Neil Peart

[NEPnews2006]

I have the DVD as well. The man is VERY intellegent. I started to read his book "Ghost Rider", which i believe was written because of the tragedy of his wife and daughter, but had to leave the book store. Great drummer, but further more a Great man! I am a better drummer because of him.

Ps. Does anyone know what happened to his wife and daughter?


His daughter died in a one person/one vehicle accident coming home from college in route to her mom & dads home in the Quebec countryside. Jacqueline died less than a year later from what Doctor's diagnosed as cancer..but Neil sees it as a his wife/Selena's mother, as having died of a broken heart.

[Class A Drummer]

His daughter died in a one person/one vehicle accident coming home from college in route to her mom & dads home in the Quebec countryside. Jacqueline died less than a year later from what Doctor's diagnosed as cancer..but Neil sees it as a his wife/Selena's mother, as having died of a broken heart.
Im not sure, but didnt he say that on anatomy of a drum solo? i dont quite remember.

[LinearDrummer]

I was on Neils website a few months ago and Neil stated he had played duet drums w/his friend Gregg Bissonette. I have stated Gregg is my favorite drummer followed by Neil. I have known Gregg for over fifteen years and when I talked to Gregg about a month later I joked about why I was not invited to watch. He told me that Neil was kind of a private person. They went out on Greggs boat and Neil could name every bird and fish in sight. Gregg said he was very nice guy and a very smart man.

Greg seems like a real energetic out-going guy while Neal seems to be a bit more serious and private but I'm sure theres a humorous side to him....

See if Greg can setup a hidden tape recorder for you next time :-)

[mikeybbdrummin]

Greg seems like a real energetic out-going guy while Neal seems to be a bit more serious and private but I'm sure theres a humorous side to him....

See if Greg can setup a hidden tape recorder for you next time :-)

Gregg is very easy going, approachable and funny as well. And an incredible drummer.
Gregg and Neil are my two favorite drummers, so it would have been great to watch.
And to have a video of the event would be even better.

[h3r3tic]

I only just sawhim on a video clip of "anatomy of a drum solo"
He totally rocks!

[pudgytheclown]

oh my god i want that vid so much. Seriously who doesn't love Neil Peart?

[sshu]

I don't have the Anatomy CD ... I understand that Neil's waltz part of his solo might be influenced by Max Roach. Anyone know if Neil's solo is specifically influenced by Max Roach's solo in "Blues Waltz" from the "Jazz in 3/4 Time" album?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007KVAYS/ref=pd_rvi_gw_2/002-2039482-3811219?ie=UTF8

Coincidentally, I happened to get Max Roach's album just last week. While I was listening to it in the background, it reminded me of Peart's solo ...

Steve

[shuffle]

Listen to this one

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/maxroachwaltz.html

[sshu]

Listen to this one

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/maxroachwaltz.html

That's a cool one. Thanks for pointing it out. A little slower pace than Roach's Blues Waltz. It was the tom orchestrations on the Blues Waltz that made me think of Peart's solo. I think the one that you point out must be a more famous solo though.

Best!

Steve

[mikeybbdrummin]

Does anyone want to guess what the Rush/DW 30th anniversary commerative drum kit is going to be priced at? There is going to be only 30. Full acoustic kit and cymbals. I will guess first at $25,000.00. Next guess?

[dawg]

he ain't the only one influenced by max...check out the double dvd by led zeppelin. in "moby dick" he starts his solo in 3/4 with a nod to max roach.

[sshu]

he ain't the only one influenced by max...check out the double dvd by led zeppelin. in "moby dick" he starts his solo in 3/4 with a nod to max roach.

I will have to check that out. Thanks for the tip!

Steve

[timebandit]

Does anyone want to guess what the Rush/DW 30th anniversary commerative drum kit is going to be priced at? There is going to be only 30. Full acoustic kit and cymbals. I will guess first at $25,000.00. Next guess?
I think I heard somewhere it was going to be $30,000 to comemorate the thirtieth anniversary of Rush.

[dib da drummer]

Does anyone want to guess what the Rush/DW 30th anniversary commerative drum kit is going to be priced at? There is going to be only 30. Full acoustic kit and cymbals. I will guess first at $25,000.00. Next guess?

Hey mikey. It's gonna be more than 25 grand. They're "only" making 30 of them. And they
will all be custom made individually specific to each one. I'd say in the 35,000 to 40,000 dollar range. And whoever gets one will have a "prized" posession that they will cherish
for life! I KNOW I WOULD! Cya... ;-)

[kazzman]

Hey mikey. It's gonna be more than 25 grand. They're "only" making 30 of them. And they
will all be custom made individually specific to each one. I'd say in the 35,000 to 40,000 dollar range. And whoever gets one will have a "prized" posession that they will cherish
for life! I KNOW I WOULD! Cya... ;-)

It's $30,000.

The kit itself would normally have a retail price of around $53,000, but Guitar Center is selling them at $30,000 a piece due to the 30th Anniversary.

[mikeybbdrummin]

It's $30,000.

The kit itself would normally have a retail price of around $53,000, but Guitar Center is selling them at $30,000 a piece due to the 30th Anniversary.

I guess that would make sense. 30 of them, available 10-30, 30 year anniversary (even though Neil joined in 1975, really 31) and a cost of 30,000.00. Sounds logical.

[dib da drummer]

I think I heard somewhere it was going to be $30,000 to comemorate the thirtieth anniversary of Rush.

Hey bandit,

Just went to Guitar Centers' website. Can you let me know where it says that the
Neil Peart 30th Anniversary Commemorative DW Drumkit is going to cost $30,000? Where did you come up with that figure? You got an inside "scoop" on that information?
I'm just curious about that, because it sounds like you just made that up about the kit costing $30,000 to co-inside with the 30 year anniversary of Rush. I think the kit is
gonna cost more than that. They are only making 30 of them. That is what's linking this. One kit for every year of Rush. Not the cost of each kit. Please let me know. Thanks! ;-)


P.S. The cymbals ALONE are gonna cost thousands!

[mikei]

Hey bandit,

Just went to Guitar Centers' website. Can you let me know where it says that the
Neil Peart 30th Anniversary Commemorative DW Drumkit is going to cost $30,000? Where did you come up with that figure? You got an inside "scoop" on that information?
I'm just curious about that, because it sounds like you just made that up about the kit costing $30,000 to co-inside with the 30 year anniversary of Rush. I think the kit is
gonna cost more than that. They are only making 30 of them. That is what's linking this. One kit for every year of Rush. Not the cost of each kit. Please let me know. Thanks! ;-)


P.S. The cymbals ALONE are gonna cost thousands!
I talked with a manager at GC and he told me it would be "around 30K" and that he would throw in a free set of stick if I bought it!

Seriously, he told me it would cost me about 30k

[palmeris]

http://www.guitarcenter.com/peart/

30 pairs are included if you check out the parts list. Along with all the 24kt gold plated hardware.

[Class A Drummer]

wow 30 g's for his set. I went to the chuck levins website (most successful single music store in the nation at one point) and they said that his snare was 1k. i thought it would be a little more, but still 1k is pretty expensive.

[dib da drummer]

I talked with a manager at GC and he told me it would be "around 30K" and that he would throw in a free set of stick if I bought it!

Seriously, he told me it would cost me about 30k

Oh,


Ok. Cool! You talked with one of the managers. That's a good way to find out. Just
go right to the source. I didn't know you actually talked with someone there at GC. Thanks
for clerifying that. Free sticks? I hope you were kidding. You pay 30 grand for a drumkit, I would hope you'd get a little more than a pair of sticks thrown in. Anyway, Thanks alot! Peace

[palmeris]

Just came back for GC, spoke with the drum manager. Yup 30k is the tag. 10k non refundable deposit to put your name on the list, 20k on delivery.

Ok so you have the extra cash and decide to buy this set. What would you do with it?
A- Keep it in the packing boxes
B- Set it up and display it- Never play it
C- Put on Different heads and play it
D- Beat the crap out of it as is.

[finnhiggins]

I'd go for "E: Launch it into the air with a giant trebuchet just to hear dib_da_drummer's screams of agony and rage"...

[kazzman]

I'd go for "E: Launch it into the air with a giant trebuchet just to hear dib_da_drummer's screams of agony and rage"...

That'd be funny to see.

[O Baterista]

Ok so you have the extra cash and decide to buy this set. What would you do with it?
A- Keep it in the packing boxes
B- Set it up and display it- Never play it
C- Put on Different heads and play it
D- Beat the crap out of it as is.


I'm thinking C.1. Change the heads and play it and also allow select people that I really trust to play it for an hourly fee (I know I'd pay to play on that kit for a little while).

I mean honestly it is a beautiful looking set but drums are meant to be played. Especially drums that have the potential to sound as beautiful as those do.

[dawg]

isn't this set a single bass drum set? man, for 30G i'd want at least a double bass set.

[mikeybbdrummin]

isn't this set a single bass drum set? man, for 30G i'd want at least a double bass set.

Have you seen the kit? Neil is not huge user of double bass. He uses it sparingly. So the double pedal does the job just fine.

[dib da drummer]

I'd go for "E: Launch it into the air with a giant trebuchet just to hear dib_da_drummer's screams of agony and rage"...

Once again. The peanut gallery is heard from! How 'bout something inteligent to add, instead of your usual teenage examples of humor?

[dib da drummer]

That'd be funny to see.


Yea, with you and finn strapped to it!

[dib da drummer]

I'm thinking C.1. Change the heads and play it and also allow select people that I really trust to play it for an hourly fee (I know I'd pay to play on that kit for a little while).

I mean honestly it is a beautiful looking set but drums are meant to be played. Especially drums that have the potential to sound as beautiful as those do.


I couldn't of put it better myself. Oh, by the way, GREAT name there, O Baterista!

[Skitch]

I'm not saying he doesn't do stuff that other rock drummers don't do, because obviously he does far more than the average rock drummer and obviously he is creative in a way that makes a lot of musical sense. But I think Dave Weckl is a far better rock drummer than Neil Peart from what I've seen. If we could go back in time and stick Dave Weckl in Rush would the drumming have been as good? Who knows? But that's a very hypothetical question.

I didn't know that Dave Weckl was a rock drummer.


Mike

http://www.mikemccraw.com
http://www.dominoretroplate.com


http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=drummermikemccraw

[rendezvous_drummer]

WHY PAY 30,000!! Man if I had that money, I'd buy 3 kits (Yamaha Maple Custom, Yamaha Birch Custom, Yamaha Beech Custom :D) and buy a shite load of cymbals. WOAH WAIT A MINUTE! I just saw that he's throwin in a free pair of sticks....that's a damn good deal...gimme a break!

