all think?

I need MAJOR help choosing the bass drum pedals, expertise please!

[bojangleman]

do you have a kit as it is?

why are you going for the almost most expensive pedal out there? lol..

why not pearl Eliminators or Iron Cobra's?

what kind of music do you play?
will you be gigging?

Alex

[jondrumming]

do you have a kit as it is?

why are you going for the almost most expensive pedal out there? lol..

why not pearl Eliminators or Iron Cobra's?

what kind of music do you play?
will you be gigging?

Alex

I have 2 kits right now, one really cheap Silvertone Pro (don't ask, it was a LONG time ago), and a Yamaha DTXtreme IIs.

Good point about the pedal, I went for the expensive one so that once I had enough money overall, I would have a greater selection of different pedals. For example, If I saved up for Cobras, and then decided I wanted to get Axis or DW 9000s, I would need roughly another $200.

I don't do too much gigging, but I am in the process of forming a band, so there may be a few gigs down the road.

As for what type of music I play mostly rock, a little jazz here and there, but overall I have a unique playing style.

Thanks for the answer, it got me thinking about the pedal!

[GRUNTERSDAD]

If it were me I would would spend less on the pedal and more on cymbals. You will tire of the B8 brand

[Khaine88]

also you dont really need a rack if you only have 5 cymbals, especially since the pdp kit comes with hardware

[TenPastTen]

If it were me I would would spend less on the pedal and more on cymbals. You will tire of the B8 brand

Ditto on cymbals, but damn. You might want a car instead of the drums (I can't believe I'm saying this) because "enjoying teenagehood" will be greatly enhanced by having a car....





with a large back seat BTW...





..

[eddiehimself]

yeah i agree with everyone else, get something like a DW5002 or pearl eliminators and spend the extra money on cymbals. Also don't get loads of cheap cymbals because you can always add on cymbals later, especially with the rack. Otherwise lookin pretty good atm.

[midknight]

Ditto everyone else on the cymbals and pedals. You can get some great deals on cymbals on eBay or craigslist. Also, look into some different brands than the X7. You'll get fewer drums, but better quality and shell material.

Also, trust me, high school (and college) will definitely be better with a car than a drums.

[frank0072]

Get good drums and a cheap car. That's my advice.

And ditch the rack and pedals, go for Eliminators and pro-level Zilbinaiste cymbals..

[eddiehimself]

Guys why is everyone so obsessed with him getting a car? He did say he doesn't want either at university. There's not much point in getting a car when your 16 or 17 because the insurance is just ridiculous. Waste of time and money imo. Not to mention people don't kill themselves on drums.

[Sinsyk17]

Ditto everyone else on the cymbals and pedals. You can get some great deals on cymbals on eBay or craigslist. Also, look into some different brands than the X7. You'll get fewer drums, but better quality and shell material.

Also, trust me, high school (and college) will definitely be better with a car than a drums.

I have had no problem with my x7's and use them weekly at gig's. They sound great with g2 coated over g1 clear, which was my next suggestion, if you are going with an x7. The hardware has also past the test of time.

But again, if you can buy used and if I were you, I would not get those pedals, and get some nicer cymbals.

[TenPastTen]

Guys why is everyone so obsessed with him getting a car? He did say he doesn't want either at university. There's not much point in getting a car when your 16 or 17 because the insurance is just ridiculous. Waste of time and money imo. Not to mention people don't kill themselves on drums.

I don't know where the OP is from, but since he said "college" rather than "university" I am assuming he is from the US. That being said, it is usually quite impractical to not own a car. Not many of our cities are "walking" cities and public transit is not exactly universal either. In addition many of our colleges tend to accomodate more students-with-cars rather than students-with-drums.

Now, that was a somewhat serious answer to perhaps a rhetorical question...but nevertheless...drum-related deaths are FAR less likely than car-related deaths...so you got me there;-)

[eddiehimself]

I don't know where the OP is from, but since he said "college" rather than "university" I am assuming he is from the US. That being said, it is usually quite impractical to not own a car. Not many of our cities are "walking" cities and public transit is not exactly universal either. In addition many of our colleges tend to accomodate more students-with-cars rather than students-with-drums.

Now, that was a somewhat serious answer to perhaps a rhetorical question...but nevertheless...drum-related deaths are FAR less likely than car-related deaths...so you got me there;-)

Well to be fair there was a drum maker who died in london but that was because the head he ordered from africa had anthrax on it.

As for the car cities, i know what you mean. Most US cities were designed round the car. However maybe he could buy his drums and play them now then in a couple of years when he goes to "collage" or university whatever you want to call it, he can sell up and get a car? Or maybe he might have saved up enough to buy a cheap car and still be able to come back to his drums when he finishes his degree.

[jondrumming]

yeah i agree with everyone else, get something like a DW5002 or pearl eliminators and spend the extra money on cymbals. Also don't get loads of cheap cymbals because you can always add on cymbals later, especially with the rack. Otherwise lookin pretty good atm.

That's actually not a bad idea about adding on better cymbals, would you suggest a particular brand?

Guys why is everyone so obsessed with him getting a car? He did say he doesn't want either at university. There's not much point in getting a car when your 16 or 17 because the insurance is just ridiculous. Waste of time and money imo. Not to mention people don't kill themselves on drums.

Those are exactly the reasons why I don't want to get a car!

I don't know where the OP is from, but since he said "college" rather than "university" I am assuming he is from the US. That being said, it is usually quite impractical to not own a car. Not many of our cities are "walking" cities and public transit is not exactly universal either. In addition many of our colleges tend to accomodate more students-with-cars rather than students-with-drums.

