This drumset is very weird

[Muffled Tom]

Check this thing out.. it is very odd... I wonder how it sounds...

http://www.saludacymbals.com/d/images/ev2.jpg

I mean seriously.. a low tom for a snare, and look at the length of that bass drum!

[konaboy]

Don't think that FT is being used as a snare. Depends on what kind of music he's playing, could be his perfect setup. I bet that bass drum BOOMS!!

[fourstringdrums]

I bet that bass drum BOOMS!!

Only if you slam the hell out of it. The deeper the bass drum, the more force is required to push the air to get everything tonally out of that bass drum. I would imagine that a bass drum like that, the average person playing it, it is not going to sound that spectacular unless they're really whailing on it.

[xush]

there's a guy on another forum who uses a floor tom for his snare.
I think he calls it 'the Hulk.'

http://a667.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_531dd01e50009af39d52dd1f0ab74fc2.jpg

[timmdrum]

I saw a drummer in a band performing on a late-night talk show who had a floor tom standing directly in front of the snare, in the rack tom position. Probably a 14", with a 16" or 18" to his right. Seems like a pretty cool idea, instead of putting a rack on a snare stand.

[bojangleman]

naw. he is using the a FT as a snare. it has a stainer on it. Saluda custom drums made that kit. also the cymbals. here is a couple more pics of the kit...:
http://www.saludacymbals.com/d/images/5bk2x.jpg
http://www.saludacymbals.com/d/images/5bk3.jpg
and, haha, believe it not, that is his perfect kit. and i doubt that bass drum booms, really. cause like Fourstringdrums said. the deeper tha bass drum,the harder you have to push. so its would sound like crap.

Don't think that FT is being used as a snare. Depends on what kind of music he's playing, could be his perfect setup. I bet that bass drum BOOMS!!

Alex

[Muffled Tom]

naw. he is using the a FT as a snare. it has a stainer on it. Saluda custom drums made that kit. also the cymbals. here is a couple more pics of the kit...:
http://www.saludacymbals.com/d/images/5bk2x.jpg
http://www.saludacymbals.com/d/images/5bk3.jpg
and, haha, believe it not, that is his perfect kit. and i doubt that bass drum booms, really. cause like Fourstringdrums said. the deeper tha bass drum,the harder you have to push. so its would sound like crap.
Alex

Wow it does have a snare strainer on it.. haha that is WEIRD.

Any recordings of this set anyone knows of? I'm really curious to know how the mega-bass and floor-tom-snare sound...

[KarlCrafton]

The kick size I've used for the last 5 or 6 years is a 20X26 (before the 26 I was using a 20X28), but if I had room on my 6' X 8' drum rug, I'd use a longer bass drum.

The 20" deep I have now sounds really great, but a longer one would look awesome.

I remember Vinnie Paul with the 26X26's.

There's a drummer in Detroit named Gunner Ross--Ted Nugent, Blackfoot, and a couple other things...locally he was with (The Almighty) Strut.
He was a Ludwig endorser for many years, and he had custom Ludwig 30X30 kick drums!

They sounded great through a PA, but up close...not so good...haha!
But they looked cool as hell!

[svkelleher10]

Saulda made that set.

I supposedly endorse their cymbals.

But i might drop it because their cymbals are nothing special.

You may be able to go to their drum site and find a sound link for it.

[The popes love child]

I plan on converting a Meinl 18X22 Aluminum Surdo into a bass drum, I think it's going to sound killer.

[driver]

I'm not sure about the long kick but that kit looks amazing. The white and gold in a nice bring room. Who is the drummer? Would like to see a vid of him playing.

[bojangleman]

ya..i already posted that. and yes, he indorses there cymbals too. and i disagree with you on their cymbals being "nothing special". lol have you seen some of their cymbals? they are awesome looking. and they sound awesome too. and there is no sound files of the kit on their site. but there are cymbal sound bites on there site, to prove that they are awesome..

Saulda made that set.

I supposedly endorse their cymbals.

But i might drop it because their cymbals are nothing special.

You may be able to go to their drum site and find a sound link for it.

Alex

[mosesman]

Saulda made that set.

I supposedly endorse their cymbals.

But i might drop it because their cymbals are nothing special.

