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Peter W.
10-18-2007, 01:23 AM
Gentlemen! I have a question about Ringo's Hi-Hats:

Does anyone know, what would be the (modern) Zildjian equivalent to Ringo's Hi-Hats (size and type)?

Thanks

Cymbalrider
10-18-2007, 04:47 PM
Zildjian Armand 14" hats

stasz
10-19-2007, 01:39 AM
Zildjian Armand 14" hats

Ditto.20000000000000000

radiofriendlyunitshifter
10-19-2007, 04:33 AM
and they are quite nice. i love mine.

Skitch
10-22-2007, 09:40 AM
Ringo also had a technique of playing the Hi hats known as buttering the bread which would be kind of like spreading the butter on a poece of bread using on side of the knife going away and the other side soming back towards you. It is an interesting technique to say the least.

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Peter W.
10-22-2007, 10:09 AM
Thank's to you all, for sharing your knowledge. I much appreciate it.

What's the source of information about Ringo's hi-hat?
And, we must kind of know the weight of the top and bottom hi-hat cymbals made by Zildjian in these days, right?

furbeedog@gmail.com
10-24-2007, 10:47 PM
I have the 13" Armand hats, they're very good as well. (On an unrelated note, I also play the buttering technique on the hihats fairly often, I don't think there's actually any reason to do so).

Cymbalrider
10-25-2007, 05:04 PM
If you look around a lot of vintage cymbal places you get an idea of what the weights of cymbals used to be. Old New Beats and such typically weighed under 1000g for the top maybe a little over for the bottom (this is in the 1960s,1970s) Today, very much like the pair I own, the top weighs around 1000g and the bottom around 1400 or more. It feels like you are playing two bottoms really. The profile has changed as well to be slightly higher and give a brighter sound. I'm really glad they put out those Armand series though that seem to revive the A series. Zildjian spends so much time marketing their Ks (probably to get people to buy a $500 cymbal when they don't really need it) it's nice to see something come along that reminds us of why Zildjian became famous.

Stevesmithfan
10-25-2007, 09:57 PM
Definetely the 14" Zildjian Armand. I just bought a pair and I love them. Very Ringoesque IMO.

Peter W.
10-26-2007, 10:18 AM
Thanks gentlemen for all the great replies!

Teach me some history now. What was the name of the different Zildjian hihats in 1963, or did they only produce one kind - named Zildjian hihats?

aydee
10-26-2007, 10:24 AM
ringo & greg bissonette.. together..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGTF3RjTwoA

rmandelbaum
10-27-2007, 03:12 AM
I have never heard the term "buttering the bread" but it makes sense. I do know it has its own feel that you really cant get any other way. I try to use it when I cover a Beatles song.

Try it you will know why Ringo smiled so much ;-)

Skitch
10-30-2007, 06:41 AM
I have the 13" Armand hats, they're very good as well. (On an unrelated note, I also play the buttering technique on the hihats fairly often, I don't think there's actually any reason to do so).

It is distinctly different sound and vibe than say just straight on sloshy hi hats, which sound more metal.


Mike

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Skitch
10-30-2007, 06:49 AM
Thanks gentlemen for all the great replies!

Teach me some history now. What was the name of the different Zildjian hihats in 1963, or did they only produce one kind - named Zildjian hihats?


Thay may have had more than one weight but according to my catalog, copyrighted 1958 - in Roman numerals (why do they do this?) there were no mdel designations.

Mike

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fourstringdrums
10-30-2007, 08:32 AM
Did Ringo use 15"'s? I always thought his hats (back in the early days "suits" era) looked larger than 14".

Peter W.
10-30-2007, 09:40 AM
Did Ringo use 15"'s? I always thought his hats (back in the early days "suits" era) looked larger than 14".

That would have been my guess to. And they sound like a 15"...

Colonel Bat Guano
10-30-2007, 09:55 AM
Before he got the Ludwig kit, he played that Premier kit in Mahogany Duroplastic. He may have used 15" Zyn hats (NS12 or "nickel silver" alloy), which were the mid-level cymbals that Premier packaged with their kits. They weren't big rock stars yet. Seems like I heard something like this over at Cymbalholic once. I own a pair of 15" NS12 Paistes from the early 60's and they can sound a little like the early 1962 recordings.

Also, 15" Armands would totally kill!

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pearlygates
10-31-2007, 01:16 PM
kinda off the Ringo thing but, I've been smitten at a certain 16" Armand thin crash. Glad Zildjian reintro'ed these pies!

percush602
07-14-2008, 02:58 AM
I saw a Beatles tribute band last night that was pretty good. The hi-hat sounded great, very "chippy" like Ringo's. During a break, I asked the drummer what he was playing and he said they were Zildjian New Beats. These guys had obviously spent a lot of time making sure their gear sounded as authentic as possible.

Are you sure about the Armand hats being the closest to Ringo's these days?

Bob Smith
07-14-2008, 03:07 AM
I was gonna say the same thing.
I would think although the armand hats are nice and very similar i think that the new beats are closer to the sound.