Broke Ludwig Supraphonic lug

[freehandstyle]

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I just bought a 14" x 5" Supraphonic from the 1976 from some guy and I found a broken screw in the lug.

I tested everything from the screws, the throw-off the, the hoops and the knob but I somehow missed the fact there was a missing nut on one of the lug until i was home to clean the shell.

I was wondering if this is something that is difficult to replace. I'm going a drum store tomorrow but right now I'm just really frustrated about the fact there's a broke piece in the snare.

Other than that, there's no damage to the shell or whatsoever. It's in great condition and I got it for $240 which I reasonable i suppose. But man, missing that lug is really annoying. Please help!

[Michael G]

If you would've discovered it earlier (Saturday) I could have got you some and mailed it, there was a whole box full of em, or could have gotten whole another imperial lug pretty cheaply if you needed.

Anyway, call an authorized Ludwig dealer about replacement screws, even though they switched lug design with the newer Supras, I'm sure there still have screws for it.

Or you could just get 1 cheap imperial lug off ebay or something and use that or just take the needed screw from it (make sure it has them first), I am not sure individual screws will be easy to find alone....

Edit: btw, if that screw is stuck in there and won't come out because it is broken, then you will have to get another imperial lug with the screws,

[freehandstyle]

If you would've discovered it earlier (Saturday) I could have got you some and mailed it, there was a whole box full of em, or could have gotten whole another imperial lug pretty cheaply if you needed.

Anyway, call an authorized Ludwig dealer about replacement screws, even though they switched lug design with the newer Supras, I'm sure there still have screws for it.

Or you could just get 1 cheap imperial lug off ebay or something and use that or just take the needed screw from it (make sure it has them first), I am not sure individual screws will be easy to find alone....

Edit: btw, if that screw is stuck in there and won't come out because it is broken, then you will have to get another imperial lug with the screws,

Fingers-cross that the local drumstore might have a replacement one lying in the shop. Thanks for the advice

[Skitch]

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I just bought a 14" x 5" Supraphonic from the 1976 from some guy and I found a broken screw in the lug.

I tested everything from the screws, the throw-off the, the hoops and the knob but I somehow missed the fact there was a missing nut on one of the lug until i was home to clean the shell.

I was wondering if this is something that is difficult to replace. I'm going a drum store tomorrow but right now I'm just really frustrated about the fact there's a broke piece in the snare.

Other than that, there's no damage to the shell or whatsoever. It's in great condition and I got it for $240 which I reasonable i suppose. But man, missing that lug is really annoying. Please help!


You might go to the hardware store and see if they have a screw extractor.

Mike

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[ludwigvondrumcrazy]

If you get the broken screw out let me know, I have a replacement, including the Washer. If you have to buy a new Lug, and I mean new, new, they will come with a P-260A, which is the Part # for the Screw & Cup Washer Assy...............

LVDC

[freehandstyle]

You might go to the hardware store and see if they have a screw extractor.

Mike

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is the screw extractor someone that can get it out or something to get the screw out? cause it seems so stuck it doesn't seem possible to get it out.

I tried with the pliers and I've failed in getting it out. Even with it out i guess I'll have to wait for Ludwigvon for the screw and it'll end up having the same cost and time for the new one.

I must say thanks for everyone's help and your quick response. I went to the local drum store and they're ordering the piece for me. Now let's just keep our fingers cross that the piece comes soon (being optimistically thinking it should take 1-2 weeks)

Oh man, i can't wait to start playing this baby. It sucks that it's just on my bookshelf looking so pretty :P

[Skitch]

is the screw extractor someone that can get it out or something to get the screw out? cause it seems so stuck it doesn't seem possible to get it out.

I tried with the pliers and I've failed in getting it out. Even with it out i guess I'll have to wait for Ludwigvon for the screw and it'll end up having the same cost and time for the new one.

I must say thanks for everyone's help and your quick response. I went to the local drum store and they're ordering the piece for me. Now let's just keep our fingers cross that the piece comes soon (being optimistically thinking it should take 1-2 weeks)

Oh man, i can't wait to start playing this baby. It sucks that it's just on my bookshelf looking so pretty :P


A screw extractor is a tool (looks something like a drill bit) for removing broken screws. We used to sell them at the auto parts store where I worked at.

