Dave Weckl

[radeq]

ok this one is my second favourite drummer, you like him?

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Dave_Weckl.html

[DR.WHOO]

ok this one is my second favourite drummer, you like him?

Like him but not too much.Very hard technique but
dunno why ,,think i like other kind of feelings

T

[Dr Drums]

he's like the ideal drummer and has it all by the book, and that's exectly his problem.
He doesnt have something really speacial, he's groove and feel are very mainstream, he's so unoriginal. Yet, no doubt he's a hell of a drummer and between the 10th best drummers 2day. At least.

[DR.WHOO]

he's like the ideal drummer and has it all by the book, and that's exectly his problem.
He doesnt have something really speacial, he's groove and feel are very mainstream, he's so unoriginal. Yet, no doubt he's a hell of a drummer and between the 10th best drummers 2day. At least.

u daid it man

not excly as i wanted to, but at least very near

T

[Anchein Vouivra]

I'm not really in, and don't dig this "Weckle-Colaiuta-Gadd-Chambers-Steve Smith..." drumming pantheon. They're are too glorified and used by their endorsements as THE DRUM REFERENCE. Too technical and they are all playing fusion which make feel each one sound more and more similar. But it's like always very personal, it's just music that doesn't move me (maybe at the exception of Gadd).

[radeq]

and which drummers do you like guys?

[Anchein Vouivra]

Simply not the best drummers from certain point of views. If you want to know go and check the thread "Who is you favourite drummer".

[Raymond Bloom]

I bet that Dave is almost a dream to work with (refering to non drummers - musicians) He is no doubt an awsome drummer with a steady time, great latin kind of feal, superb chops and nowadays just frigging sick technique!

I am really happy that Dave will be in Latvia as a special guest in our jazz festival, I will add some coments about that after seeing him, it deffinetely will give me ''a hit'' to practice more and more.

[Elemental Nausea]

I very much agree with jammaster, weckel is very steady, universally talented, has nice ideas and has a good taste for latin stuff....I also learned a lot from his dvd , how to hold the sticks "correctly" in the first place

[Raymond Bloom]

Yeah, his DVD contains some really usefull info, I have learned a lot from that, I allways try to recomend it!

[Stu_Strib]

I'm not really in, and don't dig this "Weckle-Colaiuta-Gadd-Chambers-Steve Smith..." drumming pantheon. They're are too glorified and used by their endorsements as THE DRUM REFERENCE. Too technical and they are all playing fusion which make feel each one sound more and more similar. But it's like always very personal, it's just music that doesn't move me (maybe at the exception of Gadd).

The pantheon you don't get consists of some of the best drummers alive, not based only on their very good technical playing, but for their high demand to play for anyone.

No punk rocker drummer can play these guys' parts, but all these guys can play punk rock. Its really that easy.

If you have the highest technical skills possible, and can play anything, that makes you good.

Just look at Vinny Colaiuta and Steve Gadd's discography for starters.

Just watch Steve Smith, for crying out loud. If you can't see why he is on top of the drumming world, then I can't really say anything more about it.

Weckl is a matter of taste, but there is no denying his ability. And his drum sound is one of the best recorded.

[Anchein Vouivra]

No punk rocker drummer can play these guys' parts, but all these guys can play punk rock. Its really that easy.

I believe Dave Dicenso could be one of the only punk rock drummer..............just teasing, but he's emerged from the punk scene and he's sooooooooo good and versatile in many styles, but I won't cut the Dave Weckl thread on him.

[Stu_Strib]

I believe Dave Dicenso could be one of the only punk rock drummer..............just teasing, but he's emerged from the punk scene and he's sooooooooo good and versatile in many styles, but I won't cut the Dave Weckl thread on him.

I've heard his name. I'll have to check him out.

[Pedro]

I'm not really in, and don't dig this "Weckle-Colaiuta-Gadd-Chambers-Steve Smith..." drumming pantheon. They're are too glorified and used by their endorsements as THE DRUM REFERENCE. Too technical and they are all playing fusion which make feel each one sound more and more similar. But it's like always very personal, it's just music that doesn't move me (maybe at the exception of Gadd).

I must agree with you speakig of Steve Smith. He's a hell of a drummer but his band Vital Information really sucks. Totally non-musical. But Colaiuta is a differet thing. for e.g. he recorded Megadeth new album and he played with Sting: and there he proves hes incredible talent and good choice of music.
Weckl and Smith are a bit "too-fusion" and tyhe music really doesn't make it for me eather.
But Colaiuta and certainly Steve Gadd played with a lot of good and different music, that isn't fusion.
One of the few crazy drummers who makes good music is also Trilok Gurtu.

But waching many others is like going to the circus: just waching the drummer doeing crazy stunts and incredible things, without really liking the music :-))

[jamsjr44]

Vital Information does not suck, I guess you just don't like the music they play. But Barret Browne on bass is a highly regarded bassist. he used to record with Billy Cobham and alot of other great drummers.

[Pedro]

Vital Information does not suck, I guess you just don't like the music they play. But Barret Browne on bass is a highly regarded bassist. he used to record with Billy Cobham and alot of other great drummers.

I can understand that Browne and Frank Gambale are highly regarded musicians. But I believe there is one reason for it: they all have a unbelieveble technique. But that doesn't say a thing about the musicality. For me Frank Gambale is a "note-screwer": he can play a hundred notes a minute (thats why he's so appreciated), but without any musicality or good harmony.
I'm a trained listener, and I can appreciate music that I don't like, if I notice good harmonical or original things in the music. But this I miss in Vital Information.

And all those big musicians play together, it's a bit of an orgy. But that doesn't mean they are all able to make good music.

Ok, I don't know about Baron Browne, but what I heard of Frank Gambale, I only can say that he's one of te less musical professional guitar players I've ever heard.

Sorry for the hard comment, but I was really really dissepointed. I bet this guys also have good music, or maybe I heard the wrong stuff. It's all possible.

[LiquidSoul546]

he's like the ideal drummer and has it all by the book, and that's exectly his problem.
He doesnt have something really speacial, he's groove and feel are very mainstream, he's so unoriginal. Yet, no doubt he's a hell of a drummer and between the 10th best drummers 2day. At least.

He's mainstream?!?! you have got to be kidding me. showme another drummer anything close to dave. and if you haven't checked out his band's cd (live and very plugged in) and then tell me that's "mainstream" i don't hear any other drummers with dave's style, or feel. he plays such odd timings, and has such a sweet style playin his bongo's and djemba dealy. i dunno, but this quote is way off dave, you must be talking about a different drummer.

[finnhiggins]

ok this one is my second favourite drummer, you like him?

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Dave_Weckl.html

On the one hand, I have the most immense respect for Weckl's hard work and dedication to the instrument. He's done more with it than any of us will in our lives, and he's got stylistic versitility to kill for.

On the other hand, I saw him play in London with his band and I've never been so bored at a live gig in my life. Easily the worst "drum" gig I've ever seen. It's sort of like watching a well-programmed sequencer do its thing. Impressive for a while, but after a while it just becomes a constant barrage totally lacking in tension and release. And since he now plays pretty much exclusively fusion I have to sit there listening to music that sounds like it belongs in a lift or a porn movie in order to watch him do his thing.

Stunning, but simultaneously underwhelming. How do you communicate that? I find it's kind of like the opposite of inspiration. Watching Dave Weckl strips me of my motivation to practice, very rapidly. Which is odd, considering almost every other drummer I see inspires me in some way or another.

[Drummer_Boy]

I love Dave Weckl. He is one hell of a drummer. He's great technically. Altho, I find that he should probably do some other style..I personally don't like Fusion, and for all you know you could be hearing Dave Weckl in the elevator. He should do something to show off his talent..but if Fusion is his gig, so be it. He's still great. Anyways, he is definately one of the greatest drummers ever, and he's amazing. >_<

[Dr Drums]

He's mainstream?!?! you have got to be kidding me. showme another drummer anything close to dave. and if you haven't checked out his band's cd (live and very plugged in) and then tell me that's "mainstream" i don't hear any other drummers with dave's style, or feel. he plays such odd timings, and has such a sweet style playin his bongo's and djemba dealy. i dunno, but this quote is way off dave, you must be talking about a different drummer.

Come on i'm not talking about his band's style... I'm talking about his sound & solos style.
He has like the "perfect" sound and everything sounds just the way it should.. Nothing special..And his solos are to very predictible. Man it's just a fact no doubt about.

[Stu_Strib]

Vital Information does not suck, I guess you just don't like the music they play. But Barret Browne on bass is a highly regarded bassist. he used to record with Billy Cobham and alot of other great drummers.

Barret Brown and Frank Gimbale are too of the best at their trade. Add Steve Smith and you've got a hell of a band. (I don't know who plays keys, but he looks familiar).

So by 'sucks' I think he means "I don't like".

Stu

[Stu_Strib]

Come on i'm not talking about his band's style... I'm talking about his sound & solos style.
He has like the "perfect" sound and everything sounds just the way it should.. Nothing special..And his solos are to very predictible. Man it's just a fact no doubt about.

So are you saying to be a special drummer you should have imperfect sound and play unpredictably?

If Weckl is so predictable, then why can't most of us play like him? (ok, so MD can, but he's an exception, hehe)

[mikkeydee]

Well, I think dave weckl has the most musical phrasing on the planet.

I believe all of u see the weckl-gadd-colaiuta trading 4 videos.

it is obvious that steve gadd is the most "uniformed marching" style, most "predictable". U can easily memorize and hum out what gadd plays.

Vinnie colaiuta in between, more fluid than gadd, but still remains a bit of a "roll down the toms and a crash" feel when he solos.

But with dave weckl, it's all groupings of notes, displacements, when u hear at the first time u can even think of it kinda like a "free solo", but it just stays in the beat.

Well, Dave is not only about this video, through all things i ve witnessed him do, his phrasing "moving a tune without disturbing the melody" is the most advanced!

[LiquidSoul546]

finhiggins
On the other hand, I saw him play in London with his band and I've never been so bored at a live gig in my life. Easily the worst "drum" gig I've ever seen. It's sort of like watching a well-programmed sequencer do its thing. Impressive for a while, but after a while it just becomes a constant barrage totally lacking in tension and release. And since he now plays pretty much exclusively fusion I have to sit there listening to music that sounds like it belongs in a lift or a porn movie in order to watch him do his thing.

Stunning, but simultaneously underwhelming. How do you communicate that? I find it's kind of like the opposite of inspiration. Watching Dave Weckl strips me of my motivation to practice, very rapidly. Which is odd, considering almost every other drummer I see inspires me in some way or another.[/QUOTE]
Well i can understand being bored with him. I don't though, but i can see where you're comin from. But I just can't see him being very predictable. His band is like a modern orchestra, i love it. The music is so well thought and well laid out. I love sittin back and watchin his performance at the drummers collective. But we both have our opinions.
peace

[Henry II]

Well, I think dave weckl has the most musical phrasing on the planet. . . .

I couldn't disagree more! He plays too many notes, and not enough music. He repeats the same phrasings over and over, and leaves little breathing room for contrast. Weckl is a great drum technician, but he may be the least musical drummer I've ever heard. Either that, or his music is so far over my head, I just can't appreciate it. NAAAAH!!!

[Henry II]

finhiggins . . . Stunning, but simultaneously underwhelming. How do you communicate that? I find it's kind of like the opposite of inspiration. Watching Dave Weckl strips me of my motivation to practice, very rapidly. . . .

LMAO. I knew there was something strange about Weckl, and I couldn't put my finger on it.

[Scottylawton]

Come on people...as if Dave Weckle is predictable and/or boring for one who are you comparing him with? Weckle is so damn tight in everything he plays personally i think Coluita, chambers and Donati are better but he is way better than some other drummers that are on Drummerworld, there are some really dodgy drummers that are well known.

[finnhiggins]

Come on people...as if Dave Weckle is predictable and/or boring for one who are you comparing him with? Weckle is so damn tight in everything he plays personally i think Coluita, chambers and Donati are better but he is way better than some other drummers that are on Drummerworld, there are some really dodgy drummers that are well known.

I found him predictable and boring not in comparison to other drummers (that's just a pissing contest that nobody is ever going to win, since it's so subjective) but in comparison with himself. Huh? Yeah, I know it sounds silly. But my complaint with seeing him and his band was really that the impression I took away was of calm, collected, constant and largely uninteresting chops. There was no "high point", no real impression that he was making any conscious decisions to structure what he has under his control. Watching Weckl is just that - a constant stream of Weckl.

For a great demo of what I'm talking about here, check out Vinnie on "Ten Summoner's Tales" by Sting. He keeps his blazing chops and fills up his sleeves most of the time, just plays interesting grooving stuff everywhere. Then, when he actually uses the blazing stuff he has available it has about ninety times more impact than if he just kept doing it constantly. Weckl bores me because he never paces himself well. There's nothing wrong with his tone, his groove, timing or technique. I just find him a bit on the tedious side as a musician, which is probably why his music has few fans beyond the drum community.

[Ryan_Cox]

Appreciating all of the sentiments so far, I've got to say that Weckl is more or less everything I want to be as a drummer, a professional musician and as a musical mind in general. I've been listening to him for almost 15 years now, and even in spite of all of the excellent drummers and drumming that I've heard, his is still my favorite by leaps and bounds.

I saw him play live in 1998 and was absolutely blown away. He seemed to have an endless bag of tricks, was playing some of the most demanding, clever drum parts I've ever heard and never hit a rim once. In fact, it's almost hard to appreciate other drummers because Weckl's playing, in my mind, sets the bar so high.

My $.02

[Dr Drums]

I couldn't disagree more! He plays too many notes, and not enough music. He repeats the same phrasings over and over, and leaves little breathing room for contrast. Weckl is a great drum technician, but he may be the least musical drummer I've ever heard. Either that, or his music is so far over my head, I just can't appreciate it. NAAAAH!!!
YA MAN! I couldn't agree more, and for those who didn't get my point, it's just it.

[radeq]

Dave Weckl had concert just a few days ago, in our capital city - Bratislava, I've been there, and I couldn't believe what I saw! first, he had a workshop - talking about his aproach...he showed one exercise, that sounded like a great drummer solo - and that was only a freakin' exercise!!!! after that, he played with his band, songs from the very live and plugged in album, and from their last album, it was great, amazing awesome, perfect, I love their music, and they now each other so well, it's just a great great band :) it was the best concert I've ever seen !@!
God bless

r

[darkcherryfade]

I found him predictable and boring not in comparison to other drummers (that's just a pissing contest that nobody is ever going to win, since it's so subjective) but in comparison with himself. Huh? Yeah, I know it sounds silly. But my complaint with seeing him and his band was really that the impression I took away was of calm, collected, constant and largely uninteresting chops. There was no "high point", no real impression that he was making any conscious decisions to structure what he has under his control. Watching Weckl is just that - a constant stream of Weckl.