[TitanSound]

Its a collectors edition....these things sell for that much. Its all about status, people will want to be part of it

As mentioned only 30 will be made and I guess not many of them will actually be played. That is a travesty in my eyes. If you pay that amount for a kit then you should at least get some pleasure out of it. Its not as if its going to seriously de-value the kit if you play it.

[dib da drummer]

WHY PAY 30,000!! Man if I had that money, I'd buy 3 kits (Yamaha Maple Custom, Yamaha Birch Custom, Yamaha Beech Custom :D) and buy a shite load of cymbals. WOAH WAIT A MINUTE! I just saw that he's throwin in a free pair of sticks....that's a damn good deal...gimme a break!

Yea, but there's only gonna be 30 of these kits in the world. Anybody can buy those Yamahas! Not so with these comemmorative DW's! Oh, I take it that you are a Yamaha
fan, huh? I personally prefer drums that are manufactured by the companies who "exclusively" make drums and drum accessories. DW, Tama, Ludwig, Pearl, to name a few. Yamaha makes ALL kinds of equipment. ie...stereos, speakers, keyboards, and other "non" percussive stuff. Not saying that Yamahas' line of percussion is "bad", I just
prefer the companies that concentrate "just" on drums, drum accessories and percussion equipment. Peace!

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

So what's wrong with Yamaha drums again?

[dawg]

well, dib da, after you buy that 30g set,come back with a product review for us,will ya?all i can tell you is DW makes great drums, i've played a gretsch set i really liked at a drum store, but ended up buying a brand new 1993 yamaha maple custom,6 piece set, (which i still have after unloading my pearl set) and all i can say after playing many different venues with different musicians is, they've commented numerous times how good those drums sound. i love em'! and i got em' on sale for $2800 (minus cymbals.)

[NUTHA JASON]

and with that let us remember -


that many posts were deleted from this thread because guys were bashing neil.
that neil is a great guy
that he may read this thread
that he is an incredible drummer and is quite capable of pulling some surprises out of his hat if he ever felt the need to prove himself - which he does not.let's then celebrate him rather than compare him to other drummers in an unflattering or unfavourable way.

NO MORE BASHING NEIL PLEASE.

J

[gmb2112]

[QUOTE=mikeybbdrummin]Does anyone want to guess what the Rush/DW 30th anniversary commerative drum kit is going to be priced at? There is going to be only 30. Full acoustic kit and cymbals. I will guess first at $25,000.00. Next guess?[/QUO
neils drum tech told me$ 80,000 for the hole kit

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Ah you went to the Neil Peart kit tour. That includes things like the cymbals and the electronics set up, adding a significant amount to the value. The actual shells and hardware are worth the $30,000.

[ajgdrums722]

I just want to add that "Test For Echo" is my favorite Rush song, because of Neil's playing in it. Lot's of great stuff in that song.

[timebandit]

If I had a couple of hundred G's lyin' around, i'd definately drop 30k on a NP 1 of 30 commerative kit!! that would be like , let say, in the sixty's you had bought a Buddy Rich - 1 of 30 duplicate kit. and still had it today, I'm sure it would be worth twice what you pay'd for it then.thats like the kit Tama made for MikePortnoy, for The cygnus & the seamonster show. I'm sure some one, somewhere would pay twice what thats worth. I know I would.And further more, who's to say that NP kit, with that custom finish, & brass hardware is'nt worth 30G's.DW thinks it is!

[cygnify]

I think that kit actually has gold plated hardware. He used to do brass, but for the 30th anniversary kit they plated the hardware in gold. I'm assuming the 30 commemorative kits will also be gold plated. If so, I wonder just how much gold plated hardware contributes to the $30k price tag.

[timebandit]

as of today @ noon, there's 19 kits sold, 11 left.get'em while there're hot! oh yeah, comes with cymbals.

[Synthetik]

I found a site www.kirschdrums.com (http://www.kirschdrums.com) that says he has had a lot of requests for that red tama artstar kit that Neil played. They say they have pretty much duplicated the color. So, getting a clone of the TAMA would likely cost around $3500. (minus gong drum)

I have a feeling many non-drummers (collectors) bought the anniversary kit as an investment.

[fusssion]

Only 2 reasons to purchase this kit:

1) Investment
2) Rush cover band (with A TON of money floating around!)

[Ian Ballard]

I found a site www.kirschdrums.com (http://www.kirschdrums.com) that says he has had a lot of requests for that red tama artstar kit that Neil played. They say they have pretty much duplicated the color. So, getting a clone of the TAMA would likely cost around $3500. (minus gong drum)

I have a feeling many non-drummers (collectors) bought the anniversary kit as an investment.

Not to nitpick, but Neil played a Tama Superstar during the early 80's, before he switched to Ludwig... then DW. In 1980, the Superstar was the top-end kit and there was no Artstar yet.

[DrumMasterDave]

Yah Of course! A drummer of that age and experiance is sure to have played every drum kit available. Being sponsered must be nice though. I have the yamaha maple custom, and thats an amazing kit in my standards. Plus its only 2-5 grand. With the money you save, you can buy tickets to see Rush in their next tour!

[shuffle]

Not to nitpick, but Neil played a Tama Superstar during the early 80's, before he switched to Ludwig... then DW. In 1980, the Superstar was the top-end kit and there was no Artstar yet.

He did briefly played (or at least advertised playing) an Artstar, at the end of his relationship with Tama.

[Ian Ballard]

He did briefly played (or at least advertised playing) an Artstar, at the end of his relationship with Tama.

Hmmm, I never saw nor heard of such an add. I'd like to see it.

[shuffle]

Hmmm, I never saw nor heard of such an add. I'd like to see it.

seeing is believing.

http://www.rusharchives.com/gear/neil.shtml


It is the picture on the lake. Used to have it on my wall.

Quite a few other links through google....

[timebandit]

I will have to admit that i also thought that red tama kit from the "signals" tour ( that I seen from the 3rd row) was a superstar kit, as in my avatar, but i stand corrected.To me, Artstar kit allways had those lugs that connected. Maybe it just had Artstar shells with superstar lugs? In 1986, i bought a tama superster mahogony kit, the actual "Neil Peart" model. when the kit showed up, for some reason the 15" bass mnt tom came as a floor tom, and i never did anything about it.Then like an Idiot, I sold one of the bass drums cuz I needed the money. then in 1990 i sold the whole kit to friend so i could buy my now wife, a engagement ring ( what a dumb puss ) anyway the good news is, the set still sits in his basement office, untouched 17 yrs later.

[michael drums]

I will have to admit that i also thought that red tama kit from the "signals" tour ( that I seen from the 3rd row) was a superstar kit, as in my avatar, but i stand corrected.To me, Artstar kit allways had those lugs that connected. Maybe it just had Artstar shells with superstar lugs? In 1986, i bought a tama superster mahogony kit, the actual "Neil Peart" model. when the kit showed up, for some reason the 15" bass mnt tom came as a floor tom, and i never did anything about it.Then like an Idiot, I sold one of the bass drums cuz I needed the money. then in 1990 i sold the whole kit to friend so i could buy my now wife, a engagement ring ( what a dumb puss ) anyway the good news is, the set still sits in his basement office, untouched 17 yrs later.

Wow! Great story timebandit. You're not a puss, man! You just found love(besides the drums), that's all! Nothin' wrong with that! But hearing about that set is cool! Is there any way that you can get the set back? Now THAT would be really cool! Thanks....Play on!

[timebandit]

Well, like I said the kit still sits in my friends basement office.He did recently ask me if i wanted it back for the same amount I sold it to him for. $2000. I geuss for sentimental purposes it would be nice to have back. I only had the set for 4 yrs, he's had it for 17. & for 2-g's, I can get ahelluva kit, so for my money I think I'd go new. Besides, I told him if he ever had any seriuos offers to call me befor he sells it.

[michael drums]

Well, like I said the kit still sits in my friends basement office.He did recently ask me if i wanted it back for the same amount I sold it to him for. $2000. I geuss for sentimental purposes it would be nice to have back. I only had the set for 4 yrs, he's had it for 17. & for 2-g's, I can get ahelluva kit, so for my money I think I'd go new. Besides, I told him if he ever had any seriuos offers to call me befor he sells it.

Wow, timebandit. I can understand goin' new, but I agree, that same price you sold it to him for is really fair. For the sentimental purpose alone, to me, is definitely worth it. Great kit there, man! Thanks for posting this! Cool...Play On!

[michael drums]

Hey Y'all. Anyone got the new DW R30 commemorative drumkit, yet? Or know of anyone who has? I'd love to hear how the kit is! May be too early to ask, but I'm really curious about this kit, and how it sounds. That is, of course, if anyone would play it that much to really get an accurate account of the sound quality. I guess someone will buy it to play it, but I would have one just to say I had one. Wouldn't wanna scratch it or damage it, IN ANY WAY. It's certaintly a collecters' item, to say the least. Thanks and Play On! ;-)

[fusssion]

He did briefly played (or at least advertised playing) an Artstar, at the end of his relationship with Tama.


That red kit was an Artstar prototype...........indeed, this is correct

[michael drums]

Hello! Anyone out there have a DW R30 commemerative kit? I posted 5 days ago to get a review of one, but have YET to get a response on this. Anybody care to chime in on this, please feel free. It's funny, there was SO MUCH talk and anticipation about this kit before it was available on October 30th. But there seems to be NO interest about it now. Maybe it's me making too much of it. Oh well. Thanks! Peace....Play On!

[Guinness]

That is an absolutely beautiful kit. If I was a millionare I would have been on the waiting list already. One heck of an investment as well.

[dawg]

maybe no one but neil here can afford to buy a kit...

[Synthetik]

The official R30 tour "death toll" from page 393 of "Roadshow" by Neil Peart:

257 pairs of drumsticks

one 20" cymbal

three 18" cymbals

six 16" cymbals

two china cymbals

fifteen drumheads

[michael drums]

That is an absolutely beautiful kit. If I was a millionare I would have been on the waiting list already. One heck of an investment as well.

Beautiful it is! Does it sound like it looks, though? That's what I'm tryin' to find out, if there's anyone out there who's got one. Or has, at least, played one. Maybe it's not to be played. I sure would be VERY hesitant to lay a lick on it. It may depreciate in value if it's played, huh? I don't quite have the fortune of those that wouldn't care either way. 30 grand's a pretty penny where I'm from. I'd stick with my Tama set to play, and keep this one in protective custody! Thanks Guinness and Play On!

