Bass Drum Secrets

[Finaer]

www.bassdrumsecrets.com

I don't know what to make of this website. The book, video thing looks awesome with all the reviews and comments from these drummers who claim that the secret has changed their lives. Is it too good to be true? The price at $49.95 is extortionate and it smells of a con because of the great 'secrecy' involved. No offence to Americans but the wesbite design reminds me of one your tacky infomercials that state that the product is the answer to life, the universe and everything. I would like to get better with my bass drumming but i am not sure if this product is genuine. If it is, why is the secret so secret?!

[jjmason777]

You are correct. It is not a secret. All they are "selling" you is the heel-toe technique, which you can learn here for free. Those are just ad's, and are not really a part of this web site, they just help pay the bills as advertisers.

[fourstringdrums]

Don't bother. I received the Bass Drum Secrets DVD free because I used to be involved with Rick Kettner (one of Jared's business partners) when he had his own forum/website. It is just a heel-toe video, explaining it for a lot longer than needs to be explained IMO. It's not a secret, and it's definately not worth the money. If you actually want it, PM me and I'll mail it to you.

I appreciate that he wants to share this knowledge with people, but touting it as a mystery and a secret is just a way to rip off beginners who don't yet know that they can find the same information elsewhere for free. Derrick Pope's videos on heel-toe show the exact same thing, and they're free. Yes, the video is really concise with slow motion and a ton of different fills that you can apply it to, but honestly, it's just not worth it.

[Michael G]

Yeah these aren't some magical techniques no one knows about except the guy in the dvd and coincidently everyone who bought and changed their life.

[drumtechdad]

www.bassdrumsecrets.com

No offence to Americans but the wesbite design reminds me of one your tacky infomercials that state that the product is the answer to life, the universe and everything.

But what if it IS the answer to life, the universe, and everything? ;-)

[BigE]

That gut is a fraud! Go to www.icanplaydrums.com and check out Jack Bennet. The guy is an amazing drummer and teacher.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Jared Faulk (who is the main 'instructor') in these videos, last time I heard, had numerous law suits pending against him for basically shamelessly copying the material that other drummers have published. These videos are a con, do not buy them. Apart from the obvious point I've just raised, Jared is the most useless video teacher I've ever come across, from his obvious drawl and overly verbose style right down to his less-than-impressive marketing techniques, the whole DVD stinks. Log on to YouTube and have a look, you'll see what I mean.

[BellsOfRhymney]

Get a Speedking, losen the springs, play along with Bonham.

[Bernhard]

Hmm, is this Jack Bennett and Jared Falk the same person??

Bernhard

[BigE]

Hmm, is this Jack Bennett and Jared Falk the same person??

Bernhard

Hi Bernhard ,no they are not Jacks been at it for a few years with his easy beats and UDS system.There have been a few copycats and this one is very similar.Hes been going through some growing pains with web servers and all so at times there are problems but for the most part his site is up and running. Go to www.icanplaydrums.com/forums and check out what other people have to say.I think this link should work.

[Jared_Falk]

Hello DrummerWorld Drummers!

Someone emailed me this forum link so I wanted to make sure I cleared the air on a couple of things.

First of all, me and Jack are not the same person (But I still think Bernhard and Steve Gadd are the same person). 

As for me being a fraud, that is obviously untrue and someone hasn’t gotten their facts straight. ( the whole “lawsuit” comment was really funny) You can go to the website (www.BassDrumSecrets.com) and look around to see for yourself if the product will have value for you. There are “click to play” buttons where you can actually hear from real drummers around the world who called in to tell us their success stories.

I also offer a 30 day money back guarantee; so if you do buy it, and it’s not what you want, then you can get a full refund. I offer as much security as I can over the internet.

If you would like to discuss this further, don’t hesitate to call or email me personally. Here is all the contact information:

Jared Falk
#205-34314 Marshall Rd
Abbotsford, B.C.
V2S1L9
CANADA

Toll Free: 1.800.439.8921
Direct – 604.853.7606
Fax – 604.557.1386

Direct Email – Jared@RailroadMedia.com

No matter what you decide, keep in mind, there are hundreds of great training materials out there to learn bass drum technique. I actually just picked up Tim Waterson’s new DVD which is another great resource.

