World's Fastest Drummer contest at 2007 Summer NAMM?

[dbrddr]

Hi, my name's Daniel Rice, and this is my first post on here, so I'm sorry if this topic has been discussed before. Does anyone know yet definitively whether or not the WFD contest will be held at Summer NAMM in Austin, TX from July 27-29 of this year? I've heard about Boo McAfee's injury and the subsequent logistics problems (booking the actual event, etc.), and I sure hope everything turns out for the best. A good friend of mine has been touch with Boo and inquired as to the likelihood of there being a WFD contest this summer; Boo just said to "hang on," but that he was optimistic and guessed the chances were 60/40 in favor of being able to book the WFD event again for this summer's NAMM convention. This was about a week ago, and with the would-be preliminaries only a month away, my curiosity is turning into anxiety as I booked my plane ticket a couple months ago and wonder whether I should channel my time most efficiently into speed drumming or tackling head-on my summer reading list. I got 2nd at the 2006 Summer WFD competition, and I've heard there are some big names and fast hands preparing for this one, but I don't want my excitement to grow in vain-has anyone heard anything, preferably from a reliable source? In the meantime, I'll keep burning the fingers, hoping all the hours will be worth it.
Thanks!
Daniel

[Flamacue]

Is there not a web presance for this event?

[dbrddr]

Nope-nothing on extremesportdrumming.com or the NAMM 2007 Summer Session website.

[DamoSyzygy]

pm MattSmith. He should be able to give you more info.

[dbrddr]

I e-mailed Matt a few days ago and he hasn't heard anything either.
Just to clarify, I don't need info on WFD competitions in general. I'm not a newbie; I've been and comepted. I need to know if anyone knows whether or not the competition will be held despite all the setbacks and maybe if there's anyone else out there who's in the same position as me. I think it's odd that there's been no publicity whatsoever surrounding the event--not even an article on a single website. I sure hope this won't be the first time since the inception of WFD that there won't be a fastest hands competition at NAMM just when the cash and conditions are right for me to be able to make it out there and perform my best.

[tomgrosset]

I received an email from Boo this afternoon. He confirmed that the WFD competition is taking place.

[mattsmith]

Tom's right. Everything is now official for July 27-29. Apparently NAMM had new management and WFD had to renegotiate with the new crowd. So it took awhile. Everything just now got signed sealed and delivered. New publicity is coming immediately. I know that I will be there at the event doin' stuff with Mike Machine and Johnny Rabb. The hands competition should be great this time in Austin. Daniel is one of the top WFD competitors in the world not to have won yet, and there are some very positive rumors about the big progress made by Tom Grossett. I also hear that guy from Italy who did so well in Anaheim will be back again. 1000 should be topped several times. I haven't practiced this stuff in a while. Better get on it. Actually I would have answered this ealier but we just spent the last couple of days moving to Georgia and just got Internet set up.

See ya there.

[mattsmith]

Here is the new promo material for the Summer WFD Championships.

http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/previous/NAMM/summer07/summernamm07upcoming.htm

Competitors and spectators without NAMM passes are probably cool, because Austin WFD occurs in the lobby where a NAMM pass is not required. I know that some of the Drummerworld crowd are competing because you've told me about it. Usually for some reason the hands competition is rougher in the summer and the feet comp is monstrous at Winter NAMM. I haven't heard about any of the big guys competing on the double pedal, but that doesn't mean that won't be the case. I do know however that the hands comp is shaping up nicely with really strong guys. Come drop by to see Johnny Rabb, Mike and me before you go into the exhibition hall.

See you there,

Matt

[dbrddr]

If anyone's interested, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0i_iHP_TE is a video of me getting 1069 a couple days ago. That's not to say I haven't gotten higher, but it is the best I've recorded. After I was warm I had the idea of recording a run, so I'm sorry I couldn't get both me and the drumometer in the video, but I'll do that later. I remember watching Matt's videos last year and feeling particularly motivated, so I hope this and other videos will ultimately make the competition even more exciting. Best of luck to all!

