Want to learn them Gospelchops...! [Archive] - DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM

Zorlee

06-10-2008, 06:50 PM

Hi, fellow drummers!
I've been playing the drums for quite some time now (about 9 years I guess), and all that time I've been amazed by the sound of the afro-american gospel-drummers of the US. The sound, speed, combinations and TIME is just simply amazing in some bands.
Here's some examples of the style I'm talking about:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YZRiacQSUjQ (Mint Condition - R'n'b stuff, with what I believe is Chris Dave on the drums... Some sick stuff!)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xh3-s4lEW3w (THE man Aaron Spears)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1xwtyVrR...feature=related (Another great drummer)

I know there's a lot of gospel drummers here on the pdf (some better than others of course). What would you guys suggest to practise to get this style up and running? After all, I've played for quite some time, so I'm not a beginner. The things I really want to learn is the feel, the sound and of course the crazy chops stuff. What music would you guys suggest listening to?
Anything is helpful! And NOOOO I'm not talking about that ugly hill-song-worship-wannabe-gospel-music... I'm talking about sweet sounding gospel/r'n'b music.

Thank you guys in advance!
Zorlee...

mhanon13

06-10-2008, 08:51 PM

Indeed, I have always been amazed by the way afro-american drummers play drums... so fantastic... cool feeling and fast badass chops!...

Check this out..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nu07-DvdYxg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JclA9PXMrAk

That guy is amazing, seriously I would love to play like he does...

I do not even know that genre is that on drums.... cause when I search about gospel it is something totally different.. when it's r&b, something very slow.. hip-hop something almost like rap...

but what kind of playing is this? how did they learn all of this chops? those cool grooves? the thing is i haven't seen any white or latino jamming like that.. hehe (no offense, I am latino)

any instructional book or dvd in this awesome grooves and fast bad-ass chops?

Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan

06-11-2008, 02:35 AM

dmb_drummer

06-11-2008, 03:26 AM

What would you guys suggest to practise to get this style up and running? After all, I've played for quite some time, so I'm not a beginner. The things I really want to learn is the feel, the sound and of course the crazy chops stuff. What music would you guys suggest listening to?
Anything is helpful! And NOOOO I'm not talking about that ugly hill-song-worship-wannabe-gospel-music... I'm talking about sweet sounding gospel/r'n'b music.

Thank you guys in advance!
Zorlee...

WOOOOOT GOSPEL THREAD! I started really getting into gospel about a year ago when I discovered Teddy Campbell, Aaron Spears, Gerald Heyward, and Marvin Mcquitty. It's mega fun to play. I suggest that you listen to funk and apply that to gospel. Focus on grooving and playing fills over grooves. I also suggest that you listen to some "Tye Tribbet & The G.A. LIVE" album. Spanky is really tearin it up on that, especially on the song "Bless The Lord".

the thing is i haven't seen any white or latino jamming like that.. hehe (no offense, I am latino)

any instructional book or dvd in this awesome grooves and fast bad-ass chops?

HAHAHAHAHA I LOVED THAT! But honestly, I wanna see a white guy doing that. Or Latino (I'm latino).

But anyways, I did a search, and Pat Petrillo did some gospel stuff on Youtube.

mhanon13

06-11-2008, 03:28 AM

That was funny! The guy is so in love with his own chops, there is NO need for anyone but him! The band plays on the tape, but he is in the middle of an incredibly complicated fill and has totally lost the time by the time he is done. He has time to slip the camera a loving smile before he stops the beat to find the time again...

I would take a less technical drummer who just listens to the band, any day...

Casper

aaaawwwww.. come on man! you've gotta admit you like the guy... that is in a church in atlanta... there are other fella drummmers there... seems to be like they film themselves playing over tapes to show off their incredible chops... look for the other drummers there in its youtube page...

I would like to play like him... (but being on time after those super fast chops!) LOL

jasonrhcp

06-11-2008, 03:54 AM

Pat Petrillo is one sick drummer..Check this out from his DVD..
He shows you exactly how to play linear type fill stuff...Off the chain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMOZXZlOWZw

Check his page , too..

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Pat_Petrillo.html

J

byronand

06-11-2008, 04:28 AM

Hi, fellow drummers!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xh3-s4lEW3w (THE man Aaron Spears)
Zorlee...

