"The Art of Modern Jazz Drumming"...

[Drummer Karl]

...by Jack DeJohnette and Charlie Perry.
Who works with it or worked with it? A great book with many great and melodic comping/independence/phrasing excercices.

http://www.moderndrummer.com/rsrc/books/Art_Modern_jazz.jpg

My drum teacher recommended me this book and I love it. It gives a great insight into form, personal interpretation etc...of progressive Jazz music and continues with one bar triplet based comping/independence variations...I`ve worked with it for a time now and found it simply helpful.

And it`s much. Working through it and exploiting, expanding all the variations is an awesome work with no end!

I just thought I`d ask because I often hear buds working with John Riley`s books. ;-)

PS: I searched but didn`t find any thread related to this book...

Best wishes,

Karl

[Alexdrum75]

...by Jack DeJohnette and Charlie Perry.
Who works with it or worked with it? A great book with many great and melodic comping/independence/phrasing excercices.

http://www.moderndrummer.com/rsrc/books/Art_Modern_jazz.jpg

My drum teacher recommended me this book and I love it. It gives a great insight into form, personal interpretation etc...of progressive Jazz music and continues with one bar triplet based comping/independence variations...I`ve worked with it for a time now and found it simply helpful.

And it`s much. Working through it and exploiting, expanding all the variations is an awesome work with no end!

I just thought I`d ask because I often hear buds working with John Riley`s books. ;-)

PS: I searched but didn`t find any thread related to this book...

Best wishes,

Karl

I have it and I feel it's way more complete than any other jazz drumbooks around.

[Drummer Karl]

I have it and I feel it's way more complete than any other jazz drumbooks around.

Hey Alex,
thanks for your opinion about this book! Feels good to hear from other drummers using it too.

"Complete" is the word. I agree with you about that. It`s nice that those comping variations are like a base you can build more on. Variating those comping excercices...orchestrating them in a million ways.
I find that it can be expanded so well.

Anyone else having experience with this book?

Karl

[h3r3tic]

I've heard that it's an excelent book for jazz... In fact I do have it and did took a look but aI don't intend to use only for now... I have other priorities, but as soon as I have the chance I'll use it! ;)

[Muckster]

Karl,

Funny thing you posted this thread. I just ordered a copy of the book. I have seen it around and decided to check it out. I'm glad to hear it is worth it.

[Drummer Karl]

Karl,

Funny thing you posted this thread. I just ordered a copy of the book. I have seen it around and decided to check it out. I'm glad to hear it is worth it.

Haha, that`s cool.
When you have maybe you could let us know how you personally find it?

Karl

[Meditative Drumz]

...
I just thought I`d ask because I often hear buds working with John Riley`s books. ;-)

Best wishes,

Karl


Have you seen Riley's books (Art and Beyond)? If so, how do you think they compare and contrast?

[Drummer Karl]

Have you seen Riley's books (Art and Beyond)? If so, how do you think they compare and contrast?

Roughly I`ve seen one of these books. A friend and drummer (who now studies music at uni) also told me about it...but I don`t really know the whole book.
I was wondering what makes the art of bop drumming school to be a "standard"/must have.

Karl

[Wavelength]

I've taken some glances at the book, and I must say I don't like the way the examples and exercises are notated. I enjoyed the conceptual text parts more than the actual exercises which had little to offer for a person who has gone through the "Bop Drumming" books.

[Drummer Karl]

I've taken some glances at the book, and I must say I don't like the way the examples and exercises are notated. I enjoyed the conceptual text parts more than the actual exercises which had little to offer for a person who has gone through the "Bop Drumming" books.

Hey,
thanks for your opinion! What do you think are differences between "The Art of Modern Jazz Drumming" and John Riley`s books?
I found that Jack DeJohnette`s and Charlie Perry`s book is like a very nice encyclopedia to work with....

Karl

[Wavelength]

What do you think are differences between "The Art of Modern Jazz Drumming" and John Riley`s books?

Internally they deal with pretty much the same things but I think Riley's books are more accessible and have a higher "production value". You should check them out, too, since every book is always going to have at least one crumb of information that you haven't found elsewhere.

[danp212]

definitely a great book

[OldStampK]

I worked on it for a spell and enjoyed it for what it is, execises to create independence over a standard ride cymbal pattern. I read somewhere that Charlie Perry basically wrote the book and Jack agreed to put his name on it to boost sales.

I agree that Riley's books are way ahead of anything that has come before conceptually. When I first put Beyond Bob Drumming on the music stand I remember thinking to myself, "At last a book I can USE." Now my copy is falling apart from use and I need to go out and buy it again.

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

I didn't like Perry's book so much. I feel Riley is a superior educator. His book is better orgnized in my opinion. I love drum books...

[lochday]

I don't know Jack Dejohnette's book, but I do know john Riley's ones.
They are great. They cover a lot of jazz drumming, from basics to advanced, some "latin" jazz...
The analysis of the style of drummers like Billy Higgins, Elvin or Jack Dejohnette and other jazz drummers can also be found in his books.
Plus valuable tips about form, improvisation, transcription, grooving, comping, Moeler technique, warm ups, etc.
Not something you can go through before you could say Jack Dejohnette, er I mean Jack Robinson. (;-)
What's more, you can play along songs which are recorded minus drums. Karl, you are aware of this, aren't you?
Actually, other books are probably as much interesting and valuable as J. R's books, and "The Art Of Modern Jazz Drumming may be so, but as long as I am not fed up with John 's works, I will keep putting up the question:

John Riley - What else?
PS no need to say I love John Riley's books.

[CrabApple]

Jim Chapin's Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer.

[FunkyJazzer]

Sounds like a great book. But as a student of jazz I can safely say that the only book you'll ever need is Jim Chapin's Advanced Techniques For The Modern Drummer. After that, everything else can be learnt by just listening and playing with other musicians. HOWEVER...

If you really want a challenge, and to learn some pretty advanced concepts, I suggest John Riley's "The Jazz Drummer's Workshop". HOLY COW, there's some fantastic stuff in there. I have Art Of Bop Drumming too which is fantastic, if only for the play-along tracks.

Have fun.
Lloyd.

[tim1987]

I suppose it's kind of like learning a language.

Jim Chapin is learning the ABC's of jazz co-ordination. I mean you will not be playing straight 8ths against the jazz ride in a gig, you'll get thrown out!! Great book though!

Another book for learning the ABC's of jazz independence is the Second Chapter of Gary Chaffee's "Time Functioning Patterns" which incorporates Melodic and Harmonic Coordination, it basically takes you through every triplet permuation in the 3 limbs against the ride pattern. It improves your "wiring".

I look at John Riley's books as making these letters into sentences, and then you can tell a story. Beyond Bop really is something when you get your left foot comping. I just love the Hi Hat!!

The Jazz Drummer's workshop is very hard but I've worked out of some of the time playing chapters and they are brilliant.

It's easier said than done though!! I'm not very far in to jazz time playing yet, but it's coming.