[dbrddr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tdROLlFiQ = 1096.

I can't wait! :)

[Pearlrules]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tdROLlFiQ = 1096.

I can't wait! :)

Wow, thats fast!
For your next drumometer run, you should film the drumometer AND your hands too. That would be really cool to see. :)

All the best,
Jeff

[Deathmetalconga]

It would be cool to have a contest that measures the number of beats from the hands and feet. The winner would be the person who could pump out the most beats with all four limbs.

[dbrddr]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-YqfgZabaGc is me getting 1100. Way too much stopping and starting.. but I worked for 9 hours, and I was exhausted.

[mattsmith]

Well OK, I didn't want to make such a big deal of it until it was right up on us, but with WFD Summer World Finals a mere 8 days away I think it is probably fine to talk about if you're going or not, what are your runs looking like?... all of that. I will be there again doing announcing and ref stuff with Mike Machine and Johnny Rabb, who will be around I hear for the whole time. So for me, Johnny's participation for that long, will be cool in of itself, and Mike is pretty incredible. The WFD stuff will also be in the lobby of the Austin Convention Center, so you don't need a NAMM pass to see WFD. You just can't go to the exhibits.

Personally I don't know what I will be doing competition wise. I just started working on WFD last week after a several month layoff, and I'm in the middle of high school marching band camp which always wears you out. I'll be trying for some things, but I'm more interested in how you guys are doing in this just for fun contest, that is not music, does not define greatness, does not guarantee righteous groove, does not make you a youtube god, and most likely influences impressionable 8 year olds to play speed, speed, terrible, terrible speed, which in of itself is wrong, probably against several laws, and against all musicality.

Did I miss anything?

I have heard some incredible stories about what some of you are doing with the hand runs, and I've heard nothing at all about feet guys. Anybody here going?

[dbrddr]

I wish more people treated this as a just-for-fun contest. Anyway..

My high scores are 1100, 1100, 1101, and 1104. I'm still working some things up, and I'm dealing with a sort of handicap I'd rather not talk about on here, so there's a really good chance my scores won't be that high on Saturday or Sunday. Then again, they could be higher. I have no idea. I learned last year that how you do the week before means nothing :p

Best of luck to all! I promise I won't be an a-hole or give the cold shoulder to anyone at the competition. I just want some excitement! I've gotten 2nd place in more things than I care to talk about, so one more definitely can't kill me.

[dbrddr]

3 days till it all starts-I can't wait!

If anyone's going, feel free to PM me if you want to make an acquaintance beforehand. Safe traveling, everyone!

[tomgrosset]

Hey guys,

My scores have been hitting over the 1100 mark.

I'll be arriving in Austin around midnight. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone.

See you all there soon.

[dbrddr]

Oh yeah.. I'm flying in on Friday-only 1 day of prelims for me!

[tomgrosset]

I have just won the WFD competition! I managed to get 1194 single strokes in the preliminaries and 1156 in the finals! Daniel came in second in the finals with 1039 single strokes! Merlini Riccardo came in third with 1013 single strokes so there was definetely a lot of competition to deal with.

I had a great time meeting everyone who attended the competition and look forward to seeing you again.

Videos will be up soon...

Tom

[That Guy]

Thats awsome.. congrats Tom! I'll bet you are still living the moment. Congrats to all the other competitors also! I can't wait to see your vids Tom. And, all the others as well.

WFD BABY!!! I think this calls for a little special page or something here on DrummerWorld.

[Tutin]

Well done Tom! Nice one man. My record is 974 right now, but I haven't tried in a while. Apparently I qualify in Scotlands top ten fastest, so that's not all that bad eh?! heheh.

[caprisun3484]

I have just won the WFD competition! I managed to get 1194 single strokes in the preliminaries and 1156 in the finals! Daniel came in second in the finals with 1039 single strokes! Merlini Riccardo came in third with 1013 single strokes so there was definetely a lot of competition to deal with.

I had a great time meeting everyone who attended the competition and look forward to seeing you again.

Videos will be up soon...