For a great demo of what I'm talking about here, check out Vinnie on "Ten Summoner's Tales" by Sting. He keeps his blazing chops and fills up his sleeves most of the time, just plays interesting grooving stuff everywhere. Then, when he actually uses the blazing stuff he has available it has about ninety times more impact than if he just kept doing it constantly. Weckl bores me because he never paces himself well. There's nothing wrong with his tone, his groove, timing or technique. I just find him a bit on the tedious side as a musician, which is probably why his music has few fans beyond the drum community.'


I'm with this guy.

[theduke86]

Yeah, you guys are right. Dave Weckl isn't a good drummer.
He's an unbelievable drummer.
He plays absolutely perfectly. He's got the ideal drum sound (look at all the university kids coming out these days like Weckl), unparalled technique and clarity around the drums. Does he EVER make a mistake? I don't think so. He's managed to develop his own sound and play some very complicated stuff. The time in his solos is perfect. What he plays when he solos always fits the music. It may be complicated but so many people bash drummers who have chops, I don't understand why. The central point is that any one of us would kill to play like Weckl.
That being said, old Weckl leaves me feeling a little cold- maybe too perfect. However, Weckl live is a great experience- he's a drummer that I feel can't get emotive in the studios.

[formerdrummer]

I too have followed Mr. Weckl's career for a number of years and have had the chance to see him live on 2 occasions several years apart. Not only is he an astounding drummer and musician, but his playing clearly improves and evolves. For my money (which admittedly is limited), he is the best drummer alive.

[toteman2]

I couldn't disagree more! He plays too many notes, and not enough music. He repeats the same phrasings over and over, and leaves little breathing room for contrast. Weckl is a great drum technician, but he may be the least musical drummer I've ever heard. Either that, or his music is so far over my head, I just can't appreciate it. NAAAAH!!!


O.K. you are talking about Dave Weckl, right? Thats D-A-V-E W-E-C-K-L...This statement made me question everthing I have ever learned about music, drums, and musicianship...I don't think I've ever heard anything like this...Wait are you sure your talking about Dave Weckl? The least musical drummer you've ever heard? WTF? I just can't understand this...I've always thought of him as one of the most musical drummers in the world...Little breathing room for contrast? O.K. I'm convinced you have weckl and sombodyelse mixed up...

[Dr Drums]

O.K. you are talking about Dave Weckl, right? Thats D-A-V-E W-E-C-K-L...This statement made me question everthing I have ever learned about music, drums, and musicianship...I don't think I've ever heard anything like this...Wait are you sure your talking about Dave Weckl? The least musical drummer you've ever heard? WTF? I just can't understand this...I've always thought of him as one of the most musical drummers in the world...Little breathing room for contrast? O.K. I'm convinced you have weckl and sombodyelse mixed up...

Don't just talk. Ur whole messege was "u sure is weckl? DAVE weckl? bla bla"
Show some thoughtful points and we might be convinced otherwise

[toteman2]

Don't just talk. Ur whole messege was "u sure is weckl? DAVE weckl? bla bla"
Show some thoughtful points and we might be convinced otherwise


well, i really do think he has him mixed up with someone else...Thoughtfull points? I would say go out and buy "Synergy" or "Rhythm of the Soul" and listen to the entire CD's...If your not convinced they are some of the most muscial, expressive, technical, and quality sounding drumming CD's you've ever heard then i don't know whatesle to say...I mean if you can tell Dennis Chamber is without a doubt a fatastic drummer and musician, you should be able to see that in Weckl..I know i can...

[Stu_Strib]

Also, his drum sound is so overlooked. If he couldn't play anything but Boom tap boom tap...and then hit each tom in quarter-note-intervals, I'd buy the albums.

Quite simply put, the best sounding drums ever recorded (thank you Yamaha!)

Stu

[darkcherryfade]

Why hate on Weckl? He has a great mix of technique and chops (neither of which are very far out of range for most good drummers)as well as musicality. I think the only complaint I could make is that sometimes he gets a little boring, but he is the perfect example of a COMPLETE drummer.

[finnhiggins]

well, i really do think he has him mixed up with someone else...Thoughtfull points? I would say go out and buy "Synergy" or "Rhythm of the Soul" and listen to the entire CD's...If your not convinced they are some of the most muscial, expressive, technical, and quality sounding drumming CD's you've ever heard then i don't know whatesle to say...

I agreed with the points that so astounded you, and I not only bought Synergy I also saw the band touring off the back of it. I returned the CD, and I found the gig extremely dull. The fact that beer cost an arm and a leg didn't help either, since I was at music school at the time.

But Stu is right about his drum sound, it's excellent. I guess that's what happens when a drum obsessive also turns into a sound engineering obsessive, which Weckl has - IIRC, he does his own drum mix from his own rig before sending it to the house board.

[jerbear]

Maybe it's just me... but if you co-write, record,edit,mix,produce and market your own cd's of YOUR band AND people buy them, then I quess he can play anything he wants. BTW his new cd "Multiplicity" just came out and he has put some funk into this one. Check it out here. http://www.davewecklnews.com/
People can dislike what thay want... but I choose to listen to 1 of the greats of our time. IMHO Rock on Dave...

[finnhiggins]

Maybe it's just me... but if you co-write, record,edit,mix,produce and market your own cd's of YOUR band AND people buy them, then I quess he can play anything he wants. BTW his new cd "Multiplicity" just came out and he has put some funk into this one. Check it out here. http://www.davewecklnews.com/
People can dislike what thay want... but I choose to listen to 1 of the greats of our time. IMHO Rock on Dave...

Some funk? On a fusion record? Well, strike me dead, I'd never have expected that!

[ChrisD]

I like Dave's drumming alot.Although I couldn't see myself ever playing that kind of music...I love alot of his fills and grooves.

[Stu_Strib]

It seems Lenardo da Vinci wouldn't have been a Dave Weckl fan:

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication

Stu

[Dill X]

He is no doubt an amazing drummer and is a technique master, but he lacks that substance that makes him fall sort. He doesn't have that raw feel that gives you shivers when you hear drummers like Bonham, Rich, Chambers, Williams, etc. play. It's too much technique in a way, and it takes away from his playing in a major way.

[toteman2]

He doesn't have that raw feel that gives you shivers when you hear drummers like Bonham, Rich, Chambers, Williams, etc. play. It's too much technique in a way, and it takes away from his playing in a major way.


I respectfully disagree...Everytime i hear every section of "highlife" i get the shivers from his raw feel...I could go on and on...IMO his technique adds to playing in a major way...So fluid and effortless...

[Raymond Bloom]

Ok, recently I atended Dave Weckl band's concert and Dave's clinics, so here is my review

Clinics were a bit booring :)) Mostly because I own all his videos and I have seen all that over and over. He showed his techniques, the Moeller motion, free stroke etc, played some variations of grooves, showed some polyrhitms and 4 limb independence.

The cocert was just great, I never really get into his stuuf, but I enjoyed every second (and I also was bored a bit :D Ya know, his fusion stuff sometimes isn't to exciting) but hey, there were times when Dave and his band really get some tremendous grooves and solos - Tom Kennedy was just WOW, he played one really insane bass solo!, Gary Meek - just excelent! So enjoyable, Steve Weingart - actually I never liked his sound but he was great, no doubt!

[jamndrummer]

I seen weckl and his band do a clinic then a show in a club in Milwaukee several years ago..............he is an amazing drummer, I think maybe his personality is a perfectionist and that is why he plays like he does..................in any case.......Ill never have his perfect chops.....................................but he does give drumming 100% and thats high in my book.

[stagecustom]

I don't know what many of you all are talking about, but I just got one of his cd's at best buy
Dave Weckl Band (live) , and i only listened to the first cd, and im telling you he is so great.

[Ynnad101]

He is no doubt an amazing drummer and is a technique master, but he lacks that substance that makes him fall sort. He doesn't have that raw feel that gives you shivers when you hear drummers like Bonham, Rich, Chambers, Williams, etc. play. It's too much technique in a way, and it takes away from his playing in a major way.

Have you ppl heard the biginning of "Chicken" in his "live and very plugged in" cd? of course you have... the whole Boom Boom Taa!!! followed by the 5-10 sec solo filled with "raw" energy and then stopping on the hi-hat to anticipate the groove which as soon as he begins to play it, it just sucks you into the song... whew yep that gave me shivers...lol.

[Blue]

Dave does great incredibly sounds out of his drums. He hits them perfectly, and gets the best crack out of his snare drum. He is not very animated, but that is his style. If he was any other way, it wouldn't be him. Does that make sense? He is always SUPER relaxed, and plays everything with confidence and seeming aforethought. I love his sound. The Dave Weckyl Band is great. He pulls some sick solos.

[Scatman]

just got Weckl's back to basics great video

[Scatman]

Check out Smith and Weckl in the new drummers collective dvd it's great

[jamndrummer]

I seen Dave Weckl do a drum clinic and have his band play after the clinic, in Milwaukee a few years ago. He is an amazing drummer. He definetly has his own sound and style. He is a very serious minded performer and takes his craft seriously. That is one reason he has become so good. If you can, see him live, you will be amazed.

[Anduin]

Man, how much would it suck to be Dave, come to this forum, and read all this bile?!

I've got almost all his solo albums and all the stuff he's done with Chick. He's an amazing player. He's a nice, approachable guy. He's friendly and open enough to pass his techniques on to anybody who'll listen (and, of course, pay for the clinic or video).

Whether you like his playing or not is a completely subjective thing. If nothing else, he's inspired thousands of drummers to push that little bit harder in their own playing.

Go Dave!

[ChrisD]

I'm not really in, and don't dig this "Weckle-Colaiuta-Gadd-Chambers-Steve Smith..." drumming pantheon. They're are too glorified and used by their endorsements as THE DRUM REFERENCE. Too technical and they are all playing fusion which make feel each one sound more and more similar. But it's like always very personal, it's just music that doesn't move me (maybe at the exception of Gadd).


I kind of see where your coming from but all of those drummers are or were the top drummers since the 70's.Dave Weckl is not my favourite drummer (he's in my top 10) but I do have to admit that hearing some of the solos he does makes me believe that he is probably the most technically proficient drummer in the world.I have heard others that have come close (not many!!) but I would rank him at the top of my technical drummers list.I still prefer drummers such as Stewart Copeland and Manu Katche over him however.

[Edward]

i listened to one of his cd's and if too old school sounding... i dont like it.... he is also a bad teacher...he jus says a whole lot of nothing and plays for like 5 to 10 mins on his dvds!

[Stu_Strib]

What do you mean he's a bad teacher? Do you mean it was over your head? It would be hard to make an insructional dvd and appease every skill level.

[finnhiggins]

What do you mean he's a bad teacher? Do you mean it was over your head? It would be hard to make an insructional dvd and appease every skill level.

I agree. Particularly if you're talking about his newest technique DVD, which to me is more like a "diary update" on the changes he's been making to his playing in the last decade. Very useful if you know what he's talking about, as he covers and implies a bunch of stuff that's quite insightful.

Example: The section where he talks about double stroke rolls in the right hand. He says, basically, that he shifted to using a rotational movement for doubles after being given an exercise by Freddie Gruber. He doesn't say what that exercise was for, but the implication is that it's a way of switching between german and french grips without sending the stick off on a funny angle. That's useful for a start, I'm working on that now. Then you see how he found the "power" that movement gives on the outward turn and applied that to getting cleaner double strokes. That's also useful, because it gives you an insight into how Weckl approaches analysis of every movement he makes with an eye to learning new, useful techniques.

But I guess if you're just looking for an explaination of how to play the drums from a basic level you'd probably be better off with Tommy Igoe or something of the like. Weckl isn't working on that stuff, so he's not covering that stuff.

[LiquidSoul546]

I am a huge Weckl fan. I just feel his technicality/perfectivness at almost anything drum oriented, scares drummers. I mean if you listen to someone like Tommy Lee and think his drumming is so cool...(haha, i don't like him) then you probably won't find Weckl's drummin so fun. It's not the style where you can listen to it once just to get everything out of it. His musical sence is amazing, and if you say otherwise, pick up mu.tiplicity, or live and very plugged in. The hesitation/sax and drum intro on the first cd of live and very plugged in you can just get a tiny taste of his excellence. To me he is like the Bach of drumming. His whole fusion style is like a very modern classical music approach.
So i geuss what I am trying to say is...please don't bash weckl...
peace

[jamsjr44]

Well I have all 10 of his CD's and four of his 8 DVD's/Video's to say the least I am a big fan. I think the most ridiculous statement anyone says is that he or any drummer IS TOO TECHNICAL? Well isn't drumming all about technique and perfecting it??? If not then why play...

I understand not everyone is into his style of drumming or music but to say he is not creative is crazy. His songs on his CD's are all about being creative really listen to them, alot of stuff his band does they come up with through jam sessions, that's what creativity is all about. But I guess it depends on what each of you define as being creative?


Dave Weckl is without a doubt in my mind one of the top drummers of all time, but he is also a very good at wanting others to get better. Remember when setting out to buy a drum video read it first and make sure it is what you want to learn, and first of all making sure it is something you can learn. Like Marco Minneman I would love to see that video, but to buy it to try to learn his drumming would be a waste of money for me because I'm not that advanced yet. Weckl has videos for beginners and advanced; make sure you are purchasing the correct one for you.

In closing Weckl is amazing and his latest CD Multiplicity demonstrates he is nothing short of that.

PS

I also think it is easy for any one of you to sit here and bash him when in all honesty, you'd pay to play half as good as him. I think some drummers don't deserve all the hype they get, but Weckl definitely does.

[fly]

I think the most ridiculous statement anyone says is that he or any drummer IS TOO TECHNICAL? Well isn't drumming all about technique and perfecting it??? If not then why play...

I disagree, there is a thing as playing and thinking to technicle. To me technique is developed in order to make it easier to play more musically, if that makes sence. Im not saying you cant ever think about things from a technicle aspect because sometimes that is impossible and in order for one to play musically they must have a solid foundation with technique. What i tend to see is when any musican (not just drummers) start thinking and playing to techniclally what comes out is often very stiff. Now I respect Dave Wekl simply because all of the things he has acheived but when it comes down to it I personally would rather listen to someone like Jack Dejohnette or Jeff Ballard or Brian Blade instead of Dave Wekl, just because of their approach which is more about the music than the technicle aspect. This is just my opinion and im just throwing out there.

[finnhiggins]

I think the most ridiculous statement anyone says is that he or any drummer IS TOO TECHNICAL? Well isn't drumming all about technique and perfecting it??? If not then why play...


Err... music? You must really hate music if the only reason for you to play the drums is to work on technique and mechanics. It's sort of like saying "Yeah, I totally want to learn to drive - then I can spend my days sitting in my garage tuning the engine of my souped-up car". Personally, I wanted to drive so I could take my drums to gigs without having to bum a lift. Likewise, I work on my technique because I want to be able to play music without screwing up.

The statement above really threw me for six. I can't honestly comprehend how a musician could think like that, unless they really have no love of music whatsoever.

[toteman2]

I've always thought of technique as a way of perfecting your musical aproach...I am one who also does not undestand what "too technical" means...How can technique take away from your drumming? It can't! it only enhances your drumming...