Now, that was a somewhat serious answer to perhaps a rhetorical question...but nevertheless...drum-related deaths are FAR less likely than car-related deaths...so you got me there;-)

Ahh, I knew someone would notice the college thing. I actually live in Canada, but a lot of my extended family is American, including my mom, so she taught me to spell colour like color, and, as you mentioned, she told me that when I got older I would go to college. Where I'm planning to go to university isn't really that convenient a place to be driving around a car, mainly because everything is within walking distance.

[Ainulindale]

If it were me I would would spend less on the pedal and more on cymbals. You will tire of the B8 brand

about 10 minutes after their outta the box, i play B8's, sadly...

skins and cymbals, in that order - enjoy the new kit!

...and pics, asap!

[eddiehimself]

That's actually not a bad idea about adding on better cymbals, would you suggest a particular brand?

Well it's difficult to know, maybe try sabian AAXs, or zildjian Z/A customs? Look on ebay as well you can get barely used cymbals for pretty cheap.


Ahh, I knew someone would notice the college thing. I actually live in Canada, but a lot of my extended family is American, including my mom, so she taught me to spell colour like color, and, as you mentioned, she told me that when I got older I would go to college. Where I'm planning to go to university isn't really that convenient a place to be driving around a car, mainly because everything is within walking distance.

Yeah okay that's the same thing with me too. Most UK cities have very good public transport.

[TenPastTen]

Ahh, I knew someone would notice the college thing. I actually live in Canada, but a lot of my extended family is American, including my mom, so she taught me to spell colour like color, and, as you mentioned, she told me that when I got older I would go to college. Where I'm planning to go to university isn't really that convenient a place to be driving around a car, mainly because everything is within walking distance.

Well, if you don't need a car, then you get the drums! And as far as cymbals go, I have some Sabian gear that I can be talked out of. Just PM me if you'd like.

[jondrumming]

Well, if you don't need a car, then you get the drums! And as far as cymbals go, I have some Sabian gear that I can be talked out of. Just PM me if you'd like.

Thanks for the offer! However I'm going to go with A Customs (new/used). Lol I changed my mind from B8s to A Customs in about three days :P

[henhog]

Lol i'm 17 and I have a car and drums! though i have no money...

Dito on everything - eliminators and bigger cymbals and possibly no rack (unless you like the less sustain, higher pitch small crashes).

[eddiehimself]

Yeah it's looking better. Are you sure you like the idea of such small crashes though? Of course as i said you can always just buy bigger a customs later and just have a monster kit ;) As for stands, well you've already got a rack so you shouldn't have to worry about getting cymbal or tom stands but as for a snare stand i've got a Gibraltair omniball stand which is very good i think and about £50. Roc n soc are extremely good thrones and i don't think you'll regret purchasing one.

[jondrumming]

Yeah it's looking better. Are you sure you like the idea of such small crashes though? Of course as i said you can always just buy bigger a customs later and just have a monster kit ;) As for stands, well you've already got a rack so you shouldn't have to worry about getting cymbal or tom stands but as for a snare stand i've got a Gibraltair omniball stand which is very good i think and about £50. Roc n soc are extremely good thrones and i don't think you'll regret purchasing one.

I changed the sizes of the crashes to 16" and 18", well actually I changed pretty much everything about the kit! And I think you're right about the Roc n' Soc, I tried one out at GC and it was AMAZING.

[eddiehimself]

okay looks good mate. Funnily enough i was talking to my friend today and he was saying that the only reason the B.O.A is a PDP is just because they want a younger target audience and it's actually as good, if not better than a lot of DW pedals. The A-Customs are beautiful sounding cymbals and the workhorses of thousands of drummers in almost all styles of music so you won't regret it. The only thing i would say is that if you're gonna wait to get the FX cymbals (the crash and china presumably?) then maybe you could hold out and get something better? I hear people who say that even PST5s make much better cymbals than PST3s.

[wloeb]

For $3,000 I think that you should definately be able to get a pro kit. If you want to go new I would suggest the that you look at

1) Yamaha oak customs
2) Gretsch Renowns
3) Tama birch/bubinga

and perhaps consider going with a double pedal (especially if you are going to gig with this kit)

You can do much better than PDP for this kind of money.

Wayne


Hey everyone, just thought I'd tell you what I'm thinking of buying:

Drums: PDP FS 6 pc. Drum Set with add-on bass drum and floor tom, making it an 8 pc.

Snare Drum: Tama John Blackwell Signature Snare

Add-ons: ddrum Deccabons, 14" & 16" depth

Cymbals: Zildjian A Custom Crashes, 16" and 18", Zildjian A Custom Ride, 20", Zildjian A Custom Hi Hats, 14", Paiste PST 3 Splash, 10", Paiste PST 3 China 18"

x2 Single Pedal: PDP B.O.A.

Heads: Batter- Evans G Plus Coated Fusion Pack, Resonant- Stock

Cymbal Stands: PDP 800

Throne: Roc n' Soc Original

Note that the Heads, Effect cymbals, Throne, and Deccabons will be gradually added on after the initial purchase.

Total of everything else comes to just under $3000.

What do you all think?

[jondrumming]

okay looks good mate. Funnily enough i was talking to my friend today and he was saying that the only reason the B.O.A is a PDP is just because they want a younger target audience and it's actually as good, if not better than a lot of DW pedals. The A-Customs are beautiful sounding cymbals and the workhorses of thousands of drummers in almost all styles of music so you won't regret it. The only thing i would say is that if you're gonna wait to get the FX cymbals (the crash and china presumably?) then maybe you could hold out and get something better? I hear people who say that even PST5s make much better cymbals than PST3s.