Tom

way to go man congrats

[Tim Waterson]

I have just won the WFD competition! I managed to get 1194 single strokes in the preliminaries and 1156 in the finals! Daniel came in second in the finals with 1039 single strokes! Merlini Riccardo came in third with 1013 single strokes so there was definetely a lot of competition to deal with.

I had a great time meeting everyone who attended the competition and look forward to seeing you again.

Videos will be up soon...

Tom
Tom congrats Another CANADIAN kickin ass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I told you you would do well.
Ps that 1156 is the highest score EVER in a contest
Tim

[dbrddr]

Oh my lord.. please, no one EVER trash-talk Tom. Great guy, such a workhorse, and very funny. He went up there time after time one Friday and Saturday and pumped out anywhere from 1160-1194 CONSISTENTLY. It got to the point where I would delete a run of 1170 because I had like 5 higher runs of his already on my camera. And I got both his 1194 and Sunday's 1156 on video :) I managed to get 1108 in the prelims, but I was aiming for second all weekend anyway. It's never been that fun to lose.. what a show!

[figure_02]

What about the feet?

[dbrddr]

Matt McKasty won feet with 907. 2nd place was 842, I think.

[dbrddr]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JaAWG_U-Q-s is a shot of the Drumometer when Tom busted out his 1194. I'll be putting some more vids up soon (my 1108 and both of our finals runs).

[mattsmith]

Hey Everybody.

I just pulled into the driveway a half hour ago. As always I had a fun time at NAMM. But it was especially fun this time because it was great hanging out with Daniel and Tom. We did a lot of stuff, met a lot of people and heard some good sounds and you guys can really play the pad.

But most of all I want to congratulate Tom Grosset for that fantastic effort he put out at WFD. If I'm going to lose my 16 and under record to anybody I'm glad it was you. You were on fire all weekend and the young guys now pretty much rule WFD hands. Also Tom can take the crap now from the evil Internet people/ kidding/.

Since people are talking about their videos, my 5 minute endurance world record was filmed and that will show up sometime. So right now the new record is officially 5132 for 5 consecutive minutes. And the run was cleaner than that 5180 I put up on youtube a while back, so I didn't walk away from NAMM empty handed.

BTW, Tom got a better winner's package than I got! (lol)

Congatulations to everybody. Tom was the definately the man. Daniel too.

-Matt

[tomgrosset]

Thanks for all the comments everyone. I just got back after a long day of flying. It took about 8 flight changes in total to get there and back so I'm pretty exhausted.

First off, I'd like to say that Daniel is a great guy and is really cool to hang out with. He showed me a few things when it came to all that impressive marching band stuff he does.
This is him busting out 1108 single strokes. I wasn't around when this happened so I'm glad he put this video up. I seriously think Daniel should compete again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqzHYsAtRo
I also thought that Daniel could beat Riccardo in the finals, because I had a feeling Riccardo was gonna choke after seeing these two young kids goin' at it. I knew you could do it man.

If your interested, check out this run that me, Matt, and Daniel do. I couldn't stop laughing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_qD6D6XiY

Furthermore, me and Matt definetely got along well. He's certainly cool and is very down to earth. Matt has got some crazy endurance and some sick traditional grip that I still have trouble understanding. I'm looking forward to seeing the 5 minute video, because I wasn't there when that happened either.

But yeah, I have to say those were some good times. I hope we meet up again sometime guys and I'm sure we will.

BTW, I'll try and get some WFD footage onto YouTube when I have the time.

Peace, Tom.

[jazzin']

Well done Tom! Great stuff to hear. Also to Daniel for the second place. I can imagine all the records being taken over by guys under 20 soon. 1194! Look out Mangini!

[mattsmith]

First off, I'd like to say that Daniel is a great guy and is really cool to hang out with. He showed me a few things when it came to all that impressive marching band stuff he does.
This is him busting out 1108 single strokes. I wasn't around when this happened so I'm glad he put this video up. I seriously think Daniel should compete again.