[finnhiggins]

I've always thought of technique as a way of perfecting your musical aproach...I am one who also does not undestand what "too technical" means...How can technique take away from your drumming? It can't! it only enhances your drumming...

Of course it can. It's perfectly possible to spend twelve hours a day working on intricacies of technique and co-ordination while completely missing the point. Go listen to that Meg White video, the "Doorbell" song. The drum part on that song has a really nice tone to it, and it's very well selected. However, it has all manner of things that - technically - we fight against. Things like having the right hand locked to the right foot, for a start.

I've studied a lot of technique and co-ordination. So now, when I sit down I have the choice to play with my right hand locked to the bass drum or to play a consistent ostinato with the hands while playing independent stuff with the feet. However, given an opportunity to choose a groove.. what approach am I most likely to use?

Well, since I've spent years of my life working on the clean, co-ordinated stuff... I'll do that first. So would most studied drummers. But what if that's not the best, most appropriate part? What if the music you're playing calls for a Charlie Watts type approach? Sure, if you've got musical taste and depth then you can realise this and you can execute that part too if you have good technique. But if you spend all your time just working on your technique then how does that musical taste and depth develop in your playing? It certainly doesn't come from working on Stick Control all day...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to work on Stick Control some more.

[toteman2]

But if you spend all your time just working on your technique then how does that musical taste and depth develop in your playing? It certainly doesn't come from working on Stick Control all day...

I've always sceen technique as the way to develope good musical taste and depth and of course ideas...And of course to listen and study music...

[finnhiggins]

I've always sceen technique as the way to develope good musical taste and depth and of course ideas...And of course to listen and study music...

I'd suggest the latter is a lot more useful than the former.

How do you get from "RRLLRRLR LLRRLLRL" to Elvin Jones playing on "Alabama" by John Coltrane?

[jamndrummer]

Re: Dave Weckl

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Originally Posted by toteman2
I've always thought of technique as a way of perfecting your musical aproach...I am one who also does not undestand what "too technical" means...How can technique take away from your drumming? It can't! it only enhances your drumming...



Of course it can. It's perfectly possible to spend twelve hours a day working on intricacies of technique and co-ordination while completely missing the point. Go listen to that Meg White video, the "Doorbell" song. The drum part on that song has a really nice tone to it, and it's very well selected. However, it has all manner of things that - technically - we fight against. Things like having the right hand locked to the right foot, for a start.

I've studied a lot of technique and co-ordination. So now, when I sit down I have the choice to play with my right hand locked to the bass drum or to play a consistent ostinato with the hands while playing independent stuff with the feet. However, given an opportunity to choose a groove.. what approach am I most likely to use?

Well, since I've spent years of my life working on the clean, co-ordinated stuff... I'll do that first. So would most studied drummers. But what if that's not the best, most appropriate part? What if the music you're playing calls for a Charlie Watts type approach? Sure, if you've got musical taste and depth then you can realise this and you can execute that part too if you have good technique. But if you spend all your time just working on your technique then how does that musical taste and depth develop in your playing? It certainly doesn't come from working on Stick Control all day...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to work on Stick Control some more.

I agree with most of this....best bet is to play all styles of music and be proficient in all of them. just play your heart out and play for the song. Do whats best for that song.

[ZeppelinJB]

Dave Weckl is amazing. He wasnt exactly an influence, but he certainly sets a goal for success.

[jamsjr44]

Err... music? You must really hate music if the only reason for you to play the drums is to work on technique and mechanics. It's sort of like saying "Yeah, I totally want to learn to drive - then I can spend my days sitting in my garage tuning the engine of my souped-up car". Personally, I wanted to drive so I could take my drums to gigs without having to bum a lift. Likewise, I work on my technique because I want to be able to play music without screwing up.

The statement above really threw me for six. I can't honestly comprehend how a musician could think like that, unless they really have no love of music whatsoever.


obviously you misunderstood my statement..."You must really hate music" is now the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

You just don't get it and sadly you probably never will. But I will try to explain again, on this fourm all I hear about is people wanting to get better with their feet, hands, fingers etc which all involves what? Developing your technique... We all play for the music part of it obviously BUT you can't play well if you don't have certain technical aspects of drumming down. Correct? None of us has ever just sat down on a kit and had good technique from the begining, we all got there through developing our technique. Weckl just happens to have god given technique but also incredible practice habits.

So in my opinion saying someone is TOO TECHNICAL is a ridiculous statement or more so an envious or jealous statement, let's be honest. I'm not saying Weckl's style appeals to everyone, I believe I said that earlier, but to say he or any drummer on his level is too technical will never be understood by me. Remember it is very possible to be very technical and musical at the same time it is called being a: PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN.

[NouveauCliche]

Where to start with Weckl...

Well, without a doubt, Weckl was probably my biggest inspiration on the set when I was first starting out. My band director gave me "Hard Wired" when I was about 10 and it blew my mind. I'd never really spent much time listening to the legends of drumming at that point, all I'd really heard from drums and drumming was the music on the radio. What a complete shock!! Once I got past the intense synth sound, what I heard was incredible. The band was incredibly tight, superbly musical, and the epitome of what I considered "musicianship" at the time. Granted I was really young and hadn't experienced much of the "great" music I have now. Weckl's playing opened me up to a whole new WORLD of drumming. I bought "Master Plan" and heard Steve Gadd for the first time..then it just went from there.

As for his playing itself...I can see his earlier playing might have left a lot of people cold. He played everything with incredibly clean and powerful precision on a set that sounded like drums SHOULD sound, obviously in my opinion. To hear someone with that kind of monster like control and technique is a lot different experience that hearing someone from a classic rock band or pop band and I think it takes a while for it to set in. That's just how someone that practiced for 10 hours a day with drums that are completely studio eq'd to sonic perfection sounds!

What I don't understand...is how people can STILL call him a robot. After his time with Gruber, Dave came out with a completely new sense of groove and pocket. If you listen to his last few cds, they sound like a different drummer. He's playing loose, he grooves, and when he lets those chops fly, they sound better than ever. I remember buying Dave Gruisin's version of the West Side Story Suite and being completely floored that it was Weckl playing with such a hard swing and such finesse.

Not a week goes by where I don't look to Weckl for inspiration. He's a continous inspiration to the drumming community with not only his playing, but he sense of grace and professionalism. Thanks Dave, for keeping us all inspired to practice and be better musicians!

[Thinshells]

Dave is great. Except I hate his signiture sticks. They seem to be identical to the Gadd sticks, except they are brown, not black. Thin sticks with a tiny bead of a head. Yeck.

Oh yeah...his work: Dave has INCREDIBLE chops, Master plan and his other material is just amazing to listen to.

[NouveauCliche]

His old signature sticks? They're nothing like that Gadds..the tip shape is similiar, but the feel is COMPLETELY different. The Weckls are a lot meatier. I used to use them exclusively. The Gadds feel like a lighter/smaller stick.

[Thinshells]

His old signature sticks? They're nothing like that Gadds..the tip shape is similiar, but the feel is COMPLETELY different. The Weckls are a lot meatier. I used to use them exclusively. The Gadds feel like a lighter/smaller stick.


I have both, need I post a photo? they look and weigh identically...

[jamsjr44]

Dave is great. Except I hate his signiture sticks. They seem to be identical to the Gadd sticks, except they are brown, not black. Thin sticks with a tiny bead of a head. Yeck.

Oh yeah...his work: Dave has INCREDIBLE chops, Master plan and his other material is just amazing to listen to.


And actually his new evolution stick is very meaty and weighted at the front end...

NouveauCliche, great post earlier. I too am a huge Weckl fan I don't know if you read my earlier post but I have all 10 of his CD's and 4 of his 8 videos/dvd's. His work with Gruber clearly demonstrates he understood his playing though was incredible could be much looser and efficient. And he set out to do that just like Peart did studying with Gruber to totally re-learn how to play better. I don't think people realize the dedication it takes to re-learn technique especially when your at the level Weckl was already at before he studied with Gruber. Most of us me included would probably be to stubborn to take on a challenge like that.

If you don't have Multiplicity I suggest getting it I got it the first day it came out and haven't stopped listening to it yet.

[NouveauCliche]

Thinshells:

Weckl (original)- L = 16 1/4", Dia. = .560"

Gadd- L = 15 3/4", Dia. = .550"

That's the nearly the same difference in feel between somethingl ike a 5A and a 7A.


Jamsjr44:

Yea...he's great. I'd be lying if I said I'm still the absolute fanatic I used to be. There's just SO many great drummers doing grea things, but I have his new albums and they're great!

[jamsjr44]

Thinshells:

Weckl (original)- L = 16 1/4", Dia. = .560"

Gadd- L = 15 3/4", Dia. = .550"

That's the nearly the same difference in feel between somethingl ike a 5A and a 7A.


Jamsjr44:

Yea...he's great. I'd be lying if I said I'm still the absolute fanatic I used to be. There's just SO many great drummers doing grea things, but I have his new albums and they're great!


I hear ya I'm still a big fan of his and listen to him alot, but I also listen to more Danny Carey, Morgan Rose and others.. Like you said SO many great drummers now.

[HeyMang]

AGH... a couple years ago Dave came to my hometown and was doing a clinic! I MISSED IT. i was so ignorant and stupid then. bleh, if only id discovered drummerworld at a ripe age....sigh ..

[geek_boy_in]

People like Dave weckl and Tommy Igoe are the ones who carry the art forward with the perfect nature of their execution and formal/official knowledge and dedication. These are amongst the people who teaches in Music Universities, give seminars, workshops and practically defines the art for the others to understand.

So, PLEASE, do yourself a favour and
Don't criticize but try to learn from them.

and to the members who feel his music is cluttered and boring and doesn't have soul/musicality/interesting ups and downs .... well .... to them i must say: Boredom with academics, music, paintings comes when you fail to understand.

[Kevinm]

My perspective, if you bash Dave Weckl, you don't know what's going on! We are not talking personalities here. We are talking approach and musical ability! Dave is one of the most musical drummers we have today! He not only uses the physics of the approach but has so much phrasing and accents put into areas not one of us would even think it belongs. His highly advanced technical skills allows him to do things and then return back to the groove before most would think they could have even been placed there!
It seems to me some of use need to think more out of the box and understand the different approaches of all mainstream drummers have. Utilize these different approaches to make us better.
Dave is not only accurate but his timing is impeccable! Whether you like his music or not, just look at this guys approach. His approach provides him seemless stamina. I for one would love to be able to apply the energy he delivers to every stroke and do it for hours on end! This is where the physics comes in!
Some have stated he is boring, my interpretation of that is, he makes it look so easy, and he does not seem to work that hard! Well understand what he is doing, and you will appreciate it more!
You have to give credit where it is due! My perspective is you have to look at this instrument with an open mind, if you don't your abilities will become stiffled and the door will shut!
Some have said well if you write your own music then you can put in there anything you want. Well hate to tell you friend, Dave has done a heck of a lot more than do just the stuff you are referring to! Anyone hear him play with the Grusin big band? Ever hear him play with Michael Brecker, how about the Simmon and Garfunkel reunion tour, how about some Robert Plant stuff, George Benson, Diana Ross, and Chick Corea etc! Based on this list I don't see how anyone can say he is limited to his own stuff!
I guess some will never be that impressed unless he can do double bass riffs at 2million beats per minute! To me that is a totally myopic view of this instrument it's not even worth discussing anymore!

[Chinky]

I think Weckl's just awesome. My drum teacher said he never makes mistakes! He's my favourite cause he plays the drum so smooth and with so much feeling,but of course there r other amazing drummers too. It's just I get the most feel when I hear him play, what do u guys think...........?

[JPDrum]

Weckl is amazing I agree. I know a while back Dave got bashed for being too perfect but, that didn't stop me from liking him. He played a couple of nights at a small music club here in the Detroit area a few years ago and I went to both shows and really enjoyed myself. He was great as well as all the other players in the band. My wife and I were driving to the location and we spotted a motorhome and there's Dave behind the wheel driving the whole band to the show. It was amusing to have seen him that way also.

Recently I picked up Chick Corea Elektric Band - Live At Montreux 2004 on DVD and Dave does not disappoint. He is featured quite nicely throught and the DVD runs a bit under three hours. That is just the band playing. No featurettes, no bonus stuff, just the band playing up a storm. At $14.99 I consider it a very good investment.

Cheers

J P

[Crazy]

people who criticize his perfectness sounds just ridiculous

[Lambo]

Dave is a world class drummer, no doubt about it. But sometimes, I find he's a little too perfect. Everything is correct, and that's what leaves me a little vacant. I'd rather listen to someone edgier, like Morgan Agren. Having said that, it is incontestable that he is an incredible drummer with a great sound.

[lfdy]

Dave is a world class drummer, no doubt about it. But sometimes, I find he's a little too perfect. Everything is correct, and that's what leaves me a little vacant. I'd rather listen to someone edgier, like Morgan Agren. Having said that, it is incontestable that he is an incredible drummer with a great sound.

I kind of understand what you're saying, it's sort of nice to know that a drummer like that still makes mistakes, like the rest of is. But to me, it really astonishes me that someone can play so perfect. I think he's an ideal teacher.

[riffraff]

Weckl's video Back To Basics is one of the most awesome drum videos of all time

[Stu_Strib]

Best modern drum sounds recorded. Period.

[lfdy]

Weckl's video Back To Basics is one of the most awesome drum videos of all time

Yeah, i'm gonna get that one.

I really got into practicing my technique because of him.

[Crazy]

Any of you guys have a picture of Dave's drumkit in the "Back to Bsics" vid' to post on this forum? That kit is just so awesome, but I can't find it on the web !!!

[Stu_Strib]

I have both, need I post a photo? they look and weigh identically...

similar yet different.

Notice the Gadd sticks from the shoulder to the bead have very little taper to them (or from butt to tip, for that matter).

Weckl sigs have a beefy shoulder and a harsher taper down to the tip.

The center of gravity is way different too. Hold on in the fulcrum and find the center balance point. You'll notice the Gadd ones differ from the Weckl ones.

The shape of the tips, while similar, are not identical.

Also, Gadd plays with the BUTT of his sticks a lot, and the shape and tape of the stick reflects that. I think his sticks are long and skinny with little taper to accomodate this flipping the stick around for using the butt on the ride, but still feeling the same as when the stick is the other way.


Just my observations, having tried both sticks.

The only thing I dislike about either stick is that when your hands sweat, that finish gets real slippery (and the Gadd stick lacquer on the bead wears through really fast).

[lfdy]

Is he complaining that some music is nicely rounded?

What's wrong with that...

[NouveauCliche]

Is he complaining that some music is nicely rounded?

What's wrong with that...


He's talking about the actual recording and tone of the instruments. I tend to agree....you get that super eq'd, perfect recorded, studio magic type of sound a LOT with fusion albums.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely Weckl. He was ALL I listened to for my earlier formative drum years..and I absolutely love Corea, but a lot of that type of stuff leaves me cold these days. The cool thing about those big fusion groups, was how good they were live. You lose most of that super slick studio sound in a live situation, and you really get to here how bad arse those cats really were.