One last thing, I just want to make sure I publicly thank Bernhard for DrummerWorld. I personally know how much it costs to run a website like this. There is literally, thousands of dollars spent on making sure the users get fast video content. He probably works every day to make sure we have an optimum user experience. Thanks again Bernhard, I am truly grateful. If you ever need anything at all, don’t hesitate to ask.

I hope to talk to you all soon. All the best in your drumming!

- Jared Falk

[druid]

Hmmmm...most of what I heard in the trailer I can play without Heel/Toe....just quick snaps with my right foot.....

I am not saying anyone is a fraud though.....

One day I will make my own DVD....:-)

[Muckster]

No matter what you decide, keep in mind, there are hundreds of great training materials out there to learn bass drum technique. I actually just picked up Tim Waterson’s new DVD which is another great resource.

- Jared Falk


Uh oh!!!!!!! Watch out Tim!

[Jared_Falk]

Hmmmm...most of what I heard in the trailer I can play without Heel/Toe....just quick snaps with my right foot.....

I am not saying anyone is a fraud though.....

One day I will make my own DVD....:-)

Let me know when it is coming out...I will be the first to purchase.

- Jared Falk

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Sorry Jared. Two words.

Johnny Rabb.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Sorry Jared. Two words.

Johnny Rabb.

Checkmate!!!

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[DrumMasterDave]

Hey,

All this bashing on different videos is very weak. I think the more instructional producst there available the better. Competitive competition is a very good thing for us: the drummers. So if you really do not want to buy a DVD from Jared Falk because you feel it is not a secret, thats fine. But don't rip on him just because of little things like the produt name and stuff. I personally do not have the Bass Drum Secrets DVD; however i will not bash it because i havent seen it. If tehre was only one bass drum dvd by tim watterson, then he could charge whatever he wants for it. PLus his technique may not apply to everyone.

The same goes with Jack Bennet, he is just another drummer offereing instructional.
As for the whole Jonny Raab issue, i have tried to find Raab''s video but havent been able to find anything. So as far as i am concerned, the One Handed Roll is the onyl product out right now that teaches this technique. But i could very well be proven wrong.

Any ways, be thankful for the vast amount of training videos and instructionals out there. Most of them are great!

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Johnny published his VHS in the mid-nineties. No, you can't find it. Does that change copyright infringement laws? Not one iota.

[jazzin']

There is a simple solution to all this. These guys with grand 'secrets' are trying to do one thing and one thing only. Use bad marketing to try and get you to spend a lot of money on one technique, yes only one per dvd, that will not ever, in any way, shape or form make you a great drummer or make you a success as the marketing claims! It is that simple. You can find guys all over the place that will teach you this stuff for free (Derricks videos are the way to go!) from the goodness of their heart, not for money making schemes.

Unlike some people, I don't agree with the attitude that it's alright to do this to make money. Sure put out videos and dvd's for instruction, but make them worthwhile. Take some of the recent ones like Steve Smiths big one. That has probably all the techniques this guy teaches but on one dvd plus it has performances galore on it. That type of instructional dvd is great. It will be a constant learning source for a long time as much for going back to see him perform again and again as for all the techniques he teaches.

Anyway, as I said there is one simple solution which is, that to buy one technique from these dvd's for $50 when you can get it for free here from a better teacher (IMO) that is more to the point and probably a lot better at it as well, is the way to go. Don't waste your money on these scams.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Hey,

All this bashing on different videos is very weak. I think the more instructional producst there available the better. Competitive competition is a very good thing for us: the drummers. So if you really do not want to buy a DVD from Jared Falk because you feel it is not a secret, thats fine. But don't rip on him just because of little things like the produt name and stuff. I personally do not have the Bass Drum Secrets DVD; however i will not bash it because i havent seen it. If tehre was only one bass drum dvd by tim watterson, then he could charge whatever he wants for it. PLus his technique may not apply to everyone.

The same goes with Jack Bennet, he is just another drummer offereing instructional.
As for the whole Jonny Raab issue, i have tried to find Raab''s video but havent been able to find anything. So as far as i am concerned, the One Handed Roll is the onyl product out right now that teaches this technique. But i could very well be proven wrong.

Any ways, be thankful for the vast amount of training videos and instructionals out there. Most of them are great!