I agree, Daniel Rice is one of the greatest speed drummers ever and is the best guy not to have won the contest yet. Only 7 people out of tens of thousands have scored over 1100 and Daniel is one of them. He was by far my greatest competition last year and I felt really lucky to win. A lot of people claim that the only people who compete in WFD are average players but that's not true at all. Riccardo Merlini for instance is a big star in Italy and scary fast as all of the competitors in the top rung have been. Those who have thought this contest was nothing much then found out quick. It's a very specific raw skill and even big players would have to take it seriously to win. I feel that Daniel will win the next one for sure.

I'm just glad I don't compete any more because everybody is getting better and better.

Well I'm out of this thread. I want Tom and Daniel to have the spotlight.

[Jeff Almeyda]

Congrats to Tom and Daniel. You guys are amazing!

WFD guys remind me of powerlifters. Some guy in the gym thinks he's strong if he can bench press 300 lbs and then some other walks up and does 500 with no warm up. That's how it feels to be compared to these guys.

There's fast and then there's WFD fast.

[tomgrosset]

I uploaded some videos...

1156 single strokes in 1 minute. This was my second run during the first preliminary day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yha3J9wlU-U

1186 single strokes in 1 minute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egID8WnPvaI

1156 single strokes during the finals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9dLZ42S3aU

[tomgrosset]

Just so everyone knows, there's a logical explanation why I was hitting those ridiculously high scores.

First of all, I've learned to incorporate the pillow as part of my practice routine and it's certainly helped me a great deal.

In addition, my drumometer pad started to disintegrate after four months, and the foam inside began to move to the outer edge thus the middle part had no foam covering it, so it was like I was hitting metal. Consequently, the practice pad that was disintegrating was not reflecting my actual score. Once I was up on the WFD stage, I managed to get 1098 on my first run and I was barely even warmed up. Later that day, I was doing at least 20-30 runs because Mike Mallais was convinced that I could pass the 1200 mark seeing how I was getting 620 in the first 30 seconds in each of my runs. After doing numerous runs in front of everyone, I compared my pad with a newer pad, it was quite obvious that my score was quite a bit higher, because the rebound was practically non existent on my year old pad.

Another significant factor is that I've always been punctilious with my practice routine. I practice my rudiments at a extremely slow tempo and I try to keep my stick height and grip position as accurate and consistent as possible.

I strongly recommend to everyone that you do not spend more than 1-2 hours on your fundamentals since it's all about the quality and not the quantity.

[Jeff Almeyda]

Just so everyone knows, there's a logical explanation why I was hitting those ridiculously high scores.

First of all, I've learned to incorporate the pillow as part of my practice routine and it's certainly helped me a great deal.

.

You've got to tell us more. How often and for how long? Details, please.

[dbrddr]

And to all speed drumming aspirants, Tom's method is the way to go: it's much better to spend the better part of a year making yourself do the exact same thing fast as you do slow rather than developing some inexplicable finger twitch that leaves your scores up to the whims of tricep soreness and that can even cause nerve damage. Here's a story to illustrate Tom's consistency. He used his own pad (the one with no foam) to warm up with on Sunday since that was all he had, and he played on it with these aluminum sticks called wrist builders. My pad was freed up only when it came time to do my run on stage (I was 3rd to last), and Tom had time to do maybe 1 run on a pad with the same feel before he did his official run and still pulled off 1156. Nothing fazes him.. seriously.

[tomgrosset]

You've got to tell us more. How often and for how long? Details, please.

Well, I would use the pillow sometimes but I use the pad a lot more, because I think it's important to get used to the feeling of the pad. For example, if I'm practicing my rudiments for an hour, I would probably use the pillow for 20 minutes and then use the rest of time on the pad.

I was having a nice conversation with Eric Okamato and we discussed everything there is about technique and he told me that guys like Jotan use the pillow as well.

You know, I think it's funny when I see so many guys disrespect the whole pillow concept when actually it can be very beneficial for your technique. I think those kind of people need to experiment more.

Thanks for the kind words Daniel.

[Tutin]

What are these wrist builder sticks? I use Ahead 5B's for practice usually, are they much different?