Thanks! And that's actually a great idea about the effects cymbals, I was kind of skeptical about the PST 3s, I'll probably go with the PST 5s.

For $3,000 I think that you should definately be able to get a pro kit. If you want to go new I would suggest the that you look at

1) Yamaha oak customs
2) Gretsch Renowns
3) Tama birch/bubinga

and perhaps consider going with a double pedal (especially if you are going to gig with this kit)

You can do much better than PDP for this kind of money.

Wayne

Well, I don't think you read my whole post, because I said that $3000 is including the drums, hardware, and cymbals. I also said that I'm buying a second bass drum, so a double pedal would be sort of pointless, that's why I'm getting 2 single PDP B.O.A. pedals.

[genericdrummingusername]

DON"T LET "EM SWAY U I wanna hear about the B.O.A.'s ;)

[tard]

since your in canada sabian is a likely choice, most of mine are AAX with a couple AA and HH, if you buy new you can buy sets (hats crash and ride) and or (splash and chineese) etc, and save a few bucks that way, also any good used stuff thats realy dirty can be sent to sabian and repolished and restamped for $25 per cymbal and they pay the return shipping, AA,AAX,HH,HHX and Vault only, pretty cheap to make a cymbal like new, also check out dixon or gibralter hardware, their HD stuff are both about the same, with double braced legs and thick wall tubing, ive been gigging my dixon hardware for 10 years now with no problems. the better quality your shells and cymbals are the better they will sound and the more you will want to play them...

[wloeb]

Thanks! And that's actually a great idea about the effects cymbals, I was kind of skeptical about the PST 3s, I'll probably go with the PST 5s.



Well, I don't think you read my whole post, because I said that $3000 is including the drums, hardware, and cymbals. I also said that I'm buying a second bass drum, so a double pedal would be sort of pointless, that's why I'm getting 2 single PDP B.O.A. pedals.

I read your whole post, and I think that you still can do better than the PDP drums for $3K. The double pedal would be instead of the second bass drum.
No offence intended but it sounds like you were planning to spend $3,000 on mostly beginner level stuff. (Except for the hardware, pedals and the Zildjians)
I think that this is very misguided. For that kind of money you should have professional gear.
I just read about someone getting a 6 piece Renown for under 1K that leaves pleny of money for add on drums hardware and cymbals.


Please note I'm not saying to buy any of these kits (Except the one from Forks) but they are good examples to show you what's available for your price range.
hears a few examples:

You can start with one of these and add around 1000 for hardware and cymbals, and add drums when you want more.
Yamaha Oak custom 8-10-12-14-22 + snare $1,999
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Oak-Custom-Drum-Kit-BRAND-NEW-6-pc-w-tom-mounts_W0QQitemZ330300099005QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item330300099005&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50


Brand new from Forks ( A great 5 Star dealer) Yamaha oak 10-12-14-16-22 $1595
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Oak-Custom-Shell-Pack_W0QQitemZ260348045067QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item260348045067&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

My choice: Used Yamaha BCAN 10-12-16-22 $1,699
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Birch-Custom-Absolute-Nouveau-Drums-Blue-Sparkle_W0QQitemZ220347400051QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item220347400051&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A2|294%3A50


Tama Starclassic Used 10-12-13-14-15-22 and snare $1,200
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tama-Starclassic-Drum-Set-Piano-Black-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ190280704217QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item190280704217&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Tama Starclassic maple used 8-10-12-13-16-22 $1,499
http://cgi.ebay.com/6-PIECE-TAMA-STARCLASSIC-MAPLE-DRUM-KIT_W0QQitemZ110333238471QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item110333238471&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

[eddiehimself]

Well, I don't think you read my whole post, because I said that $3000 is including the drums, hardware, and cymbals. I also said that I'm buying a second bass drum, so a double pedal would be sort of pointless, that's why I'm getting 2 single PDP B.O.A. pedals.

To be honest you would be better off just getting a single bass kit with a double pedal as W Loeb has already suggested. Honestly, it's not just cheaper there are advantages too like for me it's much easier to record and really you just end up with a tighter kit.

[indiadrummer]

My suggestion would be to re-focus your money where it is most important: the drums and the cymbals. At the end of the day they are all that matter.

[bojangleman]

My suggestion would be to re-focus your money where it is most important: the drums and the cymbals. At the end of the day they are all that matter.

you need stands to use the cymbals!

and pedals to play the drums..

Alex

[wloeb]

you need stands to use the cymbals!

and pedals to play the drums..

Alex
A DW 5000 or an iron cobra double pedal should be more than good enough and either one costs $380. Another advantage to a double pedal is that you can use it with the electric kit as well for consistency.


Alex,

I've read many good posts by you, how would you recommend the original poster spend $3,000?

Wayne

[jondrumming]

Guys, please stop telling me not to get 2 bass drums, I appreciate the advice, but in the end, that is my choice to make.

Anyway, what do you all think of the Gibraltar Double Bass Rack?

[jondrumming]

SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST


Forget the Gibraltar double bass rack, how do you all think a 4-sided Pearl ICON (side extension) would do with 2 bass drums?

[wloeb]

Guys, please stop telling me not to get 2 bass drums, I appreciate the advice, but in the end, that is my choice to make.

Anyway, what do you all think of the Gibraltar Double Bass Rack?