Unless I'm mistaken in my understanding of basic physics, The Man rips-up the fabric of space/time at @ 1:18 to 1:24. I'm surprised we're all still here! ;)

Great clip!

bballdrummer34

06-11-2008, 07:18 AM

I've always wondered as well where do their style of playing comes from, the intricate hi-hat patterns etc.. can anyone shed -ahah- some light about this style of drumming? historical considerations welcome

what I think happened is someone figure out that if you spread triplets and sixteenth notes out throughout your limbs, you find you get a lot of untraceable rhythmic displacement. If you slow down a lot of that you find there are doing a lot of triplets between bass drum, toms, and cymbal. And, if you REALLY want to get deep about it, it all came from Tony Williams.

Zorlee

06-11-2008, 11:58 AM

Unless I'm mistaken in my understanding of basic physics, The Man rips-up the fabric of space/time at @ 1:18 to 1:24. I'm surprised we're all still here! ;)

Great clip!

Hahaha! True! It's insane...!

Bernhard

06-11-2008, 01:17 PM

Unless I'm mistaken in my understanding of basic physics, The Man rips-up the fabric of space/time at @ 1:18 to 1:24. I'm surprised we're all still here! ;)

Great clip!

The tape broke and messed up during the performance - so he had to start new (Modern Drummer Festival)

I feel so unhappy, that you always link to the youtube video. This original DrummerworldVideo is here - also with a Slowmotion Segment:

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Aaron_Spears.html

Aaron is such a nice guy and a great great drummer!!!

Bernhard

cantstandyourfunk

06-11-2008, 01:32 PM

what I think happened is someone figure out that if you spread triplets and sixteenth notes out throughout your limbs, you find you get a lot of untraceable rhythmic displacement. If you slow down a lot of that you find there are doing a lot of triplets between bass drum, toms, and cymbal. And, if you REALLY want to get deep about it, it all came from Tony Williams.

lol, you said it jay ;)

Zorlee

06-11-2008, 02:01 PM

The tape broke and messed up during the performance - so he had to start new (Modern Drummer Festival)

I feel so unhappy, that you always link to the youtube video. This original DrummerworldVideo is here - also with a Slowmotion Segment:

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Aaron_Spears.html

Aaron is such a nice guy and a great great drummer!!!

Bernhard

Sorry about that - It was just because the other two videos were on youtube too. Again, I'm sorry!
On the other hand, I don't think he was thinking about the small "switch" in the video, which is because the tape broke? I think he was thinking about the SICK fill he does there...

Anyway, I know you work hard with drummerworld - And I thank you for that! :)

Any more suggestions to learn this style of playing? :D

Raymond Bloom

06-11-2008, 07:48 PM

Check this out..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nu07-DvdYxg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JclA9PXMrAk

That guy is amazing, seriously I would love to play like he does...

I agree with DrPowerStroke! From these guys Pete was the only one who really impressed me, although a bit too much, he was on time and played rock solid!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_jQ0QQuU04s&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LyvCfKSrRL4&feature=related

Mediocrefunkybeat

06-11-2008, 08:37 PM

I'll be honest, from a technical standpoint those guys are pretty useful. No doubt there. But I listen to drumming and watch the videos and I just feel exhausted watching it. It's a flurry of meaningless notes that do nothing but baffle and bewilder. I'm not even denying that those guys have groove - they clearly do, but it's used tastelessly and it's tiresome.

Zorlee

06-11-2008, 09:09 PM

I agree with DrPowerStroke! From these guys Pete was the only one who really impressed me, although a bit too much, he was on time and played rock solid!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_jQ0QQuU04s&feature=related
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LyvCfKSrRL4&feature=related

I agree!
Some of the drummers there is not 100% in time...
I do love this video in the same "series" though, it's a drummer called Clarence...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OlmiVg4hy_g&feature=related
Not perfect, but I was really inspired by watching this - you know, I like the wibe of the setting. They're just hanging there, having fun, doing crazy stuff they might've not done in a band setting, but just having fun together as drummers :)

SickRick

06-11-2008, 09:38 PM

mhanon13

06-11-2008, 11:48 PM

Zorlee

06-12-2008, 12:01 AM

brittc89

06-12-2008, 12:14 AM

indeed, all of those guys are improvising, seems to be like that is the way they hang around with their friends, cause if you see carefully the other drummers are watching...

well, they must have learnt all of that chops from something... from somewhere... what do they get those chops from? do someone have transcripts or any dvd suggestion or book? I know Pat Petrillo's dvd is one..

besides that? any afro-american drummer wanna help out some whities and latinos? hehe :)

