Ian Paice sig snare or Supraphonic?

[Mr. Brownstone]

I'm thinking about adding a steel snare to my small collection. I'm looking at a 14x6.5 but I'm not sure which I should go for.

I'd be buying brand new so it'd be a modern Supra.

Does anyone know what Paice played on the Perfect Strangers album?

Did Bonham use a steel snare? Ochletree says he played a metal snare and never COB. Does that mean it was steel or aluminum, or something else?

Appreciate any help.

[Michael G]

Bonham used the regular "Ludalloy" Supra, that and the COB were the only two models.

What you can do is buy a good condition vintage supra for the same or cheaper price as a newer and if you don't like it, you can sell it and not lose any money.

[Mr. Brownstone]

Bonham used the regular "Ludalloy" Supra, that and the COB were the only two models.

Does the 400/402 refer to the metal or the depth?

[Ozzy Biz]

Does the 400/402 refer to the metal or the depth?

400 is the 14x5" model Supraphonic while 402 is the 14x6.5" model Supraphonic

[baz]

...to me it looks like half of the new sig snares are modified knock off supraphonics.

why not go with the one that everyone wants theirs to be.

unless of course you can get a knock off dirt cheap.

Barry

[Ozzy Biz]

...to me it looks like half of the new sig snares are modified knock off supraphonics.

why not go with the one that everyone wants theirs to be.

unless of course you can get a knock off dirt cheap.

Barry

Amen to that.........

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Get an old Supraphonic, chances are the Ian Paice signature is just a modern emulation with his name on it. Failing that, get an Acrolite; similar but even cheaper.

[fourstringdrums]

Get an old Supraphonic, chances are the Ian Paice signature is just a modern emulation with his name on it. Failing that, get an Acrolite; similar but even cheaper.

Exactly. You can find used Supras extremely cheap these days.

[KarlCrafton]

Ian's sig model is a copy of the Supra.

It sounds cool, and has the lug locking things...ah, but it's still not a Supra....I'm just a Ludwig die-hard so....that choice would be up to you.
The Ian snare is a fine drum....it just not a 402....sorry :p

It seems like the 402 and the Black Beauty are copied a lot in recent years.

The new Supra's are made the same as the old one's, but an eBay find could be cheaper.
It depends on what you want, but having an older Blue/olive badge Supra would be kinda cool...just because.

Or, you could always go for a Supra in the Hammered model....

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h257/KarlCrafton/HammeredChrome.jpg

Just a suggestion..... :)

[pcmckay]

I'm thinking about adding a steel snare to my small collection. I'm looking at a 14x6.5 but I'm not sure which I should go for.

I'd be buying brand new so it'd be a modern Supra.

Does anyone know what Paice played on the Perfect Strangers album?

Did Bonham use a steel snare? Ochletree says he played a metal snare and never COB. Does that mean it was steel or aluminum, or something else?

Appreciate any help.

Well personally since all of Ian's best material was recorded on a Supraphonic, I would go with the Supra. Long before he played Pearl he was a Ludwig man. I would imagine on the Perfect Strangers album he used some kind of Pearl snare, he was endorsing Pearl by that time. I have seen the video for Perfect Strangers, and he was playing a Pearl kit in the natural maple finish, and I 'm almost positive he was using a matching snare drum. You probably could youtube that video to see for yourself.
Bonham palyed a standard Chrome Supraphonic 6.5"x14", I think what Ocheltree was stating is that Bonham preferred a standard chrome steel snare rather then a brass shelled snare drum

[Wavelength]

...the Supra isn't a steel snare. It's made of aluminum (or Ludalloy, which is the same thing).

[Mr. Brownstone]

Thanks to all for the input. I think I'll be patient, save up and get the Ludwig.

Does anyone know if there is a significant difference in sound between the newer Supras and older? If there is a difference, when would that have become apparent?

[pcmckay]

I personally can't tell a difference, a friend of mine has a ' 72 Supraphonic and my drum sounds the same. We have the same heads on the drums and there is really no difference in tone or pitch. I guess other people may detect a difference, if there is any it's not obvious. I think you will be more than satisfied with this drum.

[Mr. Brownstone]

OK, thanks for the info. Does anyone know if they still make 'em in the U.S. of A?

[fusssion]

OK, thanks for the info. Does anyone know if they still make 'em in the U.S. of A?


