Gretsch Renown Maple vrs Pearl Masters MCX

[metal overlord]

Ok, I know alot of you guys out there see a post by me and go "great, this guy again..." But i'm really sirious about getting the best drum set for my money.


Anyway, Which set is better?

I know all you are going to say "which one do YOU like better" and so on, but I like both is the problem.

The MCX is 22x18 bass drum, 10x8 and 12x9 toms, 16x16 floor tom, with a free 5.5x14 Snare Drum. Not the "best" color options, as of what I saw. On the website it's not even listen on the masters line for colors. I'de most likely going to get a double-pedal Iron Cobra power glide, unless I can find DW 9000 cheaper.

The Gretsch is 10x8 and 12x9 Toms, 14x14 Floor Tom, and 22x18 Bass Drum, with a free 8x7 tom. No snare (grestch doesn't make the best snares either, i'll just use my old one). It's got awesome fade colors (I'de get the cherry one, to bad they don't make an emerald green fade like DW does though). Very great sound, punchy, lots of volume, clear, great boom from the bass drum, same as the Pearl exept maybe a little better (like 1 compared to 0.99999999). Although, I prefer a 16 floor tom. That's the only thing. But the free 8" tom and being $50 cheaper is nice. Again I'de get a Iron Cobra power glide double pedal.

The MCX is $1500, and the Renown is $1450.

And I will get Sabain AAX cymbals with these, that's one thing I have settled on (thank god!).

So Drummerworld, which set quality, sound, and everything else wise would be the prefered choice?

[metal overlord]

C'mon no one? Nobody has a preferance?

[tomk]

Alot of your threads have to do with your indecision. You seem like a really unsure person about alot of things. Man up and make a decision and stick buy it. But really, the best thing you can do is play both of them and see what you like. There's no other way. You'll have people on here saying the pearl is bettter or the gretsch is better. Its really up to you, it really is. It shouldn't matter what other people think, because they aren't the one's buying the kit. Play both of them, see whihc one like the sound of better, what feels more sturdier etc.

[tomk]

btw I've just read your post in it's entirety and it already looks like you've made your decision with the Gretsch.

[bojangleman]

by the looks of your name, and some other posts...your into metal/hardrock. i usually dont like pearl, but since this is there higher quality, i would say go with the pearl. cause if your into metal, a 14x14 floor isnt gonna get ya anywhere..lol...but agian, it is all up to you..

Alex

[metal overlord]

by the looks of your name, and some other posts...your into metal/hardrock. i usually dont like pearl, but since this is there higher quality, i would say go with the pearl. cause if your into metal, a 14x14 floor isnt gonna get ya anywhere..lol...but agian, it is all up to you..

Alex



Yep, Thats my point entirely.

But it sounded amazing, it sounded like... a bubinga 16 floor tom.

[metal overlord]

Alot of your threads have to do with your indecision. You seem like a really unsure person about alot of things. Man up and make a decision and stick buy it. But really, the best thing you can do is play both of them and see what you like. There's no other way. You'll have people on here saying the pearl is bettter or the gretsch is better. Its really up to you, it really is. It shouldn't matter what other people think, because they aren't the one's buying the kit. Play both of them, see whihc one like the sound of better, what feels more sturdier etc.

Like I said, They both sound great. I didn't get much of a chance to play the pearl because it wasn't set up, I just took a tom off and hit it. The grestch was set up, unforutatly in lefty but I still played it.

Unsure person? I'm more "lazy" that unsure, the thing is though, Pearl has all these great reps and it's a Masters! Who doesn't like a kit that says masters on it! Lol, now that that's out of the way, I'm not a big fan of 14x14, it's not like that's going to change my opinion, it sounded great, but i'de rather a 16.

[Deathmetalconga]

Alot of your threads have to do with your indecision. You seem like a really unsure person about alot of things. Man up and make a decision and stick buy it. But really, the best thing you can do is play both of them and see what you like. There's no other way. You'll have people on here saying the pearl is bettter or the gretsch is better. Its really up to you, it really is. It shouldn't matter what other people think, because they aren't the one's buying the kit. Play both of them, see whihc one like the sound of better, what feels more sturdier etc.

LOL!!

All other things being equal, go with the one that is made in the US. That would be the Gretsch set.

[tizzdizz]

My $.02:

Go to www.drumsonsale.com. This month, they're having a sale on Pearl Masters MCX kits for $1099, but you have to just click "sign up", since it's below the minimum allowed advertised price. I almost bought these. I believe shipping is free, too, but I could be wrong.

On the other hand, I just went to Guitar Center a couple hours ago and fell in love with a cherry burst renown kit. Same exact deal that you're describing. The kit wasn't set up, but I whacked on all the toms, and they really sing! Without trying the Pearl, I can't say how they compare, but I'm sold on the Renowns. I'm actually hoping to go pick them up tomorrow. Funny that we're both considering the same exact two kits...