Fine get two bass drums if you want. But let me be blunt. You are wasting your money if you are spending $3K for a kit based around a PDP FS. $3k to suround youself with lot's of low-end drums?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

Over and out
Wayne

[drums_n_surf]

buy used, you could get a fair amount of pro cymbals and drums for that price....i can only dream of the kind of drum kit i could have if i had $3000 US to spend, so don't waste it on brand-spanking new mid-level gear

[trkdrmr]

Guys why is everyone so obsessed with him getting a car? He did say he doesn't want either at university. There's not much point in getting a car when your 16 or 17 because the insurance is just ridiculous. Waste of time and money imo. Not to mention people don't kill themselves on drums.

No no no. I happen to know that teens with cars get um..."action" 99% more of the time than teens without. A drum kit won't bring your babe to the movies or initiate any...um...action until you are a rock star. Understand, this is the bane of parents, but speaking as a former teen....

Insurance isn't *that* bad if he has a job, and sticks to a non-sports car with a $500 deductible. Will a used ford focus REALLY cost that much for insurance? Not like a used mustang would.

[jondrumming]

Fine get two bass drums if you want. But let me be blunt. You are wasting your money if you are spending $3K for a kit based around a PDP FS. $3k to suround youself with lot's of low-end drums?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

Over and out
Wayne

Point taken, although PDP FS drums aren't (from what I've heard) low level drums, they are more medium-level. And yes, the drums are not the highest quality, but tons of drummers have told me the general rule about purchasing drums, which is: You are able to change the sound of a drum to match your preferences; you can't do the same with cymbals.

For this reason, I've decided to spend more money on the Zildjian A Customs, because I know they will last a lifetime (I don't typically play in a manner that damages/breaks cymbals), and even if I ever do decide to upgrade my actual drums (and you made some great recommendations, but they are all out of range for the time being), I will have the cymbals on hand.

No matter how much I disagree with you, I will still take your opinion into account, as you seem like someone who knows their drums well!

[trkdrmr]

Point taken, although PDP FS drums aren't (from what I've heard) low level drums, they are more medium-level.

Please...no. Let's not get overzealous. They are entry level. They are not equivalent to any intermediate I can think of. They compete with stuff like the yamaha rydeen.

[genericdrummingusername]

Please...no. Let's not get overzealous. They are entry level. They are not equivalent to any intermediate I can think of. They compete with stuff like the yamaha rydeen.


I think it's all subjective. Entry or not, I love the sound of my FS kit more than even my drum teacher's DW.

If I'm not mistaken, the general wisdom on upgrading a kit is cymbals first, than shells.
If he goes with A customs and FS he WILL have an excellent sounding kit.

(Given he tunes and plays properly.)

[PlaysforFun]

I'll sell you drums and cymbals for $3000. 21"AA Raw bell ride, 19" a custom projection, 18" AAX xplosion, 14" AAX x-celerator hats, DW 5000 double pedal

[jondrumming]

I think it's all subjective. Entry or not, I love the sound of my FS kit more than even my drum teacher's DW.

If I'm not mistaken, the general wisdom on upgrading a kit is cymbals first, than shells.
If he goes with A customs and FS he WILL have an excellent sounding kit.

(Given he tunes and plays properly.)

Now HERE'S someone who understands what I'm talking about. I've played this kit (a 5 pc.) at a friend's house, and was blown away at how professional it sounded. Who knows, maybe it was the heads she was using (Evans G Plus), but those are the ones I'm looking into anyway.

Besides, have any of you seen some of the finishes these drums come in? The tobacco burst finish is stunning!

[eddiehimself]

No no no. I happen to know that teens with cars get um..."action" 99% more of the time than teens without. A drum kit won't bring your babe to the movies or initiate any...um...action until you are a rock star. Understand, this is the bane of parents, but speaking as a former teen....

Insurance isn't *that* bad if he has a job, and sticks to a non-sports car with a $500 deductible. Will a used ford focus REALLY cost that much for insurance? Not like a used mustang would.

Maybe in the US that's true but here i wouldn't say it really made that much difference. I know quite a few people who don't have a car and have a girlfriend.

As for the insurance. I was quoted £1032 on one of those Price comparison websites, that was the cheapest one, some came back with upwards of 2 grand and that was for 3rd party fire and theft with a £500 excess on an 8 year old ford fiesta. I didn't even realise you lot had ford focuses (erm, foci?) I thought they were more sort of european. I guess the other thing about the US is that u actually see teenagers in ford mustangs. Here, no chance, mummy and daddy would actually have to own an insurance company to get them insured! Plus, you still haven't tried to counter my other point about people not killing themselves on drums.

JD, i'm looking at getting evans G+ heads, they're basically designed for real hard-hitters and single ply heads in general are louder than 2 or 3 ply heads.

[jondrumming]

Ok everyone, I've made quite a few changes, hopefully for the better, but I need a bunch of help choosing out the right bass drum pedal. Of course, I'll try all of them out at the drum shop, but I need personal experiences, problems, and other information on the pedals listed in the original post.

Help please!

[trkdrmr]

JD, i'm looking at getting evans G+ heads, they're basically designed for real hard-hitters and single ply heads in general are louder than 2 or 3 ply heads.

Getting off of the all-important transportation topic...

I have ordered a set of g plus coated for my kit.

[eddiehimself]

Okay in terms of pedals i definetly reccomend you buy a direct drive pedal. So either the Yamaha, Gibraltar or my personal favourite the Axis.

[jondrumming]

Okay in terms of pedals i definetly reccomend you buy a direct drive pedal. So either the Yamaha, Gibraltar or my personal favourite the Axis.

What kind of Axis pedals would you recommend? I was looking into the XL Longboards, but do you know of anything in particular about the AL Longboards that put them above the XL's?

