A little help with mozambique and samba

[AjminSko]

So I´ve been practicing the mozambique quite a bit lately.
Mostly from Martinez book "Afro-cuban coordination for drumset" and i think I´m starting to get clue on how to play the rhythm.
However when it comes to making a fill or even worse trying to resemble som kind of a solo I´m lost.
So I´m wondering if you got some tips on where to start?
Anyone know where I can find "fill in" exercises that fits the afro cuban styles?
I looked but there´s nothing in Martinez book.

The other question is regarding samba.
I just started on that one so I´m basically looking for both groove and rhythm variations and perhaps some fill ins, or exercises on how to develop fills for samba.
Links or other helpful tips or hints would be greatly appreciated!

Hope I wasn´t to "blurry" in my post.
It´s a talent of mine to transform simple questions into unrecognizable word poo.... =)

Anyway
Thanks in advance!

[Dibalo Jonze]

Not sure which Mozambique groove you are playing because it has a few good variations. To start with, whatever variation it is play three measures then on the 4th play the same sticking pattern but break it up around your kit. Your limbs will be moving the same ways but the orchestration will be different. Also mess with various accents. Most of the Mozambiques I play are four on floor with BD and HH so it makes it pretty easy to free up your arms.

The Samba requires great 4-way independence and is one of the more difficult Latin patterns IMO especially when its played at high tempos. For this I would recommend learning some Bossa Nova grooves first, especially ones with the snare hand playing the Partido Alto rhythm as its most often used on the snare in samba. I say to do this because this Bossa Nova is similar to many Samba grooves in that the bass drum and HH foot are playing the same ostinato, and snare hand is doing same thing to. Only difference is the Ride hand is bossa usually plays straight 1/8 notes while in Samba these notes are broken up. So once your comfortable with the Bossa start taking notes away from the ride hand and you'll start having more samba-like patterns.

Take it slow and when necessary practice just 3 or even only 2 limbs at once.
After you get the basic patterns down and listen to the appropriate music they're played with, fills and variations should come naturally.

[joeybeats]

For Mozambique, check this out ... quite good instruction.

http://jasonhorsler.tripod.com/id66.html

For Samba, I used Tommy Igoe's poster and then his new book that has the mp3's. The hardest part of the samba, for me anyway, was learning the independence to hit the accent on the 2 and 4 with the right hand, and at the same time, aquiring the independece to also pull off the accents on the rimshots. Like everything else, it is just a matter of sitting and practicing it very slowly. As Bermuda said in what is probably the best advice I've read on this forum, first learn it slowly, then continue to play it slowly, until you can play it faster.
Speaking of him, whatever happened to Bermuda? Too bad he was treated so poorly here when he visited and was posting regularly. He is probably as talented as any drummer alive with his special ability to copy any style and song to the exact strike. Just imagine the possibilities that flow from having that talent! Joey

[AjminSko]

For Mozambique, check this out ... quite good instruction.

http://jasonhorsler.tripod.com/id66.html

For Samba, I used Tommy Igoe's poster and then his new book that has the mp3's. The hardest part of the samba, for me anyway, was learning the independence to hit the accent on the 2 and 4 with the right hand, and at the same time, aquiring the independece to also pull off the accents on the rimshots. Like everything else, it is just a matter of sitting and practicing it very slowly. As Bermuda said in what is probably the best advice I've read on this forum, first learn it slowly, then continue to play it slowly, until you can play it faster.
Speaking of him, whatever happened to Bermuda? Too bad he was treated so poorly here when he visited and was posting regularly. He is probably as talented as any drummer alive with his special ability to copy any style and song to the exact strike. Just imagine the possibilities that flow from having that talent! Joey

I knew og Igoe´s poster and dvd but does he have a book out aswell?

[joeybeats]

Groove Essentials - The Play Along ... you can order it at the amazon link on the right after scrolling down a bit here http://drummerworld.com/drummers/Tommy_Igoe.html
Joey

[zambizzi]

I learned the first variation in The Drummer's Bible tonight...and was surprised at how simple it was compared to other Afro Cuban rhythms. I was totally intimidated by it until I actually sat down...and just dug in.

I highly recommend the book...since it comes w/ CDs that have very good examples of every beat in the book. Without this I surely wouldn't have captured the feel by just sight-reading.

[Dibalo Jonze]

I highly recommend the Drummer's Bible too (and not,this is not Stick Control - though that is a bible in another sense) to anyone looking for a solid crash course in every type of beat I've every heard.

Though not a full immersion in every style, if you study this book you could play in a rock, punk, jazz, bluegrass, funk, blues, heavy metal, brazilian, prog, afro-cuban,hip-hop, swing, rag-time, fusion, or reggae band and still wouldn't get to touch 1/3 of the beats in here. It is a great tool for your beat/drumming vocabulary.

[DCdrmwthme]

I have a nifty little 4 part video on my web site on the mozambique.

go here... http://www.davidcapuzelo.com/av.html and scroll down to Mozambique!