I like the fit and finish of the Renown better, and it ends up being a six piece, since I already have a decent snare. The 14" floor tom sang especially well. It resonated forever! I would go back, and ask if you can set it up and tune the toms to where you'd want them. Do a real test drive.

[Zinnman]

FYI the renowns are not made in the USA but in Taiwan. BUT..........nonetheless their quality is there and they do sound great. I own a set!

[Lynchie]

Metal Overlord,
Your purchasing dilema is identical to mine. I too was flipping the coin between Gretsch Renown and the Pearl MCX Masters. Still a dilema for me however, I truly believe whatever decision you make you'll be happy. I bumped into a Gretsch rep at a GC and asked his opinion and, of course, he tried to sell his product and one of his selling points was that the Gretsch mounting system was better than the Pearl. With the Renowns you'll get a virgin bass drum and have to mount your toms as shown in their advertisement i.e.connected to a cymbal stand or get a rack system. Since my purchase may be a ways off...PLEASE tell us what you end up getting and why and your final thoughts!

PS I thought the Pearl did not come with the snare and the Gretsch did. Also, Modern Drummer recently did a review on the Pearl MCX and gave it a good review. Said the drum were great (this was the edition a month or so ago with the Max Roach tribute).

[Manicoti]

Make sure you inspect the bearing edges if you can. I have a set and when i first got them, i had a terrible time tuning them. I took all the heads off and checked the edges out. I put the drums on a hard surface and could see a considerable gap in some spots. I had to have the edges recut by another company. Gretsch would not help me at all! The lack of customer service is what really ticked me off. Because of this experience, i'll never buy another Gretsch kit again.....
M

[aydee]

Ok, I know alot of you guys out there see a post by me and go "great, this guy again..." But i'm really sirious about getting the best drum set for my money.


Anyway, Which set is better?

I know all you are going to say "which one do YOU like better" and so on, but I like both is the problem.

The MCX is 22x18 bass drum, 10x8 and 12x9 toms, 16x16 floor tom, with a free 5.5x14 Snare Drum. Not the "best" color options, as of what I saw. On the website it's not even listen on the masters line for colors. I'de most likely going to get a double-pedal Iron Cobra power glide, unless I can find DW 9000 cheaper.

The Gretsch is 10x8 and 12x9 Toms, 14x14 Floor Tom, and 22x18 Bass Drum, with a free 8x7 tom. No snare (grestch doesn't make the best snares either, i'll just use my old one). It's got awesome fade colors (I'de get the cherry one, to bad they don't make an emerald green fade like DW does though). Very great sound, punchy, lots of volume, clear, great boom from the bass drum, same as the Pearl exept maybe a little better (like 1 compared to 0.99999999). Although, I prefer a 16 floor tom. That's the only thing. But the free 8" tom and being $50 cheaper is nice. Again I'de get a Iron Cobra power glide double pedal.

The MCX is $1500, and the Renown is $1450.

And I will get Sabain AAX cymbals with these, that's one thing I have settled on (thank god!).

So Drummerworld, which set quality, sound, and everything else wise would be the prefered choice?

WHAT??? are you kidding..? Renowns, of course!

[GRUNTERSDAD]

I just bought the Cherry Burst Renown and think they are great. Make sure about the snare since there was a post here 2 days ago about whether the snare is included in the shell pack or not. Buyer beware. You can look at the Your gear section and I put a sound byte there for the kit. I would have preferred a 16 floor tom as well but the 14 sounds fine. Go for it, I will make up your mind for you. Think about re-sale value down the road.

[fourstringdrums]

I'd go with the Gretsch but like Gruntersdad said, make sure you get the snare, it should be included. Even if you're not going to use it you can always sell it. I don't know what you mean though about Gretsch not making the best snares, Gretsch makes great snares. True the Catalina snares might not be anything special, but the Renowns are as good as any other snare in that price range and I have Hammered Black Chrome Steel (which I'm actually going to be selling) that is great as well.

[metal overlord]

Metal Overlord,
Your purchasing dilema is identical to mine. I too was flipping the coin between Gretsch Renown and the Pearl MCX Masters. Still a dilema for me however, I truly believe whatever decision you make you'll be happy. I bumped into a Gretsch rep at a GC and asked his opinion and, of course, he tried to sell his product and one of his selling points was that the Gretsch mounting system was better than the Pearl. With the Renowns you'll get a virgin bass drum and have to mount your toms as shown in their advertisement i.e.connected to a cymbal stand or get a rack system. Since my purchase may be a ways off...PLEASE tell us what you end up getting and why and your final thoughts!