[eddiehimself]

What kind of Axis pedals would you recommend? I was looking into the XL Longboards, but do you know of anything in particular about the AL Longboards that put them above the XL's?

Well just from looking at the As, they look a lot more stripped down compared to the Xs i would say they are probably more streamlined and therefore faster. I'm sure the Xs are plenty fast as it is though.

[jondrumming]

Well just from looking at the As, they look a lot more stripped down compared to the Xs i would say they are probably more streamlined and therefore faster. I'm sure the Xs are plenty fast as it is though.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, the Xs look a little bit wider than the As. Also, there's the Sonic Hammer Beaters, but that seems like sort of a gimmick to me... anyway, I'll probably stop by the drum store after school one day with a friend just to try out some pedals (my friend is looking for a pedal too, but she wants to buy either an Iron Cobra or a DW 5000, so I'll check those out, too).

[eddiehimself]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking, the Xs look a little bit wider than the As. Also, there's the Sonic Hammer Beaters, but that seems like sort of a gimmick to me... anyway, I'll probably stop by the drum store after school one day with a friend just to try out some pedals (my friend is looking for a pedal too, but she wants to buy either an Iron Cobra or a DW 5000, so I'll check those out, too).

If you can afford an axis pedal not much point in looking at those 2 pedals.

[jondrumming]

If you can afford an axis pedal not much point in looking at those 2 pedals.

Good point, if I can afford 2 Axis Longboards I'll DEFINITELY go for those... Although how much more expensive do you think 2 Trick Big Foots would be? I'd rather wait it out and get the Tricks than settle for the Axis... Not that there's anything wrong with Axis! I just prefer Trick, they seem more durable and more easily adjustable.

Last time I checked the Trick Big Foot singles were around $350 each, and the Axis A Longboards were $250 each. I think I'm going to cut costs elsewhere (snare drum, throne maybe?) and switch the Intruders to Trick Big Foots, then it would be an even more awesome kit!

[CaptainSticks]

if your looking at any pedal make sure you try them first! i bought an axis single AL longboard and and ended up not liking it. so i lost about $120 there.

[wloeb]

Good point, if I can afford 2 Axis Longboards I'll DEFINITELY go for those... Although how much more expensive do you think 2 Trick Big Foots would be? I'd rather wait it out and get the Tricks than settle for the Axis... Not that there's anything wrong with Axis! I just prefer Trick, they seem more durable and more easily adjustable.

Last time I checked the Trick Big Foot singles were around $350 each, and the Axis A Longboards were $250 each. I think I'm going to cut costs elsewhere (snare drum, throne maybe?) and switch the Intruders to Trick Big Foots, then it would be an even more awesome kit!

Well you have not been interested in my advice so-far but I'll try once more.
The snare drum is the most important part of your set. If you actually plan on playing and practicing, your throne is very important. I think that you would have to be crazy to cut cost on your snare and throne for the difference between DW 5000/Axis/and trick
They are all good pedals.

btw I really like my Tama HT730, very comfortable.
Also there is a set of pacific FS on SF craigslist for $350 (gives you an idea on resale value)

Wayne

[wloeb]

I'll also state again, If you are spending 3K, you can do far, far better than PDP FS drums.

Why not get a kit like one of these and pick up the other drums on ebay as they turn up.
You can set up a nice kit based on one of these for under $3K even if you special order the second bass drum.
Any of these will absolutely crush the PDP FS drums, as they should.

From Fork's , A great drum shop, (I bought one of my kits from them)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Oak-Custom-Shell-Pack_W0QQitemZ260358913450QQihZ016QQcategoryZ38097 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Also Forks
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Gretsch-Renown-5pc-shell-pack-Cherry-Burst_W0QQitemZ300288706992QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3809 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


From The Drum shop in Maine
Another great dealer, ( I bought one of my sets here from Shane)
http://cgi.ebay.com/GRETSCH-RENOWN-INCA-GOLD-SPARKLE-EURO-SHELL-PACK-22_W0QQitemZ400029558195QQihZ027QQcategoryZ38097QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


other options
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yamaha-Oak-Custom-5pc-Drum-Set-Red-Oak-Shell-Pack-1450_W0QQitemZ250368518086QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38097 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/Gretsch-Renown-maple-5-piece-drum-set-kit-near-mint_W0QQitemZ360130599823QQihZ023QQcategoryZ38097 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[wloeb]

one more:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gretsch-Renown-Maple-Drumset-Super-Mahogany-Drums-Mint_W0QQitemZ250370138035QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item250370138035&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A131

[ENRICO]

what about a 20" crash ? I think is more useful than a 16"

[eddiehimself]

Wloeb is right, really i doubt you're going to know the difference between the axis and the trick pedals. And a good snare is very important.

[TenPastTen]

I know this sounds crazy, but do not fit the drums into your budget, fit your budget into your drums.

Find a sound you dig and buy smart. If you like the PDP FS, then buy a used set for $350 rather than a new set for $1100. You're doing well seeking out info in the forum, but you seem to be trending towards seeking affirmation rather than objective advice.

If you got to have Trick pedals, then get them. When. You. Can. Afford. Them. Do not get them at the expense of a good snare. To illustrate, Bonham played with a Ludwig Speedking pedal which is rudimetary by today's standards but he played a Legedary snare drum that launched a thousand hits.

This will not be the last $3K you'll have to spend at drums, but many would like to help you spend it wisely. Single bass and all....

[genericdrummingusername]

Do you guys have any idea how much you guys are indirectly demeaning my kit? It's an FS, AND IT ROCKS STOP HATIN"!!!!

[wloeb]

Do you guys have any idea how much you guys are indirectly demeaning my kit? It's an FS, AND IT ROCKS STOP HATIN"!!!!