One thing though...it's kind of moot talking about his old stuff. If you listen to anything Weckl's made since the whole Freddie Gruber experience...his new stuff is AWESOMELY groovy. His drums still sound freakin' prefect, but his band has a whole new fire that I really like.

[TOMANO]

Do you feel like its wrong for musicians to play music that is technically challenging to the player?

Absolutely not, but pieces that are written from the standpoint of a chops-challenge, I feel, miss reaching their emotional potential a lot of the times. Technique should be vocabulary to a musician and used to communicate something other than the vastness of the vocabulary itself. Dave Weckl is extremely capable of great playing, I just haven't heard enough to say that "as a musician" he moves me. I bought the Corea stuff in the 80s 'cause it was the rage. It didn't move me then, and it doesn't move me now. I have watched Weckl instructional videos that floored me from a technical standpoint and, from this post, I'm intrigued enough to go search out his more recent work. So thanks.

As for "nicely rounded," in my opinion, it's one thing to shape and form, but to smooth out all the edges of a musical piece tends to lose the soul...again, this is just my opinion.

Oddly enough, I use Dave Weckl sticks...Hmmmm....

TOMANO

[nulldeveloper]

Hey today (8 Jan) is Dave's birthday!! Happy Birthday!!

[kzdruma]

Great musician! Even better live!

[DogBreath]

Here's a shot of his kit before a private show at NAMM last week, and a shot during the show:

[max999]

Well after reading what people had to say im a little surpires alot of peopel were bashing him. Hes an unbeleivable drummer, his latin sutff is killer etc. however, i can see how this overplaying could get borring after a while. Thing is there is nothing wrong with what hes playing, some people say hes not a musical drummer but he obviously is. It may be true though that he could benifit by playing other styles and showing us that he can play less complicated stuff, while still adding to them musicaly. Its obvious he can do this though, im sure weckl could play many different syles unbleivably. overall this might be nice to see but im still happy with what he does now he still plays awesome stuff.

[moparpunks]

I just heard a copy of the GRP big band and dave does an amazing job. I had never really heard much of his stuff but i am completly blown away. Like him or not this guy has some badass chops!

[Stu_Strib]

Here's a shot of his kit before a private show at NAMM last week, and a shot during the show:

Why was it private? Maybe this perception of inaccessiblity takes away from his popularity a bit? I've heard he is kind of private and not a great one-on-one clinician. I think he is just in such a different league than all of us that he "seems" different. I bet he'd be great to get lessons from!

[DogBreath]

Why was it private? Maybe this perception of inaccessiblity takes away from his popularity a bit?
It was a private event sponsored by Sabian to present their annual Lifetime Achievement Awards to Walfredo Reyes, Sr. (http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Walfredo_Reyes.html), Mitchell Peters, and Bill Ward (http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Bill_Ward.html) (of Black Sabbath). The event was hosted by Dom Famularo (http://www.drummerworld.com/reports/Dom_Famularo.html), and held in a ballroom at the Anaheim Hilton.

Dave Weckl was the first act to follow the awards, and then Terry Bozzio (http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Terry_Bozzio.html) and Joey Heredia (http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Joey_Heredia.html) each did a set. I met some really cool people there that night, including some DrummerWorld fans. Because the show wasn't advertised and their weren't any tickets made available, I doubt that anyone who wasn't there even knew about it, so it probably didn't contribute to Dave Weckl's (or any of the other drumming luminaries) reputation as "inaccessible." If anything, we all felt privileged to participate in such an intimate event.

Pictures:
#1: The Anaheim Hilton ballroom, site of Sabian LIVE and the 2006 Sabian Lifetime Achievement Awards.
#2: Sabian president Robert Zildjian welcoming everyone to the event.
#3: Bobby Sanabria introducing Walfredo Reyes, Sr.
#4: Walfredo Reyes, Sr. and Robert Zildjian.
#5: Bill Ward addressing the crowd.
#6: Master of Ceremonies Dom Famularo and a very happy group of drumming aficionados.
#7: Dave Weckl thanking his fans.
#8: Dom Famularo chatting with Terry Bozzio behind his kit.

[photon]

I just purchased Back to Basics and was blown away...

Drummers like Weckl make me want to quit...

The Chick Corea piece he does with the brushes is sick...............

This guy is a master of our instrument...period...end of discussion. We will never agree on the style of music he plays, that is always highly subjective.

[photon]

Couldn't agree with you more Wile E...

These guys knocking Weckl...I'd like to see them play, or actually I probably wouldn't...now Weckl him I like to watch even if it does make me feel so insigificant as a player myself....

I think a lot of the time when people knock those who are more highly skilled somehow it justifies (in their mind) there own lack of skill.....I mean these whole "musicality" thing is getting to almost be a cliche. They see a drummer who blows them away and I guess the only negative thing you can say is that elusive musicality...

I think people (drummers) can identify more with drummers like Ringo, Bonham etc. while great in their own right, deep down we all feel that we can approach that level of playing. Guys like Weckle, Gadd, etc. forget it...they are in another realm.

[tambian89]

Does anybody have any idea how Weckl uses that bass drum that just sits off on the side? I think its genius, but I don't understand how it's operated. Anyone's thoughts?

- Marc

[Stu_Strib]

He uses a remote pedal, just like the left pedal on double bass pedals. I'd imagine he has a lot longer linkage though.

[nuppy the wombat]

Hmmm. I've seen a lot of criticism on this thread. You might not like his style, or the music he plays, but you have to admit: he is a phenomenal musician. If you don't like complicated music, that is fine, but... seriously. The man is a God. No one is above criticism and we are all entitled to our own opinion, but I really can't understand how anyone can criticise an unbelievable drummer like Weckl and keep a straight face.

I like knowing that there will always be far greater players than myself because firstly, it keeps me humble and secondly, it takes the pressure off because you realise that you will never be the best, no matter how hard you try. There will always be a better drummer somewhere in the world. At least, that's what I like to think. That way, you can focus on doing it your way rather than trying to sound like Weckl, Vinnie, Chambers, etc.

Then again, I'm always trying to sound like Gadd (and failing)

[GAZZASCOTLAND]

anyone who says weckl has no feel wants their head seen to...ok,fusion is daves main thing and it can be a bit busy but thats the style of that genre..all very virtuoso..jazz can be brilliant to watch if your watching the drummer but i probably couldnt go to a 2 hour set without getting a bit bored....but to say weckl has no feel!!!!! just about any drummer we all talk about on here are gifted in their own way...it boils down to what style we prefer to listen to and what impresses us the most..have you seen daves dvd,the next step,where he jams with a big band....the bugle is the name of the tune....he is awsome,especially when the band kicks in...now thats "feel".....he,vinnie,gadd,smith and many others are all fantastic....maybe its people who dont get weckls drumming who are lacking in feel

[Bernhard]

This page is directly linked with the Dave Weckl site, so we have to stay strictly on topic Weckl here. So some comments about general disliking of drums or personal fights about who is more hating fusion music were removed from DB and B. There are so many other places for this - even on this forum. ok?

B.

[DogBreath]

Here are some clips of Dave that I got at Sabian Live in January. The one linked here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmrok4vX4rI&search=Weckl%20drum%20NAMM) is the longest at over four minutes, and there are links on the page to three other clips as well. This one is the best, though, with some very nice grooves, a tight solo, and a jamming finale. There is simply no way to watch this guy play live and not appreciate both his technical ability and his feel for the groove. He is an amazingly well rounded drummer.

[solidity128]

Dave is one of the best out there period. I was fortunate enough to be introduced to him at one of his gig's in St.Louis a few years back by one of his former instructors. He was touring behind his album Snergy at the time. He is not just a phenom on the drums but a great composer of music. Granted, not everyone is into jazz fusion or contemporary jazz or however the industry labels it, keep in mind that Dave and his band create this music together, and each album they have released has been different than the previous one, which is utterly amazing. If you ever get a chance to see the band live, absolutely get there, but dont go just to check out Dave and disect his chop's, check out the whole band. Each of them is a virtuoso in their own right. Truly great artists.

[Wile E. Coyote]

He has the best sound ever... Great inspiration for some mortals like me!

Thanx

[Waterjet]

The pantheon you don't get consists of some of the best drummers alive, not based only on their very good technical playing, but for their high demand to play for anyone.

No punk rocker drummer can play these guys' parts, but all these guys can play punk rock. Its really that easy.

If you have the highest technical skills possible, and can play anything, that makes you good.

Just look at Vinny Colaiuta and Steve Gadd's discography for starters.

Just watch Steve Smith, for crying out loud. If you can't see why he is on top of the drumming world, then I can't really say anything more about it.

Weckl is a matter of taste, but there is no denying his ability. And his drum sound is one of the best recorded.

I totally agree. I wonder though for people who love drums, how could some not like Weckl? Man he's just amazing and his group is wonderful. Stu is totally right about the best recorded drum sound. His Drums have the best recorded sound. Just killer.

Waterjet

[LinearDrummer]

Without a doubt Dave Weckl is seriously one of the GREATEST drummers of all time....
His technique and precision on the kit is the perfect definition of a drummer in command of his art....

[dry_water]

I'm so lucky, I'm gonna watch him on the 16th or April... He's a magnificent drummer, in my opinion, and I often wonder if I will ever get to be half as creative and skillful as he is...

[rendezvous_drummer]

He is one of the greatest drummers of all time, if not, quite possibly he greatest. Def. in my top 10 favorite drummers. He is so perfect at the drums it's absoluetly amazing. just imagine, a huge drum solo/duet with weckl and gadd..... HAS THAT HAPPENED??

[brittc89]

He is one of the greatest drummers of all time, if not, quite possibly he greatest. Def. in my top 10 favorite drummers. He is so perfect at the drums it's absoluetly amazing. just imagine, a huge drum solo/duet with weckl and gadd..... HAS THAT HAPPENED??
Theres like a big showdown thing between Colaiuta, Gadd, and Weckl on this website that i think it pretty cool. Its from when they were all younger though.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Theres like a big showdown thing between Colaiuta, Gadd, and Weckl on this website that i think it pretty cool. Its from when they were all younger though.
that.....was......brilliant!!! By far the best video on this site! The three best drummers together on one stage like that, simply amazing.

[dry_water]

The person above me said it perfectly. I just went to his concert last night for the Multiplicity tour, and I tell you all, he was magnificent. He fist had a clinic, and he talked about his technique on the snare and how the setup affects everything, and you could really see that what he said made perfect sense. He has a flawless technique, and he incorporates it into his playing with no problem.

Say all you want, guys, but he is one of the greatest drummers in the world, if not the greatest alone. I mean I understand it when some of you say he plays only by the book, but his creativity shows otherwise. He's got his own unique grooves, and it goes perfectly side by side with the music.

Hats off to Mr. Weckl...

[tdrums91]

ive been listening to dave play for a long time now and its hard for me to listen to anyone else because of how amazing he is, his music just doesnt get old... i love listening to his amazing drums parts and listening to all the latin and songo patterns he plays his music sounds so seemless, and to me its like the perfect music, ive taken a lesson with him and hes also an amazing teacher, i think all his work and all that devotion has paid off

[LinearDrummer]

ive taken a lesson with him and hes also an amazing teacher, i think all his work and all that devotion has paid off


Wow - feel free to share with us what that experience of a lesson was like....

[tdrums91]

everything he taught in the lesson was from his how to develop technique video so i would suggest evryone pick that up... most of the lesson u just sit there speechless, it really gave me motivation to practice my ass off

[LinearDrummer]

everything he taught in the lesson was from his how to develop technique video so i would suggest evryone pick that up... most of the lesson u just sit there speechless, it really gave me motivation to practice my ass off



Thats funny cause the early Weckl inspires me to practice but this post-Gruber "time is motion" Weckl makes me depressed...Hes raised the bar to a level that I can never achieve...

My perfect Weckl lesson would be to fire up my Camcorder and just tape him for a half an hour and watch him do his thing.....LOL...

[cymbals~FEAR~me]

Hey, I was curious if anyone knows what Dave's cymbals were while he used Zildjian, before the switch to Sabian. Does anyone have a clue? Thanks.

Cheers


P.S. Weckl's a huge inspiration and cause for me to practice too.

[toteman2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HFXnGjjseA&search=dave%20weckl


One of the very best solo's I've ever sceen in my life. The man is amazing.

[dawg]

weckl is one of the best drummers in the world.period.anyone who disagrees just does not know or appreciate drumming. as for his feel,i've heard some of the opinions voiced before negative towards his playing,but to my ears his time is just about as perfect as humanly possible.one of my top 5 favorites,for sure.he can play any style he chooses and is great at all of em'.

[finnhiggins]

weckl is one of the best drummers in the world.period.anyone who disagrees just does not know or appreciate drumming.

That, of course, depends on how you quantify "best". Technically adept? Sure. But if you asked me to hire a guy off of the list of drummers on the Drummerworld front page I doubt it'd be Weckl for... well... anything!

It's all personal taste, and I just plain find his stuff a bit on the dull side. It's great for five minutes of technical amazement now and again, but I'd find obsessing over it very depressing and the kind of thing that would probably suck all the joy out of playing the drums for me. Not because what he's doing is hard, just because I don't find any of it exciting in any meaningful musical way.

[dawg]

and what solos do you find inspiring,then? for me,the same reason i like weckl's technical superior drumming is the same reason i like colaiuta's. dennis chambers is great in his own funky way,with speed.to me bill stewart and,jack de johnette have different but similar styles in the trad jazz idiom. elvin's mastery of 3/4 and triplets. maybe rock is your thing.

[finnhiggins]

and what solos do you find inspiring,then?

Wow, that's a loaded question. Since when was drumming about soloing, and all knowledge of drumming assessed on that basis? I'm actually not a big fan of solos across the board, because since drummers have very little note sustain or tone control after the initial impact most drum solos seem to degenerate into mindless chopping. As an instrument I'd be hard pressed to think of one less suited to expressive solo playing than the drumset.

But that said, if I had to pick soloists I'd be pointing the way of people like Joey Baron or Tony Williams who manage to overcome the technical limitations and actually say something.


for me,the same reason i like weckl's technical superior drumming is the same reason i like colaiuta's. dennis chambers is great in his own funky way,with speed.to me bill stewart and,jack de johnette have different but similar styles in the trad jazz idiom. elvin's mastery of 3/4 and triplets. maybe rock is your thing.

Not really. I just think that soloing is a lousy measure of a drummer, and technique a worse one.

For a better understanding of how technique and art intersect, take a look at the filmmaking world. There the technical side is quite clearly technical - it's all about colour grading, different kinds of stock, camera moves, different approaches to lighting, CG and compositing, etc etc off into eternity. But then you look at the most technically impressive, big-budget movies and compare their content with what's being done on a fraction of the budget by people with good ideas. There's no law that says that working on a huge budget automatically means you have to have no ideas and produce derivative but spectacle-laden junk - there's enough exceptions to show that artistically valid big-budget filmmaking is viable. But on the other hand, the presence of a lot of expensive technique and equipment clearly doesn't render a film any good, either.

