Could Some Explain...

[caprisun3484]

could somebody help explain to me what a double time feel is and what a half time feel is

[aydee]

Well, its exactly what is says.

double the time, or half the time. literally. By feel ( if I understand you correctly), you mean when you are playing 8th notes but suggesting (ghosting or emphasizing ) 16ths for double, and quarter notes for half time feel.

I'm not being very clear, am I ?

[tak22thegoat]

Double time-Doubled time. Like a double time fill would be like this. You are playing a straight 8th note rock beat, and then on the fill, you would do 16th note fills.
Half Time-Half the time. Check out the half time shuffle. The back beat is on the 3 of each measure. Regular time would be back beat on 2 and 4.
Idk if I'm right I'm probably wrong.
Double time-if its 4/4, then quarter note=half note.
Half time-if its 4/4 then quarter note=eight note.
I think I'm right on that one though.

[caprisun3484]

so if you are playing a song at 60 BPM the half time feel would technically be 30 BPM and the double time feel would be 120 BPM ?

[foursticks]

so if you are playing a song at 60 BPM the half time feel would technically be 30 BPM and the double time feel would be 120 BPM ?

Yeah, but if it's feel then it would literally 'feel' like your playing twice as fast or half the speed even though your actually staying at the original tempo.

[aydee]

1 2 3 4

double time:

1and 2 and 3 and 4and

half time:

1 (rest) 3 ( rest )

sorta...

[caprisun3484]

so if you were playing with a metronome

in double time- one click would be two beats
and half time- two clicks would be one beat

is that right?

[zambizzi]

Maybe a more simple way of thinking of half-time (cut time, etc.) is; you're not changing the tempo, just removing some notes to create more space in each measure.

Say you're playing a plain vanilla back-beat in 4/4...straight eighth notes on the hats, the kick is on the quarter notes (1,2,3,4) and the snare is on every "and". (1&2&3&4& kick and snare together). Half-time of this would just involve removing some notes. You would play the same eighth notes on the hats...but now the kick would be on 1 and 3...and the snare would be on 2 and 4.

You could take that further and divide in half again....play the kick on 1 and 3...but the snare only on 4. It's all relative to the downbeat, I suppose. It gives the illusion of "slower" time.

[mrchattr]

I'll try to explain this (it's a concept that can be shown in about 30 seconds, but words aren't as easy).

HALF-TIME

Picture a basic beat. Snare on 2 and 4, bass on 1, 2, 3, 4, straight 8ths on the hi hats:

HH 1&2&3&4&
S 2 4
B 1 2 3 4

To go to half-time, you keep the same exact tempo, but only vary the snare and bass part to make it FEEL like you are playing slower. Like this:

HH 1&2&3&4&
S 3
B 1 3

If you do this right, it will now sound like you are playing 16th notes on the hi hats, quarter notes on the bass, and "2 and 4" on the snare, only in half the original tempo. You can also take out the up-beats on the hi hats, so that the hi hat part feels like it's in half-time as well, although that is optional.

DOUBLE-TIME:

This is the same concept, only going in the opposite direction. Take the same basic beat:

HH 1&2&3&4&
S 2 4
B 1 2 3 4

Again, keeping the hi hat the same, you now want to make it feel like you are plaing the song twice as fast. So, the 8th notes on the hi hats will now seem like quarter notes. You can keep the bass drum the same for this, if you want:

HH 1&2&3&4&
S & & & &
B 1 2 3 4

Notice...if you do it this way, you end up having the hi hat stay the same...but again, it feels differently. Just like how in half-time, it will sound like you are playing 16th notes, when in reality you are still playing 8th notes, here it will sound like you are playing quarter notes at the faster tempo...when in reality, you are still keeping the steady 8th note pulse.

Try playing through those examples I gave. You may find they really help you out. Once you get into the habbit of doing it correctly, you can start to expand, vary the hi-hat, etc. But to get a good, basic understanding, keeping the hi hat steady through the main beat, the half-time feel, and the double-time feel should really help you grasp the concept.

[Deltadrummer]

1 2 3 4

double time:

1and 2 and 3 and 4and

half time:

1 (rest) 3 ( rest )

sorta...

IN half time the snare is on three. If you think of it in a two bar sense, when the snare is on three, it is like the two bars are the feel of one bar:
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
......x.........x
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +

Then there is also the notion of playing four downbeats on the snare, like in gospel music, from quarter notes:boom snare boom snare, then eighth notes snare boom snare boom snare boom snare boom.

[hungrypo]

so if you were playing with a metronome

in double time- one click would be two beats
and half time- two clicks would be one beat

is that right?

yes. if your metronome was set to 60bpm, each click is a quarter note at 60bpm. count each click as 1 2 3 4

in half time, each click is an eighth note. count each click 1 & 2 &

in double time, each click is a half note, worth two beats, counting 1 (2) 3 (4) 1 (2) 3 (4) - the counts in brackets are the spaces between the clicks.

[stevedrum]

-Double Time

If you are playing an 8-beat and therefore quavers on the hihat and then you change to 16-beat, playing semi-quavers on the hihat, that would be double time where technically you are halfing the quavers and therefore there are 2 notes being played instead of one but keeping the same value.

Summary of Double Time: 1 Quaver = 2 Semi-Quavers

Counting: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and ----- 1 ah and ah 2 ah and ah 3 ah and ah 4 ah and ah
(8 notes) (16 notes)


-Half Time

If you are playing a 16-beat and therefore semi-quavers on the hihat and then you change to 8-beat , playing quavers on the hihat, that would be half time where technically you are joining two semi-quavers to form a quaver and therefore playing 1 note instead of 2 keeping the same value.

Summary of Half Time: 2 Semi-Quavers = 1 Quaver

Counting: 1 ah and ah 2 ah and ah 3 ah and ah 4 ah and ah ----- 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and
(16 notes) (8 notes)

Same thing happens when Quavers are drawn into Crotchets. (Half Time)

Counting: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and ---- 1 2 3 4
(8 notes) (4 notes)

The metronome is not involved in this one, the metronome only gives the speed eg. 60 Crotchet Beats per Minute (that would be 1 crotchet per second).


Hope this is helpful.

[caprisun3484]

I think I understand. I was probably overthinking it.


Thank you for the help and HAPPY NEW YEAR