Sorry, I'm not trying to slam PDP FS , just saying that one can do alot better for $3,000.

Wayne

[jondrumming]

Well you have not been interested in my advice so-far but I'll try once more.
The snare drum is the most important part of your set. If you actually plan on playing and practicing, your throne is very important. I think that you would have to be crazy to cut cost on your snare and throne for the difference between DW 5000/Axis/and trick
They are all good pedals.

btw I really like my Tama HT730, very comfortable.
Also there is a set of pacific FS on SF craigslist for $350 (gives you an idea on resale value)

Wayne

I'm sorry if I seemed uninterested before, but your point about the snare and throne is actually a GREAT one, I can't believe I didn't think of that before, seriously! What was I thinking?! Ugh now I feel like an idiot for saying I was going to get good pedals instead of a good throne AND a good snare!

About the FS, I'm going to have to think about that for awhile, because I'm probably going to have to decided, ultimately, between size or sound. Double bass or single, etc. Meh, I'll get to that when I get to that.

Thanks, though!

Wloeb is right, really i doubt you're going to know the difference between the axis and the trick pedals. And a good snare is very important.

You're probably right about the pedals, and I agree with you and wloeb about the snare.



This will not be the last $3K you'll have to spend at drums, but many would like to help you spend it wisely. Single bass and all....

Excellent point, as of now all suggestions will be noted and taken into account from anyone.

[jondrumming]

Hey everyone, I stumbled across the Tama Superstar Hyperdrive, which sound GREAT!

I was wondering if it is possible to order this configuration:

http://www.tamadrum.co.jp/product/images/drum_kit/SK-HD-SET08-BMB.jpg

And how much (in Canadian dollars) would it cost?

Thanks!

[eddiehimself]

Yes you can order that from tama and as for prices i don't know probably anywhere between $1000-1500cdn

[jondrumming]

Yes you can order that from tama and as for prices i don't know probably anywhere between $1000-1500cdn

Oh wow, I thought it would be WAY more, like in the $2000+ range! Anyway, has anyone played these before? If so, how do they match up to other high quality drums?

[wloeb]

Yes you can order that from tama and as for prices i don't know probably anywhere between $1000-1500cdn

Where did you come up with this price? Did you just make it up?

At guitar center a 6 piece Superstar is $1339

22" x 18" bass drums
10" x 6-1/2"
12" x 7"
14" x 12"
16" x 14"
6-1/2" x 14"
• bass pedal • Snare stand • Tom tom stand • Boom cymbal stand, straight cymbal stand and a hi-hat cymbal stand.

The second Bass drum would be about $500
and two more toms would be anouther $400
So total about $2,240 US and you would still need another pedal and 3 more cymbal stands.

Everything except the cymbals would be around $2,600

[jondrumming]

Where did you come up with this price? Did you just make it up?

At guitar center a 6 piece Superstar is $1339

22" x 18" bass drums
10" x 6-1/2"
12" x 7"
14" x 12"
16" x 14"
6-1/2" x 14"
• bass pedal • Snare stand • Tom tom stand • Boom cymbal stand, straight cymbal stand and a hi-hat cymbal stand.

The second Bass drum would be about $500
and two more toms would be anouther $400
So total about $2,240 US and you would still need another pedal and 3 more cymbal stands.

Everything except the cymbals would be around $2,600

Ok thanks, that gives me a better idea of where I stand in terms of pricing. Would you personally consider this kit, including hardware, worth $2600?

[jer]

If you are as commited to getting two kicks as you seem to be, I won't try to steer you away from that.

I will however suggest you consider getting different sizes.

I no longer play double kick, but I'm sure happy I have the option of different sized kicks.

[wloeb]

Ok thanks, that gives me a better idea of where I stand in terms of pricing. Would you personally consider this kit, including hardware, worth $2600?

No, I wouldn't buy this kit with my $2600. I would rather get fewer higher quality drums.
I would also take a used pro kit over a new amatuer/semipro kit of any size.

Where are you going to put all these drums anyway, how will you transport them.

I'm assuming that you play metal from the number of drums you want. A used set of Yamaha Oak customs or Starclassics would be awesome for metal. I would also reccomend that you get one bass drum and use a double pedal.

BTW John, when do you plan on purchasing this kit?

[eddiehimself]

No, I wouldn't buy this kit with my $2600. I would rather get fewer higher quality drums.
I would also take a used pro kit over a new amatuer/semipro kit of any size.

Where are you going to put all these drums anyway, how will you transport them.

I'm assuming that you play metal from the number of drums you want. A used set of Yamaha Oak customs or Starclassics would be awesome for metal. I would also reccomend that you get one bass drum and use a double pedal.

BTW John, when do you plan on purchasing this kit?

He's right, we all want to own huge kits with 18 drums on them but we're not all rich rockstars so really you should just settle with a 5 piece kit with a double kick drum pedal for now. I've already said this. A lot of people use these pedals not to be cheap but because they're easier to set up and transport.

[jondrumming]

No, I wouldn't buy this kit with my $2600. I would rather get fewer higher quality drums.
I would also take a used pro kit over a new amatuer/semipro kit of any size.

Where are you going to put all these drums anyway, how will you transport them.

I'm assuming that you play metal from the number of drums you want. A used set of Yamaha Oak customs or Starclassics would be awesome for metal. I would also reccomend that you get one bass drum and use a double pedal.

BTW John, when do you plan on purchasing this kit?