[Jeff Almeyda]

And to all speed drumming aspirants, Tom's method is the way to go: it's much better to spend the better part of a year making yourself do the exact same thing fast as you do slow rather than developing some inexplicable finger twitch that leaves your scores up to the whims of tricep soreness and that can even cause nerve damage.

I understand that you are psyched about the recent contest but don't talk smack about Mangini. His method does NOT cause nerve damage and if you look at his hands they have no callouses. Mike can do things on the drumkit that would terrify you so please, relax with your criticisms. If you believe that Tom's method is better, fine but don't talk negatively about the "king of the hill" without having some real facts behind you.

[dbrddr]

Jeff,
Relax. I wasn't talking smack about Mangini. I was referring to myself. I didn't have the consistency and endurance Tom did because I never took the time to develop it. I rode to the results on the finger twitches I was talking about, and that technique put my left wrist at an extremely awkward angle and did cause some minor nerve damage. Almost all of the feeling in the tips of my fingers has returned. I respect Mangini totally, but I have every right to warn future speed drummers to do their best to avoid carpal tunnel, something that I've been struggling with day in and day out for about a month now.

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

[Jeff Almeyda]

Jeff,
Relax. I wasn't talking smack about Mangini. I was referring to myself. I didn't have the consistency and endurance Tom did because I never took the time to develop it. I rode to the results on the finger twitches I was talking about, and that technique put my left wrist at an extremely awkward angle and did cause some minor nerve damage. Almost all of the feeling in the tips of my fingers has returned. I respect Mangini totally, but I have every right to warn future speed drummers to do their best to avoid carpal tunnel, something that I've been struggling with day in and day out for about a month now.

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

Oh, I'm sorry as well. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions but I've heard so much crap about the "twitch" that I guess I'm hyper-sensitive.

I'm also sorry to hear about your carpal tunnel. How long have you been rehabbing it? Make sure to fully complete the rehab. You have an incredible ability and you don't want to risk losing it.

Funny thing is: I was with Mike today for a few hours and we watched Tom's winning performance. Mike was impressed. You guys are definitely making waves.

Mike's actually looking at breaking 1200 with trad and bare hands now. While we were working on my twitch he played 300 BPM 16ths with his bare hands on his chest like Tarzan on speed. He also did it on the table top. Just sick, man.

[Tutin]

Mike's actually looking at breaking 1200 with trad and bare hands now. While we were working on my twitch he played 300 BPM 16ths with his bare hands on his chest like Tarzan on speed. He also did it on the table top. Just sick, man.

For gods sake, the guy is a machine! Send my wows! heheh

[Lance69]

Wow! Thats excellent Tom! You'll be able to break 1200 in NO time!

[Lance69]

I found a video of Matt McKasty winning the the "Battle of the feet" division.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iJrA5BQtf4A

[xdoseonex]

yeah i just posted that video recently. they just sent me my axis pedals, i'm amped

[dbrddr]

now someone just needs to get them to update the dang rankings! ^_^

[voldak]

After reading all of these posts, I have made up my mind. I'm buying a drumometer. I've been told I have really fast singles, but I need to see how good I can do over a full minute :)

[Tutin]

After reading all of these posts, I have made up my mind. I'm buying a drumometer. I've been told I have really fast singles, but I need to see how good I can do over a full minute :)

Hah, be prepared for a major shock man. I thought I could break 1000 from using a metronome on a pad at 250bpm. Got on to the drumometer pad (which is bloody humbling) and I barely made it over 800.

Nowadays I can hit over 900 most times, but still trying to break 1000.

[voldak]

Hah, be prepared for a major shock man. I thought I could break 1000 from using a metronome on a pad at 250bpm. Got on to the drumometer pad (which is bloody humbling) and I barely made it over 800.

That's one reason why I really need to get one and practice on it. I know it's going to feel a lot different than my crappy drumpad. And when I say I have fast singles, I am nowhere near competition level. But, i'm going to work on it and at least try to go next year. It will be fun.