You may be able to go to their drum site and find a sound link for it.

Man, I don't get where you're coming from. How can you say they're nothing special, when a couple days ago you posted asking for opinions on them? You said you'd barely played on them and didn't even remember what line it was.

I have Saluda cymbals, and I couldn't be happier. Even if it wasn't right the first time, Jamie's been tireless in taking them back and reworking them to my specifications. And now I've got a set that I couldn't be prouder to own. When I play in clubs/bars, there will sometimes be other drummers in the audience--ususally the first thing out of their mouth is asking what cymbals I use... "are those old Ks?"

Go ahead and drop the "endorsement". You obviously aren't a good fit. Like I said in your other thread, endorsements are from the drummer FOR the product. If you think they're nothing special, you owe it to yourself and Saluda to drop the endorsement...

[Latin Groover]

Man, I don't get where you're coming from. How can you say they're nothing special, when a couple days ago you posted asking for opinions on them? You said you'd barely played on them and didn't even remember what line it was.

I have Saluda cymbals, and I couldn't be happier. Even if it wasn't right the first time, Jamie's been tireless in taking them back and reworking them to my specifications. And now I've got a set that I couldn't be prouder to own. When I play in clubs/bars, there will sometimes be other drummers in the audience--ususally the first thing out of their mouth is asking what cymbals I use... "are those old Ks?"

Go ahead and drop the "endorsement". You obviously aren't a good fit. Like I said in your other thread, endorsements are from the drummer FOR the product. If you think they're nothing special, you owe it to yourself and Saluda to drop the endorsement...

I was just about to post that. The other day you where asking for opinions on Saluda, saying you might get an endorsement, but probably not because you don't really have experience with them. Now you say that you "supposedly endorse their cymbals" yet."But i might drop it because their cymbals are nothing special"...What the?...

[drumr0]

Neat looking kit, but ATTACK heads??? Eeewwww...

[Latin Groover]

Neat looking kit, but ATTACK heads??? Eeewwww...

Whats wrong with Attack?

[Velimor]

Check this thing out.. it is very odd... I wonder how it sounds...


Like poop, most likely. Well, I'm sure the toms sound good, like any other Keller shells. But the bass and snare I just can't imagine sounding good.

By the way, this isn't meant as a rag on Saluda. It's the customer, after all, that chose these sizes.

[Mr. Pasquini]

Saulda made that set.

I supposedly endorse their cymbals.

But i might drop it because their cymbals are nothing special.

You may be able to go to their drum site and find a sound link for it.

...you don't endorse their cymbals... do you even know what an endorsement is? If you endorsed them you'd have something other than ZBTs and Yamaha/Paiste 101 hats and ride

[fourstringdrums]

Saulda made that set.

I supposedly endorse their cymbals.

But i might drop it because their cymbals are nothing special.

You may be able to go to their drum site and find a sound link for it.

You are full of it.

A) If you had an endorsement you'd know for 100% sure that you did.

B) If you were endorsed you would have approached them yourself, not the other way around. You would have only done that if you believed in the product.

C) Saluda states on their website "One important factor is enthusiasm for our product, especially for those seeking a cymbal endorsement. We get tons of cymbal endorsement requests from those who have no experience with our cymbals. We think it is very important to have some experience before asking for an endorsement. This will allow time to understand our cymbals and to know about their dynamics and versatility. Those applying, who already use some of our cymbals, show a higher level of enthusiasm than those who do not use them." You don't strike me as someone who they are describing, therefore it's very unlikely that you actually got an endorsement.

D) You own none. If you did endorse them, you'd have some, because again, they want people who are familiar with the cymbals and that means that you'd have to be playing them BEFORE you ask for an endorsement.

[drumr0]

Whats wrong with Attack?

I shouldn't bash brands and I apologize if I offended. I bought an attack snare drum head once and completely wore it out in 2 hours.

[Deathmetalconga]

Only if you slam the hell out of it. The deeper the bass drum, the more force is required to push the air to get everything tonally out of that bass drum. I would imagine that a bass drum like that, the average person playing it, it is not going to sound that spectacular unless they're really whailing on it.