I'll have to think about the quantity, although I probably wouldn't be moving it around much, so I wouldn't need cases, and it wouldn't be a hassle. Oh, and as for WHEN, it really depends on when I have saved up enough money. I'm not going to say how much I've saved so far, but I plan on getting a job soon (my sister says she can definitely get me a job at the place she works), so that should speed it up a bit!

He's right, we all want to own huge kits with 18 drums on them but we're not all rich rockstars so really you should just settle with a 5 piece kit with a double kick drum pedal for now. I've already said this. A lot of people use these pedals not to be cheap but because they're easier to set up and transport.

Meh, you're probably right. I'm going to be perfectly honest, what you said is completely true about me wanting to be a rockstar :P. When I'm older I'll probably settle for a 4 piece kit, but I'm 14, and having this many drums is just kind of a cool concept. Not only do you get infinite setup possibilities, but you can always size it down, and with the double bass kit with 6 toms, 2 snares, and 2 bass drums, you can make two 5 piece kits out of it! Great for jamming with friends, or simply downsizing to work on technique.

However, I will definitely take yours and wloeb's suggestions into consideration!

Thanks,

Jon

[CaptainSticks]

You should consider a smaller, better sounding kit, with the money your putting in. I used to play a kit with 2 bass,3 tom, 2 floor tom, 1 snare, etc. but as time went by i got REALLY annoyed by it and eventually I shaved off drum by drum. After 3 or 4 years I used from 1 to 2 toms, 1 bass, 1 to 2 floor depending on the situation. I mean big kits are fun, but in the end are a pain to transport and set up.I don't think I'm going to go back at all, unless something serious pops up, which i doubt will happen. I'm sure if you look at smaller kits, you could find some killer deals on.

[TheIronCobr4]

Age doesn't seem like a good enough excuse, especially when you understand that its probably not the best idea. I suggest single bass drum with double pedal, three toms up top, one snare, and one or two floors. Thats plenty in my opinion. That or buy a pro level 5 piece kit and add a tom every year or something. You're just jumping way in over your head.

[TenPastTen]

Oh, and as for WHEN, it really depends on when I have saved up enough money.

Meh, you're probably right. I'm going to be perfectly honest, what you said is completely true about me wanting to be a rockstar :P. When I'm older I'll probably settle for a 4 piece kit, but I'm 14, and having this many drums is just kind of a cool concept. Not only do you get infinite setup possibilities, but you can always size it down, and with the double bass kit with 6 toms, 2 snares, and 2 bass drums, you can make two 5 piece kits out of it! Great for jamming with friends, or simply downsizing to work on technique.

However, I will definitely take yours and wloeb's suggestions into consideration!

Thanks,

Jon


To be succint, you can get a great 4 to 5 piece kit now with pro gear and pro cymbals and do it for $3K. Eventuall, you can expand your kit when you have more money to whatever size kit you want.

The plan you seem to be on, is to get a BIG set of intermediate drums and some pro gear and such.You'll have to spend your future budget on upgrading drums rather than adding to your already great gear.

Good luck.

[eddiehimself]

Age doesn't seem like a good enough excuse, especially when you understand that its probably not the best idea. I suggest single bass drum with double pedal, three toms up top, one snare, and one or two floors. Thats plenty in my opinion. That or buy a pro level 5 piece kit and add a tom every year or something. You're just jumping way in over your head.

This is my point too. You don't have to be a teenager to have a big kit. Look at someone like diosdude, he has an absolutely massive kit! In fact if anything if you're still into heavy music at an older age if you get a decent job you're gonna have loads of money for drums. Now in 20 years time do you want to be telling people "oh yeah my first kit was sh+t, huge but sh+t." Or do you want to say "i still have my first kit, mind you i've added a few drums onto it since then..." You'll have plenty of time in your life after university to get a huge kit but if you skimp now you'll only regret it later.

[jondrumming]

Ok guys, here's the deal. I've decided that you guys are right, and for an initial purchase I shouldn't start out with 2 bass drums, 7 toms, whatever. I am now leaning towards the single bass drum kind of kit, with 4-5 toms. ADVICE NEEDED: Do any of you know anything about these kits:

-PDP Platinum Finishply 7-Piece
-Pearl Masters Custom 7-Piece
-Gretsch Renown Purewood Bubinga 6-Piece (someone already suggested these, sorry for not thanking you before for pointing these out)

Do you think it's a big step up from the Superstars, or barely any?

I actually have no idea, I've never really l never really took a close look at really high-end drums. And they may not be the BEST that each brand has to offer, but are they close?

EDIT: Oh yeah, double bass drum pedal recommendations: would you guys recommend the Axis A Longboards, Trick Dominator, PDP B.O.A., or anything else you guys have had good experiences with?

[CaptainSticks]

if you can, i'd suggest trying to get up to your local shop and trying the kits their. you shouldn't really but a high-end kit based on what we say because your ideal sound might be different. same with the pedals.

[jondrumming]

Yeah, I was thinking of doing that, but if they don't have any of these kits set up, then what? Should I ask them to set up a few of the drums?

[eddiehimself]

Yeah, I was thinking of doing that, but if they don't have any of these kits set up, then what? Should I ask them to set up a few of the drums?

yes, after all if you're buying an expensive kit from them it shouldn't be too much to ask.

[genericdrummingusername]

Well, I still wanna hear about the BOA...and the Plats. GO PDP!

[jondrumming]

yes, after all if you're buying an expensive kit from them it shouldn't be too much to ask.

Good point, I'll be sure to do that.


Anyway, if it were up to any of you, which of the kits would you prefer? The Gretsch Renowns, Pearl Masters Custom MCX or Pacific Platinum Series?

I find myself kinda leaning towards PDP again, maybe Pearl...?

