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They're you go
22" x 16" x 9/16" - 22" x 8" x 9/16" (woofer) - 16" x 13" x 1/2" - 14" x 12" x 7/16" - 12" x 9" x 3/8" - 10" x 8" x 3/8" - 8" x 7" x 3/8" all maple shells. I know the wood is ugly but this kit is for me and was for test. I keep all the good wood for you guys. oh another thing...
I didn't pay that wood, lol... Add it for free, so dont be too hard...
we will now producing shell from 8" to 24"
KCMcC
06-23-2007, 02:45 PM
I think the wood looks great, with the right stain, and right finish, all those irregularities, are just gonna come out as a really complex deep look.
And I've seen your other stuff, so "right stain, and right finish" goes without saying!
drumbandit
06-23-2007, 02:56 PM
That kit is gonna be beast !! I always look for woofers on ebay but never find them, what finish/hardware are you gonna use?
Tom
konaboy
06-23-2007, 03:04 PM
Very cool, yeah I'm really excited to see what finish you put on there, is it going to be the color of the one in the first pic on the right? How long has it taken from first cut to now?? What's left besides finish and bearing edges?
so far it been 12 hres or so...
fijjibo
06-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Awesome!!!!
What exact effect will the woofer have?
Looks good, can't wait to see your progress. I think with a good finish the wood will turn out looking great.
Deathmetalconga
06-24-2007, 03:52 AM
Outrageous! I'd love to see mass production levels applied to stave and solid shell drums. That would really shake up the industry since Krupa developed the modern set as we know it in the 1930s.
Unix, is it possible to mass-produce staves and solid shells, or will they forever remain labor-intensive custom drums?
of course if I had orders I would be able to produce up to 500 kit a year.
It is now ready for the stain and finishing. I did the bearing edges and the final sanding. Tomorrow I'll start the stain and sealer.
DogBreath
06-27-2007, 06:45 AM
Wow, beautiful. I wish I could afford to order a set.
oh but you can I'm way less expensive then dw or so... lol.
pcmckay
06-27-2007, 06:54 AM
Very nice drums! Great job. If you don't mind me asking but what degree angle did you use to cut the staves and the bearing edge?
Double 45 for the bearing edge and the stave angle are from 18 deg. to 9.
Will you post close up pictures of your bering edges?
Here is the 5 finishing step so far:
1-base color orange
1-fade darker orange in the middle
1- fade brown on side
1-black fade on the edge
1-sealer coats
And no I didn't mist my edge on the little one there is some masking tape.
somedrummer
06-28-2007, 06:46 AM
Here is the 5 finishing step so far:
1-base color orange
1-fade darker orange in the middle
1- fade brown on side
1-black fade on the edge
1-sealer coats
And no I didn't mist my edge on the little one there is some masking tape.
BEAUTIFUL! That is such a great looking set, and I'm sure it'll sound even better.
So, with hardware, what would a set like that go for?
Black chrome all arround.
somedrummer
06-28-2007, 07:42 AM
Sorry, I was wondering how much would it cost to someone?
8-10-12-14-16-22 would be arround 2500.00$
Porker69
06-28-2007, 08:47 AM
Wow man, simply gorgeous and your not even done yet.
How much would a set like that cost, but with 12x8 and 14x14 toms and 18x14 bass cost?
katman
06-28-2007, 09:17 AM
When you're done, this is probably going to be the best set of drums on the forum. I loved this fade/burst finish on your snare and it's going to look amazing on the full kit.
Are you finishing the bass drum woofer in the same fade?
konaboy
06-28-2007, 02:43 PM
That looks awesome!!!, can't wait to see pics with the hardware on, not to mention some sound files ;-)
Great Job!!!!!
crazyhorse
06-28-2007, 02:56 PM
Outrageous! I'd love to see mass production levels applied to stave and solid shell drums. That would really shake up the industry since Krupa developed the modern set as we know it in the 1930s.
Unix, is it possible to mass-produce staves and solid shells, or will they forever remain labor-intensive custom drums?
Conga: I guess you didn't get the memo... Unix here is actually french canadian cyborg capable of producing drums at speeds that defy imagination. I believe he did that entire kit in about 2.5hours as car as cutting and gluing... Obviously, not human.
Wavelength
06-28-2007, 03:12 PM
Unix here is actually a French Canadian cyborg.
Glad he's not Austrian American!
I'll be back... to get my coat.
Ironcobra
06-28-2007, 04:53 PM
Simply gorgeous, can't wait to see the finished product.
Deathmetalconga
06-28-2007, 09:36 PM
The shells are beautiful, but I'm a bit disapprointed. From the photos, it looks like any other plywood drum. Maybe it looks different in person and you can see the staves more. Or maybe you didn't want to highlight the staves, but I was hoping the finish would accentuate the stave construction.
Beleive me if you dont see the stave it's the best compliment you can give me.
I'm drooling... I wanna learn how to do that.
hateplow
06-28-2007, 11:18 PM
Absolutely stunning work. Do you use flanged or die-cast hoops?