[michael drums]

Does anybody know why no one has posted a review on the DW R30 comemmerative kit here on this NP thread yet? Is it "no-big-deal" about how this kit looks and sounds in real life? Is there no DrummerWorld member that has any knowledge of this kit from a personal perspective? Or am I just making WAY too much of this? Please, someone say something about the kit, ie...How does it look, sound, set up? Was it difficult trying to buy? Did Guitar Center perform good service in the purchase of it? Etc... I would appreciate ANY information about this new kit. Thanks...Play On! ;-)

[fusssion]

I don't know...but...

THis is supposed to be an exact replica....I highly doubt is. If I understand it right, Neil has VLT shells, does this? Plus, recently just got a GC Catalogue and the kit was the last thing on the back page and the logos on the toms doen't look right, and the "man in the star" is reversed from the Rush logo.......so.......

[IDDrummer]

Take a look at this fellow's pictures of one of the actual kits. You can see that they are VLT and the logos look correct to me. I haven't seen the GT catalogue, but it looks to me like the kits are as true a replica as you could get.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20736

[mikei]

Has anyone purchased the new Rush Replay X3 DVD?

Three concerts from long ago.

Neil is a great, great drummer. Being a somewhat new drummer, I didn't really pay attention to him in the past.

I really believe that back in the 80s and early 90s he played fantastic. Noticably better than now. He also showed more emotion behind the kit back then.

Portnoy is the new Peart. However, I believe that he lacks some of the technical skills that Peart has. Peart is neater and cleaner. However, I feel Portnoy has a bit more feel or groove. And I am not bashing Portnoy. I really enjoy his playing as well.

Either way, I highly recommend the new DVD set. Great stuff.

[mikeybbdrummin]

Has anyone purchased the new Rush Replay X3 DVD?

Three concerts from long ago.

Neil is a great, great drummer. Being a somewhat new drummer, I didn't really pay attention to him in the past.

I really believe that back in the 80s and early 90s he played fantastic. Noticably better than now. He also showed more emotion behind the kit back then.

Portnoy is the new Peart. However, I believe that he lacks some of the technical skills that Peart has. Peart is neater and cleaner. However, I feel Portnoy has a bit more feel or groove. And I am not bashing Portnoy. I really enjoy his playing as well.

Either way, I highly recommend the new DVD set. Great stuff.

I have it. Its not bad for what it is. I had R30 and I have Rush in Rio. Rush in Rio is my favorite of all of them. You have to keep in find that Rush in Rio was I think in 2003 when Neil was 51 years old, compared to the early stuff being in his mid to late twenties. He started in Rush in 1975 at 23 years old. My guess is that after 30 years its hard to stay at the same physical level decade, after decade after decade.
Portnoy is not "New" though. He is great at what he does. He has odd times mastered. And when he plays he seems to do everything so effortlessly.

[Merkaba]

Neil is one of the guys who got me wanting to start in the first place. he is amazing.

[Dr.Hook]

IMO, Neil Peart is the greatest drummer of all time, both on a technical level, as well as a creative level.

Also, he has influeneced more people than any other drummer in history.

Now, I will say that he has lost some of his "perfection" over the years, and his creativity is starting to dwindle. I honestly think hes more into the writing of books, and motorcycling than Rush itself. Hell, after 30+ years somethings gotta give.

Now, lets take the drummers that the "kids" all love today, such as Travis Barker, Chris Adler Etc. When they reach the age of Neil Peart "55", I wonder how good they will be?? Because at 55, Neil Peart can still kick ass, and has forgotten more than the Barkers and such will ever know.

Neil is the Proffessor, and is the reason I wanted to become a drummer.

Subdivisions has got to be the best song to play along with, ever!!!!!!!!

[michael drums]

IMO, Neil Peart is the greatest drummer of all time, both on a technical level, as well as a creative level.

Also, he has influeneced more people than any other drummer in history.

Now, I will say that he has lost some of his "perfection" over the years, and his creativity is starting to dwindle. I honestly think hes more into the writing of books, and motorcycling than Rush itself. Hell, after 30+ years somethings gotta give.

Now, lets take the drummers that the "kids" all love today, such as Travis Barker, Chris Adler Etc. When they reach the age of Neil Peart "55", I wonder how good they will be?? Because at 55, Neil Peart can still kick ass, and has forgotten more than the Barkers and such will ever know.

Neil is the Proffessor, and is the reason I wanted to become a drummer.

Subdivisions has got to be the best song to play along with, ever!!!!!!!!

Hey Dr. Hook. How are ya? Wow. I can really appreciate your passion for Neil Peart, as I am also a HUGE fan of his. But let me put it in perspective what you say here. A little more of a realistic take on NP:

1.) No. He's not the "greatest" of all time. Neither technically or creatively. Great as he is, that would certaintly be more describing Buddy Rich.

2.)No. He hasn't influenced more than Buddy or Bonham. Though he definitely has influenced many, many drummers. Me included.

3.)No. He hasn't lost "perfection" over the years. Don't confuse adaption with ability. And his creativity has changed, not lessened. I believe his family comes first, especially after what happened to him about 10 years ago(loss of his daughter and wife in less than a year). And his music is 2nd on his list of importance. It IS his bread and butter, ya know. His drumming and his song writing. As far as "somethings gotta give"... well... He still gives 100% of himself in whatever he is involved in. And soon you'll be seeing him in the movies, also. So stay tuned...

4.)Let's not compare Neil to the drummers of today. Adler and Barker are very accomplished in what they do with their style and ability. They are different in almost every way than NP. And, by the way, not that it's a big deal, but Neil Peart is 54 yrs. old, not 55. He'll turn 55 yrs. old on Sept. 12, 2007.

5.)Yes. Neil Peart has definitely earned the title "The Professor". Perfect name for his ability at drumming and writing.

6.)Yes. Subdivisions is a fantastic song. One of my all-time-favorite Rush songs. But to say it's the best song to play along with ever...well, you may get some to disagree with you on that.

Anyway, it sounds like your a true NP fan, so that would make ME a Dr. Hook fan. Thanks for your post about NP... Play On!

[Pearl Player]

Neil really inspired me. Along with Ginger Baker, and Bohman.. LOL first time I started to think about playing this instrument was OMG.... Dave Clark LOL

I really like how Neil plays and I really enjoy his teaching. Like the DVD's I have. I alway include some neil in my practice routines.

Mike

[mikeybbdrummin]

Hey Dr. Hook. How are ya? Wow. I can really appreciate your passion for Neil Peart, as I am also a HUGE fan of his. But let me put it in prespective what you say here. A little more of a realistic take on NP:

1.) No. He's not the "greatest" of all time. Neither technically or creatively. Great as he is, that would certaintly be more describing Buddy Rich.

2.)No. He hasn't influenced more than Buddy or Bonham. Though he definitely has influenced many, many drummers. Me included.

3.)No. He hasn't lost "perfection" over the years. Don't confuse adaption with ability. And his creativity has changed, not lessened. I believe his family comes first, especially after what happened to him about 10 years ago(loss of his daughter and wife in less than a year). And his music is 2nd on his list of importance. It IS his bread and butter, ya know. His drumming and his song writing. As far as "somethings gotta give"... well... He still gives 100% of himself in whatever he is involved in. And soon you'll be seeing him in the movies, also. So stay tuned...

4.)Let's not compare Neil to the drummers of today. Adler and Barker are very accomplished in what they do with their style and ability. They are different in almost every way than NP. And, by the way, not that it's a big deal, but Neil Peart is 54 yrs. old, not 55. He'll turn 55 yrs. old on Sept. 12, 2007.

5.)Yes. Neil Peart has definitely earned the title "The Professor". Perfect name for his ability at drumming and writing.

6.)Yes. Subdivisions is a fantastic song. One of my all-time-favorite Rush songs. But to say it's the best song to play along with ever...well, you may get some to disagree with you on that.

Anyway, it sounds like your a true NP fan, so that would make ME a Dr. Hook fan. Thanks for your post about NP... Play On!

I am also a Neil fan. My 2nd biggest influence definatly. I wanted to address a couple of things that you put into "Persrective" for Dr. Hook;
The first thing he said is "IMO". In his oppinion Neil is the greatest. How can you say his oppinion is wrong? Putting in "IMO" tells me he does not expect everyone to agree w/him.
The next one is; How do you know Neil hasnt influenced more people then Buddy, or Bonham? Bonham was w/Zepp for just over a decade. Neil has been w/Rush for over three decades. You do the math.
Anyway, Its all oppinion when you get right down to it. Nothing personal.

[fusssion]

Off topic, but I don't know where else to put this....

I was answering another NP question for his snare drums and ran across this site, and wanted to share it!

http://www.andrewolson.com/Neil_Peart/neil_drumkits.htm

What I found interesting was this.....remember back for Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures when NP used Evans "Looking Glass" heads on the top and Hydraulic Blues on the bottom?! Practically unheard of today...but....

Browse the site,...it's great.....

[Pocketman]

I'm listening to The Analog Kid from Signals right now. I can't believe how great a track it is to this day. It's not one of Rush's more popular songs nor is it a real Peart fill showcase, but I think it's the best straight forward track he ever did. On this (and on all of Signals for that matter) you can really hear him "digging-in and smacking the snare.

Thoughts? Opinions?

[michael drums]

Hey Pocketman! Yea, that drum track was unique for Neil back then. And "Signals" is one of those albums that you can pick up more and more of his amazing fills and intricate time changes, each time you listen to it...EVEN to this day! I personally can't get enough of "Subdivisions" and "The Weapon". That bass foot in "The Weapon" is sick. I love how it's just constant throughout the entire song...never wavering! And "Subdivisions" is just a fantastic example of Neil Pearts' legendary perfection...Play On! ;-)

[michael drums]

Hey! Please stop taking off/removing certain threads for NO apparant reason. Why does this continue to happen? It's not fair to anyone that may want to contribute an important or inspiring post. And this thread of, Pocketmans' creation, deserves better than that! Thank You...Play On!

[Pocketman]

Hey! Please stop taking off/removing certain threads for NO apparant reason. Why does this continue to happen? It's not fair to anyone that may want to contribute an important or inspiring post. And this thread of, Pocketmans' creation, deserves better than that! Thank You...Play On!

Thanks MD. I am perfectly aware that Neil has probably more threads about him than any other drummer. My point in beginning this thread was to point out that I find Neil's straight ahead playing as inspirational as his technical, odd time, fill free-for-all's.