PS I thought the Pearl did not come with the snare and the Gretsch did. Also, Modern Drummer recently did a review on the Pearl MCX and gave it a good review. Said the drum were great (this was the edition a month or so ago with the Max Roach tribute).


The Pearl was a virgin bass drum too, If it had drilled tom mounts or drilled bass I wouldn't buy it!

[metal overlord]

I'd go with the Gretsch but like Gruntersdad said, make sure you get the snare, it should be included. Even if you're not going to use it you can always sell it. I don't know what you mean though about Gretsch not making the best snares, Gretsch makes great snares. True the Catalina snares might not be anything special, but the Renowns are as good as any other snare in that price range and I have Hammered Black Chrome Steel (which I'm actually going to be selling) that is great as well.

But with a new snare drum, I want it to match. I don't want a green snare with a red kit, or a blue snare with an orange kit! Lol, I might get a Back Panther, though. That or this Tama snare I found that sounds amazing.

[metal overlord]

Make sure you inspect the bearing edges if you can. I have a set and when i first got them, i had a terrible time tuning them. I took all the heads off and checked the edges out. I put the drums on a hard surface and could see a considerable gap in some spots. I had to have the edges recut by another company. Gretsch would not help me at all! The lack of customer service is what really ticked me off. Because of this experience, i'll never buy another Gretsch kit again.....
M

Gretsch is bad with bearing edges? Really? Last time I tried to check the edges the guy got mad because I took the skin off and he said "I have to tune that all over again!".

[metal overlord]

I don't like the colors on the Pearl much, not a big choice. I was hoping for some fade/burst colors, but some of them were WRAPS! I HATE wraps!

[Manicoti]

Gretsch is bad with bearing edges? Really? Last time I tried to check the edges the guy got mad because I took the skin off and he said "I have to tune that all over again!".

Wow, that's a lousy salesperson!!
I'm not saying that it's the case with all Gretsch renown kits, i was unlucky and ended up with a lemon. However, i bought this kit when the renowns first came out, in fact it has the same badge as the USA Custom series, their quality control is probably a lot better now.
M

[metal overlord]

by the looks of your name, and some other posts...your into metal/hardrock. i usually dont like pearl, but since this is there higher quality, i would say go with the pearl. cause if your into metal, a 14x14 floor isnt gonna get ya anywhere..lol...but agian, it is all up to you..

Alex

it sounded good for a 14 though, I still prefer a 16, because my plan in all was to add onto my kit as years progress. Like I'de buy a simple 5 piece (or 6), with 10, 12, 16, 22. Then get an 18, then another 22,a 13, a 14, and an 8 (If I got the Gretsch i'de get this, but no 16). But with the Pearl you get all that, but you don't get many awesome colors, or a free 8" tom.

[tizzdizz]

OK, I bought a Renown Kit tonight. I'm really really excited. I feel like a 3 year old with new matchbox cars! I'm gonna go set it up and look at it (too late to play it). I'll try to get some pictures of it, and I'll make a thread in the "your gear" section. I'll do a quick video too, so those who are wondering about it can get a more in-depth look. I may even try some outdoor pictures.

I'm so damn excited! Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just thought I'd share, since it's related to the subject.

[metal overlord]

OK, I bought a Renown Kit tonight. I'm really really excited. I feel like a 3 year old with new matchbox cars! I'm gonna go set it up and look at it (too late to play it). I'll try to get some pictures of it, and I'll make a thread in the "your gear" section. I'll do a quick video too, so those who are wondering about it can get a more in-depth look. I may even try some outdoor pictures.

I'm so damn excited! Sorry, I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just thought I'd share, since it's related to the subject.



...not really, this is about which one I should choose.

[metal overlord]

Well, to make matters worse, I plsyed both kits. They're both great. The Gretsch had more attack and punch with clearity and warmth, but the Pearl sounded fabulous,too. Not as much attack, but the warmth, clearity, and deepness sounded amazing. I only played the 10" tom though, cause it was'nt sel up.

[tomk]

Well, to make matters worse, I plsyed both kits. They're both great. The Gretsch had more attack and punch with clearity and warmth, but the Pearl sounded fabulous,too. Not as much attack, but the warmth, clearity, and deepness sounded amazing. I only played the 10" tom though, cause it was'nt sel up.

You mentioned you've only played a tom tom on the pearl kit twice already. Ask them to set it up for you and play the damn thing already. If you really knew what you wanted, you'd have a kit by now. If you don't know what you want, then you shouldn't be buying a kit of that magnitude or level. If you want the sizes the Pearl offers and the warth, clearity, and deepness of the pearl kit, as well, you seem to be into metal. hardrock, than put two and two together and buy the pearl kit. When your paying the amount you are for the level of kit these two are, the $50 should make a d*ick of a difference. Just get the pearl already.

