How do you practice RRLLRRLLRRLL?

[petgeh]

How do you practice RRLLRRLLRRLL? I'm practicing it for 3 moths, and I don't get faster. Can somebody help me?

[centralzeke]

You better check with an instructor on that. It sounds like it might be your technique.

[sloppyjoe]

tell me how you practiced those. did you feel a burn in your arms because that is what you want.

[MunsieMan]

when i practise my double stroke rolls Ive noticed a drastic change in my speed, i started off with using my 2 index fingers on a table ledge in class, and then when i felt i comfortably knew the motion i picked up the sticks and i was pretty good with them first try, of corse theres always room for improvment

[OceanDirt]

slow down. slow down to the point where it feels uncomfortabley slow.

spend your time focusing on your fulcrum and your finger motions. if you play match grip, work on making your hands identical. make sure your rebounds are the same volume as the inital strokes. do this all as slowly as you can and make sure you have it before going back to a metronome.

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

Learn the free stroke (domfamularo.com). In two years you will be smiling while playing blazing doubles. DPS

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

tell me how you practiced those. did you feel a burn in your arms because that is what you want.
No way. If you feel pain, you must stop immediately, otherwise you will get tendonitis very soon. DPS

[sloppyjoe]

well you have feel a some burn, just not to a certain extent. thats what i ment my bad

[mediocrefunkybeat]

well you have feel a some burn, just not to a certain extent. thats what i ment my bad

No; you don't want any burn at all. Joe Morello agrees with me.

[aahznightsky]

When someone says "No pain, no game," slap em!




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[somedrummer]

When I first learned doubles, my teacher had me lift my arm all the way above my head with it otherwise totally relaxed and then bring it down and then hit it again to get the same volume and sound. Then I did it with the other arm in succession. I would slowly bring them down as the doubles got faster, then when I got to the point where I could go no faster, start bringing them up again and slowing down. All this while keeping the sound even. Then you repeat the process, eventually getting faster. I'm not sure what it's called (I think he called it the Moeller stroke, but I dont recall), but it worked for me and i teach it to other people too.

[drumzalicious]

the burn means that your muscles are working...

[sloppyjoe]

Yeah just dont over work them, yeah know dont let the pain get intense. Although in battery practice he makes over work our muscles but we end up fine. people have been under his influence for more than four years and there fine. But what ever works for you guys, no reason to argue anymore.

[centralzeke]

The burn definately means you're fatiguing your muscles. It doesn't necesarrily mean your muscles are working CORRECTLY. You want a smooth strokes first and foremost, being relaxed.

If you aren't relaxed and you're tensing up, then your muscles are going to be sore after. This is what you don't want: perfecting mistakes. Relaxation is the key to speed and endurance. Let your hands go down with the sticks, it should be a fluid motion.

Try this without sticks: do doubles with just your fingertips on a table. This is the fundamental wrist motion you'll be using. Simply doing doubles, with your hands, on your stomach or a table will get your muscles better at this.

[mediocrefunkybeat]

Guys like Art Verdi can keep going on their singles for literally hours if they want to, Mangini with his feet. These guys do not hurt afterwards. If you want to see some great relaxed (but fast) drumming, go and check out the thread 'super fast drumming'.

[finnhiggins]

Let's clarify here:

If by "Burn" you mean pain of any description at all, DON'T DO IT. It means your technique is not correct, and you will probably hurt yourself in the long run.

If by "Burn" you mean a feeling of relaxed warmth up the inside of your forearms, that's all good. No tingling, no pain at all.

But really: no pain. If you're hurting, your technique is poor and you need to slow down and work on relaxation again.

[Capitaine Quebec]

If by "Burn" you mean a feeling of relaxed warmth up the inside of your forearms, that's all good. No tingling, no pain at all

my teacher told me that it was normal, even though your muscle are relaxed, you need a certain force in your muscle to get a good speed. So that means yours muscles are becoming stronger (horse strong, not giant strong :P)

[sloppyjoe]

Let's clarify here:

If by "Burn" you mean pain of any description at all, DON'T DO IT. It means your technique is not correct, and you will probably hurt yourself in the long run.

