Teaching the whipping motion...

[h3r3tic]

My question is quite simple really... Should I first teach the whipping motion in triplets or fours?

[SilverPearl]

the answer is quite simple, which ever works best in your preference, there is a simple exercise to solve ur problem.

1, 2, 3, 4, 1 +, 2 +, 3 +, 4 +, 1 trip let, 2 trip let, 3 trip let, 4 trip let, 1 e + a, 2 e + a, 3 e + a, 4 e + a, 1

Accents on all the down beats, not only does the student work the moeller stroke, but they also work transitions thru the note differentials.

[jonescrusher]

Hate to be a sod Heretic, but given the number of issues you look for help on about the subject yourself, should you really be teaching it to others at the moment? Moeller/whipping techniques are advanced concepts and should only be taught if you are confident that your own grip and technique are good enough for others to learn from....

[brennenlesser]

Hate to be a sod Heretic, but given the number of issues you look for help on about the subject yourself, should you really be teaching it to others at the moment? Moeller/whipping techniques are advanced concepts and should only be taught if you are confident that your own grip and technique are good enough for others to learn from....

stalker! lol just kidding

[Raymond Bloom]

The most effective way is to teach it in the same order Jojo Mayer does in his dvd!

[Pat Petrillo]

In regards to the "Whip"..Here's a clip from "Hands, Grooves, & Fills" which should help explain it a little further..There is an exercise, and it's all in the Book as well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nz2JxpIpvQ&feature=related


Good Luck, and hope it helps!

Pat

[Deltadrummer]

Pat's video males a lot of sense. Always ask a professional.:)

2s control stroke/ pull out.
3s control stroke/ tap/ pull out.
4s control stroke/ tap/ tap/ pull out.

I would say, in that order.

Then you can just keep adding taps
5-6-7-8-9-10- . . . . . . .1,000 . . . .1,000,000 . . . . :)

I teach it that way. I found the fours (etc.) the hardest when I learned it. (and the twos the funnest.) The threes really clarify the technique down to its bare bones: control stroke/ tap/ pull out.

then you can do ones, two, threes, fours, as suggested.

I also like to do in alternating sticking:

sixteenths with an accent on the downbeat (twos)
Rlrl Rlrl Rlrl Rlrl left has taps or
Lrlr Lrlr Lrlr Lrlr right has taps

triplets with an accent on the downbeat (threes)
Rlr Lrl Rlr Lrl (on the Jim Chapin video he has you do this in slow motion w/a mirror. Took me two days to get it.)

then fours you can do thirty-seconds if you want, w/accented downbeat,
Rlrlrlrl Rlrlrlrl or Lrlrlrlr Lrlrlrlr.

And you can mix 2s -3s - 4s.

[jonescrusher]

stalker! lol just kidding

lol, pardon me?!




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[Deltadrummer]

Well, truthfully JC, if one doesn't know the answer to that question, then you are absolutely right.

[rmandelbaum]

30 years ago I was taught the exact method in the video, I was told it is called "the up and down stroke" I used to practice it as it is shown in the video as well.

I have say that it is possibly the most useful single technique I have every learned over the years. I wish I could remember my first teachers name and thank him.

I have found over the years the it really comes to life if you learn it with a 5 stroke roll,

R Down Stroke R Up Stroke L L - normal double R - whip / accent


Then of course alternating to the left as normal