Then if that's the case, then anyone could rip off anyone. The way you put it, I could go rip off Derrick Pope (never would I do such a thing), put out a DVD of the exact same material and say that I made the techniques.

[JackBennett]

except you look like a fraud with one post and the only one being promoting yet another weak site.



Nope, not me posing as someone else. How to check - Bernhard in admin options, could delete all comments made by my IP address, and BigE's would still remain. I know this because I run the same forum software on my site.

I'm sorry you think what my site offers is weak, for what it's worth - anyone who visits my site can get 80 free video lessons plus i've been giving away free video newsletters usually twice a month for nearly 2 years now. Correct me if I'm wrong - this is more than any single drummer has given away online, ever, Derrek and Tim included - both outstanding players and teachers by the way, hats off.

So yes, I sell my own products, and yes I use marketing to help them sell, but I also give a lot to the community for free. More importantly I believe I sell truly innovative products with the Ezybeat design I invented (http://www.icanplaydrums.com/ezybeat_sample.wmv), and on my latest DVD set for $39.95 I sold over 4 hours worth of content covering a huge range of styles with more than 100 split-screen Ezybeats. Compare this to people out there that sell 1 technique for the same price, which are A) a gimmick and B) free on any number of sites, like this one.

So as Jared stated, he and I are not the same person/company. Nor have we ever been, or will we ever be.

Peace and more Porcaro

JB

[spw]

Hi everyone!

I started trying to play drums last year, and i have learned a lot from this site as well as many others.

I have purchased materials from both Jack and Jared and am happy with the material from both.
I would also take lessons from an instructor but i can't find one that meets my needs, so i look to books and videos that will help me learn.

[Paul Quin]

Nope, not me posing as someone else. How to check - Bernhard in admin options, could delete all comments made by my IP address, and BigE's would still remain. I know this because I run the same forum software on my site.

I'm sorry you think what my site offers is weak, for what it's worth - anyone who visits my site can get 80 free video lessons plus i've been giving away free video newsletters usually twice a month for nearly 2 years now. Correct me if I'm wrong - this is more than any single drummer has given away online, ever, Derrek and Tim included - both outstanding players and teachers by the way, hats off.

So yes, I sell my own products, and yes I use marketing to help them sell, but I also give a lot to the community for free. More importantly I believe I sell truly innovative products with the Ezybeat design I invented (http://www.icanplaydrums.com/ezybeat_sample.wmv), and on my latest DVD set for $39.95 I sold over 4 hours worth of content covering a huge range of styles with more than 100 split-screen Ezybeats. Compare this to people out there that sell 1 technique for the same price, which are A) a gimmick and B) free on any number of sites, like this one.

So as Jared stated, he and I are not the same person/company. Nor have we ever been, or will we ever be.

Peace and more Porcaro

JB


I know nothing about Jared except what has been posted on this forum and so I reserve judgment. Jack, however, is a very good player who has made a name for himself outside the realm of teaching on the internet. Aside from his playing, he is also a very good teacher with a very good technique and a great ability to explain himself in a clear and concise manner. In addition, he is someone who has clearly given back to the drum community through the amount of material he has provided all for free. In that respect he reminds me of Derek!

I have never really understood the posts that extoll someone for doing something for free and castigate them when they try to make some money. We all have to pay our bills. Maybe Jack's marketing on his site is not to everyone's taste but he is a serious drummer, a serious teacher and a good member of the community - and for that he deserves our suppport.

How can you not love someone who writes "Peace and more Porcaro" at the end of their post?

Paul

[rendezvous_drummer]

When I started out drumming, I checked into a few free videos of his, and I liked them. He would break down the parts for "Fool in the rain" by Led Zepplin, which I thought was pretty cool. I agree with Paul Quin though, he is a good player.

[ILikeMacs]

Jared would you be so kind as to tell us which part of the heel toe technique you teach on your Bass Drum Secrets DVD, is actually a secret? I watched all Dereks vidoes and some off youtube.com - but according to your add below, you know something that the rest of us don't - what is that?

I'm betting Jared won't answer.

[Deathmetalconga]

Why everyone is ripping on this Jared Falk guy is a mystery to me. Okay, he does make it seem like if you buy his CD, you'll be the next Buddy Rich. So? If advertisers couldn't make such claims we would see few ads for anything. If someone buys his DVD and it helps them, good for them and good for Jared.