Art (=music) and technique (=mechanics to achieve something) have little relationship. The first is notoriously subjective, the latter very objective.

On the latter, objective measure then Weckl is clearly very strong. On the former I absolutely cannot stand a single thing he's done that I've yet encountered. That's clearly down to me, but labling people who don't view Weckl as one of the "best" drummers as ignorant or ill-informed is just silly.

Weckl's instructional videos are very good though, I'll add. I'd include his play-alongs if they weren't so musically apalling, the idea is excellent. But I refuse to give any student the impression that being a good drummer requires you to listen to that kind of stuff...

[BrynnerAgassi]

Dave will non the less go down in history as being one of the greatest drummers ever known! I think he is pretty much one of the hardest drummers to duplicate. What he has is a gift that all drummers have, and thats the gift to creat art out of music, but Weckl takes this to another level. He was one of my biggest insperations and still is, but as i got older his techniques were just tooooo unreal and so i shifted my focus on finding my own techniques and sound. He is a legand.

[dawg]

couldn't have said it better! some things as a drummer you can appreciate because you play the instrument and have maybe a working knowledge of his style of playing. then some guys you just tip your hat and say i wish i had those chops. but aside from dave being a solist,he does keep excellent time when supporting a band and i love the stuff he does with latin music.he plays that way because he can.

[drumma]

weckl is one of the best drummers in the world.period.anyone who disagrees just does not know or appreciate drumming. as for his feel,i've heard some of the opinions voiced before negative towards his playing,but to my ears his time is just about as perfect as humanly possible.one of my top 5 favorites,for sure.he can play any style he chooses and is great at all of em'.


I'm with you man, people put him down because they can't play as well as him. As far as having no feel, I think Dave has so much feel it's rediculous! I allways hear that he is to perfect and because of it he has no feel, I guess you have to be sloppy to have feel, whatever.

[finnhiggins]

I'm with you man, people put him down because they can't play as well as him.

Yeah, just like all those jealous musicians who put down the Spice Girls and Brittney Spears because they're more successful!

Seriously, do you people actually think about your arguments before you post them? Surely if somebody was going to be jealous of Weckl because he's better than them they'd also be jealous of everybody else listed on DW? Unless you're suggesting that this jealousy is restricted to people who're better than, say, Max Roach and Joey Baron but not as good as Dave Weckl, which is even more silly.

I can't play as well as Joey Baron or Matt Chamberlain - or Max Roach - but you'll never see me doing anything other than singing their praises because I like what they do. I don't like Weckl's playing because it bores me stiff. If I had to pick the most boring gigs I've ever been to they'd probably be:

a) some Japanese avant-garde guitarist whose name I forget at the moment who played one note for 30 minutes straight; and
b) the Dave Weckl band at Ronnie Scott's in London.

So if I fail to aspire to play like Weckl it's not because he's better than me and I'm envious, it's just because I find everything he does rather dull and uninspired. You see?

[Blue]

He's just so pleasant to listent to. Every sound he gets out of every drum and system... it just feels good just to listen to. But, he never really lets go and just goes nuts. I'm impressed by what he can play, but he doesn't drive it home emotionally for me a lot of the time, like, for instance, Brian Blade, who made literally cry when I saw him live. It's groovy as hell though (Dave). I still listen to him, actually, more and more lately, and I love it, and some of his fills are GENIOUS! I guess I just wish he would go nuts sometimes...

I disagree wholeheartedly...people do not put him down because they can't play like him. It's probably because they don't feel what he's playing. It's pretty simple. That's subjective and personal, but is the most important from a subjective listening standpoint as far as I'm concerned. It depends on what kind of drum playing fits you're personality and appeals to you emotionally. Obviously, Dave's playing doesn't appeal to certain people emotionally, including me in some respects, but I still respect the bejesus out of him for his ability to the drums.

[tdrums91]

He's just so pleasant to listent to.

Thats just the way I see it. I really think you have to enjoy his playing but also the music as well. I personally think every note he plays couldn't be any more perfect and also think that it fits the music exactly the way it should. What I like about it is that it's pleasant to listen to but at the same time pumps me up and motivates me to want to play

[MarkyMark9000]

Hi there, I just joined this forum and felt compelled to post something up on the Vinnie Thread. And Guess what, I just love Weckl.

When I first heard him play (think it was the Akoustic band recording first), I loved what I thought was his fresh approach.

I am a particular fan of him playing with the GRP big band (and of course have the Weckl, Gadd & Colaiuta video - Buddy Rich Memorial tape 2).

I met Dave at Ronnie Scotts in London the other year. Nice guy, took a lot of time to have his pic taken. Am glad to say that I'm slightly taller than he is, but that's the only thing I've got on him ;-)

Seriously, I have lots of differnt recordings with him on. I particularly liked him with Michel Camillo.

he is simply a fabulous Drummer !

The thread seems to be getting into a deba te about technique. Technique to me is all about a means to an end. Technique can influence a playing style so people CAN say that "....his (or her) solo was a bit technical" - but maybe what they recognise if that drummer having good techique.

I know Weckl has been criticised in the past about his "technical approach" (note the quotation marks). So much so I actually felt compelled to write to the publication in his defense, and they actually printed it. To the unknowing Weckl may sound "technical", but I've been listening to him for years and just hear some of the most musical drumming I've ever heard.

[LinearDrummer]

Here are some clips of Dave that I got at Sabian Live in January. The one linked here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmrok4vX4rI&search=Weckl%20drum%20NAMM) is the longest at over four minutes, and there are links on the page to three other clips as well. This one is the best, though, with some very nice grooves, a tight solo, and a jamming finale. There is simply no way to watch this guy play live and not appreciate both his technical ability and his feel for the groove. He is an amazingly well rounded drummer.

I never noticed this link - I thought it was for pictures before so thanks for the hook-up....

And your right how can you not appreciate both his technicality and incredible groove...
The man is on top of his game - period!

[Stu_Strib]

Stunning, but simultaneously underwhelming. How do you communicate that?

I agree with your assessment. I was listening to Chick Corea (accoustic band) Live! (from 1991) and the drumming is stunning and virtuostic yet completely out of place in a 3 man jazz combo. I hadn't listened to this cd in probably 10 years, and I used to be amazed out how 'great' of a jazz drummer Weckl is. But 10 years later, it sounds the same as the stuff he plays today. I also have a much healthier dose of 40-60s jazz for comparison, and have to say that I just don't get the forward thinking big rock sound of Weckl on Live!

[HardcoreLogo]

Poor Dave gets alot of flack, but I can see everyones point for sure. It's kinda like Neal Peart, you gotta admit he's a great drummer, but sometimes seems a little too "Cut and Paste" with regards to the drum parts. I listen to many drummers for many reasons, and I love Dave and his playing, but for what it is.

[simonsweb]

Year - off course i like Dave Weckl. Hes technike is amazing, but i think the problem with mr. weckel is that olmost every bands his play with - He's the man you see (if you understand)

[Melvin]

I'm not really in, and don't dig this "Weckle-Colaiuta-Gadd-Chambers-Steve Smith..." drumming pantheon. They're are too glorified and used by their endorsements as THE DRUM REFERENCE. Too technical and they are all playing fusion which make feel each one sound more and more similar. But it's like always very personal, it's just music that doesn't move me (maybe at the exception of Gadd).

Weckl doesn't play fusion, he plays contemporary jazz. Weckl, Colaiuta, Gadd, Chambers, Smith are all very diferent. You just have to listen to them for a while and then talk. These are great drummers and they have exelent technique and grooves.

Watch the best so you can learn from them.

[shersch]

I will concede that Weckl plays modern jazz [i.e. Chick Corea], but I disagree that he is a modern jazz drummer. His style is very much predicated upon principles of fusion, in my opinion.

I do, however, snicker at drummers knocking his lack of mistakes.

The dude is a metronome! If making mistakes floats your boat, then [by all means], go listen to some cheap quazi-punk. I'm going to stick with the guys who have flawless technique and inventive, if not artistic, methods: Dave Weckl, Manu Katche, etc.

Though I am a proponent of smaller kits, I also like his sound much more than that of drummers in the Steve Gadd vein of things.

I have to disagree with many of the statements posted and argue that Dave is one of the best drummers alive. While his style can become static, it: serves the music well, doesn't put odd things in odd places, is based around expanding the art of drumming, and [if nothing else] is practically a model of perfection for modern fusion percussion.

[kornslipknot]

I have some lesson vids which i got of limewire of Dave Weckel. They are pretty good, some of them take you back to basics and there is some great advice in there. If you dont have them, get them because they are good value.

[sshu]

My $0.02. Dave Weckl is an awesome drummer. One of my favorites. After listening to him for many years (but never seeing him live), it was great to see him live in a clinic. I wrote up a review here ... http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20054&highlight=weckl

Having tried to pick up traditional grip unsuccessfully for many years (probably like 15+ years), the insights on ergonomics he provided at the clinic finally got me over a hump.

I'll always remember that clinic. His playing and drums sounded awesome.

Steve

[geek_boy_in]

a) some Japanese avant-garde guitarist whose name I forget at the moment who played one note for 30 minutes straight; and



hahahahaha ... dude please get the name ... i so much want to hear that thing.

[DeepSnowWalker]

Dave Weckl would be my number one choice. I just recently got back into drums after a 30 year break and looked into this site thoroughly and decided to go with all Dave weckl's dvd's and lessons along with Portnoy and minneman and Jack bennett. Dave's dvd's span a number of years and styles as near as I can tell and he is constantly progressing. I dare say he could play any type of music. That being said I have learned from absolutely everyone on this site. Dave switches back and forth at times from traditional grip and matched grip when it is better to do so which makes perfect sense to me being almost exclusively traditional from way back to my drum teacher who was originally a drum and bugle core lad turned rock. I'm no expert and everyone has their own style but Dave just keeps getting better. He's starting to flow nicely and he's still young.

[DeepSnowWalker]

Dave Weckl would be my number one choice. I just recently got back into drums after a 30 year break and looked into this site thoroughly and decided to go with all Dave weckl's dvd's and lessons along with Portnoy and minneman and Jack bennett. Dave's dvd's span a number of years and styles as near as I can tell and he is constantly progressing. I dare say he could play any type of music. That being said I have learned from absolutely everyone on this site. Dave switches back and forth at times from traditional grip and matched grip when it is better to do so which makes perfect sense to me being almost exclusively traditional from way back to my drum teacher who was originally a drum and bugle core lad turned rock. I'm no expert and everyone has their own style but Dave just keeps getting better. He's starting to flow nicely and he's still young.

[geek_boy_in]

Correct. I totally agree.. .

Atleast even if one do not understand what Weckl is doing or maybe even if your musical perception is different to what Weckl is playing .... You have to have respect for the tenacity of this guy and his constant journey of improvement and trying to find the optimal.

Like any true academician and researcher .. this guy does not rest on his laurels..... on the other hand I can name atlast 20 "famous" drummers whose playing and comments reflect the "I have seen it all, am successful and best, I do not need any improvements anymore and my musical genre/style is the best" attitude.
( to the uninitiated am also talking about versatility here .... )

[Ian Ballard]

Dave is a phenominal technician and has really developed a beautiful feel, unfortunately most of the music he plays is bordering on elevator jazz. It just seem he (and Jay Oliver) tend to compose music for a cool drum part, as opposed to composing a drum part for cool music.

[KzSgDrummer]

^ Bingo. I consider maybe 3 tracks on any of his CDs to be worth giving a second, or 50th listening. I love drumming, but I like drums that go to a song, not the other way around. And of course I respect his mastery of the drums, but there's still something about his playing that doesn't sit right in me.

[Ian Ballard]

^ Bingo. I consider maybe 3 tracks on any of his CDs to be worth giving a second, or 50th listening. I love drumming, but I like drums that go to a song, not the other way around. And of course I respect his mastery of the drums, but there's still something about his playing that doesn't sit right in me.

I do also make something clear. I do think using the drums as a compositional tool, even the main one, is fine and in fact I do it all the time with my "band". However, it seems like he's appealing to a "song oriented" and probably baby-boomer age jazz fan (adult contemporary?) as opposed to the really hard-core jazz fan. The drumming is insanely beautiful in a field of badly sampled synthesizers and cheesey alto sax playing.

I think if Dave ventured off like Vinnie and did some crazy Fusion Rock like "Thanks To Frank " with Warren Cuccurullo or did a Megadeth album (Slayer?), or formed a fusion-y underground rock band or something.

I just can't do the adult contemporary, guys!

[JayAlsman]

Could anyone please tell me which video shows Dave playing a yellow 4 piece Yamaha Hip-Gig kit. I've seen this once before, and I'm having trouble finding this video again. Thanks!!

[geek_boy_in]

after listening to a couple of criticism by some members here i really did an introspect and went through my Dave Weckl collection again ( it has been quite long i heard them ... mostly now a days i listen to west african bands like bembeya jazz , super rail road band etc) ......

but man ..... did it sound good !!!!! i was listening to "Dave Weckl Band Live and very plugged in" .......for example the number Rhythm-A-Ning !!! ... it had soul... and swings really hard !!!!!!!! somehow I found a great similarity in his chops with Trilok Gurtu's ......anyone else find it similar ??? also in "Mesmer Eyes" i found Gurtu like ambience and groove....
and "Hesitation" was too funky and the feel was so funny ..... it breaks midway leaving you somewhere up and hanging ....... almost falling of the cliff kind of feel
anyways ... i conclude that the ones who are telling Weckl doesn't have feel, is too mechanical is either lying or plain wrong.
also leave apart Dave Weckl band ........ Corea, George benson, simon&garfunkel, Diana Ross, Michel Camilo, Patitucci, .... natalie cole/ madonna's producers are not really so illiterate to take a machine right ???


in some numbers his playing is so tricky ( tricky cause... after all this dude has only 4 limbs like all of us) that it may seem to be aparently too overwhelming....... unreachable .... never-achievable ... OverPlaying ........but then why don't you leave those numbers and listen to the good feel ones ??? also i would suggest don't listen to the entire album at one go...... so much work is there it really becomes an overdose resulting in boredom to a Critical examining mind ......... but on the other hand suddenly if you listen to one Weckl number after so many other genres that you hear .... it sounds really good !!


but anyways .. for the last one year am going through a very earthy, belonging to soil and nature phase of mood .... so back to my Bembeya jazz and Oliver Mtukudzi :)

also can someone point me to good online /offline resources in english related to rhythms from Mali, Zimbabwe, Guinea etc like Shona Mbira, Mandinga etc .... I don't want to leave my family and go to africa :(

[geek_boy_in]

Could anyone please tell me which video shows Dave playing a yellow 4 piece Yamaha Hip-Gig kit. I've seen this once before, and I'm having trouble finding this video again. Thanks!!

I think you are talking about the instructional DVD A natural Evolution - How to develop Technique ... its there at 16:30 and couple of times after that .......... in that same video he also used other kits besides Hip-Gig.