KCMcC
06-29-2007, 04:11 AM
Beleive me if you dont see the stave it's the best compliment you can give me.
It's a great compliment to the quality of your work as a woodworker, but I will say that alot of people that want stave drums - also want people to be able to "see" that it's a stave drum, both because it's an indicator that "hey I've got stave drums", and because it's a different and unique look that sets them apart from other drums (notice that alot of people get them in satin or matte finishes).
So my compliments to your incredible work sanding and finishing, but on some other drums definitely let the stave construction show through as well (which I think I've seen you do).
crazyhorse
06-29-2007, 04:36 AM
The heck we do... I LOVE showing people my stave drum and them not knowing it's a stave drum. Shows how much attention he pays to details like bookmatching, etc. Wait till you guys see the finished pictures he took after the clear... GORGEOUS
Very king of you Pierric...
WOOHOOO clear coat finish...
I've been a woodworker for the past 17 years and that's by far the nicest thing I ever done. I'm freacking proud of me. Doing snare is something, but a full kit it's another story. My arm are dead after 14 different step.
I'm in love with those colors, the pics dont do justice to the color.
drumbuddy105133
06-29-2007, 05:23 AM
dang, those shells look beautiful. What hardware do you use on them?
You know guys, I dont agree with you on these points, I talked with Ray Ayotte couple weeks ago and we kinda agree to the fact that stave are too ofen seen as marginal because of their look.
One key to succeed in stave shell making is being able to achieve a modern and spectacular look and traditionnal too, so that's why i build it in maple. You know, it's very very easy to do a mat or a satin finish, and I totally agree with you that when you pay for Bubinga or Zebrawood, you kinda want it to show. I wanted to do something that was going to need all my skill to succeed.
It's not the people already sold to the stave that I want to catch with that finish, it's the people that do not beleive that stave are not only amasing by their tonal sound but they also can be colored and spectacular.
Beleive me in person it still look like stave, I just think it's time to bring the stave shell to the next level.
Wow, those look amazing. You did a great job on that finish. As far as finishing staves to not look like staves goes, I think both methods can look great. It's all personal preference.
Ironcobra
06-29-2007, 03:12 PM
Awesome stuff, I would cry if I sold them.
hawk9290
06-30-2007, 06:46 PM
You know guys, I dont agree with you on these points, I talked with Ray Ayotte couple weeks ago and we kinda agree to the fact that stave are too ofen seen as marginal because of their look.
Hmm, is this the beginning of Ray Ayotte's new drum venture then??? Seriously though, anyone know what he's up to now?
I agree with you though, making a stave shell look as good or better than a ply shell for a competitive price and killer sound is going to bring more customers than just making drum after drum after drum emphasizing the staves. Sure I would like having a bubinga stave kit with the staves clearly shown, but I would absolutley kill to get a kit like the one in this thread. You have to consider, how many people are really going to look at your kit on stage from and say "oh thats a stave kit and not a ply kit" just by looking at it. Most drummers couldn't even tell you the difference unless they were sitting 2 feet from it. I want the finish that is going to look most pleasing to me, because no one else is really going to care if they see the vertical staves or not, they just want the kit to look good, so theres no reason not to make the kit have a more smooth shell appearance (especially since ply kits are so desired)
Deathmetalconga
07-01-2007, 07:08 PM
You know guys, I dont agree with you on these points, I talked with Ray Ayotte couple weeks ago and we kinda agree to the fact that stave are too ofen seen as marginal because of their look.
One key to succeed in stave shell making is being able to achieve a modern and spectacular look and traditionnal too, so that's why i build it in maple. You know, it's very very easy to do a mat or a satin finish, and I totally agree with you that when you pay for Bubinga or Zebrawood, you kinda want it to show. I wanted to do something that was going to need all my skill to succeed.
It's not the people already sold to the stave that I want to catch with that finish, it's the people that do not beleive that stave are not only amasing by their tonal sound but they also can be colored and spectacular.
Beleive me in person it still look like stave, I just think it's time to bring the stave shell to the next level.
I looked at the pictures of the final finish and you can definitely tell it's stave, but it's subtle. I was thinking of the drums where each stave has an alternating finish or wood and it screams "STAVE." While I like that, I can also appreciate the more subtle approach. It's like the drums have a surprise for you when you get close enough and make an effort to appreciate their beauty.
I think hawk9290 has a good perspective on this. Many drummers might not want a strong stave appearance, but they want the sound qualities of stave. Heck, why not even wrap staves?
Yeah well my drum show is saturday and I didnt like the fist paint job or I redone all the fade. This time it turn out better. So it's finally done and ready for the hardware.
The blue Birdeyes Maple snare will go with that kit.
sacco
11-05-2007, 11:43 PM
Nice, nice, nice!
A couple of questions:
are the staves just glued together or did you use a kind of "male / female" system (this is a free translation from Italian: I don't know if there is a similar expression in English)?
how did you get the internal side so perfectly round?
