Remo or Evans?

[remoking]

Remo coated Emporers, or Evans coated G2's? Which would be the better heads for general playing? How do these heads compare?

[drums32]

i never used them but i heard they are pretty much the same, im an evans guy and after im done using my ec2 clears im going to try coated g2s. Also remos coating comes off quicker than evans, i say go with evans

[jcmuse2089]

Definitely Evans. I have the coated g2's on snare and toms. They're great for general playing.

[nacdrummer3]

I run both on two different kits. For my kit at home im usuing pinstripe ebonys for everything which sound amazing but on my kit at the jam space i use evans ec2's for the toms. I use remo for my snare though. A control sound remo. I have actually heard that remo gets the first pick of the mylar from the number 1 manufacturer of it and then everybody else gets the less quality mylar. So remo heads last longer and die out gradually while evans die out quicker and die out right away instead of gradually. Thats just a rumour i heard. I like usuing both just depends on the music im playing. Evans for metal and remo for geeral playing for me

[Clayton_C]

Evans. I had been playing Remo Ambassadors, never moving to try anything else out. Then I recently purchased a Genera HD for my snare batter head. The difference was phenomenal, a much more dry, cutting sound. So I've decided to go the full nine yards: buy Evans for all the batter and resos on my whole kit. It will be pricey, but worth it.

I play mostly jazz, but also plenty of funk, hip rock, and just about everything that doesn't scream for double bass.

[drumtechdad]

Neither is better. They sound different.

Why not buy one of each for just one tom, say a 12"? Try them out one after the other and you'll get a pretty good idea of what a full kit of them will sound like.

[KarlCrafton]

Neither is better. They sound different.

Why not buy one of each for just one tom, say a 12"? Try them out one after the other and you'll get a pretty good idea of what a full kit of them will sound like.

I agree with DTD.
Try one of each brand, and see what you like.
Both brands are good for general playing.
The film used by each company is different and has a different sound.

Also, Remo's Coated Ambassador heads use a White film as the base, which sounds totally different than a clear film with coating on it.

All Evans heads use a clear film as the base, and Remo's Emperors have a clear film as a base for the Coated version.

As far as the coating issue, I have only had 3 heads in my whole time of playing (since 1975) where the coating of a Remo head flaked off, and didn't wear off, and that was on heads where the coating was applied to a TOP dot head.

I'm not saying Remo coating doesn't flake off on people, but I haven't experienced it on the heads I've gotten, and I've used coated heads 99% exclusively for the last at least 15 years.

Maybe I'm just lucky with the Remo's, but the coating on Evans heads is really nice too.

[zambizzi]

If you want 2-ply coated heads, G2's are much better in my opinion. G2's over G1's are great on toms. Coated emperors just sound like crap...flat, dry, dead. However, I like coated ambassadors better than anything out there...I use them on my toms and snare.

[Ainulindale]

gentlemen, i am most impressed - this is the one subject that almost always get ugly ;-)
not a single incedent of eye gouging, biting or low blows yet - it must be Christmas!
good drumming!
:-D

[Cymbalrider]

Personally, I like the feel and sound of Remo heads, but have seen and owned too many defective ones as well. I've bought over 30 Evans heads and had no technical problems, although I've heads where I didn't like their sound. Evans heads have a very different feel than Remos. Strictly comparing G1 Coated vs Coated Ambassador the Evans has a stiffer, more muted feel as a result of the different films and different coatings. I have yet to see Evans coating wear out at all, it just goes smooth. Remo heads are the only ones I've seen that start turning black and the coating wearing away. I'm eager to try Aquarian again, because the first time I tried them the coating sort of exploded off the heads. I had single ply coated heads and within about a week the coating starting flying off. Then I heard they had problems with the new factory and quality control, but I'm sure this has been fixed by now. My next head purchase will be Aquarian, because I'm tired of the modern, flat, plastic sound of Evans heads but am afraid to gamble with Remo heads again.

[Doug Masters]

I have figured out the secret. For single ply...Remo. Doubly ply...Evans. I either go coated ambassadors or clear G2s depending on the situation. This works for me these days.

