fool in the rain -please review

[bfdrum86]

do me a favor and tell me what you think of this guy and what hes saying about this groove .. especially what he says at 8min and 53 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvWrDsMphoE - this is supposed to be an instructional video to learn fool in the rain.

I posted a vid responce of how i play it , but i would rather hear what everyone thinks about this guys video not mine.

mine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgFDqogmF4

-bfdrum

[NUTHA JASON]

he's a little long winded.

go here if you want to learn fool in the rain etc.

http://jasonhorsler.tripod.com/id64.html

j

[T.Underhill]

IMO he made it a little confusing in his explanation. At the end he stiffly plays the shuffle and doesn't have a good groove feel.

[NUTHA JASON]

yes i just watched it again. for me he is teaching it or he learned it backwards in that he seems to put the shuffle last in consideration. it makes more sense to learn to really groove a simple shuffle and then gradually transmogrify it into a purdy and then into fool as per the lesson on my website.

the shuffle is where the feel sits. it governs bass placement and the lagging snare.
j

[dea]

Many of these videos are not that clear and do require a bit-more clarification.

Aside from that, I believe he did quite well. I like his open attitude, i.e. this is one way. The hat clarification was just caused since it is very important to understand that Bonham did not use the hat to drive the shuffle as hard as he did.

[Paul Quin]

I have watched some of this guy's lessons on youtube before. he seems like a very nice guy and he is to be commended for taking his time to contribute to the greater drumming community. It appears, however, as if he is catering to the beginner and/or to the hobbyist who wants to learn "songs" rather than spend the time to learn the mechanics which can then be applied to songs. There is, of course, nothing wrong with that, although following his approach may cause inflated egos among some!

The problem, however, is that while the finished product may sound passably like the original it is often incorrect and lacking in the fundamental skills that allowed the original player to actually come up with that part. I am much more in favor of teaching someone the techique and the mechanics prior to teaching songs and specific, more complex, grooves. And this IS a complicated groove.

In this example Nutha, has nailed the problem. The feel is all in the shuffle and without that feel this groove just doesn't groove. There is nothing wrong with isolating limbs to learn a part - but it works much better to play RF and LH and then LH and RH and then put it together. Each limb, however, should play its actual part not an approximation.

I guess this is a long winded way of saying that bfdrum86 played it better and Jason taught it better!

Paul

[dea]

...sorry, got interrupted and hit the submit accidently.

The bass drum seems to be the key to driving the shuffle this hard. That wonderful rolling bass drum feel is wonderful.

I thank the gentlemen who put this together. I appreciated the fact he was showing us as opposed to showing off. Kudos for that.

[Legacyrik]

there is a link on this site somewhere that has a real good run down of the song. One thing he pointed out was the hi-hat and making sure you hit on top of it with the tip on the "a's" and hitting with the shoulder of the stick on the 1, 2 3 and 4. So it goes

s = shoulder
t = tip

1 a2 a3 a4
s ts ts ts

[bfdrum86]

i posted a link of mine as well .. Please let me know what you think.. I believe this is close to what bonham plays .. but let me know if you think im missing something too.

mine- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgFDqogmF4

[beatsMcGee]

the cat from icanplaydrums.com does the best breakdown i have ever seen. that dude's an awesome teacher.

[NUTHA JASON]

bfdrum86i posted a link of mine as well .. Please let me know what you think.. I believe this is close to what bonham plays .. but let me know if you think im missing something too.

mine- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgFDqogmF4


i liked it. lovely feel. pity the sound was blaring but that's vid cams for you. well done mate.

i agree beatsmcgee, jack bennet is a great teacher. i've even linked to his explaination on my shuffle page: http://jasonhorsler.tripod.com/id64.html for those who want to see it.

j

[bfdrum86]

thank you , Your the first drummer to critique it so it's to finally hear someone with an ear for drumming tell me.

[Dibalo Jonze]

Sounds good bfdrum. The more you play along with this song, the deeper your groove will feel.

My question, since I love this song so much too, is WHY with all the posts and videos breaking the beat down, does nobody talk about the latter parts in the verses where Bonham switches to the ride?

I've always felt, and therefore play it as such, that his bass drum and snare are still playing the same parts on his variation of the half-time purdie shuffle, but the ride hand, instead of shuffling is playing every other triplet note (1 . let . trip . 3 . let . trip), while he plays 1/4 with LF on the high hat to keep that pulse going. Do others agree?

[mikei]

I loved your playing of this groove. Very solid.

I enjoy playing it as well, but do not play it as solid as you do.

You gave me some inspiration.

[bfdrum86]

Sounds good bfdrum. The more you play along with this song, the deeper your groove will feel.

My question, since I love this song so much too, is WHY with all the posts and videos breaking the beat down, does nobody talk about the latter parts in the verses where Bonham switches to the ride?

I've always felt, and therefore play it as such, that his bass drum and snare are still playing the same parts on his variation of the half-time purdie shuffle, but the ride hand, instead of shuffling is playing every other triplet note (1 . let . trip . 3 . let . trip), while he plays 1/4 with LF on the high hat to keep that pulse going. Do others agree?

funny you know.. this is my favorite bonham groove but i have never played it along to the song. I should , it would most certainly help me catch bonhams groove.
As far as the rest of the song , thats another great point . Ill get on top of that .

thanks, for the comment

[maddrummr]

Yes great groove. Who doesnt love to play it.

The instructional vid was nice but it did lack the aspect of the shuffle.

[bfdrum86]

ye to be honest.. i cant stand some of what is said in that instructional vid.

[JackBennett]

Hey Nutha, thanks for pointing to my vid on FITR - i've re filmed it from scratch with split screen and better sound, here it is: (verse only)

www.icanplaydrums.com/fool.wmv

its 40mb and quite detailed, but worth the wait i promise!

cheers, Jack