[Slazaar]

And to all speed drumming aspirants, Tom's method is the way to go: it's much better to spend the better part of a year making yourself do the exact same thing fast as you do slow rather than developing some inexplicable finger twitch that leaves your scores up to the whims of tricep soreness and that can even cause nerve damage. Here's a story to illustrate Tom's consistency. He used his own pad (the one with no foam) to warm up with on Sunday since that was all he had, and he played on it with these aluminum sticks called wrist builders. My pad was freed up only when it came time to do my run on stage (I was 3rd to last), and Tom had time to do maybe 1 run on a pad with the same feel before he did his official run and still pulled off 1156. Nothing fazes him.. seriously.

wrist builders? never heard of those before, they expensive and worth buying?

[voldak]

wrist builders? never heard of those before, they expensive and worth buying?

Here is the site for them:

http://www.musicianswarehouse.com/power/index.shtml

I've heard great things about them (as long as you use them in moderation). It's like strength training for your wrist/hands/fingers. They are pretty costly, but I would consider them worth it.

[mattsmith]

Here is the site for them:

http://www.musicianswarehouse.com/power/index.shtml

I've heard great things about them (as long as you use them in moderation). It's like strength training for your wrist/hands/fingers. They are pretty costly, but I would consider them worth it.

I just started endorsing those wrist builders and I think they work pretty well for what they're made to do and they feel good in your hands. But I agree. Don't over do them past the warmup.

[tomgrosset]

Hah, be prepared for a major shock man. I thought I could break 1000 from using a metronome on a pad at 250bpm. Got on to the drumometer pad (which is bloody humbling) and I barely made it over 800.

Nowadays I can hit over 900 most times, but still trying to break 1000.

You're definitely right about this Tutin.

The drumometer is the most accurate tool out there.

Another thing people better be prepared for is the WFD finals. If you do compete, and manage to become one of the top 10 finalists, you'll be expected to compete in the final championship round. But what people don't realize is that it's a totally different element when you get up there. Don't be surprised if you lose around 80 strokes or more unless you can keep it real steady.

The way to prepare for this is getting used to performing in front of an audience. I did a drumometer run in front of my school twice and I did it several times on the radio/TV and I got used to being put on the spot. Each time I performed in front of a crowd, I gradually got use to it and so I was confident that I would do well in Austin and I did. My score in the final championship round was 1156 single strokes and that score is officially the highest score that's ever been recorded during the finals.

[Jeff Almeyda]

Hah, be prepared for a major shock man. I thought I could break 1000 from using a metronome on a pad at 250bpm. Got on to the drumometer pad (which is bloody humbling) and I barely made it over 800.

Nowadays I can hit over 900 most times, but still trying to break 1000.

I hear you, I'm not consistently over even 900 yet but everyone tells me I'm fast. It's the last 20 seconds of the minute run that are the death. I just wish I had the time...

What one needs to realize is just how fast 1000 strokes is. Weckl couldn't crack 900 after numerous attempts and people buy his technique vids.

[Tim Waterson]

wrist builders? never heard of those before, they expensive and worth buying?
I posted a video abour PWB here


http://youtube.com/watch?v=hv0SSvJsvac
Tim

[dbrddr]

I won a pair of those wrist builders at NAMM. I guess 2nd place does have its perks! Anyway, I really like them, and Tim's right about how they cut your practice time in half or whatever, which is extremely useful for a college student such as myself who has very little alone and/or free time to practice in the room.

Anyway, I've been at it lately getting fast the way I really needed to to prevent nerve damage (using fingers, wrists, and various muscles in tandem). And let me tell you, it's much more difficult to develop than the ethereal yet altogether harmful twitch I was using. I guess you could say I was "faking it." I was struggling even to break 900 last week, but I got up to 967 or so a couple times today, and I'm keeping the same pace for the entire minute (for once!). Speed drumming with this technique is something completely foreign to me, but it's the only way I'll be able to do it for as long as I want to. I also did a single run using my old technique and got 1066 on the first try, but my fingers started feeling a bit numb. Despite its advantage scorewise, it's now obvious to me that any technique that impairs the sensation of human limbs like that IS NOT WORTH IT. Those power wrist builders are really helping my scores shoot up quickly, and I'm using the exact same technique fast as I am slow. It's something I've always wanted to do but never really had time to develop.