[LinearDrummer]

It just seem he (and Jay Oliver) tend to compose music for a cool drum part, as opposed to composing a drum part for cool music.
I agree with that but thats what they were trying to do - put him on the map as a soloist...
He said it himself..

To me after the first 2 cds once it became the Dave Weckl Band it became much more musical...of course hes featured alot cause its HIS band but I do think the songs and musicianship between band members was much more cohesive.....but thats just me....

anyways ... i conclude that the ones who are telling Weckl doesn't have feel, is too mechanical is either lying or plain wrong.
Man you just can't please everybody....too technical, too mechanical, not musical blah blah blah...its actuall pretty comical reading these posts...everybody has their OWN grading system on what they define as good drumming...

All I know is every show I've seen him play at everybody sure is paying attention to his every move...not bad for someone thats cheesy and non-musical huh :-)

[tdrums91]

I personally think that the majority of people who criticize daves playing don't have the "ear" for that kind of music. I think the music is wonderfully put together and dave's playing fits it beautifully.. It's funny because everytime I play his music to one of my friends who listens to only one type of music (mainly rock) they all describe it as elevator music. They don't understand more complicated music and hear it completely different from the way I do. ((Just an opinion))

[DHW200]

Dave Weckl plays a niche appeal genre. He plays fusion, but its more sophisticated and more "musicians music" than other types of fusion. Anybody who has seen his band live or has their live album knows what I'm talking about.

Dave has amazing chops and technique, yet a very free flowing style. He plays technically, yet he plays musically at the same time, wrapping wonderfully around the rest of his phenomenal band. And he is constantly improving. Years, ago, before he started taking lessons with Freddie Gruber, his playing was fine. I mean it was very good, but it wasnt spectacular. Gruber turned Weckl around, and turned him into a true master. Now his style is very loose, very natural (hence a Natural Evolution).

Dave Weckl has been my favorite drummer ever since I disovered him, and is by far and away my biggest influence and role model as a musician (not that i have even the slightest chance of becoming as good as he is)

[dawg]

aside from preferences(pro and con) about weckl playing people saying he's too mechanical,too technical,"elevator music,"etc., the ONE thing no one can say is he's "sloppy."

[gf2564]

Weckl, Steve Smith and Danny Seraphine are all bringing their repective bands to the Hilton Ballroom on September 18th in Harrisburg Pa. It should be a great night of drumming and music. I am making the trip from down south to see them. I am really looking forward to it.

[Ian Ballard]

I take back anything negative I've ever said about Dave, soley because of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz3VL6d7nMk

[geek_boy_in]

I take back anything negative I've ever said about Dave, soley because of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz3VL6d7nMk

???? what did you find in that 1and 1/2 min jam ..... do explain cause to me it seemed mindless rambling :( ?? I found the montreux jazz jams with Corea in youtube to be much more tricky and interesting ....

[onur_kusadasi]

My favorite drummers are
Mike Portnoy
Nick Menza (I couldn't him on site)
Dave Weckl

mike portnoy: pro-academic drummer, very complex drumming (easy to learn)
Nick Menza : truly the best
Dave Weckl: let's make samba man :D, his teaching videos are very good.

[h3r3tic]

He was the first drummer that I went to do a research on the web looking for drum lessons and I´ve gotta say that he´s kinda good too :)

[drsnazzy]

You gotta love Weckl. Before I went off to school, I thought he was amazing. I remember playing "Master Plan" for my mom in high school and telling her that he was the best drummer in the world...Period. (That was before I understood that there are best DRUMMERS--plural--in the world! Everyone has a voice, and so many are great...)

After going through 4 years of pretty intense study, I realized that Weckl was even better than I thought. But ironically, I think his technique often overshadows his musicality. A lot of drummers get hung up on his chops and miss out on his ability to musically speak through the drums.

My favorite work of his is when he backed up Michel Camilo on 1989's "On Fire" disc. He kills, and it made me want to understand that contemporary sound.

If you don't have that album, it's a must. Joel Rosenblatt and Smitty are on it, too, and it's excellent!

[NUTHA JASON]

agreed, and, that said, here's a solo on vic firth for fun. weird tom angles here.
http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/video/weckl_solo_8-21-06_HQ.html

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[Stitch Kaboodle]

Man Dave Weckl expresses himself on the drums like no other. The only one even in contention is Vinnie Colaiuta. I can't believe people would say that Dave is predictable. The guy has such a grasp of his drumming vocabulary that he can say almost anything he wants. He has developed such an impeccable sense of dynamics that NO drummer i've heard can match. You wanna hear this guy swing. Also he has the decency to admit that he had to change his technical approach and contradict some of his earlier tutorials in DVDs etc. Not many people, nevermind drummers, would be man enough to do that.

I can't stress enough how musical Dave Weckl is. He Bridges the gap between Rock and Jazz for me. I mean if drummers actually listened to him they would hear how some things he plays have the force, conviction and OOOMPH! of anything from the rock idiom. And he does all this in the name of Jazz baby!

Dave, you're a legend. You speak to me and i hear everything you do man.

[dawg]

i love weckl's playing as well as vinnie's,but man,i don't know,lately you might have to throw dennis chambers into that mix,too.

[Stitch Kaboodle]

Very true. DC rolls like no one else. Check out Niacin

[wybasher]

My favorite work of his is when he backed up Michel Camilo on 1989's "On Fire" disc. He kills, and it made me want to understand that contemporary sound.

If you don't have that album, it's a must. Joel Rosenblatt and Smitty are on it, too, and it's excellent!

Have you also heard DW on the 1986 Michel Camilo Suntan CD? I think the drumming on that is even better. (Plus the drum sound micing/recording is more upfront as well.) Did you hear "Tombo in 7/4"? (It's a remake of Airto tune). The entire tune (including the solo) is in 7/4. I've listened, studied, dissected that particular piece more than 1000 times. Also, the 1993 Michel Camilo disc "Rendeveous" has a track called "As one". That entire tune is in 5/4 including the solo break! A lot of songs with odd time often only have the odd-meter for a few bars as a gimmick section and then they revert back to 4/4. It's hard to find tunes with odd-meter all the way through and be a quality song that's fun to listen to!

If folks want phenomenal examples of odd time playing, those 2 tracks are worthy of study. Both were done by the trio of Michel Camilo + Anthony Jackson + Dave Weckl.

[Mapex589]

I have tickets to see The Dave Weckl Band on November 29th in St. Louis and I can't wait to see him. Better yet, I am attending his clinic the following Saturday. Should be awesome!!!

[kornslipknot]

I have tickets to see The Dave Weckl Band on November 29th in St. Louis and I can't wait to see him. Better yet, I am attending his clinic the following Saturday. Should be awesome!!!

Yeah that will be awsome man hes the such an amazing drummer.

[Class A Drummer]

I have tickets to see The Dave Weckl Band on November 29th in St. Louis and I can't wait to see him. Better yet, I am attending his clinic the following Saturday. Should be awesome!!!
damn im jealous. wanna send any of those tickets my way? id love to see a weckl clinic. that would be awsome.

[Mapex589]

damn im jealous. wanna send any of those tickets my way? id love to see a weckl clinic. that would be awsome.
Yeah, I am fully stoked about this clinic. I think I am more excited about the clinic than the concert. I will post a review of both after I attend. I can't wait!!

[bgdrummer]

Wow. Thats all i can say. Ive been reading some of the comments posted about Dave weckl in this thread and im amazed. I mean as far as i am concerned Dave weckl is one of the most innovative drummers of all time. There are few drummers in this world who raise the bar for the rest of us. Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Steve Gadd. I believe that Weckl is in that class. He has brought the art of drumming to another level.

How any drummer could find him boring is beyond belief. Your all drummers!!! I realize that not everyone is into that genre that he plays, but you have to respect his playing ability. You have to respect his ability to come up with split second beats,rolls, accents, fills that fit so perfectly to the music.

Thats my take.

[finnhiggins]

How any drummer could find him boring is beyond belief. Your all drummers!!! I realize that not everyone is into that genre that he plays, but you have to respect his playing ability.

Yes, but having to respect somebody on some level doesn't mean you aren't also entitled to find them boring. I've met some amazingly smart people in the past for whom I have a great deal of intellectual respect, but who bore me to tears on a personal level. Same deal.

[dawg]

that latin stuff in odd time signatures is something he owns. you can really see(and hear) on his videos the influence of gadd and how he took it further out. oh,and his beat displacements on his 2nd video(i believe it's "the next step") is fun to practice.

[mieleke]

I like a lot of drummers for many reasons, here are a few of them:

Dennis Chambers, for his power, sound, the choices he makes

Antonio Sanchez, his unique timing, and the independance he has

Brian Blade, his sound and feel

Virgil Donati, his innovating techniques, inventer of new drum sounds and chops that where unthinkable a few years ago (i only like a few songs from planet x)

Horacio Hernandez, his pure playing, the way he looks when he plays (the boy got soul)

And ofcourse my ultimate favorite Dave Weckl

Dave is the only drummer i know that is good at EVERY aspect of the drums there is. I am getting tired of people saying he's too technical or not musical, for those people this music is clearly of a level beyond your understanding! Some say he's boring or unoriginal, well, the fills he makes are the most sophisticated and musical ones out there, he even plays things i have never heard before! How's that for original??

It takes a Virgil Donati to beat him in some techniques, but Dave is way more musical, or a Dennis Chambers to have more 'brute force' power, but all his skills combined makes him the ultimate drummers drummer!

[Womble]

Dave is the only drummer i know that is good at EVERY aspect of the drums there is...the fills he makes are the most sophisticated...ones out there

Not even Dave himself would agree with you.

[mieleke]

Not even Dave himself would agree with you.

Dave Weckl is too modest to do that!

But what area of drumming would you say Dave Weckl is not good at then ?

[Womble]

But what area of drumming would you say Dave Weckl is not good at then ?

Out of respect for Bernhard's wishes I shan't answer that, but anyways, you didn't quite get what I meant, which was - Weckl would name plenty of other drummers who have mastered all aspects of the instrument, and he would definitely tell you there are drummers who play more sophisticated fills.

[michael drums]

Thanks Womble, for not "going there"! Yea, it's always better to highlight someones' strengths than to point out their weaknesses. Though, I dare say, that Weckl has few, if any, of the latter. IMHO. He never ceases to amaze me, whenever I see or hear him. There's always something that he does that makes me say, "Neat! How'd he do that"? Thanks again and Play On!

[dawg]

let's put it this way...i wish i had weckl's weaknesses!

[dizkneelande]

Dave Weckl is too modest to do that!

But what area of drumming would you say Dave Weckl is not good at then ?

you havnt been around weckle have you, he's got a big ol head lol

[michael drums]

let's put it this way...i wish i had weckl's weaknesses!

You got that right, dawg! Bullseye, nail on head response. You and me both! Absolutely...Play On!

[michael drums]

you havnt been around weckle have you, he's got a big ol head lol

Hey diz. How goes it? Just wanted to say that Weckl is not cocky. He just exudes confidence. This can be confused with cockiness. Take Care and Play On!

[stevedrum]

My favourite drummer. Brilliant feel, beat, and solos

[Mapex589]

Despite whether or not you are a fan of Dave Weckl I wanted to post a quick review of his concert and clinic that I attended over the weekend. The show was great I caught first set and part of the second set. The first set was great, I had a great seat at the front table off to the side where I had a great view of his left hand. I was amazed just watching that hand. His ghost notes were so sweet and his singles were excecuted beautifullyl. He is amazing to watch. At the second set I move to a table close to the door so I could split a little early and got to watch his right hand. That limb is just as amazing to watch as the left. He really was amazing to watch. They did a lot of the same music second set but that is because Dave admitted they had only been playing together as a group since August. They filled a lot of time just playing some old jazz standards which was pretty cool too. Great show...worth the $30.

The clinic was a lot of fun. I would not call him the greatest clinician but he was good. He talked a lot about grip and position of the drums. I liked the fact that he stressed you should not let the drums dictate where you place them....you play the drums, don't let the drums play you. He would show excersises that only he can pull off but he did show the basics of what he was pulling off first. You know, I kind of knew I was really just going to see him play without his band which was great to see too. Not the best clinic I have attended but I did enjoy it. He was very cool afterwards and was willing to talk to everyone. I like Weckl....he is amazing to watch.

[michael drums]

Despite whether or not you are a fan of Dave Weckl I wanted to post a quick review of his concert and clinic that I attended over the weekend. The show was great I caught first set and part of the second set. The first set was great, I had a great seat at the front table off to the side where I had a great view of his left hand. I was amazed just watching that hand. His ghost notes were so sweet and his singles were excecuted beautifullyl. He is amazing to watch. At the second set I move to a table close to the door so I could split a little early and got to watch his right hand. That limb is just as amazing to watch as the left. He really was amazing to watch. They did a lot of the same music second set but that is because Dave admitted they had only been playing together as a group since August. They filled a lot of time just playing some old jazz standards which was pretty cool too. Great show...worth the $30.

The clinic was a lot of fun. I would not call him the greatest clinician but he was good. He talked a lot about grip and position of the drums. I liked the fact that he stressed you should not let the drums dictate where you place them....you play the drums, don't let the drums play you. He would show excersises that only he can pull off but he did show the basics of what he was pulling off first. You know, I kind of knew I was really just going to see him play without his band which was great to see too. Not the best clinic I have attended but I did enjoy it. He was very cool afterwards and was willing to talk to everyone. I like Weckl....he is amazing to watch.

Great review, Mapex. I woulda' loved to have been there for that Weckl clinic and show. $30.00 for that is a steal! To see one of the top drummers do a clinic and perform is always a treat. And Weckl will never dissapoint. Thanks alot...Play On! ;-)

[timebandit]

I was also fortunate enough to catch Dave weckl in Palatine IL. I would not consider it a clinic, although he did one heck of a solo in the middle of the set, it was more of concert of the whole band. They did more jazz standard than any thing, which was actually pretty incredible stuff. Dave has really grown as a jazz-fusionist. His has an unbelievable sennse of time and touch. The accenting on a variety of surfaces, weather it a drum, cymbal, or bell was unreal. His dbl strokes were just so smooth and fast. The second part of the show was more groove oriented, with a pretty awsome bass/drums solo.It's been probably ten yrs,if not longer since I've seen him,but i'm here to tell ya, the guys twice the drummer he was back then, and back THEN he was a God,now ..........there's not a word that can even desribe him.

[michael drums]

I was also fortunate enough to catch Dave weckl in Palatine IL. I would not consider it a clinic, although he did one heck of a solo in the middle of the set, it was more of concert of the whole band. They did more jazz standard than any thing, which was actually pretty incredible stuff. Dave has really grown as a jazz-fusionist. His has an unbelievable sennse of time and touch. The accenting on a variety of surfaces, weather it a drum, cymbal, or bell was unreal. His dbl strokes were just so smooth and fast. The second part of the show was more groove oriented, with a pretty awsome bass/drums solo.It's been probably ten yrs,if not longer since I've seen him,but i'm here to tell ya, the guys twice the drummer he was back then, and back THEN he was a God,now ..........there's not a word that can even desribe him.

