Sticking Concepts

[a1DrummerT]

Hey guys, I just watching a video on here about the concept of RRLRRLRL sticking pattern.

What book would you recommend that goes into detail about application of sticking patterns. I already have stick control...im looking for something that takes these and applies them to the set.

Thanks

T

[Styx]

Sticking Patterns by Gary Chaffee is a fantastic book covering multiple sticking patterns and ways to apply them to the kit.

Here's a link for the book and a bit of a read up on what it offers.

http://www.foreverdrumming.com/books/c.html

I'm sure it's just what you're looking for.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Styx

[JAM]

Hey guys, I just watching a video on here about the concept of RRLRRLRL sticking pattern.

What book would you recommend that goes into detail about application of sticking patterns. I already have stick control...im looking for something that takes these and applies them to the set.

Thanks

T
I encourage you to take Stick Control too and use your creative juices to come up with your own. This stimulates your creative energy and will help with creativity on the gig.

[thatoneguy]

The vid you watched wasn't Stanton Moore was it? He has a clip on here applying that sticking around the kit in different ways. Just try to be creative with anything you got goin and know it is easier than it appears. As is most things...

[jeffwj]

I just picked up a book/CD set by Casey Sheuerell entitled Stickings & Orchestrations for Drum Set. It seems to have what you are looking for. Here is a link.

http://www.amazon.com/Stickings-Orchestrations-Drum-Casey-Scheurell/dp/0876390521

Jeff

[kzdruma]

I'm not disagreeing with anybody but the RRLRRLRRL pattern works well with the swiss army triplet! Go creative with it? Why do you need a book?

We need an even balance of technique and style!

[Erik Lund]

If you have STICK CONTROL and you don't have any ideas about how to apply it to the set...

Come on man. Think for 10 seconds and then stop and think again for 5 more minutes. I'm sure you can come up with something. Why do you want to pay 15-20 more dollars for some jerk who took the Stick Control stickings and wrote out some lame exercises? Those books are for people who can't think for themselves. You gotta *want* to learn. You gotta *want* to expand your potential. Don't just pick up books that take exercises from other books and make them something to memorize.




That's the problem with a lot of drummers. They don't read the intros to these books! GL Stone and Joe Morello both say NOT to take the exercises as some musical line to use.


You should be focused on TECHNIQUE. That's the ability to play the drums. Then you should use that technique to convey the ideas/sounds you want to within the song you're playing. IT'S JUST LIKE A SAXOPHONE/TRUMPET/PIANO PLAYER. They learn "lines" in the scales - but if you hear a guy PLAYING those lines? that is BORING. I don't need to hear some meticulously practiced "indiana bebop" scale-influneced lines. That stuff will put you to sleep and drop jazz's CD sales from 1% to .00000002% No one wants to hear that stuff...and I don't want to hear RRLRRLRRLRRLRRLRRL if it doesn't make the music better. I don't care how many toms you throw at me.

[mr_hayward_99]

"Why do you want to pay 15-20 more dollars for some jerk who took the Stick Control stickings and wrote out some lame exercises"

last time i checked stick control did NOT contain stickings for odd note groups - like the chaffe book!!!!!!!

[Wavelength]

last time i checked stick control did NOT contain stickings for odd note groups - like the chaffe book!!!!!!!

Hmm. Take an eight note grouping. Toss one note out. Ooh, a sticking for a seven note group! Toss two more notes out. Ooh, a sticking for a five note group!

It's all there if you take the time to think things over. In fact, you don't need Stick Control per se, once you understand the basic concept. Anyone, I say again, anyone can come up with similar stickings (to any note groups) if they just grab themselves from the neck and get to work. Exercise books are great because they introduce new practice concepts, but you shouldn't forget those concepts when you move from one book to the next. It all applies to everything!

[Jeff Almeyda]

What one should realize is that for any note grouping, the number of permutations (stickings) possible is finite.

For example: in any three note group, there are only 8 possible stickings.

Here they are:

1. RRR
2. LRR
3. RLR
4. RRL
5. LLR
6. RLL
7. LRL
8. LLL

For 4 note groups there are only 16 possible permutations
for 5 note groups there are 32 possible
for 6 note groups there are 64 possible

starting to see a pattern?

Now combine two different 4 note patterns and you get a longer pattern.

You don't need anyone, just a little basic math. (or Mike Mangini's Rhythm Knowledge Vols 1 and 2)

[LinearDrummer]

If you have STICK CONTROL and you don't have any ideas about how to apply it to the set...

Come on man. Think for 10 seconds and then stop and think again for 5 more minutes. I'm sure you can come up with something. Why do you want to pay 15-20 more dollars for some jerk who took the Stick Control stickings and wrote out some lame exercises? Those books are for people who can't think for themselves. You gotta *want* to learn. You gotta *want* to expand your potential. Don't just pick up books that take exercises from other books and make them something to memorize.




Whats sooooo wrong about buying a book that shows you ways to apply stick control....
Sometimes one needs to see how someone interprets exercises to have the light bulb turn on....

The Casey Sheuerell and Chaffee books are excellent resources.....