I dont wanna sound like a buzz kill and take all the mystery out of it, but in all Im really hearing are different permutations of hand and foot combinations using odd groupings of sixteenth notes and triplets. You could figure them out yourself and come up with your own, you know? Go to your drums: RLKK RLKK RLKK RLKK, that would be the absolute basic. Now try RLK KRL KKR LKK in triplets. Thats two. Now try RRKK RRKK RRKK RRKK, theres another. RLRK KRLR KKRL RKKR yet another. Maybe Im just oversimplifying this, but thats what I hear a lot of the time. Just orchestrate patterns between your hands and feet slowly and work up the speed.

mhanon13

06-12-2008, 12:42 AM

thanks I guess i will start working on that.... I can do fast triplets... like FLR... very fast... I am right handed... but I don't know why I can do faster FLR than FRL... well

what about the accents? cause the triplets I use are... flR (accenting the R)...

that sounds quiet good but not that gospel/r&b's -ish...

where do I place accents in those patterns britt?

Pat Petrillo

06-13-2008, 02:28 AM

Just to chime in a bit, as you all have graciously mentioned my DVD/Book

I think the key to any and all hand/foot combinations is orchestration, and not simply using the same toms..split the sticking also throwing in a closed high hat, and try to do the same rhythm with different stickings. As I do on the DVD, I try to move things logically then orchestrate, using some notes also as "ghost notes", so as to not make the fill monotonous.

Also, tieing this combos in with rolls and diddle helps to connect them better. Above all, I try to think rhythmically, moving things around not just in "patterns", but "tonality" (lows & highs)

Hope that helps!

mhanon13

06-13-2008, 06:23 AM

Pat,

Thanks for your advice, I am ordering a copy of your dvd on amazon tomorrow. For sure! Thanks for your advice too!

Believe it or not, you are an inspiration to all of us ( non-black people) to learn this, cause you are white! haha, I am j/k.

Thanks for dedicating your time on this thread and give us some hints!!! Very kind from you Mr. Pat Petrillo.

:)

Pat Petrillo

06-13-2008, 02:04 PM

Well...thanks very much...but it really does transcend race, and having played R&B/Funk/Fusion for many years, I have to say, it's more than "licks", but emotion, and you really can only get that from listening to the music. Everything I do tries to come from the heart with conviction.

The techniques and fill ideas I show are common to some, but then there are my on takes on these as well. They can be used in a multitude of styles, not just "gospel drumming"...

SO, thanks again, and let me know what you think when you get it!

druid

06-13-2008, 06:07 PM

I love all this playing! Sure.... its way way way too much and overplayed, but I don't care about that at all. Just look at the guys: They really seem to love what they are doing and seem to be having a great time. To me, thats what drumming is all about. Certainly, if any of those guys will make it into a band like Ushers band, they'll have to adjust to playing less notes and more groove. But that switch is easier to make than the other way round.

Some insane chops and great timefeel on all the clips. Sure, that one guy messed up a fill - but he is playing to a CD or MP3 without that much monitoring - its easy to loose the time in such a situation. Also: None of the guys adjusts the drumset that much as it seems. They just play and go for it - I don't see anything bad in that.

The way they learned all that stuff is probably like Derek in the other thread: By doing it. Playing the music, listening to the music and of course sharing ideas, pushing each other to the next level...

you just summed up something I've been trying to say for awhile about the ad nauseum arguements over chops versus feel etc.....

But that switch is easier to make than the other way round.

Folks if you already have the chops and can play like a fiend I think being able to hold back is much easier than a guy who can only play simple grooves and fills trying to elevate their playing to something more technical.

I cannot honestly think of one supposedly "technical" guy who cannot groove or keep it simple...not one...if that is what he or she is striving for. The 'Vinnies' of the world have proved they can play out of this world insane-o or keep it very simple and groovin. The guys who are only groovin would have a tough time cutting it in a more technical situation. I am sorry but after years of playing and being on both sides of the fence on this the only conclusion I can come to is improving your skill can never hurt your groove or your ability to play simply...as long as you use your tools and abilities properly.

Zorlee

06-13-2008, 08:05 PM

you just summed up something I've been trying to say for awhile about the ad nauseum arguements over chops versus feel etc.....

But that switch is easier to make than the other way round.

Folks if you already have the chops and can play like a fiend I think being able to hold back is much easier than a guy who can only play simple grooves and fills trying to elevate their playing to something more technical.