Thanks tb. Very detailed review and well written. Sure makes me wanna see him ASAP!
If he's twice the drummer he was, OMG! You're right. There's no word that can describe him, now. Gotta find out when he'll be around here. Thanks again...Play On! ;-)

[Tama Player]

Check Dave Weckl out with his hair!

here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPiAWfprCzI&mode=related&search=)

Peace
AGR

[glen thomas]

I was extremely lucky to see Dave Weckl AND John Patitucci do a drum/bass clinic quite a few years ago. I got to meet both of them and all I can say is that the experience changed my life musically. Both Dave and John were absolutely great to talk to and answered the tons of questions I threw at them. As for the show, Dave and John are so far beyond what you actually see in their instructional videos and on CD. It's so overwhelming that they both just don't seem human when it comes to their skills as musicians. To top things off, Dave is a fantastic sound engineer and did his own P.A. mix.

I have a lot of favourite drummers but Dave Weckl and Buddy Rich top the list. I was lucky enough to see both in concert which was just icing on the cake. I can die happy now.. |O|

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/BarkingEye/Glen%20Thomas/DaveGlen2.jpg

[jazzdrummer0829]

I'm going to see him on tuesday, really excited for that.
just wondering, does anybody know back in the day when he played zildjian what he used?

[michael drums]

Yea, I'm going to see him on Wednesday! WOW!! I can't wait...Play On! ;-)

[just_play]

Dave Weckl, few days ago show with Super Fusion at Java Jazz festival.

[michael drums]

Well, the Weckl show was last night, and I had a FANTASTIC seat to see him in "full flight!" As you may already know, he's touring with Brian Brombergs' Downright Upright Allstars. And these guys aim to please! WOW! You talk about incredible musicians!

You have Bromberg on upright acoustic bass, who in my opinion, is one of THE best bass players in the world! BAR NONE! He left me with my jaw draggin' on the floor walkin' outta the Rams Head Tavern, in Annapolis, where they played last night.

Then you have Jeff Lorber on piano...OMG! All the accolades you've ever heard about Lorber are absolutely TRUE! The guy "diddled that ivory" like NO ONE I've ever seen, short of Keith Emerson! They call Lorber "The Godfather", and I can certaintly see and hear why!

There's Gary Meek on the tenor saxophone! I honestly haven't heard alot about Meek in the past, BUT I will definitely try to hear more of him from now on! He's a MONSTER with that sax! So quick and fluent without losing ANY musicality! I recommend anyone to check out his discography! You WON'T be dissapointed!

And, how 'bout Randy Brecker! He needs NO introduction! He's played with SO MANY of the greats, Cobham, Pastorius, Coryell, Zappa, and, of course, he was on the first Blood, Sweat, and Tears album in 1968! And everybody remembers the years with his younger brother, Michael, who we just recently lost. The Brecker Brothers were big from '75 to '82, when they split and Randy hooked up with Jaco to record and tour with his band. He reunited with Michael in 2001 to record and tour with him! It is an honor to the DUA, to have him touring with them, and it definitely showed last night. What a performance by Randy! He sounds so lively and fresh with that trumpet of his!! Ummm...Bravo!

And as far as the drummer goes...AGAIN, HE needs no intro! Dave Weckl is such an inspiration to me, and last nights' performance was absolutely NO exception! I had an incredible view of him 'cause his set was sideways to my view. I was sitting in the front of the stage only 1 table from the front row. Couldn't of asked for a better place to be at The Rams Head! Weckl's bass foot work in PERFECT syncopation with his high-hat was in full view and I was just "glued" to that sight all night! I got some really EXCELLENT video of him on my video-phone, and I've been watching it over and over again, today!

He did a brush solo near, the end of the show, that made my head spin! OMG! Can a human being really do that?!! HOLY S*#T!! If you have a chance to see Weckl on this tour, and you are a fan of drums...YOU REALLY NEED TO SEE HIM play with these guys! You'd be making a HUGE mistake not to! I HIGHLY recommend getting tickets to see the Downright Upright Allstars! What a show...Play On! ;-)

[murphinelli]

Thanks!!! Now you're really making me jealous!! I was going to see them tonight in Boston....However, I have a rehearsal for my church's easter concert...:-(

Been listening to a lot of Brian Bromberg lately. Don't have the new album yet...But, will soon.

[michael drums]

Thanks!!! Now you're really making me jealous!! I was going to see them tonight in Boston....However, I have a rehearsal for my church's easter concert...:-(

Been listening to a lot of Brian Bromberg lately. Don't have the new album yet...But, will soon.

You're welcome, murph! Sorry to make ya jealous, but I'm only speaking from the heart!

That's too bad you won't see them tonight, but that church concert is more important! Good Luck with the show at Easter! ;-)

Yea, Brian Bromberg is INCREDIBLE!! Just blew me away, last night! You should pick up his new one! It's got some fantastic players on it, INCLUDING Vinnie Colaiuta! I highly recommend it! They were selling it at the show last night, so I think it's in stores! Check it out! It won't dissapoint...Play On! ;-)

[adrian]

The pantheon you don't get consists of some of the best drummers alive, not based only on their very good technical playing, but for their high demand to play for anyone.

No punk rocker drummer can play these guys' parts, but all these guys can play punk rock. Its really that easy.

If you have the highest technical skills possible, and can play anything, that makes you good.

Just look at Vinny Colaiuta and Steve Gadd's discography for starters.

Just watch Steve Smith, for crying out loud. If you can't see why he is on top of the drumming world, then I can't really say anything more about it.

Weckl is a matter of taste, but there is no denying his ability. And his drum sound is one of the best recorded.

Well put, he is really tight when it comes to technical skill, and he is very strong as a result. He's not at all predictable, and I don't ever recall him doing the same thing twice.

[jazzdrummer0829]

Yea, Brian Bromberg is INCREDIBLE!! Just blew me away, last night! You should pick up his new one! It's got some fantastic players on it, INCLUDING Vinnie Colaiuta! I highly recommend it! They were selling it at the show last night, so I think it's in stores! Check it out! It won't dissapoint...Play On! ;-)

yes! Bromberg really put together some amazing musicians, i just bought it, "Downright Upright", highly recommended
i may be wrong, but i believe almost all of the tracks are Vinnie Colaiuta?

[michael drums]

yes! Bromberg really put together some amazing musicians, i just bought it, "Downright Upright", highly recommended
i may be wrong, but i believe almost all of the tracks are Vinnie Colaiuta?

Yes! ALL the drum tracks ARE Vinnie, jazzdrummer! If my memory serves me correctly. And yes, each musician is TOP NOTCH...Play On! ;-)

[KzSgDrummer]

"No punk rocker drummer can play these guys' parts, but all these guys can play punk rock."

Yeah Weckl could play the notes of a punk groove, but I doubt he could get the raw and gritty vibe down. IMO he's too polished to pull it off.

[dawg]

HOW can you ever be "too polished" or too good? isn't that what we drummers strive for? yes,he could play punk if he chose with the vibe just as well as punk drummers... . but i could never see weckl doing that.

[tamadrummer132]

i kinda of got lost in some of his doubles, but his grooves werre great.

BTW. his mullet was...unique

[KzSgDrummer]

HOW can you ever be "too polished" or too good?

You know how Weckl has (or at least had back in the Electrik Band days) some critics out there, that he's too machine-like? Those critics were complaining because they heard something that they felt was "too polished." I know that some people wouldn't agree with my opinion, but I whole-heartedly think that you can be too refined and perfect, Weckl being perhaps Exhibit A in my argument. Don't get me wrong, I really like Dave's playing, and the original Electrik Band album is a personal favorite of mine, but I don't love him. I suppose I'd rather listen to someone gritty like Billy Martin or Mike Clark.

About the punk comment, I really don't think he could get that attitude down. It's gotta be sloppy-but-together in a way that is entirely uncalculated and unthinking, and yet Dave is a VERY cerebral drummer.

[michael drums]

You know how Weckl has (or at least had back in the Electrik Band days) some critics out there, that he's too machine-like? Those critics were complaining because they heard something that they felt was "too polished." I know that some people wouldn't agree with my opinion, but I whole-heartedly think that you can be too refined and perfect, Weckl being perhaps Exhibit A in my argument. Don't get me wrong, I really like Dave's playing, and the original Electrik Band album is a personal favorite of mine, but I don't love him. I suppose I'd rather listen to someone gritty like Billy Martin or Mike Clark.

About the punk comment, I really don't think he could get that attitude down. It's gotta be sloppy-but-together in a way that is entirely uncalculated and unthinking, and yet Dave is a VERY cerebral drummer.

Well, KzSgDrummer...have you ever seen Weckl live? I just did 4 nights ago from 10 feet away, and I have to tell ya...He was as "improv" as any drummer out there! And I got some GREAT video to back that up!

To describe what I SAW, the other night, would be FAR from "too refined and "too perfect", 'cause I BELIEVE those descriptions are NOT accurate or possible!

That's just MHO, and you would agree with me if you had been there Wednesday night to see DW perform his wonderful set with incredible style and precision, without being "robotic", as it seems SOME say he plays like!

Go see him with The Downright Upright Allstars, and see for yourself...Play On! ;-)

[KzSgDrummer]

I've seen him live once, which was at the Drummer's Collective's 25th anniversary concert (you can see me on the DVD for about 4 seconds!) when he did the sick rendition of The Chicken. I have strong memories (or at least impressions) of Weckl's drumming on that song. And if I haven't already made it clear: I am a fan of Dave's; it's just I have no intention of copying his sound.

But overall we have differing opinions, in that I do believe there is such a thing as being "too refined" and "too perfect." A machine is perfect, yet I'm left feeling cold when listening to it -- why? Same thing goes with drummers. Weckl's early playing is nothing short of top-notch, yet I recoil from it in the same way I do when I hear a CD or mp3 that is overly bright and "crystally" -- it just sounds too crisp and clean for its own good. I'm human, and I want to hear the occasional imperfections and screw-ups.

But again, this is my personal taste -- I know I'm making very few friends by saying this stuff.

PS: Bromberg and crew were in Boston on Thursday.. three days ago. D'oh!

[michael drums]

I've seen him live once, which was at the Drummer's Collective's 25th anniversary concert (you can see me on the DVD for about 4 seconds!) when he did the sick rendition of The Chicken. I have strong memories (or at least impressions) of Weckl's drumming on that song. And if I haven't already made it clear: I am a fan of Dave's; it's just I have no intention of copying his sound.

But overall we have differing opinions, in that I do believe there is such a thing as being "too refined" and "too perfect." A machine is perfect, yet I'm left feeling cold when listening to it -- why? Same thing goes with drummers. Weckl's early playing is nothing short of top-notch, yet I recoil from it in the same way I do when I hear a CD or mp3 that is overly bright and "crystally" -- it just sounds too crisp and clean for its own good. I'm human, and I want to hear the occasional imperfections and screw-ups.

But again, this is my personal taste -- I know I'm making very few friends by saying this stuff.

PS: Bromberg and crew were in Boston on Thursday.. three days ago. D'oh!

Aww...You missed your chance to see him! Yea, they played in Annapolis, Md at The Rams Head Tavern, the night before Boston! A FANTASTIC small venue for shows! And I couldn't of asked for a better seat as far as watching Weckl. It was an exceptional spot in reference to his set-up! A side view, totally unobstructed, and only ten or so feet away!

So you can see, that my review I posted on Thursday, was a "spot on" rendition of the evenings' event! And Weckl was "spot on" with his performance!

Though I disagree with the "too refined", etc...opinion of his playing, I concur with you about his "early playing" without the part about it sounding "too crisp and clean".

Play On! ;-)

[syoshii]

My personal opinion...as a drummer, I admire his awesome technique. He can play almost every technique ever invented for drumset, very smoothly and fluent. But as a listener, I must confess that I don't get excited very much by his play.
I think...it's really hard to describe it by words...his play sounds "flat" for me. Of course there is a wide range of dynamics in volume, and there are a lot of notes between the bars, but no extreme overwhelming tension, nor totally laid-back relaxed mood, basically just flat morerate all the way through. So I can't feel his emotion through his playing. Sometimes I feel like studying math when I hear his playing.

[LinearDrummer]

For any of you guys that say "Weckl always overplays" check out the new Jeff Lorber CD He had a hat ....

Dave is puttin down some monster paradiddle grooves on a couple of songs and a latin groove on another....Hes really showing his other side and playing in the pocket....

Oh and Vinnie is on five tracks also with Abe Jr filling out the rest.....
Its a great CD by a real jazz fusion legend.....

[jonny]

For any of you guys that say "Weckl always overplays" check out the new Jeff Lorber CD He had a hat ....

Or Frank Gambale's Thinking out Loud. Don't know whether its been discussed, can't be bothered with whole thread, but any Weckl fans who don't have this yet need it. A brilliant side to him.

[harry_GR]

As many of you said, Mr Weckl is an excellent drummer with finished technique and a perfect sound...

But the "problem" is that his musicians play over his rhythmic paths instead of the reverse.
His work is referring to the drummers, not to everyone...

He needs more music...

and of course all these are well-meant... you know that!

His technique developing dvd made me much more better a drummer, and his signature sticks are my favorite...

[harry_GR]

hey guys...

What do you prefer?

D.Weckl's sabian cymbals or the previous Zildjian selection???


I think that the zildjians are far away better...

[alien123]

My personal opinion...as a drummer, I admire his awesome technique. He can play almost every technique ever invented for drumset, very smoothly and fluent. But as a listener, I must confess that I don't get excited very much by his play.
I think...it's really hard to describe it by words...his play sounds "flat" for me. Of course there is a wide range of dynamics in volume, and there are a lot of notes between the bars, but no extreme overwhelming tension, nor totally laid-back relaxed mood, basically just flat morerate all the way through. So I can't feel his emotion through his playing. Sometimes I feel like studying math when I hear his playing.


that is your problem


if he is flat !!!!!!!! he\s solos and drumming never gets boring!!!!!


relaxed ..........the most relaxed drummer on world!!!!! with all milion ghost notes between ??????? try to play all that we will talk another time!!!!!

[alien123]

My personal opinion...as a drummer, I admire his awesome technique. He can play almost every technique ever invented for drumset, very smoothly and fluent. But as a listener, I must confess that I don't get excited very much by his play.
I think...it's really hard to describe it by words...his play sounds "flat" for me. Of course there is a wide range of dynamics in volume, and there are a lot of notes between the bars, but no extreme overwhelming tension, nor totally laid-back relaxed mood, basically just flat morerate all the way through. So I can't feel his emotion through his playing. Sometimes I feel like studying math when I hear his playing.




maybe should hear virgil donati "if don't like math" with his boring calculus and operations

[Miron]

I really like the guy... I mean what's not to like about Dave Weckl. The guy is an institution...just here his playing on Master Plan, or any other solo album...I admire him because he really get the point...His tehnique was not so good when he became popular in mid 80'...he realized that and almost completly rebuild his style...it takes great personality to do that...Now he's got great sound, and great tehnique...but there is something on his playing that I don't really like...sometimes he is overplaying...and the perfect example for that is song chicken originaly performed by Jaco Pastorius and Erskine on drums.