[bojangleman]

get it tomk...lol..

You mentioned you've only played a tom tom on the pearl kit twice already. Ask them to set it up for you and play the damn thing already. If you really knew what you wanted, you'd have a kit by now. If you don't know what you want, then you shouldn't be buying a kit of that magnitude or level. If you want the sizes the Pearl offers and the warth, clearity, and deepness of the pearl kit, as well, you seem to be into metal. hardrock, than put two and two together and buy the pearl kit. When your paying the amount you are for the level of kit these two are, the $50 should make a d*ick of a difference. Just get the pearl already.

Alex

[tomk]

get it tomk...lol..



Alex


No but seriously. Why does he make things so complicated. He should get a peice of paper, and write the pros and cons of each kit. Then see how that pans out. Or at least play the full kit of both first instead of playing a tom tom here, a tom tom there. When you sit behind a kit, it should just feeel right.

[metal overlord]

You mentioned you've only played a tom tom on the pearl kit twice already. Ask them to set it up for you and play the damn thing already. If you really knew what you wanted, you'd have a kit by now. If you don't know what you want, then you shouldn't be buying a kit of that magnitude or level. If you want the sizes the Pearl offers and the warth, clearity, and deepness of the pearl kit, as well, you seem to be into metal. hardrock, than put two and two together and buy the pearl kit. When your paying the amount you are for the level of kit these two are, the $50 should make a d*ick of a difference. Just get the pearl already.


Jeez, we get it. Settle down. Were not dealing with a bomb here, governor. And I know what I want, and $50 could be a great save because I'm in need of a new stand! lol

[metal overlord]

No but seriously. Why does he make things so complicated. He should get a peice of paper, and write the pros and cons of each kit. Then see how that pans out. Or at least play the full kit of both first instead of playing a tom tom here, a tom tom there. When you sit behind a kit, it should just feeel right.

....I make things complicated? Why do you make it like a matter of life and death here?


Anyway, them idiots set up the Pearl kit? I doubt they'd do that, they aren't the best salespeople in the world.

[Derek]

My vote - the Renowns ! They're a great sounding kit and you're getting value as well.
In an earlier post of yours you sounded like this was the one you like. Go get it.

But, if you can get the same price elsewhere, do so. These guys you describe at the store sound like real tools and I wouldn't want to give their store my money.

[metal overlord]

My vote - the Renowns ! They're a great sounding kit and you're getting value as well.
In an earlier post of yours you sounded like this was the one you like. Go get it.

But, if you can get the same price elsewhere, do so. These guys you describe at the store sound like real tools and I wouldn't want to give their store my money.



thants kinda funny because it's Guitar Center. But they are idiots, both lazy teens who are just there for money.

[Derek]

thants kinda funny because it's Guitar Center. But they are idiots, both lazy teens who are just there for money.

Well hopefully someday they'll learn the lesson in selling that helping the customer get exactly what they want will bring them more of that money that they want.

[tomk]

....I make things complicated? Why do you make it like a matter of life and death here?


Anyway, them idiots set up the Pearl kit? I doubt they'd do that, they aren't the best salespeople in the world.

I'm not trying to make it a matter of life and death, it's just that you are on here going back and fourth like a mad man, yet you haven't played behind the Pearl full kit yet. It's just like, do it already and then you can make your decision. I can relate to the situation of teenager sales associates. They are absolutely horrible. All the drum sales associates at my local music shop have all of a sudden gotten alot younger. They are smug and are horrible at customer relations. They don't know a lot about drum equipment. No respectable musician or person can build a friendship or repore with those guys because they know so little and it's impossible to do so. So I understand that, but it's about YOUR money and I'd grab them buy the balls and tell them that you want this kit set-up because you are thinking of getting it.

[metal overlord]

I'm not trying to make it a matter of life and death, it's just that you are on here going back and fourth like a mad man, yet you haven't played behind the Pearl full kit yet. It's just like, do it already and then you can make your decision. I can relate to the situation of teenager sales associates. They are absolutely horrible. All the drum sales associates at my local music shop have all of a sudden gotten alot younger. They are smug and are horrible at customer relations. They don't know a lot about drum equipment. No respectable musician or person can build a friendship or repore with those guys because they know so little and it's impossible to do so. So I understand that, but it's about YOUR money and I'd grab them buy the balls and tell them that you want this kit set-up because you are thinking of getting it.


hahahaha great way to put it man. I totally agree

[Mystic]

Christ, I didn't even know you can get those kits for such good prices... damn, I'm gonna go look for my next upgrade now.

[tizzdizz]

Sorry man, I just thought you'd be interested in my take on the Renown. Good luck with your decision! It's exciting getting a new kit.