I cannot honestly think of one supposedly "technical" guy who cannot groove or keep it simple...not one...if that is what he or she is striving for. The 'Vinnies' of the world have proved they can play out of this world insane-o or keep it very simple and groovin. The guys who are only groovin would have a tough time cutting it in a more technical situation. I am sorry but after years of playing and being on both sides of the fence on this the only conclusion I can come to is improving your skill can never hurt your groove or your ability to play simply...as long as you use your tools and abilities properly.

I really agree with this! BUT (and I'm positive that you feel the same way) it should be said that the first priority in everything is time. If you don't have time, everything will fall, crash and burn... I see a lot of drummers with what people call "very good technique", but their timing is not worth 1$
I think that good technique/chops should be in perfect time (or as close as a human can get), to be called "good technique".
=)

druid

06-13-2008, 08:41 PM

I do agree...I think while attaining some level of technique you need to also see how it relates to your time...gradually building control and chops and listening to yourself. To me they always have gone hand in hand.Someone who just plays fast with no reference to time or anything is just playing either some really avante garde material...or just making spastic random noises.

I just laugh sometimes when I see people writing that the Bozzios and so on can't groove....you have to be kidding me...many of those guys got groove "down" a loooong time ago. It's a mistake to dismiss either camp or sometimes to even think there ARE camps really. Look at JoJo...his music revolves around grooves and dancable sounding stuff honestly...and his technique/imagination is absolutely fiend-ish.

SickRick

06-13-2008, 09:40 PM

I just laugh sometimes when I see people writing that the Bozzios and so on can't groove....you have to be kidding me...many of those guys got groove "down" a loooong time ago. It's a mistake to dismiss either camp or sometimes to even think there ARE camps really. Look at JoJo...his music revolves around grooves and dancable sounding stuff honestly...and his technique/imagination is absolutely fiend-ish.

Yes, but thats because Bozzio has insane good timing (and so does JoJo). I'd say this: Chops and Licks and this kind of stuff only makes sense if you have good time - thats why some drummers who play fast and many notes in short time still don't sound good (I won't mention names in order not to start a fire ;) ).

To me, technique has more to do with beeing able to play good and solid time than it has with being able to play fast. Many drummers confuse these two things sadly.

What I like about these Gospel drummers is that first of all their time and groove is great - thats why their licks sound so good - because they are also in the same feel and time. Thats the difference between fast and good. And they have lots of fun which is even more important.

mhanon13

06-14-2008, 02:27 AM

Well, I gues this thread was about how to learn them...... not to criticize and say if gospel drumming is great or bad, too much overplay or right for the situation..

man I do not care if gospel drumming is good or not (tempo, etc), or if its overplay or not.. I do not care, I just want to learn it and that's it, this thread was started on how to learn those fast chops, etc.. not to see what everybody think, cause everybody will think always different.. so avoid your opinions and if you know some goos fast chops or grooves then please post something, cause many of us want to learn them....... either if it sounds good or not..

thanks you!

sovereign76

06-14-2008, 06:01 AM

Just want to throw this in for anybody who hasn't seen it already. It's a link to Gerald Heywards' spot on vic firth.

http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/heyward.html

I think there is a link between the movement of gospel from it's origins, to having a 70's and early 80's fusion influence, which can be traced to a few drummers. Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Lenny White, and Jack DeJohnette come to mind as the early innovators, but really it's also about the changes in the music that led to the fusion sound. All things fusion came out of the musicians working with Miles Davis on his last few albums of the late sixties...miles in the sky, filles de kilimnjaro, in a silent way, and bitches brew. This isn't a comprehensive definition of where the "fusion" sound came from, but look at the players on the albums and you will see a list of the major players of 70's fusion music, end of story.

Inbetween add in players like Gadd, Mke Clark, David Garibaldi, VINNIE, Weckl, Gary Husband, Dennis Chambers, etc. and you have where late 80's / early 90's chop oriented, groove based gospel drumming comes from.

Gerald Heyward has been doing it a long time, and has been playing on large stage RnB, Hip-Hop, things longer than most and has some great input on where he comes from.