Supras ?? I believe so!!

GO SUPRA!! GO SUPRA! :)

Oh...and Fourstrings.....Supras...cheap?!? Where?! Please show me, I want to find one!

[pcmckay]

Yes, the supras are made in the U.S.A.,Monroe, North Carolina to be exact. That is the location of their factory. It's my understanding that the only thing that is made overseas is the hardware because of the chrome plating issues.

[Mr. Brownstone]

Thanks guys for all your help. The Supra is on order...should be here in a month or so.

[Les Ismore]

It's my understanding that the only thing that is made overseas is the hardware because of the chrome plating issues.

I'd be intrested to know where Ludwig chrome plates the Supras if that's true. Do they send them to china for that? Is that why they list for $950 US?

I would think Ludwig just buys hardware from another co manufacturing in China and (maybe) assembles it here, because its cheaper supporting NAFTA than employing Americans.

[Michael G]

Yes, the supras are made in the U.S.A.,Monroe, North Carolina to be exact. That is the location of their factory. It's my understanding that the only thing that is made overseas is the hardware because of the chrome plating issues.

Actually, according to scovit, his newer one was made in Taiwan.

[Mr. Brownstone]

Aw damn it...I want an American Supra.

[ZDrums24]

Here's a question I have been wondering about since I started playing in 5th grade: What is that bulge (called a bead?) around the center of the drum for? Does it do anything for the sonic qualities of the drum?

[KarlCrafton]

It has been said that the bead strengthens the metal.

I'm sure it does something to the sound.

You'd have to have one with the bead, and the exact shell without the bead to know for sure what difference it makes.

The thing that is for sure is that a Ludwig Supra always sounds like a Supra.

[Mr. Brownstone]

One more thing guys. Is a Supersensitive a Supra with a funky strainer? Would the sound be similar?

[KLittle123]

SUPRA!


20 letta fo' sho'

[nickg]

i find these "signature" drums way overated and overpriced and just an ego boost for the most part. just get the SupraPhonic!! who's going to notice the difference between that and the "joe rockstar" model?

[markiet1966]

Actually, according to scovit, his newer one was made in Taiwan.

Ludwig do have a budget line of Supra's that are made in Taiwan, the premium line are still made in the US.

It does seem to me that virtually all the metal signature snares available are based on the basic Supraphonic design, but then Supraphonics have shaped the snare sounds of the last 40 years so why wouldn't they.

Mark

[Mr. Brownstone]

OK so I got my Supraphonic today, and I have a few questions.

1) How can you tell the difference between a COB and a Ludalloy shell if there's no sticker? Is there a difference in the colour inside the shell? Is the sticker supposed to be there always?

2) Do the Taiwanese Supras have a date stamp on them? If it says Monroe, USA on the badge is it American made?

3) Is it really supposed to be as light as it is? I was shocked at how light it was.

4) Is it normal to have discolouration inside the shell?

Thanks for any help guys.

[KarlCrafton]

OK so I got my Supraphonic today, and I have a few questions.

1) How can you tell the difference between a COB and a Ludalloy shell if there's no sticker? Is there a difference in the colour inside the shell? Is the sticker supposed to be there always?

2) Do the Taiwanese Supras have a date stamp on them? If it says Monroe, USA on the badge is it American made?

3) Is it really supposed to be as light as it is? I was shocked at how light it was.

4) Is it normal to have discolouration inside the shell?

Thanks for any help guys.

A Supra is a nice pick up.

#1 The COB re-issue had another, separate badge on it that says it's a brass shell.

#2 Monroe with the gold Keystone is a USA drum.

#3 Yes, it's a pretty light drum.

#4 Yeah, I've seen slight color changes in the chrome on the inside before too.
I'd say it's not going to affect the performance of the drum at all.

My 3 Black Beauties have the same thing a little.

The 2008 Ludwig catalog only shows a Chrome plated Brass shell "available" as the
LB402BBTWM

This is a Chrome plated brass shell, with brass plated Tube lugs, brass Millenium strainer, and brass plated die cast hoops.

Looks pretty cool.

I bet you could still get a 'regular' COB Supra that's been out a while though.

Have fun with your snare!

[Mr. Brownstone]

Thanks Karl. That helps plenty. And the drum sounds great.