[contemplativedrummer]

He should get a peice of paper, and write the pros and cons of each kit. Then see how that pans out. Or at least play the full kit of both first instead of playing a tom tom here, a tom tom there. When you sit behind a kit, it should just feeel right.

Good idea. Set up a plain, honest pros vs cons list and list everything that would factor into the new kit (mind you, make sure price comes LAST since the prices are that close).

For instance, do you prefer the Pearl tom mounts over the Gretsch ones? What about finishes? Which kit has the better bearing edges? Which kit has more options for the add-ons you've been asking about?

And don't let those sales reps boss you around, YOU'RE the one making the large purchase for THEIR benefit. They should be HELPING you, not HINDERING you.

And definitely try to do the best side-by-side comparison you can. Bring in your favorite sticks and try out at least a bass from each kit (with an Iron Cobra, the pedals/beaters can make a great impact on the bass drum's sound) and two other drums from each kit (snare & floor tom preferably, but probably two toms if they actually don't offer that Gretsch snare).


I would also recommend checking out Professor Sound's Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/) for some extra help. That guy knows his stuff.

[metal overlord]

Good idea. Set up a plain, honest pros vs cons list and list everything that would factor into the new kit (mind you, make sure price comes LAST since the prices are that close).

For instance, do you prefer the Pearl tom mounts over the Gretsch ones? What about finishes? Which kit has the better bearing edges? Which kit has more options for the add-ons you've been asking about?

And don't let those sales reps boss you around, YOU'RE the one making the large purchase for THEIR benefit. They should be HELPING you, not HINDERING you.

And definitely try to do the best side-by-side comparison you can. Bring in your favorite sticks and try out at least a bass from each kit (with an Iron Cobra, the pedals/beaters can make a great impact on the bass drum's sound) and two other drums from each kit (snare & floor tom preferably, but probably two toms if they actually don't offer that Gretsch snare).


I would also recommend checking out Professor Sound's Site (http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/) for some extra help. That guy knows his stuff.

Thanks! I'm hopefully going to get to guitar center later on into the week, it'll just be a living hell to get in there now.

Wait a sec, I already have that guide! I printed it out not to long ago. Good stuff!

[metal overlord]

I just bought the Cherry Burst Renown and think they are great. Make sure about the snare since there was a post here 2 days ago about whether the snare is included in the shell pack or not. Buyer beware. You can look at the Your gear section and I put a sound byte there for the kit. I would have preferred a 16 floor tom as well but the 14 sounds fine. Go for it, I will make up your mind for you. Think about re-sale value down the road.

Why would I sell such a beauty?! Ha, anyway. Thats true, but, same thing goes for the Pearl. People like it when the Masters logo is on there. Makes them feel special lol.

[metal overlord]

So, I made a pros and cons list.

Anyone know what the differance between Optimount Tom Holders and GTS Mounting System is?

[my sacred music]

gretsch birch kits are nice to check those out but deff the gretsch.

[metal overlord]

gretsch birch kits are nice to check those out but deff the gretsch.

Nah, I prefer maple over birch. I've been there already.

Anyway, I love the Gretsch, but I don't like 14 floor toms!


But, maybe, I should get it. Because it has better colors, it's cleaper, and it comes with a free 8 tom!

Then again, the Pearl comes with a 16, and it sounds great!

[fourstringdrums]

gretsch birch kits are nice to check those out but deff the gretsch.

The Gretsch Birch kits are actually discontinued. If anyone wants one they'll have to look used.

[metal overlord]

The Gretsch Birch kits are actually discontinued. If anyone wants one they'll have to look used.

If I wanted a birch kit i'de just go to Mapex or Tama anyway.

[metal overlord]

OK, If anybody can tell me, does the MCX have drilled or virgin bass drum? It looks drilled!
If thats the case, is there a model that has a virgin bass, thats still an MCX? Because there's no way im going to pay $2100 for a MRP (better version of the MCX), no matter how good they are.

I know the Gretsch has all floating toms, and a virgin bass drum. So, yeah.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

What blind bit of difference does a Virgin bass drum make at this level anyway?

[TopCat]

What blind bit of difference does a Virgin bass drum make at this level anyway?
It sounds sexy..?....................................

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

It sounds sexy..?....................................


We all have our own styles and ways, Tom...

[metal overlord]

What blind bit of difference does a Virgin bass drum make at this level anyway?

I don't know...?

*trys to make an excuse*
I got it!

Easier to lug around. Not having to worry about the little arms of the bass drum to snag onto anything, or make it not fit through a door, ect.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

The top plate isn't going to get stuck in a door. You can always take the mounting pole off if you want to mount your toms from the stands. The legs are always going to be there on a bass drum and those are the parts that get caught.

[metal overlord]

The top plate isn't going to get stuck in a door. You can always take the mounting pole off if you want to mount your toms from the stands. The legs are always going to be there on a bass drum and those are the parts that get caught.