Jared didn't show up here posting trying to push his product. He's just in one of the ads ... helping to financially support this site, by the way, and I suspect very, very few of you have ever contributed a dime to this site. Care for a show of hands on that? Say what you will about his methods, but I give him props for helping to keep this site funded and free for you to bash him. The thing about the lawsuits sounds like an urban myth and whoever posted it should cite their source.

If someone spends $50 on the DVD and it winds up supporting an advertiser who supports this site, that's money well spent. Or, if you think it's still a waste of money, pony up the $50 as a donation to Drummerworld.

Just because he's an advertiser doesn't mean he should get away with BS, I agree. But to me, he's just one of the people helping to keep the site funded. That includes advertisers and members who care enough to donate. So give him some respect, all of you.

[nhzoso]

Why everyone is ripping on this Jared Falk guy is a mystery to me. Okay, he does make it seem like if you buy his CD, you'll be the next Buddy Rich. So? If advertisers couldn't make such claims we would see few ads for anything. If someone buys his DVD and it helps them, good for them and good for Jared.

Jared didn't show up here posting trying to push his product. He's just in one of the ads ... helping to financially support this site, by the way, and I suspect very, very few of you have ever contributed a dime to this site. Care for a show of hands on that? Say what you will about his methods, but I give him props for helping to keep this site funded and free for you to bash him. The thing about the lawsuits sounds like an urban myth and whoever posted it should cite their source.

If someone spends $50 on the DVD and it winds up supporting an advertiser who supports this site, that's money well spent. Or, if you think it's still a waste of money, pony up the $50 as a donation to Drummerworld.

Just because he's an advertiser doesn't mean he should get away with BS, I agree. But to me, he's just one of the people helping to keep the site funded. That includes advertisers and members who care enough to donate. So give him some respect, all of you.



Well said Conga, I have bought some of Jacks UDS system and feel it was well worth it. I have seen some of jared's stuff but have not purchased any. Damn guys lighten up!

[fourstringdrums]

Why everyone is ripping on this Jared Falk guy is a mystery to me. Okay, he does make it seem like if you buy his CD, you'll be the next Buddy Rich. So? If advertisers couldn't make such claims we would see few ads for anything. If someone buys his DVD and it helps them, good for them and good for Jared.

Jared didn't show up here posting trying to push his product. He's just in one of the ads ... helping to financially support this site, by the way, and I suspect very, very few of you have ever contributed a dime to this site. Care for a show of hands on that? Say what you will about his methods, but I give him props for helping to keep this site funded and free for you to bash him. The thing about the lawsuits sounds like an urban myth and whoever posted it should cite their source.

If someone spends $50 on the DVD and it winds up supporting an advertiser who supports this site, that's money well spent. Or, if you think it's still a waste of money, pony up the $50 as a donation to Drummerworld.

Just because he's an advertiser doesn't mean he should get away with BS, I agree. But to me, he's just one of the people helping to keep the site funded. That includes advertisers and members who care enough to donate. So give him some respect, all of you.

Jared doesn't pay bernhard one red cent to advertise on the site. His ad shows up because Bernard uses "Ads by Goggle" and Jared just happens to be one of those sites that comes up. So technically, he has hasn't given Bernhard a dime for all we know either.

He gets ripped a new one for his honestly unethical marketing practices. Touting a technique that is now common knowledge as a "secret", and charging people $50 for something they can get for free elsewhere IMO is what the problem is here. I also have a problem with the informerical like way he advertises his product. It makes the viewer feel like they're being sucked in into this realm of knowledge only known to him. It has been debated as well that his videos on single-handed rolls have been ripped off from Johnny Rabb, but I don't personally have any evidence of that.

[jazzin']

He gets ripped a new one for his honestly unethical marketing practices. Touting a technique that is now common knowledge as a "secret", and charging people $50 for something they can get for free elsewhere IMO is what the problem is here. I also have a problem with the informerical like way he advertises his product. It makes the viewer feel like they're being sucked in into this realm of knowledge only known to him.