[a1DrummerT]

I'm not disagreeing with anybody but the RRLRRLRRL pattern works well with the swiss army triplet! Go creative with it? Why do you need a book?

We need an even balance of technique and style!

one too many R's in there..RRLRRLRL

[a1DrummerT]

If you have STICK CONTROL and you don't have any ideas about how to apply it to the set...

Come on man. Think for 10 seconds and then stop and think again for 5 more minutes. I'm sure you can come up with something. Why do you want to pay 15-20 more dollars for some jerk who took the Stick Control stickings and wrote out some lame exercises? Those books are for people who can't think for themselves. You gotta *want* to learn. You gotta *want* to expand your potential. Don't just pick up books that take exercises from other books and make them something to memorize.




That's the problem with a lot of drummers. They don't read the intros to these books! GL Stone and Joe Morello both say NOT to take the exercises as some musical line to use.


You should be focused on TECHNIQUE. That's the ability to play the drums. Then you should use that technique to convey the ideas/sounds you want to within the song you're playing. IT'S JUST LIKE A SAXOPHONE/TRUMPET/PIANO PLAYER. They learn "lines" in the scales - but if you hear a guy PLAYING those lines? that is BORING. I don't need to hear some meticulously practiced "indiana bebop" scale-influneced lines. That stuff will put you to sleep and drop jazz's CD sales from 1% to .00000002% No one wants to hear that stuff...and I don't want to hear RRLRRLRRLRRLRRLRRL if it doesn't make the music better. I don't care how many toms you throw at me.

HAHA...i know everything you told me about how books are more than the notes on the page. i knew writing this post would make me seem inexperienced but i know more than i sound like.ha...and i never said i couldn't think of any...these books are ment to spark your creativity..you take them, twist them around..make the most of them..and then yes...it will be much easier to create your OWN grooves..i never said ANYTHING about memorization..

and trust me i know about wanting to learn buddy..im in college now and i only have access to a set on tuesday and thursday for practice...and weekends for recording

im sorry but that post made you sound like a wannabe dumbshit.at least to me.

[Bossa Nova]

If you have STICK CONTROL and you don't have any ideas about how to apply it to the set...

Come on man. Think for 10 seconds and then stop and think again for 5 more minutes. I'm sure you can come up with something. Why do you want to pay 15-20 more dollars for some jerk who took the Stick Control stickings and wrote out some lame exercises? Those books are for people who can't think for themselves. You gotta *want* to learn. You gotta *want* to expand your potential. Don't just pick up books that take exercises from other books and make them something to memorize.




That's the problem with a lot of drummers. They don't read the intros to these books! GL Stone and Joe Morello both say NOT to take the exercises as some musical line to use.


You should be focused on TECHNIQUE. That's the ability to play the drums. Then you should use that technique to convey the ideas/sounds you want to within the song you're playing. IT'S JUST LIKE A SAXOPHONE/TRUMPET/PIANO PLAYER. They learn "lines" in the scales - but if you hear a guy PLAYING those lines? that is BORING. I don't need to hear some meticulously practiced "indiana bebop" scale-influneced lines. That stuff will put you to sleep and drop jazz's CD sales from 1% to .00000002% No one wants to hear that stuff...and I don't want to hear RRLRRLRRLRRLRRLRRL if it doesn't make the music better. I don't care how many toms you throw at me.

Yeah, you're right, but I would take it one step further. I would argue that you shouldn't need to think at all. If you are playing Stick Control as much as you should be, the patterns will just flow out. Take your pattern RRLRRLRL, turn the metronome on to 120 bpms and just start playing it on the snare. Add a right foot to the first L, then switch and add one to the second L. Put the right foot on both of them and add an upbeat leftfoot hi-hat. Make it the downbeat. Use only the side of your floor tom and the snare with your hands.

If you sit and play Stick Control (which is about as boring as a pledge drive) your imagination will beg and plead with you to start moving the sorry patterns around the kit. Stick Control is soooo dull and that's why it's so great. If you are playing it enough, you can't help but spawn the creative juices needed to make the patterns into interesting music.

[samthebeat]

These lot should keep you busy for a while. I like parradidles me.

RRLR
LLRL
RLLR
LRRL
RLRR
LRLL

eg.

R L L R L L R L
R L L R L R L L
R L L R L R R L

HAVE FUN

[Joe P]

I really like the paradiddles combinations -- mastering paradiddle variations in moving them around the set can make endless possibilities!

Another thing you can do with the paradiddles:
-- Add in the kick drum in place of a note in the paradiddle (I.E. in place of one hand in the paradiddle, on the downbeat, etc.)
-- Piece together the different paradiddles, mills, and everything in between like a puzzle.
-- Accent odd places in the paradiddle (I.E. RLRR LRLL, RLRR LRLL, etc.) and mix those in differently!

Paradiddles are probably the most fun rudiment to play around with (Probably the most basic too - they're just singles and doubles!), expecially on the set. Get creative with your paradiddles and have fun with it!



EDIT: Ooh I just got another one

Paradiddle variations mixed in with RLL or LRR triplets. For example:
RLRR LRLL RRLR LRRL RLLRLL RLLRLL RLRR LRLL