And in case anyone's interested, I put up another video where all of are playing on the same pad: http://www.youtube.com/v/V90BVSJ3BeE We got up to 984, this time! :)

[Slazaar]

I won a pair of those wrist builders at NAMM. I guess 2nd place does have its perks! Anyway, I really like them, and Tim's right about how they cut your practice time in half or whatever, which is extremely useful for a college student such as myself who has very little alone and/or free time to practice in the room.

Anyway, I've been at it lately getting fast the way I really needed to to prevent nerve damage (using fingers, wrists, and various muscles in tandem). And let me tell you, it's much more difficult to develop than the ethereal yet altogether harmful twitch I was using. I guess you could say I was "faking it." I was struggling even to break 900 last week, but I got up to 967 or so a couple times today, and I'm keeping the same pace for the entire minute (for once!). Speed drumming with this technique is something completely foreign to me, but it's the only way I'll be able to do it for as long as I want to. I also did a single run using my old technique and got 1066 on the first try, but my fingers started feeling a bit numb. Despite its advantage scorewise, it's now obvious to me that any technique that impairs the sensation of human limbs like that IS NOT WORTH IT. Those power wrist builders are really helping my scores shoot up quickly, and I'm using the exact same technique fast as I am slow. It's something I've always wanted to do but never really had time to develop.

And in case anyone's interested, I put up another video where all of are playing on the same pad: http://www.youtube.com/v/V90BVSJ3BeE We got up to 984, this time! :)

sweeeet..im a college student too, looks like i'll have to start saving cash for those..kinda hard to find in these parts though

[tomgrosset]

And in case anyone's interested, I put up another video where all of are playing on the same pad: http://www.youtube.com/v/V90BVSJ3BeE We got up to 984, this time! :)

I agree. Those wrist builders really do make a difference.

BTW, that video was hilarious! Push it! (lol) Good times.

Thanks for putting the video up Daniel.

[Jeff Almeyda]

I agree. Those wrist builders really do make a difference.

BTW, that video was hilarious! Push it! (lol) Good times.

Thanks for putting the video up Daniel.

What size do you WFD guys use?

[Tutin]

You're definitely right about this Tutin.

My Physics teacher actually thinks he can beat Mike...

Now, he's a fast guy, but I want to see him on the drumometer haha! The look will be priceless.

[tomgrosset]

What size do you WFD guys use?

I use the red PWB6-170 sticks.

BTW, I don't use these sticks as part of my practice routine. I generally use them for warming up.

[dbrddr]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBr9JwGtRs
some Chinese kid hitting 1162.. wow!

[Tutin]

Nice, he looks so controlled as well.

[slingerland755]

Nice technique! Time to get busy.

[huntsman0603]

Tom's technique really has me puzzled. It looks like he's only using his wrists, but what exactly is he doing?

[Tutin]

Tom's technique really has me puzzled. It looks like he's only using his wrists, but what exactly is he doing?

Welcome to drummerworld!

I think Tom just uses finger technique if I remember correctly.

[tomgrosset]

Welcome to drummerworld!

I think Tom just uses finger technique if I remember correctly.

I use a combination of wrists and fingers.

[Tutin]

I use a combination of wrists and fingers.

I stand corrected. Thanks Tom.

What sort of combination are we talking? Alternating when one gets tired or both at once?

[tomgrosset]

I stand corrected. Thanks Tom.

What sort of combination are we talking? Alternating when one gets tired or both at once?

I use both my wrists and fingers at all times. Basically, my wrists produce the stroke and the fingers give the control.

[Tutin]

I use both my wrists and fingers at all times. Basically, my wrists produce the stroke and the fingers give the control.
That's pretty interesting, seeing as a lot of the WFD guys say to use your fingers and make sure the wrists stay completely still. I guess you're in the position to tell them to shut up haha, so I'll assume you're right.