[michael drums]

Thanks MD. I am perfectly aware that Neil has probably more threads about him than any other drummer. My point in beginning this thread was to point out that I find Neil's straight ahead playing as inspirational as his technical, odd time, fill free-for-all's.

You're welcome, Pocketman! I just feel that whoever keeps stopping certain threads is biased to who or what "they" like. It's a strange phenomenon that continues to happen to the detriment of interesting and inspiring threads/posts...Play On!

[LinearDrummer]

I'm listening to The Analog Kid from Signals right now. I can't believe how great a track it is to this day. It's not one of Rush's more popular songs nor is it a real Peart fill showcase, but I think it's the best straight forward track he ever did. On this (and on all of Signals for that matter) you can really hear him "digging-in and smacking the snare.

Thoughts? Opinions?

I actually think thats some of Alex's best guitar work...some of my friends who aren't Rush fans even like that one....

Signals was a real transition album and I'm kinda torn between liking it...some songs have cool riffs in them but some parts just don't work...like on Digital Man the shuffle groove and the little reggae riff and solo breakdown are sweet but the hook is horrible and the keys don't fit....

IMO - Chemistry is the best cut on there .....transitions are smooth and all the grooves work well together....and I like the lyrics too....

I actually dig the synth stuff (which alot of true fans don't) its just Signals sounded like an experiment to me....much more into Power Windows and Hold Your Fire....better song structure and balance between keys and guitar..

Good point about the snare...he's really crackin it....

[Anduin]

Hmm. Looks like nobody's posted Neil on Rick Mercer's Monday Report yet. For those who don't know, Mercer is a well-known Canadian political satirist. He had Neil give him a drum lesson a couple of months ago.

Check it out under "Week of November 7, 2006" half way down this page:

http://www.cbc.ca/mercerreport/backissues.php

[Class A Drummer]

Oh yeah i saw this a while ago on youtube. Its pretty cool lol.

[Green and Mean]

Neil is the drummer who has inpired me mostly. I still remember when I listened La VIlla Strangiato first time, and after that "invented:D" playing 16th and 32th on hi-hat. To some people: he is definetly not one of the best techniqual players. But in my eyes, he has the best drum solos. Anatomy of drumsolo! First time when I saw it on youtube, I couldn't belive my eyes! He makes it so logical and easy to understand, some of my friends who doesn't know nothing about music, love it. I soon start to learn some of Rush songs. Amazing band, theire work, creativity. Awesome drummer!

[palmeris]

For those Peart fans and rush fans, check out the new single at their web site http://www.rush.com/

Neil incorporated some nice double bass work in this song as well as some sweet ride work. Otherwise it seems like a pretty laid back song for him, but it flows with what the song calls for in my opinion.

[palmeris]

http://www.neilpeart.net/news/index.html

Well I am STOKED. new material, new tour that I have front row tickets for in WPB the second show of the tour, and can not wait to see and hear the new kit. AND the rest of the band!

[druid]

What does anyone think of Snakes and Arrows...?

[michael drums]

What does anyone think of Snakes and Arrows...?

Well...it has A LOT more acoustic guitar in it that I would have expected, but I like the fact that they stayed away from the keyboards, for the most part. The muscianship is OUTSTANDING, as usual, with my favorite songs being...The Main Monkey Business, Malignant Narcissisim, The Way The Wind Blows, The Larger Bowl, Good News First and, We Hold On.

But the entire recording is WELL worth listening to, and have the MVI DVD on order, which comes out on June 5th! And the show @ Nissan Pavillion on June 23rd will be the "icing on the cake"...Play On! ;-)

Oh.... And as far as Neils' playing on S & A, well...the guy just drops your jaw!! STILL...after 32 years on vinyl! The Professor...indeed!

[somtawyer]

Hello Pocketman,
In reply to your thoughts on Analog Kid , and Signals in general, I do agree. This is my first post here , and while I am not a drummer , I have been an airdrummer for nearly 27 years ( boy , am I tired ! ). I do tend to miss the more 'heavy' days of Rush , but , with maturity comes increased wisdom and scope , which is what has been on display over the last decade or so. Thinking of "pounding" the snare makes me want to go watch "The Enemy Within" from the p/g Tour video.
Anyhow , hope you and everyone else can appreciate my comments. GTG - my absolute favourite just came on my playlist - Marathon.
Best wishes from Montreal.

[sandman]

This man has had a great influence upon my life. He was the one who I saw the best, in my opinion, a drummer to shake the ages. And that he did, he has overcame so much in his life and stuck true to his one love...Drumming, so no doubt that he is a true legend but though when he passes on no one will be able to reconcile the greatness that he had put into drumming.

Neil Peart for life!

[NUTHA JASON]

i have just finished watching the whole of anatomy of a drum solo.

i liked it

but there is this one little moment which i have repeat watched at least 20 times. its on disc 2 in the tom sawyer bonus section at 2:33 and the next 10 seconds say everything about what a serious powerhouse of a drummer neil is. his fills are precise and creative and just astounding. that stuf following 2:33 is so very inspiring that i'm going to get off this computer right now and go and play dr

[fusssion]

i have just finished watching the whole of anatomy of a drum solo.

i liked it

but there is this one little moment which i have repeat watched at least 20 times. its on disc 2 in the tom sawyer bonus section at 2:33 and the next 10 seconds say everything about what a serious powerhouse of a drummer neil is. his fills are precise and creative and just astounding. that stuf following 2:33 is so very inspiring that i'm going to get off this computer right now and go and play dr

Can you show us a clip Jason?

[44Ronin]

The most influential rock drummer? No way , not even close in fact.

Yes he is a premier prog drummer. What is neil peart? He is neil peart of course! ....the guy who plays in rush.

Who is ringo starr? Hmm big part of the band that changed the quintessential rock and roll sound into guitar , bass and drum format. Probably inspired countless people to play the drums, and of course - no one swings quarters like Ringo!

[NUTHA JASON]

i think that's a very old debate ronin. neil is ONE OF the most influencial rock drummers... a whole generation or maybe a few generations of drummers have become drummers because of him. same with ringo and bonzo and probably joey and travis.

The most influential rock drummer? No way , not even close in fact.

you're entitled to your opinion of course but i think the 'not even close' bit is a bridge too far.

j

ps: i cannot fussion as it would infringe copyright. i suggest buying the DVD. you will not be disappointed.

[michael drums]

The most influential rock drummer? No way , not even close in fact.

Yes he is a premier prog drummer. What is neil peart? He is neil peart of course! ....the guy who plays in rush.

Who is ringo starr? Hmm big part of the band that changed the quintessential rock and roll sound into guitar , bass and drum format. Probably inspired countless people to play the drums, and of course - no one swings quarters like Ringo!

Well, Ronin...I think A LOT more fans of "the drum" have air-drummed to Neil Peart and Rush than to the Beatles!! WITHOUT A DOUBT!!

I agree that Ringo has been a huge influence to "music" fans, but to "drumming" fans...Neil Peart is MUCH MORE influential in that department!! NOT EVEN CLOSE!!

He's a DRUM GOD, Ronin!

Ringo has NOT reached that plateau, and I couldn't agree more...Play On! ;-)

[tot_fnky]

Great drummer. The godfather of prog rock, in one of the best bands of the style: RUSH.
This is from where Mike Portnoy stole everything hahaha!!!

[palmeris]

Has anyone heard the Main Monkey Business drums only matsered recording that is Neils Web site yet? It is pretty awesome, some nice technique on an intricate beat, very cool of him to put it up, It's a long recording. Be great if Drummerworld could put up a snipet of that!

[franklinj]

Cant wait for Saturday...I get to see the man in action! My first Rush show!

[michael drums]

Has anyone heard the Main Monkey Business drums only matsered recording that is Neils Web site yet? It is pretty awesome, some nice technique on an intricate beat, very cool of him to put it up, It's a long recording. Be great if Drummerworld could put up a snipet of that!

Oh...THANKS, palmeris!! Gonna go there, right after this, and check it out! ;-)

And...YES! It would be great if DW does that! :-)


How 'bout it, Bernard? ;-)


Thanks again, palmeris...Play On! ;-)

[michael drums]

Cant wait for Saturday...I get to see the man in action! My first Rush show!

Excellent, franklinj!! You WON'T be dissapointed!!


I've seen him 22 times since 1982!! It'll be 23 on 23(a week from this Saturday)...Play On!


;-)

[palmeris]

WOW what a show! From the front row!!!!!! So good. A complete new solo. I am still buzzing MAN that was SOOOOOOO good. The new kit looks and sounds killer. I will post a picture once I get it out of my phone

He had a snare problem about a half hour into the show. Gump had it changed out in 30 seconds, amazing. He also had some type of wierd looking prototype cymbal, looks like it has jingels rivited to it.

About 6 new tunes played. 3 hour show with a 20 minute break between sets. Man my head still hurts, but it's a happy hurt.

Oh did I say WOW!!!!!!!! my 14th tour and the first from the front row. I

[michael drums]

Wow, palmeris!! Great review!! FRONT ROW?? Excellent!!

Hope to give a review next week...Going to the Bristow, Va. show on the 23rd! ;-)


Can't wait...Play On! ;-)

[franklinj]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how the hell does he tune his higher toms to get that sound? I cant even really explain the sound, it just sounds really, really good. The toms im talking about are the higher ones to the left of the traditional "main" rack tom.

[IDDrummer]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how the hell does he tune his higher toms to get that sound? I cant even really explain the sound, it just sounds really, really good. The toms im talking about are the higher ones to the left of the traditional "main" rack tom.

They are cranked EXTREMELY tight. His tech says in general, the bottom heads on his toms are a bit looser than the top, but I've gotten my smaller toms to sound just like his by tuning very high with top and bottom heads matched in pitch. I mean so tight I almost can't turn the key anymore, like a marching snare...

[franklinj]

They are cranked EXTREMELY tight. His tech says in general, the bottom heads on his toms are a bit looser than the top, but I've gotten my smaller toms to sound just like his by tuning very high with top and bottom heads matched in pitch. I mean so tight I almost can't turn the key anymore, like a marching snare...

Kinda weird, but kinda cool...ill def have to check that out. Thanks.

[xush]

snippet of Neil's new '07 solo:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LDEOeJsi94

[michael drums]

snippet of Neil's new '07 solo:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2LDEOeJsi94

Oh, THANKS xush!! Nice!!

Though...it cuts out and stops at 48 seconds, and it says that it's 5:15 long?? That seems kinda strange, huh?