This is certainly what I find very difficult to stomach. Some don't, some do. I have a great deal of trouble with the way he markets his product. If it was an amazing product worth the $50 he charges I would still think of it as wrong. To market common knowledge as 'secrets' that guarantee success, fame, screaming fans and drumming skills that everyone wants (among others), all achieved in a minimum of time is utter crap! I can't see any purpose to it, apart from to fool people into buying a product that will not make them any of the things he claims.

[fourstringdrums]

This is certainly what I find very difficult to stomach. Some don't, some do. I have a great deal of trouble with the way he markets his product. If it was an amazing product worth the $50 he charges I would still think of it as wrong. To market common knowledge as 'secrets' that guarantee success, fame, screaming fans and drumming skills that everyone wants (among others), all achieved in a minimum of time is utter crap! I can't see any purpose to it, apart from to fool people into buying a product that will not make them any of the things he claims.

Agreed. While I have no problem with people charging for books, dvd's, lessons etc.. it depends on how they go about it. As you say, charging and promising immediate increased speed, rapid increase of your progress etc.. you're not giving them anything real. Even if the technique is the easiest thing in the world, it's up to every drummer and their own personal abilities and will to learn what it is you're showing that dtermines how well it will work for them.

[jazzin']

Agreed. While I have no problem with people charging for books, dvd's, lessons etc.. it depends on how they go about it. As you say, charging and promising immediate increased speed, rapid increase of your progress etc.. you're not giving them anything real. Even if the technique is the easiest thing in the world, it's up to every drummer and their own personal abilities and will to learn what it is you're showing that dtermines how well it will work for them.

Spot on!

I can't help but find it despicable and I don't know how everyone doesn't. As I'm writing this there is an advertisement for the 'Bass Drum Secret Method'. Now the title is bad enough, but then the subtitle of 'Easily double your bass drum pedal speed instantly with this method'!? For some poor young kid who simply has to understand that it is practice that will make him faster/better, he will see this and think to himself 'Wow, instantly double my speed?! I didn't think that was possible.' He will go and buy this one technique for $50 and try it out. Very quickly he will realise that you cannot double your speed instantly, will get frustrated that he can't and will probably not understand why. He will then throw the video in the closet never to be looked at again. Waste of money and highly misleading to some poor kid who now thinks he sucks because he can't double his speed instantly and can't begin to figure out why when the video promises that he will.

[ILikeMacs]

Why everyone is ripping on this Jared Falk guy is a mystery to me. Okay, he does make it seem like if you buy his CD, you'll be the next Buddy Rich. So? If advertisers couldn't make such claims we would see few ads for anything. If someone buys his DVD and it helps them, good for them and good for Jared.

Jared didn't show up here posting trying to push his product. He's just in one of the ads ... helping to financially support this site, by the way, and I suspect very, very few of you have ever contributed a dime to this site. Care for a show of hands on that? Say what you will about his methods, but I give him props for helping to keep this site funded and free for you to bash him. The thing about the lawsuits sounds like an urban myth and whoever posted it should cite their source.

If someone spends $50 on the DVD and it winds up supporting an advertiser who supports this site, that's money well spent. Or, if you think it's still a waste of money, pony up the $50 as a donation to Drummerworld.

Just because he's an advertiser doesn't mean he should get away with BS, I agree. But to me, he's just one of the people helping to keep the site funded. That includes advertisers and members who care enough to donate. So give him some respect, all of you.

You obviously dont have the full vibe on Jared Falk, go read the entire thread called "Jared Falk", this will bring you up to speed. Yes, by Jareds adds appearing on drummerworld Bernard is making a very small percentage of what Jared spends, but dont go thinking the reason Jared runs the adds here is to help out Bernards site, he's in it to direct people to his sites and buy his DVDs. Bernard could easily block Jareds adds and still make the same money from all the other adds run here, and we would then have a BS free experience.

The "urban myth" you're talking about was Tim Waterson saying he spoke to Johnny Rabb about Jared ripping off Rabbs 90's video, and that Johnny was speaking to his lawyers about it. This and many other instances of product and website ripoff are the basis for peoples ill feeling towards Jared, not whether he runs adds on drummerworld or not.

So no - I give him no respect what so ever, nor does hardly anyone else. Just because Jared shows up on drummerworld periodically to do a bit of PR and thank Bernhard yadaya doesn't change what he's done and how he's earnt his reputation.

We might be drummers, but we're not stupid.

[fourstringdrums]

Spot on!