Mike

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[ermghoti]

It looks like the broken end is sticking out? Cut a slot with a small file or a hacksaw, dowse it in penetrating oil, let it sit overnight, and remove it with a flat-head screwdriver.

[ludwigvondrumcrazy]

Even with it out i guess I'll have to wait for Ludwigvon for the screw and it'll end up having the same cost and time for the new one.

If you get it out the screw & washer will be in your mailbox just a few days after I receive your address. The screw assembly would cost you nothing.............

If you go the new route don't "toss" the original. Someone can easily get the screw out and since the new Lug has different internal parts someone would like to have an older design Imperial to match all the rest of the Lugs on an older Supra, just to keep it original. The new design Lug doesn't have the spring, it uses two plastic / nylon retainers to hold the Swivel Nuts in place. While this new design would reduce the possibility of a rattle, however small on Imperial's, I've found that the Tension Rods can bottom out on the plastic / nylon retainer "shelves" which tends to allow Tension Rods to work loose easier than the Spring style would. The rods are supposed to be able to pass thru the newer "shelves" but sometimes the holes are too small to allow this.............

LVDC

[ludwigvondrumcrazy]

I would like to add to my previous post by saying that there is also a difference between a 1970’s Imperial Lug and the new version from the outside but most people wouldn’t notice it. I wish I would have been keeping detailed notes, something I did when I got into this reconditioning “Gig” a couple of years ago, but dropped the practice due to the time it took away from cleaning. If I need to find out something I go to my Parts Bin and see if what I want to do will work by trying it and not looking through notes to see if it will.

With that said, the Swivel Nuts on the Imperial Lug, up through the early 80’s at least, were pretty much flush, or close to it, with the top of the casing while the newer Swivel Nuts protrude out of the casing some, which, to me, sticks out like a sore thumb if only one is different than the others but I look at these small details on a daily basis so notice such things right off the bat. When the Snare is behind a Kit, you would have to be Superman to see something like this and even up close most wouldn’t even notice the difference, but there is a difference. If it bothered someone they could always move the newer replacement around to the “back” of the Drum if the one they had to replace was in a high visibility area, like next to the Badge………….

The first image below shows a 70’s Imperial with the “flush” Swivel Nuts with the second showing one from the mid-90’s.

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Note tight fit above between the Lug Casing & Shell Bead..............

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2917504/16757805/286535620.jpg

Note the Rod Splay on the newer Supra. I’m told that at some point Ludwig reduced the diameter of their Shells to accommodate a wider variety of heads from different manufacturers, which also shows in a “gap” between the Lug & Shell on the newer Drums.

Here is an example of the “gap” mentioned above shown on the Titanium Shell “Chief" that also illustrates the difference in the Swivel Nut height above the Lug Casing..........

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2917504/16757805/286545035.jpg

The next shot shows the difference between the older, spring captured, and newer, shelf retained, Swivel Nuts. I’m not sure what Lugs these particular Nuts came from but think they may be out of Mini-Classic’s, they were right on top in my small Parts Bin so I grabbed them since they effectively show the difference in design.

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Due to the fact that the older style has a nipple to accept the spring it isn’t possible to do a retro fit by swapping out one style for another. I have come across some spring loaded Nuts with a “Hex Bottom” and have limited luck in getting them to fit the pocket of the older Lugs designed to accept the “Square Bottom” Nuts.

Below is an example of something I mentioned in my previous post, the Tension Rods bottoming out on the newer retainer shelves. If you look closely at the right hand shelves on the top two Lugs you can see where this had happened causing the shelves to “dish down” from the pressure caused by the Rods. If this causes too much of a problem a person could always ream out the holes in the shelves to allow clear passage of the Rods. Heck, if the Rods would thread themselves into the shelf hole it would actually help prevent the Rods from vibrating loose........

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2917504/16757805/286545021.jpg

On a related note, Ludwig also lengthened the Swivel Nuts on their wood shell Snare Bow Tie Lugs………….

LVDC