I know you can take the mounts off and put a plate on it ( I know Pearl makes thoughs).

But, I really can't tell yoy want kit I would get until I play the MCX set up, with Iron Cobra double pedals.

[metal overlord]

Anyway, Mediocre, which kit do you prefer? And why?

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Well I'd get the Gretsch, I heavily dislike the Pearl mounting hardware. Pearl makes good shells but I really don't like the Optimounts or the ISS.

[harryconway]

[QUOTE=Mediocrefunkybeat;391209 Pearl makes good shells but I really don't like the Optimounts or the ISS.[/QUOTE]
And that, in and of itself, would be the best reason to order kick and rack toms virgin.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

And that, in and of itself, would be the best reason to order kick and rack toms virgin.

Yes indeed, but that's only on the Pearl. I don't honestly care about Virgin bass drums under normal circumstances, in fact 'isolation mounts' to me are hardly relevant. That is just me, though.

[metal overlord]

Well I'd get the Gretsch, I heavily dislike the Pearl mounting hardware. Pearl makes good shells but I really don't like the Optimounts or the ISS.

Neither do I, But they stills sound great!

But, I wonder. I wonder If I can buy a Gretsch Renown, but get a 16" instead of the 14". I should ask about that.

[TopCat]

We all have our own styles and ways, Tom...
Everytime I see 'Virgin Kick' my head reads 'Bruised Groin'

[metal overlord]

Everytime I see 'Virgin Kick' my head reads 'Bruised Groin'


hahahaha, that's so true.

[metal overlord]

I think I made my decision.

Gretsch Renown Maple, in cherry burst.

I'm going to go to Midwest Purcussion soon (yes, the store, not the site) and talk to the sales guy there. Because they can order a 16x16 floor tom in place of the 14", I think.

:D

[fourstringdrums]

I think I made my decision.

Gretsch Renown Maple, in cherry burst.

I'm going to go to Midwest Purcussion soon (yes, the store, not the site) and talk to the sales guy there. Because they can order a 16x16 floor tom in place of the 14", I think.

:D

If you're buying a shell pack they most likely can't break it up. If you want to have a 16" you'll have to order individual drums and it will cost more in the long run.

[metal overlord]

If you're buying a shell pack they most likely can't break it up. If you want to have a 16" you'll have to order individual drums and it will cost more in the long run.

Aw really?

I'll have to talk to the guy, maybe cut a deal.

[fourstringdrums]

Aw really?

I'll have to talk to the guy, maybe cut a deal.

Yes because the shell packs are put together by Gretsch and meant to be sold together. But, they might be able to work something out. I just know that I've never been able to do a swap with anyone.

[XboxIsAGodToMe]

Get the damn Pearl already!!! The Optimounts are amazing, extremely flexible, and nowhere near as wobbly as any kind of GTS, RIMS style suspension system. Also, yes you can get the MCX with a virgin bass, just may take a little longer. I've played both the Renown and the MCX, and I'd have to say, in terms of sound, quality, and even customer service, I'd go Pearl, hands down.

[44Ronin]

The Gretsch sound better IMO. PERIOD.

Smoother, Warmer and more full-bodied. The gretsch sound so much more melodic and tonal.

The MCX has much thicker shells..

[Derek]

I think I made my decision.

Gretsch Renown Maple, in cherry burst.

I'm going to go to Midwest Purcussion soon (yes, the store, not the site) and talk to the sales guy there. Because they can order a 16x16 floor tom in place of the 14", I think.

:D

Why not just get the Renown shell pack as is. A few months down the road, add the 16" floor tom. It won't cost that much and you'll have a very nice 7 piece kit. A short period of time with that 14" floor tom won't make you suffer. You'll have a new kit ! ( and from how you sound on this thread, the one you wanted all long )

[Derek]

And see post # 64. I second that.

[tomk]

I'd rahter go with the pearls once you are able to play them. THey have thicker shells, and a more powerful sound . Better for rock/ metal. I'll have to go with their hardware/ mounts as well. They appear to be better designed for harder hitting.

[metal overlord]

The Gretsch sounded really full bodied and loud. Sounded like it can cut through quite alot. I geuss you guys are right, I should'nt make up my mind yet. I haven't fully played the Pearl.

[metal overlord]

I'm getting a rack anyways, so would the GTS still be wobly on that?


anyone know?

[metal overlord]

Well, i'm going to guitar center today. I hope to God that i'm going to decide. I'm still leaning for the Gretsch, though. I thought it sounded very very good.

[Derek]

Well ... ?

( I hope that you came home with a kit )

[metal overlord]

No, I didn't. Stupid Tama Starclassic Birch/Bubinga!