Anyway...Thanks for that...Play On! ;-)

[palmeris]

Franklinj

So what are your thoughts on your first Rush show and watching the man, the machine, the drum god himself?

[spartacus1989]

Neil Peart is incredible for weird time signatures and off beat drumming :D!!

Can't wait to see him live :D

[franklinj]

Franklinj

So what are your thoughts on your first Rush show and watching the man, the machine, the drum god himself?

Do you even need to ask? The mans a genius.

[harley_g]

Hello everyone...thought I might bring up a thread that hasn't had a post for a while. I actually came on here quite a lot a while back but got busy so when I came back I couldn't get into my account...anyway. I come because something has been bothering me.

I have seen many a video of Peart. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I didn't mind him. But a visit to the good old YouTube and another watch of his solos and such, and I quickly became confused. Looking at the amount of people proclaiming that drums were invented for Peart, and that without a doubt he is the greatest drummer ever to live, I thought I was taking crazy pills. I was ALMOST drawn to start an argument and become like one of those losers who sit on YouTube and drone on and on about why Derek Roddy is so much better than Joey Jordison (they're both tasteless in my opinion but that's beside the point).

Every single solo I've seen of Peart immediately reminds me of solo's I would come up with when I'd been playing for 6 months to a year. Four on the floor, semiquavers on the snare with some triplets, and some tom fills. I'm not here to say I could school Peart in a battle or that he's crap or anything like that, I've just honestly been baffled by why people continue to be so amazed by stuff that many beginners come up with for their first solo. When I was in a Mike Mangini clinic he actually said that the whole four on the floor thing is a beginnerish thing (in the sense that it's what drummers start out with, not that it's bad or anything).

If I was playing stuff so similar to Peart after such a short while of playing and only being able to play a Go-Go's greatest hits album, how is he so good?

After roughly 8 minutes of soloing I saw a guy who looked uncomfortable and frankly unhappy (beside the point but it doesn't hurt to show some emotion...) and who could come up with nothing but basically what would usually be a rock fill played over and over again. It bored me to tears, not because it was simple (some of the best sounding licks I've heard are simple) but because it just seemed so repetitive and uncreative.

There's hardly any dynamic range in his soloing. For the best drummer in the world he sure doesn't show any contrast. I saw an old post on here saying how he leaves heaps of space and such in his solos...I could here no space except the space between his semiquavers and the time it took him to jump around to his electronic drum kit. So often in drumming less is more...

Which leads me to the next thing. He has such a big kit, but I just see him use it so uncreatively, it's honestly uninspiring. There are so many drummers out there who create just this amazing contrast and inventive grooves and patterns on a 4-piece, meanwhile Peart continues his long semiquaver tom roll. Bill Stewart, Brian Blade, JoJo Mayer (maybe a 5-piece but close enough), it goes on. While I'm at it I might offend any others who weren't already offended :P...I haven't been so bored or confused since I saw Mike Portnoy play his monster kit.

I've tried to take the high road here folks because I've thought long and hard and I've come up with nothing except that the people who like him can only appreciate big drum kits and loud playing. I know this can't be true so I MUST be missing something. I just don't get it.

Enlighten me!

Harley

[crumbdrums]

After roughly 8 minutes of soloing I saw a guy who looked uncomfortable and frankly unhappy


Harley

I agree completely. His solo's are unimpressive and painful to watch. But he is an amazing drummer. Forget the solos; go listen to La Villa Strangiato off of Hemispheres if you want to hear truly superb drumming.

[stasz]

Hello everyone...thought I might bring up a thread that hasn't had a post for a while. I actually came on here quite a lot a while back but got busy so when I came back I couldn't get into my account...anyway. I come because something has been bothering me.

I have seen many a video of Peart. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I didn't mind him. But a visit to the good old YouTube and another watch of his solos and such, and I quickly became confused. Looking at the amount of people proclaiming that drums were invented for Peart, and that without a doubt he is the greatest drummer ever to live, I thought I was taking crazy pills. I was ALMOST drawn to start an argument and become like one of those losers who sit on YouTube and drone on and on about why Derek Roddy is so much better than Joey Jordison (they're both tasteless in my opinion but that's beside the point).

Every single solo I've seen of Peart immediately reminds me of solo's I would come up with when I'd been playing for 6 months to a year. Four on the floor, semiquavers on the snare with some triplets, and some tom fills. I'm not here to say I could school Peart in a battle or that he's crap or anything like that, I've just honestly been baffled by why people continue to be so amazed by stuff that many beginners come up with for their first solo. When I was in a Mike Mangini clinic he actually said that the whole four on the floor thing is a beginnerish thing (in the sense that it's what drummers start out with, not that it's bad or anything).

If I was playing stuff so similar to Peart after such a short while of playing and only being able to play a Go-Go's greatest hits album, how is he so good?

After roughly 8 minutes of soloing I saw a guy who looked uncomfortable and frankly unhappy (beside the point but it doesn't hurt to show some emotion...) and who could come up with nothing but basically what would usually be a rock fill played over and over again. It bored me to tears, not because it was simple (some of the best sounding licks I've heard are simple) but because it just seemed so repetitive and uncreative.

There's hardly any dynamic range in his soloing. For the best drummer in the world he sure doesn't show any contrast. I saw an old post on here saying how he leaves heaps of space and such in his solos...I could here no space except the space between his semiquavers and the time it took him to jump around to his electronic drum kit. So often in drumming less is more...

Which leads me to the next thing. He has such a big kit, but I just see him use it so uncreatively, it's honestly uninspiring. There are so many drummers out there who create just this amazing contrast and inventive grooves and patterns on a 4-piece, meanwhile Peart continues his long semiquaver tom roll. Bill Stewart, Brian Blade, JoJo Mayer (maybe a 5-piece but close enough), it goes on. While I'm at it I might offend any others who weren't already offended :P...I haven't been so bored or confused since I saw Mike Portnoy play his monster kit.

I've tried to take the high road here folks because I've thought long and hard and I've come up with nothing except that the people who like him can only appreciate big drum kits and loud playing. I know this can't be true so I MUST be missing something. I just don't get it.

Enlighten me!

Harley

You defnitely have a point here. I remember seeing a couple jazz pieces he was playing with a big band, and I was very unimpressed. The same characteristic fills of his playing, and his swing rythym was pretty uncreative (I don't even play jazz that much and I could tell it was bad. It was just boring).

I just hope people don't start flaming you for disregarding his glory or something...

crumbdrums is right, too, though, I love the drumming on that track, just awesome.

[CJH2112]

I don't get people who need to be enlightened or have Neil Peart's greatness explained to them but I will bite:

Neil is not the greatest drummer in the world and HE would be the first to admit that. I don't believe there is such a thing but Neil is among the greatest drummers in history. If you look over his career and listened to his drumming you would hear his genius. I don't think playing drum solos defines ones '' greatness'' but Neil is one of the greatest soloist in the history of our instrument that is a fact. I can't breakdown to you any specifics harly_g on what makes Neil great or why you don't get his celebrity and why he is touted as one of the greats. You are entitled to your opinion and I am not flaming you. For me and many others, Neil is a major drumming influence and one of the best.

[harley_g]

Thanks for those who've replied so far. And like youenjoy said his swing capabilities are mediocre at best (what is with that trigger big band finish at the end of his solo's?)

I will get a hold of La Villa Strangiato and see what he has to offer. But while we're on the topic of his playing with the rest of rush, I've seen videos of that too and I also just found his grooves to be boring (once again not to be mistaken with simplicity).

Neil is not the greatest drummer in the world and HE would be the first to admit that. I don't believe there is such a thing but Neil is among the greatest drummers in history.

I never said he was or that even such a tag should exist. "The greatest drummer in the world" is just such a pathetic title, it really doesn't mean anything to me when someone throws it on a drummer. Has anyone heard every drummer in the world? No. Then there's the sheer vagueness of it, and the fact that so much of why a drummer is good or bad is due to taste or opinion. And I can't see why Neil is among the greatest (once again bad title), and this why I came here because Drummerworld is obviously the best place.

As for the rest of CJh2112's comments, I told you everything I thought and WHY I thought it, so to just see these huge statements like "Neil is one of the greatest soloists in the history of our instrument and that is a fact" means absolutely nothing. First off how could it be a fact? If we're gonna talk facts here, why not mention Gene Krupa. He made the drums a solo instrument; before him no one had heard of a drum solo. That's a fact. After going to such lengths to explain why he's a boring soloist, how could I believe that he's one the best with a statement like that? You didn't even give one reason. If you can't break down why he's so good then that's alright for you but I'm really trying to get some real answers here. But thanks for your reply :)

I'm not won over yet! :P

[King Of Drums]

Honestly I think he's a good drummer. He can play in nearly all styles, I admit not always convincingly but he's still a great drummer. He plays a bit too busy imo but it suits the music of rush perfectly. The rhythm section of that band is tight. I couldn't imagine many other drummers that would fit the music like him. I can always identify a rush song by his drumming. He has very characteristic fills, and unique sounding toms.

If you think about his influence too... Do you know how many great drummers may have never started if it weren't for him? He inspired a whole new generation of drummers. There is a reason he is one of the most famous drummers to ever live. Overall I think he's a great drummer, highly overrated but hey a lot of worse drummers are too... I've never met him but I've seen a few interviews with him. Definitely not a stereotypical "rock star" at all.

[stasz]

Definitely not a stereotypical "rock star" at all.

This is most definitely true-- name another rock lyricist of the last century who was inspired by the writing of Ayn Rand.

YEM

[harley_g]

I listened to La Villa Strangiato and it's not a bad song. It has some alright grooves but honestly nothing special to me...plus the parts where he plays the groove on the toms to me sounds weak and doesn't back the guitar part in my opinion.

As for his influence he sure does have a lot, I guess I just can't really see why.

Overall I think he's a great drummer, highly overrated but hey a lot of worse drummers are too...

I think this just must be it, he's overrated by so many people. He's competent I'll give him that but I just don't hear anything special in his playing. Sorry! :P

[graham rogers]

xanadau has a beautiful drum part as does jacob's ladder....
i think that if he is over rated it is probably because he has such an imposing personality rather than anything to do with his drumming.
i can see why some people might find him annoying.

[crumbdrums]

This is most definitely true-- name another rock lyricist of the last century who was inspired by the writing of Ayn Rand.

YEM

Neil is a fantastic drummer, but I really must say, I don't care for his lyrics. I personally think they're pretentious and often sound stilted.