I really wait to see the final product!
bojangleman
11-05-2007, 11:55 PM
wow that is a beautiful kit Unix! i hardly noticed it was stave, and then i thought to myself "that is all he builds" and i looked harder and saw it, but at first...i couldnt tell. and the paint job is once agian beautiful! you are awesome at that stuff..haha
Alex
driver
11-06-2007, 02:04 AM
Really good really classy kit. Id love to see a pic with the hardware and skins when its all done. Nice work unix!
zambizzi
11-08-2007, 01:25 AM
Oh...my...so beautiful. You're a master craftsman.
I can't wait until I can order one for myself ;)
drumr0
11-10-2007, 04:54 PM
That is an absolutely stunning kit!! I don't know anything about wood working but find it interesting that you are drilling hardware holes in the shells after finishing it rather than before.
It seems like it would be hard to protect the finish while doing the drilling.
crazyhorse
11-10-2007, 05:03 PM
I'll answer for him since he's at a drum show this weekend...
The staves are glued together... a male/female setup really doesn't give you any benefits since the glue is the strongest point of the shell anyways.
As for drilling after finishing... it's much easier to do it that way so you don't have to worry about masking off the holes. Just don't be careless with the bit and you won't scratch anything. =)
frank0072
11-10-2007, 11:41 PM
WOOOW, this finish is really great man. Do you ship to the Netherlands? If so, I want to order one. I would like to see it finished by 2014, because then I'll have the cash..
Seriously man, don't put any more pictures online, you so make me want to have that set...
punkdrummer1
11-11-2007, 12:12 AM
woah. What an amazing looking (and must be sounding :p) kit! I am getting all excited just looking at the pics :D
drumr0
11-11-2007, 12:42 AM
I'll answer for him since he's at a drum show this weekend.
As for drilling after finishing... it's much easier to do it that way so you don't have to worry about masking off the holes. Just don't be careless with the bit and you won't scratch anything. =)
Thanks crazyhorse, that does make sense.
rmandelbaum
11-11-2007, 12:54 AM
Awesome work!!
I can wait to see them with hardware. Keep the pics coming!!!
Drummer30
11-11-2007, 06:31 AM
Beautiful drums there Unix, they must look jaw dropping with the hardware. Be sure to post some pics of the show if you have them!
Finally the kit in all it's glory.
drumr0
11-12-2007, 08:00 PM
Unix, those are drop dead gorgeous, That's some very fine craftsmanship. It's fun seeing a kit being built from start to finish. Once again...Excellent work!!
crazyhorse
11-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Waiting for DMC to see these... lol
Deathmetalconga
11-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Waiting for DMC to see these... lol
HAHA here I am.
WOW! I've been drooling over Unix's snares and shells and this is the first I've seen of a finished kit of his. Really, really nice. The drums somehow seem more "substantial" and solid than a ply kit. It's a subtle thing and maybe it's because the clear heads allow us to see the slightly thicker shell. But the kit seems to radiate power and energy. Excellent work.
Steady Freddy
11-13-2007, 01:24 AM
That kit is nothing short of spectacular.You did an incresible job on those!
Awesome.
It sound like dynamite, nothing close to what ever I had before ( and I had real good drums).
I received a lot of good feedback on ther Montreal Drumfest this weekend. And guess what? I'm sending M. Will Calhoun a chessboard snare.
razorx
11-13-2007, 03:45 AM
That is very nice! How much would that entire kit cost if a person ordered it?
Between $3500.00 and $3800.00 depends on the finish, this one have 4 different color (the pics dont give justice to the thing), ask anyone who have seen it in person.
shuffle
11-13-2007, 04:15 AM
this one have 4 different color (the pics dont give justice to the thing), ask anyone who have seen it in person.
It's very true. Much nicer in person than on the pictures. The fade seems much more radical on the pics than it really is.
And it gets even better when you hear it.
Congrats on that order from Will Calhoun, François. So glad for you.
katman
11-13-2007, 08:41 AM
Wow! That kit looks incredible. Seeing it from start to finish makes it even more special. I can only imagine how good it must sound. Congratulations on a truly fine piece of work.
aydee
11-13-2007, 02:51 PM
You, Sir are the Michaelangelo of drum building. Congratulations on your masterpiece!
EDrums
09-13-2008, 06:31 PM
Unix,
How about posting a sound-byte ? Those things are gorgeous !!! I do have a question though about the construction, I read that they are glued together as opposed to a tung and grove type of system, any concerns in a high humidity area such as florida?
crazyhorse
09-13-2008, 07:10 PM
Edrums: The glue is the strongest part of the shell... You don't need to put any grooves, etc in it for strength. I've built a number of Francois shells into drums here in NC where it's not all that less humid. ;)
Francois is using VERY stable wood for his stuff so it's as solid as you're going to get with real wood. They're going to adjust to humidity a bit but I doubt you'd have any real problems with them.
Andddddddddd ,
I use water proof glue.
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