*slaps head*

Why...

why...

why must there be another decision! I'm very bad at making them, actually I couldn't really choose to save my life. At guitar center a while back I had to be there for 4 hours trying to pick out cymbals! "this one is bright and fast, but this one is very crisp and loud".

[razorx]

No, I didn't. Stupid Tama Starclassic Birch/Bubinga!

*slaps head*

Why...

why...

why must there be another decision! I'm very bad at making them, actually I couldn't really choose to save my life. At guitar center a while back I had to be there for 4 hours trying to pick out cymbals! "this one is bright and fast, but this one is very crisp and loud".

you arent going to beable to get the monster kit that you want. I think they only come in a 5 piece shell pack with no ad ons. i could be wrong about this. If you were going to with the bubinga birch id wait and see what other fineshes come out becasue other countries have different fineshes and i think that they will be making their way to the us very soon.

[metal overlord]

you arent going to beable to get the monster kit that you want. I think they only come in a 5 piece shell pack with no ad ons. i could be wrong about this. If you were going to with the bubinga birch id wait and see what other fineshes come out becasue other countries have different fineshes and i think that they will be making their way to the us very soon.

I stepped away from that Idea. I'm now going to get a simple 5 piece with new cymbals, a rack, and iron cobras. I'm just going to add on as the years progress. Trust me, I've put alot of time into this.

But! Does the B/B come in any colors other than a wrap? I prefer laquers...

[Derek]

I stepped away from that Idea. I'm now going to get a simple 5 piece with new cymbals, a rack, and iron cobras. I'm just going to add on as the years progress. Trust me, I've put alot of time into this.

But! Does the B/B come in any colors other than a wrap? I prefer laquers...

What about the Renowns ? You start with one free add on tom and add on to a great kit.
Are these now out of the picture ?

[razorx]

I stepped away from that Idea. I'm now going to get a simple 5 piece with new cymbals, a rack, and iron cobras. I'm just going to add on as the years progress. Trust me, I've put alot of time into this.

But! Does the B/B come in any colors other than a wrap? I prefer laquers...

i think that it is a laqor finish.

[metal overlord]

What about the Renowns ? You start with one free add on tom and add on to a great kit.
Are these now out of the picture ?


No way!

Now, it's basically Renown vrs MCX vrs Tama B/B

I still prefer tge Renown over the MCX, but I havent played the MCX to it's fullness yet. So I can't judge.

[metal overlord]

The Tama is $1600, and to me, it's just a $100 I don't want to spend. I'de rather use that to get something else. So, I guess, it's out. A great kit, but not the+$100 I want to spend.

[fourstringdrums]

The Tama is $1600, and to me, it's just a $100 I don't want to spend. I'de rather use that to get something else. So, I guess, it's out. A great kit, but not the+$100 I want to spend.

Well if the Tama is the set for you then it's worth spending the $100. You don't want to get another set and either be unhappy with it or always think "Man I should have got the Tama..." all because you wanted to save $100. When you're already spending $1600, $100 isn't that much if it's going to get you what you want. If you don't care either way then by all means, save the money.

[metal overlord]

And that, in and of itself, would be the best reason to order kick and rack toms virgin.

Agreed. Virgin toms are much more movable, too.

[metal overlord]

Well if the Tama is the set for you then it's worth spending the $100. You don't want to get another set and either be unhappy with it or always think "Man I should have got the Tama..." all because you wanted to save $100. When you're already spending $1600, $100 isn't that much if it's going to get you what you want. If you don't care either way then by all means, save the money.


That's absolutely true. Great point.


Still, I'de get a $125 Guitar Center gift card. So that saves the extra $100, and you get a +$25! Thanks for that post, for some reason I feel much more self confident in my choice for drums now. Oddly enough...

[metal overlord]

OK! So, I haven't been to guitar center for ages (yes, a week or over is ages to me). So I went to Sam Ash and found this sweet double bass ddrum dominion maple. Nice kit. It was:

(2) 20x20
10x8
12x8
14x12
16x12
14x7 Aluminum engraved "Heavy hitters" snare drum

In blue to black fade. Very shallow toms, but I've learned that shallow toms are better for triplets. The kit is $1400, or $1200 without the heavy hitter snare drum and instead the normal one. Very very punchy bass drum, toms sounded nice, and the floor toms weren't bad. I can also get this kit in neon green with black hardware. So, to make my decision harder, this kit came.

[tizzdizz]

I had been looking at DDrum kits for quite a while before I found the Gretsch I went with. I really like their finishes, but I have heard mixed reviews about the drums themselves, as well as customer service etc. I don't think the DDrums are in the same category as the other 2 kits you're looking at. You might even be able to get a better price online.

[hyperdrummer]

The Gretsch sound better IMO. PERIOD.

Smoother, Warmer and more full-bodied. The gretsch sound so much more melodic and tonal.