My 2cents

mhanon13

06-14-2008, 09:31 AM

Just want to throw this in for anybody who hasn't seen it already. It's a link to Gerald Heywards' spot on vic firth. During the interview part he say's that a lot of his chops come from watching Weckl's first videos...you know the hand/foot combos going between triplet and sixtennth notes.

http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/heyward.html

Even mentioning Weckl has to bring up the link between the movement of gospel from it's origins, to having a 70's and early 80's fusion influence, which can be traced to a few drummers. Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Lenny White, and Jack DeJohnette come to mind as the early innovators, but really it's also about the changes in the music that led to the fusion sound. All things fusion came out of the musicians working with Miles Davis on his last few albums of the late sixties...miles in the sky, filles de kilimnjaro, in a silent way, and bitches brew. This isn't a comprehensive definition of where the "fusion" sound came from, but look at the players on the albums and you will see a list of the major players of 70's fusion music, end of story.

Inbetween add in players like Gadd, Mke Clark, David Garibaldi, VINNIE, Weckl, Gary Husband, Dennis Chambers, etc. and you have where late 80's / early 90's chop oriented, groove based gospel drumming comes from.

Gerald Heyward has been doing it a long time, and has been playing on large stage RnB, Hip-Hop, things longer than most. Him saying he learned how to practice those hand/foot combos from Weckl's video tell's you a lot about where it comes from, IMHO.

My 2cents

You see, this is the kind of comments we all look for... nice post.. thanks for your support.. indeed, gospel drumming is a combination of many genres and patterns.. thanks a lot for it mate! we all appreciate it..

aydee

06-14-2008, 11:02 AM

You see, this is the kind of comments we all look for... nice post.. thanks for your support.. indeed, gospel drumming is a combination of many genres and patterns.. thanks a lot for it mate! we all appreciate it..

ditto.. thats very insightful.. all styles are threaded together in some way or the other & its nice to be able to see the connections..

Terry Branam

06-14-2008, 10:29 PM

Hi Zorlee,

Here's a cool little fill figure I transcribed:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/thomaspridgengospelfill.html

As always, huge thanks to Bernhard for posting it up!

Terry

sovereign76

06-15-2008, 04:01 AM

Anybody reading who watched the Gerald Hayward clip will know he doesn't mention Weckl's video. I thought this was the interview where this was mentioned, but obviously it isn't. I apologize for the mistake. It's still a really good clip in which Steve Gadd is spoken of as one of his more important influences.

I'll try to remember who was talking about Weckl's video, but I can't remember right now.

peace

jay norem

06-15-2008, 05:21 AM

Even mentioning Weckl has to bring up the link between the movement of gospel from it's origins, to having a 70's and early 80's fusion influence, which can be traced to a few drummers. Tony Williams, Billy Cobham, Lenny White, and Jack DeJohnette come to mind as the early innovators, but really it's also about the changes in the music that led to the fusion sound.

And you're saying that this can be traced back to gospel music? Weird, never heard that one before.
What are you basing this theory on?
Just wondering.

sovereign76

06-15-2008, 05:50 AM

jay,

sorry, maybe that is poorly written on my part. in that sentence I am refering to the change in gospel music from it's roots to a more modern, maybe busier, sound that was influenced by the sounds in fusion. not meaning that gospel influenced fusion.

does that clear it up?

chris

jay norem

06-15-2008, 06:28 AM

mhanon13

06-15-2008, 10:02 AM

Well, I think "gospel drumming" refers to the way black-american play in their churches... they get so inspired and end up doing spicey grooves and licks..

Gospel drumming is a fusion of funk, r&b's, hip-hop, even some kind of pop rock..
I saw the Gerald video and to be honest Steve Gadd is my favorite drummer, and i am glad he mentioned Steve Gadd, cause Steve Gadd is the man... actually he was the one that inspired me to learn to play drums... I have every single dvd, and book... and I am pretty sure Weckl and Gadd have been strong influences in him... since they do a lot of hand-foot combination licks... maybe not as fast as gospel drummers (since their playing do not require to do so)... but actually all of those funky-r&b's drummers like Steve Gadd.. David Garibaldi, Mike Clark.. are their foundation...

the key is.. practice practice practice... practice all of those crazy hand-foot combinations starting low with a metronome and speed up once you get comfortable with that tempo...
Also, all of this drummers practiced a lot with their bandmates in church.. and that is difficult for many of us since many of us play only free-style or with loops... so get to listen to funk... r&b's... hip-hop, and even black christian music... and jam with it... just jam with it.. get used to the tempo, and try to do those fast licks with it (after you have practiced them a lot of course :D).... but just jam with it and get the FEELING...