If by "Burn" you mean a feeling of relaxed warmth up the inside of your forearms, that's all good. No tingling, no pain at all.

But really: no pain. If you're hurting, your technique is poor and you need to slow down and work on relaxation again.

yeah there we go like that. i have a high pain tolerance though, so mabye i over work i dunno

[GAZZASCOTLAND]

HAVING PLAYED PIPE BAND DRUMMING FOR MANY A YEAR,THIS WAS THE FIRST EXERCISE EVER TAUGHT TO ME...IF YOU PLAY TRAD GRIP,ITS ALL IN THE HEIGHT..WITHOUT HAVING YOUR STIX TOO HIGH,THEY MUST BE AT A COMFORTABLE HEIGHT TO ENABLE A TWO STROKE BOUNCE WITHOUT REALLY HAVING TO WORK YOUR WRIST..IF YOU ARE HOLDING TOO TIGHT THIS WILL KILL THE BOUNCE..AS YOU BUILD UP SPEED,TRY A SNAPPING MOTION OF THE WRIST RATHER THAN AL OT OF UPPER ARM MOTION AS THIS WILL PROBABLY BE GIVING YOU THE BURN...ITS ALL ABOUT CONTROLING THE BOUNCE,GETTING TWO CLEAR NOTES AND INCREASING THE SNAP ON YOUR WRIST TO INCREASE POWER AND SPEED....TIS A LOT OF WORK BUT WORTH IT...GOOD LUCK GAZ

[vince]

I totaly agree with Centralzeke : the best thing to do is to find a good teacher. The double -stroke roll is a thing you can master only by seeing somebody doing it !
Videos and books don't work, they just teach you that a double stroke roll is RRLL !
In fact, the guy on the video would show you " that is what to do" but he wouldn't tell you if you're doing it wrong...

[Belgiandrummer]

For lots it helps when they play RLLR RLLR RLLR RLLR or LRRL LRRL LRRL LRRL .
It the exact same thing but it's easier for your brains or something.

Wouter.

[Stu_Strib]

How do you practice RRLLRRLLRRLL?

I play two rights then two lefts...then do it all again..for long periods of time ;-)

Joking aside, why not just watch Derrick Pope's video on here? He gives the best explanation ever...instead of playing one note, just play two ;-)

He also briefly covers a majority of the other ways, but I'm with Derrick. .Just play two notes instead of one...Yes, sometimes it is that simple (especially if you are lazy like me).

[Supersteve]

That in the Pipe band world is called on moma-dada and is taught as a intro to learning rolls.

You want to make each stroke two then start boucng the srokes when you get it fast it turns into a long roll.


John Fisher and Jim Kilpatrick tuaght me that at a workshop.

[jazzin']

For lots it helps when they play RLLR RLLR RLLR RLLR or LRRL LRRL LRRL LRRL .
It the exact same thing but it's easier for your brains or something.

Wouter.

I have found this type of practice for double stroke roll to be by far the most beneficial. Because you will naturally accent the second stroke, practicing this method for long periods of time will instill a strong second stroke.
As to the wrist motion being the same as if you were playing without sticks just on a table, I have found my wrist sort of turns out to the side (it's hard to explain properly without seeing it, turning out to the side doesn't really make sense but...too late to try and articulate better) as my fingers pull up the second stroke if that makes any sense. So the wrist motion isn't really what I thought it would be naturally.
Anyways, yes, maybe give that a try, I think it's one of the tried and true methods for getting your doubles into shape.

[k3ng]

From my personal experience... speed doesn't come first when practicing. Instead of an increase in my speed, I felt a more relaxed motion on my usual speed. My comfortable speed was being achieved with less tension and more relaxation in my arms. THen the speed came. So don't worry if your speed isn't coming along, are you getting more relaxed? IF you are, then you're still on your way up.

[Class A Drummer]

When you practice, practic doing Doubles, but make it very closed doubles, but then open them up as much as you can, then close them up, then open em up, ect. If i manage to get my camera to work ill show you another way i practice double which is a little hard to explain, but it helps alot. Gave me alot more control and speed.

[skinny]

What site is super fast drumming on?