The MCX has much thicker shells..
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Oh yeah! Gretsch makes awesome drums. And they are kind of like DW when it comes to value, they hold it very well. In fact they will often times go up whenever your particular kit changes or goes out of production. All you have to do is go check out E-Bay's vintage Gretsch stuff.

D-Drum has gotten better, but they still have some seriously cheap shells. Their finishes look great, but their shell quality is no where near what has already been mentioned.

[metal overlord]

You know what, guys? I think it's down to the Tama Starclassic Birch/Bubinga and the Gretsch Renown. Once I play the starclassic (I've played it once, but quickly, I was in a rush) I'll try to make a dicision. I'm so exited, because it's going to be soon. I can feel it.

[razorx]

You know what, guys? I think it's down to the Tama Starclassic Birch/Bubinga and the Gretsch Renown. Once I play the starclassic (I've played it once, but quickly, I was in a rush) I'll try to make a dicision. I'm so exited, because it's going to be soon. I can feel it.

i sure hope you get what you want.

[metal overlord]

i sure hope you get what you want.

So do I, So do I. I hope whatever I choose will last a good long time, and for that entire time, keep sounding just as good as when I got it.

[metal overlord]

So, at Guitar Center, the Tama is $1700. It is 22x18, 10x8, 12x9, 14x14 in any color. At Sam Ash, it is $1650 for 22x18, 10x8, 12x9, and a 16x14 in any color (im would get dark cherry fade). But if I was going to spend $1700 at Guitar Center i'de get a Yammie Oak Custom! Even though at Sam Ash, it's $50 less than $1700. But then that's $300 more than the Gretsch! That $300 would go to my Iron Cobras!


That may have not made any sence, but my point is why spend $1650 when if you spend $50 more you can get an Oak Custom. So, I guess, the Gretsch seems to be the better of the choice price wise. But! since I dont feel like editing my post any more, I wouldn't get an oak custom anyway, I hate 14x11 floor toms! -.-

[tomk]

At this point and price range, I think you should know what you want. Go with the gretsch. You said it yourself, you'll get an extra tom, you will save money that will go towards stands and double pedal, and you seem to like the sounds alot. SO GO FOR IT ALREADY!!! LOL

[Derek]

I think you know what you want, so with calmness in my tone and a smile on my face I say - Dude, buy your kit already .
You'll be beyond just happy with the Renowns and you'll have your Iron Cobras to boot. Get them today.

[metal overlord]

I think you know what you want, so with calmness in my tone and a smile on my face I say - Dude, buy your kit already .
You'll be beyond just happy with the Renowns and you'll have your Iron Cobras to boot. Get them today.


True, so very true. I want this drum set to be exactly what I wanted, so I don't have to upgrade once a year or something like that. I want a drum set I can love and add onto as years progress. The Gretsch sounded amazing. So much power, attack and punch, but clarity and warmth. I think your right. I should get it. Just...not today. Roads are a mess, traffic is probably awful.

[metal overlord]

Alrighty!!! I can get this one Gretsch kit for $1299 ($1300), minus even more because it's a floor model (it's on display; been used by people at the store). But, it's in chesnut burst. Pretty, but i'de rather get cherry burst. I don't know which one to get. If I order it in cherry burst, I dont get money off because it's not a floor model.

[Derek]

Get the one that you want.

[Derek]

If the cherry finish is the one that you want , a year or two down the road you won't say " Wow, I'm sure glad I saved that 150 bucks settling on a lesser finish. "

[metal overlord]

If the cherry finish is the one that you want , a year or two down the road you won't say " Wow, I'm sure glad I saved that 150 bucks settling on a lesser finish. "

I'll have to ask about getting it in the cherry finish. Because I think it will still remain $1300, but since they will have to order it, will that mean I have to pay more?

[fourstringdrums]

I'll have to ask about getting it in the cherry finish. Because I think it will still remain $1300, but since they will have to order it, will that mean I have to pay more?

It will be more because it's not a floor model, that's why the other one is cheaper. Whether they order it or have it in stock doesn't make a difference, but normally you'd be looking at about $1450 for the Cherryburst if that's what you want.

I agree though, pay more and get the finish you want unless you really don't care either way.

[metal overlord]

It will be more because it's not a floor model, that's why the other one is cheaper. Whether they order it or have it in stock doesn't make a difference, but normally you'd be looking at about $1450 for the Cherryburst if that's what you want.

I agree though, pay more and get the finish you want unless you really don't care either way.


So, I asked. Since they have this sale going on, to order it it will remain $1300. But if I get the floor model I get an extra 15% (at least, I think thats what he said. He had a heavy accent and was hard to understand, haha) off because it's a floor model.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter. I prefer cherry burst, but I have no problem with chesnut brust.