[veggo32]

IMO, this whole debate re: coated Amb's, whether the coating comes off or not depends on your technique. If you strike the drum head and your technique is poor in other words if you abuse the drum head (ie of this is when your body is absorbing the stroke as opposed to your drumstick) then the Remo coating will flake off some times or eventually.
This is due to the construction of the head and the way the coating is placed on it at the factory. This is the tradeoff with the ambassador, maybe not as long a lifespan as the G1 but sound wise it is superior.

Conversely the G1 coated will take any amount of pounding because its construction differs (I believe the coating process is different but I'm not sure of the technical aspects maybe someone can enlighten us).. Personally, I feel that the coated ambassador is far superior to the coated G1. in every way the g1 sounds dead to me compared to the remo. Ambassador tuning options are far greater, the tone, and overall performance of the drum head is by far superior to the G1. Its exactly what one should expect from a high quality drum head.

Basically, this is why there is always two sides to the story, some claim that they have never in their life had a problem (like myself) with remo coated ambassadors and some claim the opposite. We bash the company for making poor heads when we are the culprits.
I'm not trying to start a remo vs. evans war, I'm just stating my opinion based on my experience with both of these drum heads. I am not affilited with either company in any way but I have been putting heads on drums and playing them for over 20 years.

My $.02

[Funky Crêpe]

does anyone know the difference between remo ambassadors and evans j1's??
i really want to know, i have ambassadors...but i just dont like the sound...its bright, but sounds too choked...
cheers

[trkdrmr]

does anyone know the difference between remo ambassadors and evans j1's??
i really want to know, i have ambassadors...but i just dont like the sound...its bright, but sounds too choked...
cheers

Ambassadors sound choked????

[ugotpwnd]

dude remo coated ambassadors sound awesome. good heads to get.

[wy yung]

It's all a matter of opinion. Best to try both. For me I do not like Evans. If you hold an Evans head by its rim with both hands you can twist it easily. This makes me suspect the tuning of such a head. Remos do not bend due to the metal rim.

[TheArchitect]

IMO, this whole debate re: coated Amb's, whether the coating comes off or not depends on your technique. If you strike the drum head and your technique is poor in other words if you abuse the drum head (ie of this is when your body is absorbing the stroke as opposed to your drumstick) then the Remo coating will flake off some times or eventually.


This is total nonsense

[Daphfz]

This is total nonsense

I agree!!! Technique has no involvement in the coating flaking off or not.

[Funky Crêpe]

Ambassadors sound choked????

i dont know....the sound is not that warm....i know....that might sound kind of weird!

[trkdrmr]

i dont know....the sound is not that warm....i know....that might sound kind of weird!

Put it this way: if you get a choked sound from a single ply head, going to anything else will be even more choked.

The clear ambassador/g1/classic clear are the most open drumheads you can get.

[veggo32]

This is total nonsense

Are you in denial?

Anyone can criticize a post (or part of) by throwing one liners and then run off.
Why do you disagree with what I wrote?
Can you tell me why in 20 years of using remo coated heads not once has the coating flaked on me? Am I that lucky?
So if it doesn't have anything to do with how you strike the head, can you enlighten us as to why the coating flakes off?

I'll bet you anything that you will find a correlation b/w those who break drumsticks due to poor technique and those who have a "bad experience" with remo coated heads.
its the same people. I'm absolutely convinced about this.

[TheArchitect]

Are you in denial?

Anyone can criticize a post (or part of) by throwing one liners and then run off.
Why do you disagree with what I wrote?
Can you tell me why in 20 years of using remo coated heads not once has the coating flaked on me? Am I that lucky?
So if it doesn't have anything to do with how you strike the head, can you enlighten us as to why the coating flakes off?

I'll bet you anything that you will find a correlation b/w those who break drumsticks due to poor technique and those who have a "bad experience" with remo coated heads.
its the same people. I'm absolutely convinced about this.

No, but you appear to be quite full of yourself and your own greatness

You can make up theories till your blue in the face. Without empirical evidence that's all it is.

Your explanation is simply not plausible. If technique is the problem why don't the Evans heads flake off as well? Clearly the issue lies somewhere else.

[veggo32]

I'll overlook the "full of yourself" comment because in fact I am the exact opposite of that.
Furthermore, the Evans coating process is entirely different from the remo coating process. If you made the effort to look into that you would not be posting with such arrogance.

[TheArchitect]

I'll overlook the "full of yourself" comment because in fact I am the exact opposite of that.
Furthermore, the Evans coating process is entirely different from the remo coating process. If you made the effort to look into that you would not be posting with such arrogance.