Also guys, I recomment listening to this crazy drummers: Steve Gadd, David Garibaldi, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta (as your foundation) and of course... Gerald, Aaron Spears, Teddy Campbell..

Practice, practice, practice... and get the feeling!

I really hope this helps...

byronand

06-15-2008, 06:34 PM

This original DrummerworldVideo is here - also with a Slowmotion Segment:

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Aaron_Spears.html

Aaron is such a nice guy and a great great drummer!!!

Bernhard

Thanks so much Bernhard! Your Drummerworld video library is amazing and THE BEST! All of your work to develop and maintain it is a tremendous gift to all of us drummers, all over the world!

sovereign76

06-16-2008, 06:49 AM

Here is a link to the Aaron Spears interview part from modern drummer '06 where he talks about the Weckl vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4KUXICy2vc

mhanon13

06-16-2008, 07:33 AM

Believe it or not, Dave Weckl is one of the gospel influences around the world... so is Steve Gadd! :D Billy Cobham... John Bomham and his famous triplets..

which Dave Weckl's DVD was that by the way?

mhanon13

06-24-2008, 10:09 AM

Pat,

I got your DVD and I've gotta say.. it's amazing and really helpful... your rock!!!
Thanks for making that.. when are you gonna do second part? XD

crazyballa17

06-25-2008, 05:27 AM

Alright i'll try and help out here...

Check out a drummer by the name of Mike Johnson on youtube.

He has a ton of lessons available there and it has really helped me out with the "gospel" music genre but also just grooving and being creative with my chops.

Peace Easy

Pat Petrillo

06-28-2008, 05:02 AM

Pat,

I got your DVD and I've gotta say.. it's amazing and really helpful... your rock!!!
Thanks for making that.. when are you gonna do second part? XD

M

Thanks very much, my man, glad it helps! Many of the fill ideas can be used in any style...so, keep hittin it!

I will have a new DVD in the fall, BUT it's going to be very different, and there's nothing like it out there..More to come!

Pat

asht89

06-28-2008, 09:55 AM

I agree with what people have said about triplets between limbs and feet. Ive seen gospel drummers do things like this that is pretty good:

for example: (fill: F RL F RL F RL etc)
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/asht1989/gospelfill.jpg

Not triplets as such, but it has that feel as they are sort of grouped in 3s. And i agree with the bohnam thing, ive seen gospel fills that are like an extention of that. Its not all about flashy fills and that though, a lot of it is about keeping in 'the pocket' and grooving.

Gospel drumming seems to be storming over everywhere at the moment, which is great. I love it. It opened my eyes to limb independence and different way of approaching grooves and fills. I saw a couple of clips on the gospel chops website quite a while back and ever since ive been exploring other ways of drumming. Dont get me wrong, i know there are other styles before gospel that made us drummers explore our technique etc, but this was the first time for me that id explored it.

I got Chris Coleman's dvd: 'Drumming with precision and power' yesterday, and that is really good. If you like gospel, fusion, funk etc then get it, its a good watch.

jasonrhcp

06-28-2008, 03:33 PM

Yes, and gospel is very uplifting music spiritually, as I love to listen to the lyrics of the choirs..Awesome Bass players, too..

Pat, thanks for jumping in, and GREAT DVD...covers all those type of 16th fill things in detail, and then some..it's great to see it written in the book, too..

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/patpetrillosplit16.html

Many orchestrations..and lots of split sextuplet orchestrations as well.

While it's true about Weckl in the 80's, Gadd was the "Godfather" of these type of fusion/funk fills, of course.

J

oops

10-05-2008, 10:26 AM

This blew my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4mEKZyhrI&feature=related

Check out the fill at 0:20. Choppy choppy crazy grooviness!

Zorlee

10-05-2008, 11:19 AM

This blew my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4mEKZyhrI&feature=related

Check out the fill at 0:20. Choppy choppy crazy grooviness!

Yes, I've seen that guy! Amazing!
What I'm most impressed by is his last lick - his inner clock on that one is insane!

Cringe

10-10-2008, 07:31 AM

Heyas, I was just wondering if anyone knows whats really going on with that pete guys youtube vid, i mean his hi-hat work is crazy on this , and the feel he's getting although busy , still sounds great! all i can think of is that its a mixture of 8th, 16th, and 32nd ( or open rolls ) on the high hat with odd accents throwing a few hi-hat openings in here and there. it just boggles my mind everytime i watch it to actually figure out whats going on there. Thanks :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jQ0QQuU04s