[stasz]

Neil is a fantastic drummer, but I really must say, I don't care for his lyrics. I personally think they're pretentious and often sound stilted.

I know better lyrics also... Being inspired by Ayn rand doesn't make you a good writer, it's just that I don't know another guy in a rock band who reads Ayn Rand.

[LethalWolfe]

Harley_g,

Here are a couple of reasons I admire, and enjoy, Neil Peart's drumming. To start with, it touches in me a place where good music (a subjective term I know) is supposed to touch you. Many of Rush's songs communicate to me on an emotional level like very few pieces of music do. I started listening to Rush before I knew who Rush was let alone who Neil Peart was. I fell it love w/it because I thought it was great, not because I had people telling me I'm supposed to think it's great. I think Neil, and Rush over all, has a very good balance between emotional and technical playing. As a whole it's technical enough to make you go, "wow", emotional enough to keep it from being "cold", and, most importantly, they play to serve the song.

I like Neil's solos (The Rhythm Method is still the best incarnation, IMO) because it feels like there is cohesive thread running thru the whole solo. A point, like he is trying to communicate something, tell a story, during his solo. If the story had a name I think it would be "A Brief History of Drumming in around 9 minutes." ;) Many of the other drum solos I've listened to feel hollow (like a visually stunning movie w/a lackluster plot). Neil's goal when building his drum solo was to make an homage, basically, to drumming. Parts of his solo are inspired by his many bicycle trips in Africa, his own version of "The Drum also Waltzes" is a tribute to Max Roach, and the swing section at the end is for the drummers he grew up listening to, like Buddy Rich. I think that personalization is what gives his solo the emotional undertone many others lack.

And about Neil's expression, that's just his "work face." Jordan stuck out his tongue, Namath wore a fur coat, Neil looks intense (which only helps cement "The Professor" as an appropriate nick name for him).


Lethal

[mikeybbdrummin]

I think the problem is w/age in most cases. Im 38, been playing for 20 years and Neil was HUGE in the 80's. He is my second biggest influence. First being Gregg Bissonette and third being Alex Van Halen. All guys big in the 80's. I said Influence. Not "Greatest ever" "Best to walk the Earth". Just who got me excited about playing. Now drummers are so advanced; Donati, Lang, Minimen, Greb, Jarzombek and the like. The more complicated the more people are impressed.
So as great a drummer Neil is for the band and what he has contributed to drums he is not at their level of playing. Gregg as well. Gregg is respected as a guy that can play just about anything. But basically (for the most part) its what is popular when you are growing up playing. And if Neil wasn't who you grew up listening to then you just dont get it.

[Mikecore]

How many drummer have a growth phase named after them?




(crickets chirping)


When we start hearing about "The ubiquitous Joey Jordison phase" , then we can raise questions about Neil's relevance to drumming.

[Dunnett]

I don't think can really address your question without examining your operating paradigm, meaning, if you don't "get" Peart, if you are not impressed with his solos etc, then please provide an example of who DOES meet your criteria.

[Jason Dorn]

Ok I have to chime in here. Peart is my favorite drummer this is true is he the most talented drummer in the world no is he the most glamourous no. But you know what neil does have that alot of technically better drummers don't ? Neil Peart has an understanding of what music fans not just other drummers will be able to relate to.

I have seen many "technically better" drummers perform solos that as a drummer blew my mind to look around in the crowd and see alot of people looking lost and start talking among themselves and lose interest in the solo go to the bathroom what not.

At a rush show the solo is a mesmerizing part of the show that leaves people amazed and interested. This is because he uses a simplicity that the music fan can relate to and builds around harmony melody and theme.

Do people who arent drummers see a Dave Weckl solo and go home saying omg did you see him do that triple flamadiddle inverted ratamacaca poo poo. No you dont and thats because thats lost on the average listener. They sure do remember the mallet cat the cowbell fills the big band break see it is able to be related to in a musical context.

Thats why so many other drummers with chops out the roof play clubs and smaller venues Because they arent as accesible they will draw the drummers and musicians out but for the most part it doesent have that widespread musical appeal.

So is Neil Peart the greatest soloist ever certainly not. But if you ask a rock fan who has seen Rush along with many other bands chances are they are going to be very impressed with Peart and remember him as an awesome drummer.

See thats why he has become such a big name people remember him because they can relate musically to what hes doing. I cant really think of another band that has had the sucsess that Rush has that when you mention the band the average music fan says oh yeah they have that insane drummer.

See thats what Peart does he transcends drumming he is an entertainer.

[WarrenM]

What I really respect most about Peart is his attention to the craft. Watching 'A Work In Progress' and 'Anatomy of a Drum Solo", you really get a sense of how much he cares about drumming - it's history and it's applications. He's really technically minded but still realizes that it has to sound good to the crowd and grab them.

Neil is my drumming hero. Heh.

[IDDrummer]

Very well put, Jason. I just saw Rush Friday night at the White River Amphitheater, and it was a great show! We've all heard the joke about the drum solo being "Bathroom-break time." Well, I can tell you that people were as enthusiastic about Peart's solo as any other part of the show. He got huge cheers from the crowd, and people watched the whole thing attentively. The place was packed, despite the rain, and it was a very fun crowd - everybody happy and energetic.

Frankly, I can appreciate the technicality of many great drummers' solos, but I truly do not enjoy most of them. In that way, I think I'm more like a non-drumming listener. But I enjoy Peart's solo at Rush shows. It's interesting, it moves, it is a true composition. Most technically complicated? Nah. Most fun for the general listener? Yeah, I believe so. At least that's what I've seen at all the Rush shows I've attended over the years.

If you don't get it, that's fine. There are certainly enough of us who do.

[Zumba_Zumba]

I'm glad this discussion is going on. It gives me a chance to think of why I like Neil as a drummer so much. The point about the era and influences is great. I first listened to Joey Kramer and then Nicko. Then came Neil with his huge set up and "multi-percussive" approach to rock music. I have since moved on to Dennis Chambers and Lang.

Neil has applied new and exciting ways to play multiple parts to progressive rock anthems. Check out Xanadu, The Trees, Mystic Rhythms, Territories, Scars...these songs span decades and really show the creativity of Neil. People have to remember: Neil invented these parts. Anyone can sit there and copy it and say, "big deal". But try to invent something like what he has.

He really got me excited to play drums. I remember a Test for Echo show in Detroit with a sold out crowd clapping along to his electronic part leading to the "Scars" section. Afterward, the standing ovation was huge and minutes long. Great moment in my life.

He has influenced many people with more reasons than newer drummers may ever know. Discovery is a wonderful thing.

[WarrenM]

Anyone can sit there and copy it and say, "big deal". But try to invent something like what he has.
I think that hits the nail on the head. It's not the difficulty of playing the parts, it's the creation and writing of them. The innovative nature of it. That's what it takes to be inspiring, in my book, not simply speed of playing or difficulty of material.

[mikeybbdrummin]

. Anyone can sit there and copy it and say, "big deal". But try to invent something like what he has.


PLEASE READ IN FULL!
Absolutely true. And very over looked. I have thought this about Neil when people rag on him. People like to rag on him for what he CAN'T play that others can. So he may be stiff when he plays jazz. He tries. Or is not an independence wizard like, Lang, Bozzio, or Donati. He's not trying to be. Or trying to be Weckle, Colaiuta or Chambers. Thats like not liking a baseball catcher cause he cant pitch like the pitcher. News flash; He's not a pitcher he's a catcher. So WHY does Neil have to play like everyone else? And for Harley G; Listen to some RUSH cd's and dont Judge by a solo. That goes for Portnoy as well. Portnoy is one of the odd time masters.
One thing I know is, inventing a part that sticks is whats important. Think about this carefully;If any drummer walks into a drum shop and takes ONE, not two but One stick and plays the intro to "YYZ" with the bell of ONE cymbal not a whole drum kit, but one cymbal, EVERYONE will know EXACTLY what it is. No other drummer has ever done that. End of Story!

[ZildjianMan1023]

neil peart is one of my greatest influences.. nuff said


Dom

[Zumba_Zumba]

Absolutely true. And very over looked. I have thought this about Neil when people rag on him. People like to rag on him for what he CAN'T play that others can. So he may be stiff when he plays jazz. He tries. Or is not an independence wizard like, Lang, Bozzio, or Donati. He's not trying to be. Or trying to be Weckle, Colaiuta or Chambers. Thats like not liking a baseball catcher cause he cant pitch like the pitcher. News flash; He's not a pitcher he's a catcher. So WHY does Neil have to play like everyone else? And for Harley G; Listen to some RUSH cd's and dont Judge by a solo. That goes for Portnoy as well. Portnoy is one of the odd time masters.
One thing I know is, inventing a part that sticks is whats important. Think about this carefully;If any drummer walks into a drum shop and takes ONE, not two but One stick and plays the intro to "YYZ" with the bell of ONE cymbal not a whole drum kit, but one cymbal, EVERYONE will know EXACTLY what it is. No other drummer has ever done that. End of Story!


I agree, he has not taken the interdependence to the level of Lang, Donati and Bozzio, but listen to some parts on the Hold Your Fire album (Tai Shan?) and Territories and Mystic Rhythms. His latest album actually has a song that is a remnant of that type of playing (drums only on his site if interested). When I read some posts that bash him I wonder if these people are/were listening to the same person I am/was. Neil was certainly more aggressive and very innovative back in the day. Later albums are not so special but their latest album reminds me of Counterparts.

[mikeybbdrummin]

I agree, he has not taken the interdependence to the level of Lang, Donati and Bozzio, but listen to some parts on the Hold Your Fire album (Tai Shan?) and Territories and Mystic Rhythms. His latest album actually has a song that is a remnant of that type of playing (drums only on his site if interested). When I read some posts that bash him I wonder if these people are/were listening to the same person I am/was. Neil was certainly more aggressive and very innovative back in the day. Later albums are not so special but their latest album reminds me of Counterparts.

I think its an age thing, and knowing what makes a good drummer. Take a guy Like Keith Carlock and put him next to Virgil. Totaly different drummers. But would you (not you in particular) say Keith is not impressive? Doubtfull. Cause Neil is not doing "Multi Pedal Orchestration" does not not make him a bad drummer. Just as many if not more drummers have wanted to "Be" Neil then drummers have wanted to be Lang or Donati. To me Neil makes drummers want to be better drummers. While Lang, Donati Minnimen and the like(which I respect) make drummers want to be showoffs. Which takes away from being a team player.