[jondrumming]

Sorry I forgot to ask, are there any other kits that I haven't looked at that are about the same price and size? Perhaps something from Tama?

[eddiehimself]

Good point, I'll be sure to do that.


Anyway, if it were up to any of you, which of the kits would you prefer? The Gretsch Renowns, Pearl Masters Custom MCX or Pacific Platinum Series?

I find myself kinda leaning towards PDP again, maybe Pearl...?



Okay if i had the choice, i would definetly NOT go for PDP. Personally it'd be the pearl but i know a lot of people on here swear by the gretsch reknowns.

As for other kit reccomendations, look at tama starclassic performers.

[jondrumming]

Ok, guys, here's the deal. I just stumbled across the Gretsch Catalina 6-Piece Maple Limited Edition Kit, for $500! This might be a stupid question, but how do these match up to the Renowns, or any other kits mentioned? Because them being only $500 will bring them to me MUCH faster, and I've been hearing GREAT things about them...

Input?

[pearlygates]

Ok, guys, here's the deal. I just stumbled across the Gretsch Catalina 6-Piece Maple Limited Edition Kit, for $500! This might be a stupid question, but how do these match up to the Renowns, or any other kits mentioned? Because them being only $500 will bring them to me MUCH faster, and I've been hearing GREAT things about them...

Input?
I own a Cat Maple kit. I will have to say that it is one of the best sounding kits you will find

for such a small cash outlay. I am a seasoned player and play in a hard hitting rock/blues

band. Let me tell you that with the right tuning and heads, the Gretsch Catalina Maples

sound like professional level drums. This series of drums didn't enjoy such great success

by just being mediocre. It truly is the best bang for the buck out there.


Comparing them to the Renoun maple..well there are some differences. The Renouns are

marketed and well recieved as a professional level kit while the Catalina Maple is in the

semi pro, working drummers kit.

The main difference is the grade of maple used in the shell construction;

Catalina Maple = Asian Maple / Renoun = American rock maple (denser)

Both kits are manufactured in the Gretsch factorys in Taiwan and China where the quality

is high but production costs are low.

Another difference in the shells are the 30 degree edges cut on the Renouns (warmer

and rounder tone) and the Catalinas with a 45 degree bearing edge for a sharper attack.

Renouns also have a silver sealer (painted) shell interior. Catalinas have natural unfinished

interiors. The hoops on the Renouns are solid die-casts (super stiff) and the Catalinas are

fitted with 2.5mm tri flange ( ridgidity but with some flex) I actually prefer the 2.5mm triple

flange hoops to the die cast for the toms as I think that the die casts can actually rob a

drum of some of its resonance.

Gretsch has got it going on with their offshore instruments! The Renouns are fabulous

sounding kits. But my choice was the Catalina Maples for the outstanding build quality,

sound to dollar ratio. Either kit is a great choice! The Cat Maples could easily be used in a

pro setting. I am playing semi pro now and I love this kit!!! GRETSCH for the WIN!!!

[Disco Stu]

Thought I'd toss my hat into this conversation. First off, I'm very glad you decided to go with the A Customs over the B8's. I will add that I think Iron Cobra pedals are good values and great workhorses. But the best thing you can do is go to the music store and try as many pedals as you can for as long as necessary.

Now onto the drums. I'm glad you are considering scaling down in number, especially if you are considering forming a band and gigging anytime soon. Carting around and setting up a gigantic kit will get old real soon, and many venues won't have enough stage space for a large kit anyway. And sometimes when you're on a multi-band gig, you have to setup or break down your drums quickly. Much easier to do with a smaller kit. Also, consider the additional costs that will mount if you do start gigging. You'll want good bags/cases to transport all your gear, and that can get pricey. You may want to buy a set of microphones for the kit, especially if you plan on doing any recording. That can get pricey too, especially with a large kit. My last drum related purchase was a set of quality gig bags, a set of heads, and a bundle of sticks. It cost me almost $400, and I have a 4-piece kit!

I will ditto on the importance of a good snare. It's really the primary focus of the kit, so you want it to be top notch. For me, as long as I have a great sounding snare and set of cymbals, that goes a long, long way. Which brings me to my next point, in which I will detract from other points made thus far.

I can definitely see the value in getting a high end kit. Of all the kits you listed so far, I was most impressed with the Pearl Masters. You just can't go wrong there. The only thing that gives me pause is how you will use them. Again, if you are planning on forming a band and gigging, a nice, high end kit can be a hindrance. There are some venues (mainly bars) I would never bring a high end kit to. There's too much of a chance of them getting damaged or even stolen. Plus, over time, constantly transporting drums leads to wear and tear, especially drums with lacquer finishes. Again, I have an aversion to doing this with a high end kit. So, if you see gigging in your future, I wouldn't be opposed to quality cymbals, quality snare, and mid-level drums. Some of the mid-level kits sound pretty darn good anyway (I've heard good things about Mapex M-Birch and Sonor 3007). So, an example kit would be something like a 5/6-piece Sonor 3007, Ludwig Supraphonic snare, and A Custom cymbals. Personally, I think this is the most versatile arrangement. The other option is to get two kits: One quality kit for keeping at home/recording/special gigs, and one cheapo kit for gigging. One more thing I will add is buying used quality gear is a great way to go, but it does take a lot of effort to find the right kit. I went with used gear, and ended up with a pretty nice kit for a reasonable amount of money.

Finally, a comment on the car thing. The only necessity I can see is if you do start gigging, you will need something to transport your drums in. So, unless you can borrow someone's vehicle, no car could be a problem. Otherwise, I am all for living a car-free existence.