6 Stroke Roll Fills?

[Soulset]

okay so, lately, i've been tring to form a 6 stroke roll for myself, R(ll,rr)L, but my only issue is: How do you count that?

Becuase i know it's consitered a sixtupplet right? Or am i misinformed here?

So would the Accented Left(L) be on the e of 2? I don;t know to be honest(hence why i'm askign here x]] )

But anyways, could anyone help me out on how to count this paricular roll? Also i heard there was a variation of it too? Is this true or not?

Thanks in advanced!

[Pete Stoltman]

If you're starting the roll on 1 then the accented left would be on the ah of 1. Think of it as single stroke on 1, double on E, double on AN, single on AH, and single on 2.

[SEVNT7]

If you play a six stroke roll evenly spaced (like a paradiddlediddle ) in 4/4 time, and your application is sixtuplets. Then If you count with the 1e&a- 2e&a system, There is no verbalization that lines up w/ sixtuplets. You CAN use the Eastman counting system. 8th note triplets are 1 la li- 2 la li and so on. 16th note triplets (sixtuplets ) can be counted as 1 ta la ta li ta-2 ta la ta li ta. Line up the notes accordingly. By the way useing this sysem w/ sixteenth notes, the count is 1 ta te ta-2 ta te ta..... later...T

[Pete Stoltman]

Oh my gosh. That made my head hurt! Just kidding. Yes, you're right it doesn't line up with the verbalization but I was just trying to keep things simple. Even easier: start your six stroke on 1 and end it on 2. If you play good 6 stroke rolls it comes out fine.

[shuffle]

Play triplets using only your right hand. 1 ti ta 2 ti ta ....

Fill in with your left hand will double you speed to sextuplet (singles) 1 ti ta & ti ta 2 ti ta & ti ta .....

The accents are on each "ta" before the beat, and on the beat.

Morph to the diddle-diddle sticking

Use a metronome. Start at a slow tempo.

Here's a nice video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMl3ixv1kHw

And another one : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCNI8Yyy6mQ&mode=related&search=

[zambizzi]

I think Pete is trying to say this...here's how I play it:

1 e + ah, 2 e + ah, 3 e + ah, 4....and so on...and so forth

R ll rr L, R ll rr L, R ll rr L, R.............

[snazzy]

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/08sixstrokeroll.html

six stroke rolls are placed as 16th notes and 32nd notes. With a right hand lead you start with the righ had on the downbeat and just a 16th note. Then ON the e you play 32nd notes with your left hand. on the + you play 32nd notes with your right hand. On the a you play a accented 16th note with your left. If you start with left hand lead it is the exact oppisite. hope that helps

there are no sixtuplets involved

[brittc89]

http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/08sixstrokeroll.html

six stroke rolls are placed as 16th notes and 32nd notes. With a right hand lead you start with the righ had on the downbeat and just a 16th note. Then ON the e you play 32nd notes with your left hand. on the + you play 32nd notes with your right hand. On the a you play a accented 16th note with your left. If you start with left hand lead it is the exact oppisite. hope that helps

there are no sixtuplets involved

Unless you play them as even sextuplets, much like a displaced paradiddle.

[Pete Stoltman]

I think Pete is trying to say this...here's how I play it:

1 e + ah, 2 e + ah, 3 e + ah, 4....and so on...and so forth

R ll rr L, R ll rr L, R ll rr L, R.............

Thanks Zambizi, yes, that's what I'm trying to convey. With all due respect to the other posters you guys are making this tougher than it is. Don't overthink it.

[Sah]

As far as I know six stroke rolls can be played in 2 ways: either a sextuplet feel where each note has the same time value, or spaced as sixteenth notes the doubles are esentially 32nd notes. So its either

R l l r r L R l l r r L R l l r r L R l l r r L


where the R is on 1 2 3 4 and is counted as sextuplets, so the final L doesnt quite land on the beat. Check out the youtube link shuffle posted, it helped me learn to play this type of six stroke roll.

The second form will be counted like this

R ll rr L R ll rr L R ll rr L R ll rr L
1 e + a 2 e + a 3 e + a 4 e + a

[Class A Drummer]

Ive been meaning to make a video which incorporates a cool fast fill which can be used in jazz rock funk or anything. Now if i can get my camera to work which is very rare, i could do this.

[balboa]

wouldnt a RllrrL be an inverted paradiddle?

[Sutor]

wouldnt a RllrrL be an inverted paradiddle?

Well an inverted Paradiddle-diddle, Just switching the accents round. Still 6 notes. I always refer to it as a six stroke roll, different teachers have told me that, thats how it was originally written (RllrrL) but the official 6 stroke roll is now written (RLrrll or rrllRL)

[millerdakiller]

I use six stroke rolls for two things: Quintuplets, and sextuplets that don't have the first hit. To count the quintuplet I would use Hippopotamus. Ie:

Hip po pot a mus One
R L R L R L
R L L R R L
R L R R L R
etc.

for the sextuplet(two triplets)I would count like this:
One-Laa-Lee-Two-Laa-Lee-One
Rest L R L R L R
Rest R L L R R L
Rest L L R L L R
etc.

hope that was helpful.
p.s.
another way you could use them is as a 5 stroke roll with a pickup
a--1--e--+--a--2
L R L R L R
R L L R R L
L R L R R L
etc.

edit: sorry couldn't get the syllables and the strokes to line up. Just match each stroke with the syllables and pm me with any questiosn.

[balboa]

Well an inverted Paradiddle-diddle, Just switching the accents round. Still 6 notes. I always refer to it as a six stroke roll, different teachers have told me that, thats how it was originally written (RllrrL) but the official 6 stroke roll is now written (RLrrll or rrllRL)

its not an inverted paradiddle?

[shuffle]

its not an inverted paradiddle?

No because there are two diddles...R ll rr L

An inverted paradiddle would be RLLR LRRL

[wilsonbangy]

i have a video on you tube that breaks down the feel of triplet semiquavers (16th's) using the same sticking

http://youtube.com/watch?v=89SGU-ufQiQ

I hope this helps


Keep on drumming

James

[mind_drummer]

I use six stroke rolls for two things: Quintuplets, and sextuplets that don't have the first hit. To count the quintuplet I would use Hippopotamus. Ie:

Hip po pot a mus One
R L R L R L
R L L R R L
R L R R L R
etc.

for the sextuplet(two triplets)I would count like this:
One-Laa-Lee-Two-Laa-Lee-One
Rest L R L R L R
Rest R L L R R L
Rest L L R L L R
etc.

hope that was helpful.
p.s.
another way you could use them is as a 5 stroke roll with a pickup
a--1--e--+--a--2
L R L R L R
R L L R R L
L R L R R L
etc.

edit: sorry couldn't get the syllables and the strokes to line up. Just match each stroke with the syllables and pm me with any questiosn.

Doing the same but I use the word U-NI-VER-SI-TY
1 u ni ver si ty 2 u ni ver si ty...

[balboa]

No because there are two diddles...R ll rr L

An inverted paradiddle would be RLLR LRRL

oh yeah, that makes more sense, thanks dude. i left a little out, to make it into a paradiddle!lol

[millerdakiller]

Doing the same but I use the word U-NI-VER-SI-TY
1 u ni ver si ty 2 u ni ver si ty...

pretty much any 5 syllable word will work.


like


U-ni-ted-na-tions
mint-choc-o-late-chip
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