[drdrmmr]

peart is one of the the most creative drummers and he has absolutely precious playing. It would be better if he shows some smile :)

[Eye of the Beholder]

I like his drumming but i think his fills are too predictable

[mikei]

Here is a great solo. Enjoy

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a27_1187478156

[WarrenM]

Der Trommler is amazing. I can't see how anyone could watch that and say anything bad about the man's playing. :)

[ManCannon]

I don't want to ruffle anybody's feathers here but I always found Peart to be somewhat wooden and lacking in feel. Sure, he's technically great and creative but I just don't think he has much feel. Of course Rush/Peart fans think this is blasphemy...

I'll come right out and say it:

Peart is influential and really good, but his lack of feel knocks him considerable down on the list of greatest drummers ever.

[WarrenM]

Of course Rush/Peart fans think this is blasphemy...
Well, as you may or may not be aware, people often have differing opinions. You're entitled to yours but it doesn't make theirs wrong by extension.

[Drummer30]

Hello everyone...thought I might bring up a thread that hasn't had a post for a while. I actually came on here quite a lot a while back but got busy so when I came back I couldn't get into my account...anyway. I come because something has been bothering me.

I have seen many a video of Peart. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I didn't mind him. But a visit to the good old YouTube and another watch of his solos and such, and I quickly became confused. Looking at the amount of people proclaiming that drums were invented for Peart, and that without a doubt he is the greatest drummer ever to live, I thought I was taking crazy pills. I was ALMOST drawn to start an argument and become like one of those losers who sit on YouTube and drone on and on about why Derek Roddy is so much better than Joey Jordison (they're both tasteless in my opinion but that's beside the point).

Every single solo I've seen of Peart immediately reminds me of solo's I would come up with when I'd been playing for 6 months to a year. Four on the floor, semiquavers on the snare with some triplets, and some tom fills. I'm not here to say I could school Peart in a battle or that he's crap or anything like that, I've just honestly been baffled by why people continue to be so amazed by stuff that many beginners come up with for their first solo. When I was in a Mike Mangini clinic he actually said that the whole four on the floor thing is a beginnerish thing (in the sense that it's what drummers start out with, not that it's bad or anything).

If I was playing stuff so similar to Peart after such a short while of playing and only being able to play a Go-Go's greatest hits album, how is he so good?

After roughly 8 minutes of soloing I saw a guy who looked uncomfortable and frankly unhappy (beside the point but it doesn't hurt to show some emotion...) and who could come up with nothing but basically what would usually be a rock fill played over and over again. It bored me to tears, not because it was simple (some of the best sounding licks I've heard are simple) but because it just seemed so repetitive and uncreative.

There's hardly any dynamic range in his soloing. For the best drummer in the world he sure doesn't show any contrast. I saw an old post on here saying how he leaves heaps of space and such in his solos...I could here no space except the space between his semiquavers and the time it took him to jump around to his electronic drum kit. So often in drumming less is more...

Which leads me to the next thing. He has such a big kit, but I just see him use it so uncreatively, it's honestly uninspiring. There are so many drummers out there who create just this amazing contrast and inventive grooves and patterns on a 4-piece, meanwhile Peart continues his long semiquaver tom roll. Bill Stewart, Brian Blade, JoJo Mayer (maybe a 5-piece but close enough), it goes on. While I'm at it I might offend any others who weren't already offended :P...I haven't been so bored or confused since I saw Mike Portnoy play his monster kit.

I've tried to take the high road here folks because I've thought long and hard and I've come up with nothing except that the people who like him can only appreciate big drum kits and loud playing. I know this can't be true so I MUST be missing something. I just don't get it.

Enlighten me!

Harley

Well I'd say that you need to look a little closer then my friend because most of the time not just one thing is going on at once. Like when he's playing the waltz section, have you actually tried to do that without a little practice. Not very easy from my experience. Also, if you are so educated then you would have found a full coverage of his Anatomy of a Drum Solo DVD. No? In fact just watch what the snipits we have here on DW, and see for yourself. Hopefully you will begin to see the clearer picture as to how his solo was meant to be, a tribute to drumming in general and his progression through that world.

It also confuses me when you compare him to people such as Jojo and Brian Blade. Last I checked they don't even play his style of music. I tend to believe that your taste in music has biased this opinion. As for the large kit thing too, listen to his new song Malignant Narcissism, that was played on a 5 piece. No long tom rolls, none of his "untasteful" use of so many drums, just one solid instrumental track.

Also, remember that a solo isn't the image of a drummers talent. If thats all you listen to then you really need to take a step back and do some more research because you've missed some pretty good stuff (ex. Mike Portnoy, I agree the solos are poor but the tracks he produces are much better).

Hope you're enlightened.

[WhereDoEaglesDare?]

Oh, THANKS xush!! Nice!!

Though...it cuts out and stops at 48 seconds, and it says that it's 5:15 long?? That seems kinda strange, huh?

Anyway...Thanks for that...Play On! ;-)

Ok I have to chime in here. Peart is my favorite drummer this is true is he the most talented drummer in the world no is he the most glamourous no. But you know what neil does have that alot of technically better drummers don't ? Neil Peart has an understanding of what music fans not just other drummers will be able to relate to.

I have seen many "technically better" drummers perform solos that as a drummer blew my mind to look around in the crowd and see alot of people looking lost and start talking among themselves and lose interest in the solo go to the bathroom what not.

At a rush show the solo is a mesmerizing part of the show that leaves people amazed and interested. This is because he uses a simplicity that the music fan can relate to and builds around harmony melody and theme.

Do people who arent drummers see a Dave Weckl solo and go home saying omg did you see him do that triple flamadiddle inverted ratamacaca poo poo. No you dont and thats because thats lost on the average listener. They sure do remember the mallet cat the cowbell fills the big band break see it is able to be related to in a musical context.

Thats why so many other drummers with chops out the roof play clubs and smaller venues Because they arent as accesible they will draw the drummers and musicians out but for the most part it doesent have that widespread musical appeal.

So is Neil Peart the greatest soloist ever certainly not. But if you ask a rock fan who has seen Rush along with many other bands chances are they are going to be very impressed with Peart and remember him as an awesome drummer.

See thats why he has become such a big name people remember him because they can relate musically to what hes doing. I cant really think of another band that has had the sucsess that Rush has that when you mention the band the average music fan says oh yeah they have that insane drummer.

See thats what Peart does he transcends drumming he is an entertainer.

good post man i completly agree

[Mapex589]

I saw Neil from the 10th row last night in St. Louis on the Snakes and Arrows tour and it was as usual.....inspiring! Neil plays with so much intesity but that can only be seen in his face because he plays in such a relaxed fasion. They played a lot from the new album and that was ok with me, I like the new album a lot. I have seen them do the old stuff enough that seeing the new material played is very refreshing. Being so close I never really saw any other part ot the show...my eyes were on Neil the whole show. It was awesome!!

[slingerland755]

I have been listening to Peart for 25 years. I've seen Rush 5 times and every time I was blown away. I graduated the year Moving Pictures came out and that album changed my life. Neil is a true innovator.

Neil plays the exact lick one would expect in the Rush "hits." However, when the band jumps into a jam (like La Villa S.), anything can happen. They break sections down and improvise with the best of them. I understand people not getting into Geddy Lee's voice or not liking Rush's sound but it's a bit short sighted to just say "ahh I don't get it." Try this, have you a nice fat steak for dinner (with a juicy Cabernet), dim the lights, and relax with your significant other while listening to Permanent Waves uncut. Hallalueja!

[michael drums]

I have been listening to Peart for 25 years. I've seen Rush 5 times and every time I was blown away. I graduated the year Moving Pictures came out and that album changed my life. Neil is a true innovator.

Neil plays the exact lick one would expect in the Rush "hits." However, when the band jumps into a jam (like La Villa S.), anything can happen. They break sections down and improvise with the best of them. I understand people not getting into Geddy Lee's voice or not liking Rush's sound but it's a bit short sighted to just say "ahh I don't get it." Try this, have you a nice fat steak for dinner (with a juicy Cabernet), dim the lights, and relax with your significant other while listening to Permanent Waves uncut. Hallalueja!

...or Hemispheres!

Play On! ;-)

[slingerland755]

You're exactly right!

[slingerland755]

[QUOTE=WhereDoEaglesDare?;351310]good post man i completly agree[/QUOTE
Dude, you took the words right out of my mouth.

[stasz]

Happy 55th Birthday Neil! I heard you had a killer show on Saturday, but I wasn't able to attend. Hope you can keep rockin' for another 55.

[michael drums]

Happy Birthday, Professor!

Here's to another 55, Mr. Peart...


Play On! :-)

[fumana05]

Well I'd say that you need to look a little closer then my friend because most of the time not just one thing is going on at once. Like when he's playing the waltz section, have you actually tried to do that without a little practice. Not very easy from my experience. Also, if you are so educated then you would have found a full coverage of his Anatomy of a Drum Solo DVD. No? In fact just watch what the snipits we have here on DW, and see for yourself. Hopefully you will begin to see the clearer picture as to how his solo was meant to be, a tribute to drumming in general and his progression through that world.

It also confuses me when you compare him to people such as Jojo and Brian Blade. Last I checked they don't even play his style of music. I tend to believe that your taste in music has biased this opinion. As for the large kit thing too, listen to his new song Malignant Narcissism, that was played on a 5 piece. No long tom rolls, none of his "untasteful" use of so many drums, just one solid instrumental track.

Also, remember that a solo isn't the image of a drummers talent. If thats all you listen to then you really need to take a step back and do some more research because you've missed some pretty good stuff (ex. Mike Portnoy, I agree the solos are poor but the tracks he produces are much better).

Hope you're enlightened.

Hello everyone...thought I might bring up a thread that hasn't had a post for a while. I actually came on here quite a lot a while back but got busy so when I came back I couldn't get into my account...anyway. I come because something has been bothering me.

I have seen many a video of Peart. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I didn't mind him. But a visit to the good old YouTube and another watch of his solos and such, and I quickly became confused. Looking at the amount of people proclaiming that drums were invented for Peart, and that without a doubt he is the greatest drummer ever to live, I thought I was taking crazy pills. I was ALMOST drawn to start an argument and become like one of those losers who sit on YouTube and drone on and on about why Derek Roddy is so much better than Joey Jordison (they're both tasteless in my opinion but that's beside the point).

