Paiste Twenty vs. Sabian Hand Hammered vs. Zildjian K

[parksung]

trying to decide on a new 16", something dark, not too trashy, but complex.

veering away from the K and more towards the Paiste...

anyone use any of these or all? opinions?

[Drumms]

Unless you want to stick with the three brands you named, maybe you should try a Meinl Byzance crash or an Istanbul Traditionnal? Those are complex without necessarily being trashy.

[aruration]

Ok firstly you'll have to exclude the K's because they're in the thrashy side...

And I'll second for the Meinl Byzance Crash propably a medium sized would be nice.

[Class A Drummer]

Try out the HHX Evolution 16" crash. I have it and its amazing. Its got a dark washy sound. Nice buttery feel when you hit it. Just an amazing cymbal.

[Nineball]

Can't go wrong with the Hand Hammered line, try the HH Thin Crash 16"

[GRUNTERSDAD]

I also just bought a HHX Evolution 16 inch crash, with some guy named Dave Weckl written on the bottom of it. I fell in love with it. Go bang on a few cymbals and let your ear decide.

[Stickbreaker93]

I would defienitly say the HHX Evolution, Very Clean and straight foward, Dark with a sudden burst of brightness as like an after taste...But a17" is a great size because of the soft feel of power. One con. you have to lean into it a bit to get a full sound, a light tap will give you this nasty after taste of a sound.

[Vintagedrummer]

Paiste Twenty's are my vote. Check out ther Alpha's too..

Peace

[pbm2112]

Hmmmm, I always thought the 16" HHX evo crash was really disappointing - underpowered with a dull lifeless decay. Nice initial crash, then nothing - sounds weak out front too. Still, that's what makes this such a wonderful diverse world. If it has to be a 16" cymbal, then check out 16" Zildjian K Custom Fast Crash, it does everything you want.

[Citizen Insane]

trying to decide on a new 16", something dark, not too trashy, but complex.

veering away from the K and more towards the Paiste...

anyone use any of these or all? opinions?

I would suggest Sabian hand hammered crashes, really warm, lush, and smooth. I think their great.

[Polymetrix1618]

I would go with the Paiste Twenty crashes. Also, look into the Signature full crash and New signature/Dark Energy crashes. The sound samples on Paiste's site are exactly what you'll get.

[Zildjian21]

Zildjian K Dark crash, thin or medium thin. best cymbals i've ever used. They mix with everything.

[MonteChristo]

I spend about an hour banging on some twentýs Friday. I was really pleasantly surprised. I did not care for the hats much but the crashes were great. Something I will add to my line up soon.

[bodinski]

I have a 16" Evolution that is a bit unusual. It has a certain exotic flavour that my old one (I owned another previously) lacked. I do wish it was a little louder & heavier, but it cuts through very well considering how incredibly thin it is. And it is ever so buttery..
On a side note, I have a 17" Masterwork Resonant thin crash that is reminiscent of the HH line, but more complex. You might wanna look into these, too.
Peace - Jeff

[Cymbalrider]

I would imagine something in Paiste Signature line would work. Zildjian Ks aren't trashy, but K Customs are. Sabian HH are not, but HHX are. Paiste Traditionals are pretty dark too. Bosphorus New Orleans are fantastic as well.

[Steamer]

Try to find a place that has samples of the new Azure 16" and 18" crashes made by Istanbul Agop. Best sounding full on crashes i've heard since I can't remember when PERIOD.

[=J=]

Agree 100% with the HHX evo, I dont rate the twenty series at all.

[Polishdrummer23]

I would go Sabian HH Dark Crash. It's complex but very refined versus trashy. The duo ride might be a nice shot, I can't say much about the Twenty's because I haven't had much experience with them