Yes i know all about the different methods. That entirely different process couldn't be the cause? Has to be technique? Arrogant? Check yourself dude. If you have to tell me how humble you are its probably not the case

[veggo32]

So, do you expect someone to just say nothing when they are slandered with remarks like "your full of yourself" etc. So, defending my argument shows that I'm exactly that?
Ok you are right and I'm full of myself, lets just leave it at that then. I'll limit my posts from now on.

[trkdrmr]

So, do you expect someone to just say nothing when they are slandered with remarks like "your full of yourself" etc. So, defending my argument shows that I'm exactly that?
Ok you are right and I'm full of myself, lets just leave it at that then. I'll limit my posts from now on.

Actually what he did was an unacceptable personal attack. He should be discussing the topic, not insulting you.

[TheArchitect]

Actually what he did was an unacceptable personal attack. He should be discussing the topic, not insulting you.

Says the man leading by example.......

[veggo32]

Actually what he did was an unacceptable personal attack. He should be discussing the topic, not insulting you.


Maybe our friend is just having a bad day and feels the need to vent. It's ok we all have bad days.

[Ainulindale]

Actually what he did was an unacceptable personal attack. He should be discussing the topic, not insulting you.

yes, quite so...

so much for Christmas...

[veggo32]

Actually what he did was an unacceptable personal attack. He should be discussing the topic, not insulting you.

I think leading by example is referring to the fact that you wrote something off topic too, not that you personally attacked anyone in the past. You don't have to defend yourself
trkdrmr I've read some of your posts, they are helpful and courteous.

[trkdrmr]

I think leading by example is referring to the fact that you wrote something off topic too, not that you personally attacked anyone in the past. You don't have to defend yourself
trkdrmr I've read some of your posts, they are helpful and courteous. This guy is just being a pest.

Ok...I accept that I have taken a thread or two off center. I hope it has given people an alternative to discuss. Again... Back to the topic.

[remoking]

Lol, thanks for all the "Remo or evans" advice guys..........

[drumac]

IMO the decision really isn't the drummer's, it is the drum's. I have a few different sets of drums and snares and some drums just like a coated ambassador more than a G2. I use G2's on my main live kits, but my old Gretsch kit loves ambassadors. I also have a World Max snare drum that is weak and choked sounding with a G2, but is bright and responsive with the ambassador on it. Anybody else feel this way about certain drums? I wish I didn't, because the G2's last me much longer.

[TheArchitect]

I think leading by example is referring to the fact that you wrote something off topic too, not that you personally attacked anyone in the past. You don't have to defend yourself
trkdrmr I've read some of your posts, they are helpful and courteous. This guy is just being a pest.

A) You are correct about the off topic post
B) You stated opinion as fact regarding technique causing the coating issues. If calling BS on that and not accepting your word as gospel makes me a "pest" then so be it. Your buddy seems to take umbrage with that as well.

I was having a bad day and I thought your cutting me some slack was legitimate. I see now it wasn't

[veggo32]

A) You are correct about the off topic post
B) You stated opinion as fact regarding technique causing the coating issues. If calling BS on that and not accepting your word as gospel makes me a "pest" then so be it. Your buddy seems to take umbrage with that as well.

I was having a bad day and I thought your cutting me some slack was legitimate. I see now it wasn't


You were not called a pest because you contested what I wrote regarding coating etc.
It was how you contested it, drive-by posts insulting forum members is not the proper way to go about it. However, I will retract my comment for the greater good since you conceded now that you were having a bad day.



drumac.

I agree with you on this, I have a Yamaha beechwood kit and currrently have a remo coated ambassador on my 10" tom. I tried a clear emperor on it once just to see the difference and I didn't like it at all, it did not sound good, I would have to tune it up pretty high to get a decent sound. Where as the coated amb sounded great low, med-low, med, med-high.
This does not apply to my 12 14" toms, they were fine with clear emp's. Right now, I have remo coated amb on my 10" and 14" snare (would never compromise this) remo coated emperor on my 12" and 14" tom. But I'm sure that coated amb on my 12 and 14 would sound great too but I'm really happy with the coated emps especially on the 12.

[fusssion]

He asked about coated Emperors ...

If that's the case .....

Aquarian Super 2 coated....a thin 2 ply head with a great coating!