Every single solo I've seen of Peart immediately reminds me of solo's I would come up with when I'd been playing for 6 months to a year. Four on the floor, semiquavers on the snare with some triplets, and some tom fills. I'm not here to say I could school Peart in a battle or that he's crap or anything like that, I've just honestly been baffled by why people continue to be so amazed by stuff that many beginners come up with for their first solo. When I was in a Mike Mangini clinic he actually said that the whole four on the floor thing is a beginnerish thing (in the sense that it's what drummers start out with, not that it's bad or anything).

If I was playing stuff so similar to Peart after such a short while of playing and only being able to play a Go-Go's greatest hits album, how is he so good?

After roughly 8 minutes of soloing I saw a guy who looked uncomfortable and frankly unhappy (beside the point but it doesn't hurt to show some emotion...) and who could come up with nothing but basically what would usually be a rock fill played over and over again. It bored me to tears, not because it was simple (some of the best sounding licks I've heard are simple) but because it just seemed so repetitive and uncreative.

There's hardly any dynamic range in his soloing. For the best drummer in the world he sure doesn't show any contrast. I saw an old post on here saying how he leaves heaps of space and such in his solos...I could here no space except the space between his semiquavers and the time it took him to jump around to his electronic drum kit. So often in drumming less is more...

Which leads me to the next thing. He has such a big kit, but I just see him use it so uncreatively, it's honestly uninspiring. There are so many drummers out there who create just this amazing contrast and inventive grooves and patterns on a 4-piece, meanwhile Peart continues his long semiquaver tom roll. Bill Stewart, Brian Blade, JoJo Mayer (maybe a 5-piece but close enough), it goes on. While I'm at it I might offend any others who weren't already offended :P...I haven't been so bored or confused since I saw Mike Portnoy play his monster kit.

I've tried to take the high road here folks because I've thought long and hard and I've come up with nothing except that the people who like him can only appreciate big drum kits and loud playing. I know this can't be true so I MUST be missing something. I just don't get it.

Enlighten me!

Harley

Hello all, newly joined on this forum but have been reading for a while. Interesting that of course everyone has and is entitiled to an opinion and I guess thats the purpose here. However, being that I am a big Rush/Neil fan etc. and drummer from many years back it astonishes me the amount of bashing going on.It's easy to say a part is easy to play once it has been figured out, but lets give credit to the creation/invention of the part and song. In other words, so you can copy it ? But can you create it ? And seeing that your such an expert who are you ? What qualifies you to be the judge ?
It will always be debateable that there are many great drummers out there how does one really qualify who is the "best" Its all a matter of opinion, right ?
So in my humble opinion Neil has made a great contribution to the drumming community over the years, he is certainly been an inspiration across the board. When I go to a Rush show I too notice how many people in the audience actually really pay attention and enjoy his solo's. They are very creative, original and musical. As we say here amongst our friends "no one plays like Neil" He's certainly up there among the best, and i admire the man for his accomplishments.
Happy Birthday !!

[cygnify]

I've been a fan of Neil's since I started playing drums - in fact, he was probably the reason I started my music career 25 years ago! My avatar is actually one of two postcards that I had received from Neil in response to "ask a pro" letters I had sent years ago. In spite of my admiration for and inspiration from Neil, I am not a fan that bows to every single note he plays. I can be equally critical of certain aspects of his playing. HOWEVER, I think most criticisms miss the point when they say "his stuff isn't that hard to play." Neil makes music - he plays as a contributor and supporting member of his band. He is not in the business of just creating the most difficult drum fill to play or the craziest odd time groove ever committed. Even his solo is created in a musical sense and is appropriate for the venue it is performed in - large arenas filled with Rock fans. Perhaps it would be different if Neil had developed playing jazz clubs for the past 33 years... Neil is humbly inspired by the masters of drumming history and modern monsters - and he writes about how he wishes he could play like them.

I was thinking about differences in approach between a modern rock master, such as Gavin Harrison, and Neil. Gavin's approach to fills is much more rooted in improvisation - and this, while usually always very impressive, has mixed results. My humble criticism of Gavin's approach would be that his fills almost become interchangeable. You could almost take that massive fill in "Fear of a Blank Planet" and cut and paste it into "Anesthetize" with only a few die hards would notice. On the other hand, Neil's well thought-out fills and patterns almost become part of the melody of the song - it is this aspect that gives many of Neil's drum parts so much personality. Both are valid approaches, with pros and cons.

The fact remains that Neil has been a huge inspiration to a whole generation of Rock drummers, and he, along with Rush, have had a amazing 33 year career (!) of making very creative music that has defined it's own style.

[Honketonk]

I saw Rush last friday for the first time, in Oberhausen, Germany, and it was soooo awesome !!! Expected a lot, and got more than that ! Played all their classic hits and lots of Snakes & Arrows, these songs really kick live ! Animations on the video screens were just RAD ! Awesome, especially the south park one going straight into Tom Sawyer.

Some parts of Neils Solo were exactly like the R30 one, but with kinda other samples in the E-Solo. His red kit looks killer and he played fantastic, so did Geddy and Alex. It was a special night for me, wich I won´t forget too fast !

[balboa]

Drummers like Dennis Chambers, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Adam Nussbaum, Chad Wackerman and Jack DeJohnette completely and totally blow Neil Peart away. It doesn't matter if they're not rock drummers and he is. Neil Peart has to be one of the most overrated drummers of all time. I'd bet at least one in five drummers that graduates from the Berklee of music every year can do everything that Neil Peart can do including the odd time. The only difference is he's in huge band that's been huge for a long time and they're not.

they couldnt blow him away in RUSH!!! only one great drummer for RUSH!!!excluding rutsy, and thats NEIL PEART baby

[Class A Drummer]

I don't want to ruffle anybody's feathers here but I always found Peart to be somewhat wooden and lacking in feel. Sure, he's technically great and creative but I just don't think he has much feel. Of course Rush/Peart fans think this is blasphemy...

I'll come right out and say it:

Peart is influential and really good, but his lack of feel knocks him considerable down on the list of greatest drummers ever.
I disagree. I dont think he could have become such a legend without having a feel. Sure he kinda looks like a piece of lead while he plays (i dont remember who said that on this forum but its the best way for me to describe it) but i dont see how he doesnt have a feel. Listen to songs like La Villa Strangiato and Subdivisions.
I guess we probably have different views but I just dont think he is lacking feel.

Edit- Heh heh, this is my 3333rd post haha.

[michael drums]

Well...


As you can see, this "so-called" ManCannon, is a "one and done" poster, just tryin' to stir-up controversy Class A. Only 1 post...3 1/2 MONTHS AGO!

And I wouldn't be surprised if it's just one of the regular Neil Peart bashers ALREADY a member of DW. Tryin' to throw in his 2 cents(at best) under the radar...

Paaa-leezz...

[Jammin' Jamin 2112]

I think it's amazing how Neil Peart is such a consistent player. Sure he plays everything in conert the EXACT same as on the record, and does it with a serious look his face. That's because when he creates his drum parts for Rush songs, he actually makes them a peice of music. Even his solos are all planned out. It's not that he can't improvise to shake things up, it's just that he doesn't want to.

[Liquid_Drummer]

Rate Neil however you want. One thing is for sure and I think it is the point that people who put him down miss. He has his own "voice" behind the drums. There are incredible technical drummers out there like Weckl etc and as good as Dave is he could not play Neil's parts the way Neil plays them. Just like having someone sit in for Bonham. Yes the songs work but they are not the same.

I think Neil was a better drummer in the past than he is now and I think his "reinvention" plus his terrible family losses hurt his playing. He got bored and its understandable that he wanted to change his style but if its not broke dont fix it.

Listen to The Camera Eye" and tell me Neil isnt a bad ass because that is some very intense drumming there and his live performances in the 80's.. Forget about it. Rush without Neil would not work because his "voice" is essential and will forever be a huge part of drumming history.

Oh, and he writes all the lyrics.

[michael drums]

Well said, LD! Great point(s)!

There's NO ONE that could do what NP has done for Rush, and have given his type of inspiration to the masses that have followed his incredible career as a musician, lyricist, AND an author.

And THANK YOU, LD, for returning some common sense to this thread...


Peace! ;-)

[Smashin Jack]

He is my favorite drummer of all time, followed by MP. When I first started in playing drums My Sharona was big on the radio and I really liked the drums on it, so I would bang my Remo practice pad to the song constantly. Then I heard Tom Sawyer and from that point on Peart was my idol. I remember sitting there with the cassette player rewinding the lead over and over trying to figure it out. It was my first introduction to odd meter and I loved the challenge. The only problem was, after learning to play like Neil was a mistake for me as a young drummer. It took years and years to become a more rounded player. For instance, when I was a kid I played in a band that did Anthem (Rush), Highway Star (Deep Purple) and I could play all the parts, but when I went to try to play a Beatles song with my older brother I overcomplicated things and couldn't really get the groove. I don't mean to turn this post into a lecture, but if young drummers out there want to sound original, do what Neil says and master many drummers styles, not just one or two!

[KarlCrafton]

Ok,
As much as I dig NP, and I thought he was so awesome when I was a kid (he's still awesome), but has anyone else noticed in the big 2 page ad for the new DW 23" bass drum, Neil states that for the last 33 years he's played a 22" bass drum?

Back when he was with Tama his kicks were 24's, and he was with Tama for a long time, so what's up with that?

Even in his written Tour Program spots he had his kicks listed as 24's.

He say's that he liked the sound of 24's, but they didn't work for him, and he stayed with 22's.

I don't think I'm being a nit-picker, or an a-hole for pointing this out......

Anyone else have a thought on this?

Here's a link to the DW site NP article

http://www.dwdrums.com/peart/heartandsoul1.html

I just find this really curious....

[Matt-a-tat-tat]

Drum solos are always boring to me. Peart's solo is - as he describes - a piece in and of itself and a percussive stroll down the history of drums. I like his solo. It's not some bit about how complicated he can play or how fast.
Listen to the mixed 'Main Monkey Business' drum track on his website www.neilpeart.net
He's good. Flat out. No need to discuss it really.

[KaBoom21]

I could go on but I'll just add this: his compositional work on albums such as Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures is amazing. That's where his true strength lies.

[Citizen Insane]

I saw Rush last year for my birthday, the best show I've ever seen. Peart is one of my main inspirations to play the drums. He can solo like no other drummer, their more like composition rather than solo's, there epic.


Peart is also a very intelligent man, I wish more famous musicians were able to articulate there thoughts like Peart can. It is always very interesting to hear him speak.

[RichardBlank]

I was fortunate enough to see him 3 times. The best in my opinion.

YYZ just keeps getting better.

In addition, I have started taking lessons, I can't really do too much but the