The average person and a decent pedal would have no problem opening up that drum. The predominance of shallow drums is a relatively new development in music anyway. Worldwide, most drums historically and to this day have greater depth than width - and this means primarily hand drums and non-Western stick drums. Presumably the foot has greater force at its disposal than the hand. I play some very large ashikos that have interior volumes not too far below that bass drum. Also, shell thickness, tension and head type can improve the responsiveness of deep drums.

The projection and richness you get out of deep drums is amazing. This set must sound incredible.

[fourstringdrums]

The average person and a decent pedal would have no problem opening up that drum. The predominance of shallow drums is a relatively new development in music anyway. Worldwide, most drums historically and to this day have greater depth than width - and this means primarily hand drums and non-Western stick drums. Presumably the foot has greater force at its disposal than the hand. I play some very large ashikos that have interior volumes not too far below that bass drum. Also, shell thickness, tension and head type can improve the responsiveness of deep drums.

The projection and richness you get out of deep drums is amazing. This set must sound incredible.

True but many sources I've read from articles on bass drums in MD, to Bob Gatzen have said that the deeper the drum, the more power required to push all that air. There for with a drum that deep, unless you can push that air, you are not going to use the drum to its potential.

[punkdrummer1]

I just recently saw a sjc kit which is 26x26. I'd love to give the longer kick a try!

[nickg]

Whats wrong with Attack?

really...everyone knows that if it's not remo or evans it sucks, right???

what a crock!!

[drummerchick435]

Wow...imagine finding a case for that cannon of a bass drum!

[KarlCrafton]

Wow...imagine finding a case for that cannon of a bass drum!

Yeah, it'd be tough haha!

You'd have to get a custom "Anvil" type case made.

That guy I was talking about with the 30X30's never had cases for them either.

The cases for two of those wouldn't even fit in a van, you'd have use one of those moving van type trucks!!

That local band probably had one of those anyway (for the whole band), but with cases on those bass drums, you'd need one truck just for the drums!!

That's one of the reasons I haven't gone deeper than 20" on my 26 & 28" kicks--that 28 used to scare people haha! (no joke, it was pretty funny a couple times haha!).

The 20" deeps fit pretty snug and almost to the end of the top in the 18" deep Enduro cases.

I wouldn't want drum sticking out of the case, but a 24 or 26 X 26 would be sweet.

[Muffled Tom]

Wow...imagine finding a case for that cannon of a bass drum!

Couldn't you find, maybe, a very wide octoban case for it?

[Rick H.]

I would imagine he has to muffle the hell outta that set

[Les Ismore]

.... back to the snare drum, it looks like a marching snare with floor tom brackets attached.

I don't know of any 14" FT's that come 12 lugs

[tbmills]

.... back to the snare drum, it looks like a marching snare with floor tom brackets attached.

I don't know of any 14" FT's that come 12 lugs

great eye! ive seen a guy doing this and it made me really jealous. it was the most thuddy snare ive heard and it was still articulate. creamy goodness. :)

[barryabko]

I've made several tom to snare conversions using Pearl Free Floating bottom frames:

10" x 14" Sonor Phonic white
10" x 14" Sonor Phonic rosewood
14" x 14" Sonor Phonic white
14" x 14" Sonor Signature ebony

They all sound awesome! They have tremendous dynamic range and don't compress at high peak volume levels. Plus, talk about "fat" sounding!

The advantage of using the Pearl frames is that I didn't have to drill any holes in the shells and they are easily converted back to toms at any time.

I have also used marching snares in my kit - Ludwig Classic maple 10" x 14", Ludwig Classic maple 12" x 15" and Pearl 12" x 14" maple. They also were very good but I prefer the beech shells of the Sonors compared to the maple shells of the Ludwigs and Pearl. The maple were good but were more prominent in the upper midrange - more prominent than I prefer. The Ludwig 12" x 15" was just too wide to fit comfortably between my legs.

Barry

[Mikecore]

My experience with bass drums suggests that shallow basses are good for getting an actual note, assuming that you want it to sound an "A" or "C#" or what have you. After you pass the 16" deep and deeper mark, you lose the tonal note and start getting more punch and kick. Past 20-22", the average bass drum gets boxy, and beyond that I wouldn't know. Perhaps it all cycles around again, and the really deep kick manages a note. I'll bet he doesn't need much muffling in that thing, though.