[radeq]

i like his sabian series better then zildjian, sabian fits better to him. and personaly i loved weckl on synergy album, on the other albums i just like him, there is too much of him, that's truth, although it is perfect and amazing playing.

[Frank]

Dave is an amazing player - and a fantastic educator.

Most of us can only Wish we get anywhere Near his level of playing - or hours logged as a pro.

Weckl is the among the best of the best.

[BrynnerAgassi]

Dave Weckl = GREAT!

Bar none, one of, if not the most influential drummers of our times...
I am sure almost everysingle one of us picked up "Back to Basics", I know I did, andthat was the turning point for myself... I know before that video I was really into what I saw on Mtv, VH1, and just other drummers around. Mouth wide opened I would say "WOW I wish I could be like Lars Ulrich and Tommy Lee"... Well I went to Guitar Center and my dad and I asked the guy which video I can buy that will really give me a closer view of drumming and really just give me a new way of thinking... Well Back to Basics is what I got, and never stopped buying Dave's material there after...

His touch, technique, style, groove, solos is just simply great...

Ya his style may not be for everyone, but when talking about a drummer llike Weckl, I really really doubt we as musicians, not even drummers, just musicians, sit back and say "Naaa dont think I would wanna work with him"... IMHO, I think he is one of the most versital drummers out there...

Today there are a lot of other drummers that can come out and show their chops off, and really give an amazing solo...

But again, IMHO NONE of them have the feel of Weckl... Thomas Lang is probably the only one that MAY come close... And even Thomas Lang may have not had the same musical feel as did Dave, in Thomas's first instructional video... But I believe he is the closest...

Just my thoughts, my opinions, I have always been influenced by Weckl and continue to be...

[Laurent]

I really dig Weckl with his solo band. The first three albums have a great funky touch whereas the rest of his albums are much more fusionesque. I agree that Weckl sometimes overplay. That's the reason why one of his ex- bandmate stopped playing with him. He did not want to be in a "drum solo band" :-)

Personally I think Weckl is really unique. His feel and his sound are unmistakable. For those who think that he cannot groove or swing listen to The Honeydrippers (with Robert Plant and Jimmy Page) and Jay Graydon's "Bebop" albums.

A friend of mine hired Weckl to play on some of his stuff..... He is not cheap but it is amazing to see how much he brings on the table, how he brings a song to a much higher level. Some of my friend's stuff was recorded with a very very good local drummer/teacher and sound excellent. But when you listen to the tunes with Weckl you're in a different world. The whole band sound much better.

[aegir77]

i think we all have to learn to receive and enjoy what every good drummer has to offer. Yes he may overplay sometimes, and the songs may be built around him, but that's exactly the concept of his band.
... he's a great drummer with amazing technique and he continues to grow in technique and sound... He's not ( that we know of) as versatile as Vinnie for example, and he doesn't get as many jobs recording with artists as Gadd did or Vinnie does. But maybe he doesn't want to do that..
If you listen to him you can learn a lot and he's one of those drummers who doesn't get stuck and in every new CD or DVD he has new things to show us or to help us become better drummers.

[slingerland755]

I was fortunate enough to see Dave play with CC back in 1989/90. It was the only concert I have ever gone to where all of the members of the band had an instructional video for sale(along with the T-shirts) at the front gate. Dave opened the second set with a twenty minute drum solo. I'm not really big on drum solos (except when it's from one of the masters).

My EXwife and I split up that night, but at least I got to see Dave play.

[t_rav]

does any one here feels like doesnt understand his solos?
like.. i think hes an awsome player.. and ive learned a lot from his instructional videos.. but i dont really understand his drumming.. (mostly the solos.. like the one on the beggining of "Back to basics")
is it just me?

[Erik Lund]

"He's not ( that we know of) as versatile as Vinnie for example, and he doesn't get as many jobs recording with artists as Gadd did or Vinnie does. But maybe he doesn't want to do that.."


I have all three of them lumped into the same category for me. Not sure what muzak in the world needs what you refer to as a more versatile Vinnie rather than Weckl...


I just feel there's a bit of a barrier between drummers of the jazz nature and the other drummers of many different kinds of nature - when they refer to players like Weckl and Vinnie and Bissionette as "jazz" drummers or "jazzy" or whatever. I don't know any serious jazz drummers who are listening to these guys for jazz...

Could just be me though.

[flugadaflum]

"He's not ( that we know of) as versatile as Vinnie for example, and he doesn't get as many jobs recording with artists as Gadd did or Vinnie does. But maybe he doesn't want to do that.."


I have all three of them lumped into the same category for me. Not sure what muzak in the world needs what you refer to as a more versatile Vinnie rather than Weckl...


I just feel there's a bit of a barrier between drummers of the jazz nature and the other drummers of many different kinds of nature - when they refer to players like Weckl and Vinnie and Bissionette as "jazz" drummers or "jazzy" or whatever. I don't know any serious jazz drummers who are listening to these guys for jazz...

Could just be me though.

this is true. pure modern jazz drummers are guys like lewis nash, watts, riley, stewart, erskine, etc. although out of those three up there i think vinnie is the most legit when it comes to straight up jazz. he just doesnt put himself in pure jazz situations that often. obviously weckl and bissonette can play jazz damn fine, but i think vinnie can dial in the style the best.

[Dibalo Jonze]

I'm glad it seems that most people in this thread enjoy and appreciate Dave, and I can't blame those who say Dave's not their cup of tea....

but it blows my mind when people say he's unoriginal or boring!!!

He's the extreme opposite fo me

But what I like most about Dave, as well as some of my other favs, is that he makes the drums a LEAD instrument, while also playing the drummer's role by holding down a groove a keeping time. His amazing chops just don't get in the way of his primary responsibilities

Busy, highly technical playing may not be your favorite but u cannot deny his creativity, phrasing, and execution.

[xMrJeffx]

Hey what do you guys think of Dave Weckl? I like his set up, His style, and His Sound.
What do u guys think?

Jeff

[dpf]

I had the privilege of seeing Dave do a clinic in Milwaukee Wisconsin about 10 months ago. He put on a great show, was very personable and seems like he would be a great teacher. He offered a lot of in-depth information and I think ran about a half hour over.
I have seen clips of his videos but don’t own any yet.

Happy holidays

dan

[yamaman]

Completely not my style of drummer, but as I was not playing for around 20 years, I recently heard him on this site and was amazed. The comment of making the drums the lead instrument while holding a groove (and quite a groove it is) covers it best. Wish I had 1/2 his talent.

I bought one of his cd and book combos, but the cd only plays in my computer, not my cd player. The bad part of this is that the computer at my kit has a dead cd drive.

Dave is exciting to hear and watch, wish they would promote shows like his in the Boston area. Happy new year.

[Tyr]

does any one here feels like doesnt understand his solos?

I feel the opposite. I find his solos tell a story and no matter how many times I listen to them I always here something new and musical. One of my favourite soloists.

but it blows my mind when people say he's unoriginal or boring!!!

Me too, Dave spawned many clones of his playing style. I can always pick out Dave's playing though, he has a unique sound and feel in his playing (the same way Virgil Donati does for me.)

[remoAKA]

"No punk rocker drummer can play these guys' parts, but all these guys can play punk rock."

Yeah Weckl could play the notes of a punk groove, but I doubt he could get the raw and gritty vibe down. IMO he's too polished to pull it off.

I attended Dave's master class at Drumtech (London) last week. I can tell you, that guy can lay down a fat rock groove. He's not all Jazz.

The lesson was a real eye opener. He's technique is fantastic - so loose and fluent.

He spoke about how and why his setup and technique has changed over the years and it seems to me that he's a lot more about feel and groove than before.

He also mentioned that during that day, he was checking out his videos on Youtube and reading the comments of others! So, Dave if you're reading... Great class. Respect!

[LaCorleone]

I adore Dave Weckl...I love everything about his drum playing. He's such an inspiration. The main thing I like about him is that his playing and solos sounds absolutely mind-blowing, yet they are totally understandable and playable and they still have the groove...they just need a lot of practice...hours and hours of practice...

[sayotsma]

This guy is simply a genius.

[ZildjianMan1023]

i love dave weckl, you can tell hes getting old though

i recently dug up a sabian dvd from a year or two ago. and man, its sad to see weckl age

hes amazing!

and he talks cool

if you see him with his band its just incredible the chemistry they have



amazing

[Butch Axsmith]

Dave Weckl knows ' what its all about ////
Butch Axsmith

[Baddstuff]

wow, some of the negative comments about Weckl are real eye openers. Of course not everyone sees or hears things the same so I'm not surprised. I've seen Weckl numerous times and I think hes one of the best drummers out there now, at what he does. His technique is solid and he has superb control on the kit. His playing on the Latin style tunes is very good.
Someone said they didn't care for Weckl's work with Michel Camilo and prefer his current drummer. I've seen Camilo with Dafnis and Dafnis was great. Do I prefer Dafnis over Weckl?
Not really. Each brings something different to the table and it's basically a matter of what your taste is. Even if I didn't care for Weckl's music I'd still give him high marks for his abilities. Hard for me to find fault with his considerable abilities. If I did I'd be nitpicking.

[Drumsword]

I saw weckl in clinic last night in Falmouth, Maine and it was the most informative, educational clinic I've attended yet, much more so then, donati, bozzio, even Thomas Lang's. I learned a lot of new techniques I'd overlooked that I will be starting to work on, as well as ergonomic drum placement.

His chops were amazing, and he even demonstrated some Heavy rock grooves that were killer, to show a proper and improper way of pulling them off. If you get the chance, don't miss him.

Although after the show when he was signing autographs he seemd stressed.

[thiscocks]

For any of you guys that say "Weckl always overplays" check out the new Jeff Lorber CD He had a hat ....

Dave is puttin down some monster paradiddle grooves on a couple of songs and a latin groove on another....Hes really showing his other side and playing in the pocket....

Oh and Vinnie is on five tracks also with Abe Jr filling out the rest.....
Its a great CD by a real jazz fusion legend.....

Do you have a list of who plays on which song? I only downloaded the mp3s. Quite hard to distinguish who is who...

Cheers,
Tim

[Drumsword]

Have you listened to Weckls 'Master Plan' or 'Hard Wired' albums? These show musical, AND technical drumming. There is no way you can say Weckl isn't musical! If he wasn't he wouldn't be a successfull studio drummer, full stop. Much prefer Weckl as a technical drummer to Steve Smith, and I think his style is smoother and sometimes preferable to Vinnies when they go onto more technical stuff...

Master Plan and synergy are my 2 fave weckl cd's. Awesome stuff. And your absolutely correct If weckl wasn't a Musical player....he wouldn't be playing. He and Vinnie are huge influences for me. Not that i'd ever be worthy to even polish their drums, lol.

[the skin man]

Did anyone go to the clinic in Hollywood Florida? I liked it, but I wish he would've played more and talked less. I also think he sounds better when his drums are tuned differently.

[Kevinm]

Yup was at the Weckle clinic in Hollywood Fla. I thought he did a great job. Gave some really good tips. I really liked the Sabian Evolutions. Funny thing is the new Sabian Evolutions HH don't sound any different to me then my current discontinued Sabian Flat hats!
Yamaha wnats a lot of green for the Phoenix series. Not so sure they are worth it. Don't get me wrong I play Yamaha.

The clinic would have been better if he had some backup players. If you ever have seen him with a band, he feeds off the members, and the exchanges are pretty creative. So from that perspective he was not in his glory the other night. All in all he still is one of the top players in my book!

[Derek Roddy]

I was there as well.
Hung out after wards at Jeffs place with Dave and the crew.

That kit isn't as much as Darrell said it was. About half that but...still high dollar.
Played it after and they do have an interesting sound. To me though....sounds like a drum! Haha.

Dave always knows what to do in each situation and I enjoyed the clinic.

I tell ya though....after playing and hanging at the MD fest all weekend...only to come home and do it another day.....I'm all drummed out!
Haha.

Cheers guys.
D.

[LinearDrummer]

Do you have a list of who plays on which song? I only downloaded the mp3s. Quite hard to distinguish who is who...

Cheers,
Tim
Here U go -

Weckl plays on
4. Surreptitions
10. Super fusion Unit
13 Burn brightly

Most of the straight pocket grooves are Abe and Vinnie plays the jazzier swing stuff....

[thiscocks]

Here U go -

Weckl plays on
4. Surreptitions
10. Super fusion Unit
13 Burn brightly

Most of the straight pocket grooves are Abe and Vinnie plays the jazzier swing stuff....


Great, cheers. Thought that fill in track 4 was him! Also I think on track 10 that is one of the nicest grooves ive heard him play...Sweet! Anyone who says he can't groove should listen to it...

[Andy Borghi]

He's mainstream?!?! you have got to be kidding me. showme another drummer anything close to dave. and if you haven't checked out his band's cd (live and very plugged in) and then tell me that's "mainstream" i don't hear any other drummers with dave's style, or feel. he plays such odd timings, and has such a sweet style playin his bongo's and djemba dealy. i dunno, but this quote is way off dave, you must be talking about a different drummer.

I agree...I beleive that Dave Weckl's sound is quite unique... he has such amazing sensitivity...so many colours, just great. I have heard many people saying that they don t like him, and I just dont get them.
Hes one of my 3 favorites by far....along with gadd and cobham.

[blink44]

i've heard he practiced for 12-14 hours when he was young......

[silageman]

Dave weckl is a great drummer and probaly a great guy aswell but i find he kinda tries to show of and recks the music, i remember listening to him at a friends of mine and i nearly hade to ask him turn if off i just couldent listen to it it was just pure cheese (eleavator music ha) I find at times he tends to overpower the music and the band, But dont get me wrong he's a great musician and when he need's to can really Groove and lay it down.!If only he held back at times and thought about the music/band as a hole he could be The best.
It's all about the Groove..Without it thers nothing else......!

All the best
Eoin o dowd

[JoBoSo]

A lot of people say he overplays ...

Then you see him live and you know he was still holding back on the recording ;-)

I believe that DW is the most gifted drummer. I really appreciate his dedication to lifting drumming to new heights.

[ZildjianMan1023]

the guy is amazing....

hands down

he has so much control over his sticks its incredible

i hear hes more a jazz drummer. but the way he uses double bass is unimaginable.

its crazy how many accents you thought you couldnt have, but when dave gets on the kit its like

...warm apple pie

[LinearDrummer]

The Weckler has a new demo on Yamaha's website....He shows ninja like precision and grace as he demonstrates the sounds of the new PHX drums.....

http://www.yamaha-drums.co.uk/media/index.html

Enjoy!

[Muckster]

i've heard he practiced for 12-14 hours when he was young......

Didn't we all when we were young?

[RUBB3R DUCKIE5]

Dave I think is a great drummer, He's not all that of a Jazz drummer though like the ride patterns he does is more of a progressive rock pattern.
I'm not a big Jazz drummer though...
He's gotta be out of my top 5 fave. Drummers he's probably my 4th.