I can't help but find it despicable and I don't know how everyone doesn't. As I'm writing this there is an advertisement for the 'Bass Drum Secret Method'. Now the title is bad enough, but then the subtitle of 'Easily double your bass drum pedal speed instantly with this method'!? For some poor young kid who simply has to understand that it is practice that will make him faster/better, he will see this and think to himself 'Wow, instantly double my speed?! I didn't think that was possible.' He will go and buy this one technique for $50 and try it out. Very quickly he will realise that you cannot double your speed instantly, will get frustrated that he can't and will probably not understand why. He will then throw the video in the closet never to be looked at again. Waste of money and highly misleading to some poor kid who now thinks he sucks because he can't double his speed instantly and can't begin to figure out why when the video promises that he will.

I'm actually a perfect example of what I said. I physically CAN'T do heel-toe on my right foot, so it's useless to me. It would take me perhaps years to even get the motion in my foot to be able to do it slowly. On my left foot, I can do it, but my foot is still tight and weak, so again it's going to take me longer to build up the technique. Maybe physical reasons aren't a good example, but I just think that's proof that not every technique works for everyone.

[Deathmetalconga]

You obviously dont have the full vibe on Jared Falk, go read the entire thread called "Jared Falk", this will bring you up to speed. Yes, by Jareds adds appearing on drummerworld Bernard is making a very small percentage of what Jared spends, but dont go thinking the reason Jared runs the adds here is to help out Bernards site, he's in it to direct people to his sites and buy his DVDs. Bernard could easily block Jareds adds and still make the same money from all the other adds run here, and we would then have a BS free experience.

The "urban myth" you're talking about was Tim Waterson saying he spoke to Johnny Rabb about Jared ripping off Rabbs 90's video, and that Johnny was speaking to his lawyers about it. This and many other instances of product and website ripoff are the basis for peoples ill feeling towards Jared, not whether he runs adds on drummerworld or not.

So no - I give him no respect what so ever, nor does hardly anyone else. Just because Jared shows up on drummerworld periodically to do a bit of PR and thank Bernhard yadaya doesn't change what he's done and how he's earnt his reputation.

We might be drummers, but we're not stupid.

Jared's ads do seem pretty over-the-top, but I see about the same type of claims from drum and gear makers and other instructors. People have been making extreme claims about their products or services for thousands of years and consumers need to do their research before buying - which in 2007 includes reading a discussion board with people taking some pretty vicious pot shots at the advertiser.

People have been playing Western trap sets for more than 100 years and other kinds of drums for tens of thousands of years. If Rabb's method was so revolutionary, he should have cared enough to patent it (maybe he did, dunno, please clarify). You patent things specifically to keep others from taking your ideas.

In any case, I've just donated another $50 to Drummerworld five minutes ago, in honor of the advertisers and members who help keep the site funded. Anyone care to match me? Even $5? So far everyone has steered clear of the subject of how advertisers contribute to this site, preferring to do nothing but bash this dude for his claims, some of which are BS, I agree. I'm the kind of person that looks at the other side of the coin and asks about the yin after the yang. Jared can simultaneously be a snake oil salesman, yet someone who helps keep this site going, and he should be valued to an extent for that.

Jared's business supports this site, so he gets a measure of respect from me. You don't.

[ILikeMacs]

People have been playing Western trap sets for more than 100 years and other kinds of drums for tens of thousands of years. If Rabb's method was so revolutionary, he should have cared enough to patent it (maybe he did, dunno, please clarify). You patent things specifically to keep others from taking your ideas.

Nice idea - doesn't work. You can't patent a stick technique, no offence thats pretty ridiculous. Patents costs tens of thousands a year (god knows why, it should just be a public service), so ofcourse Rabb or anyone else with a unique instructional video for their time, didn't patent - patents aren't physically possible with drum videos. That said I think its fair to say there is an unwritten code in any industry, that if there is an instructional material produced by one person, that someone else doesn't come along and completely rip it off - THATS what happened, and THATS the issue.

In any case, I've just donated another $50 to Drummerworld five minutes ago, in honor of the advertisers and members who help keep the site funded. Anyone care to match me? Even $5? So far everyone has steered clear of the subject of how advertisers contribute to this site, preferring to do nothing but bash this dude for his claims, some of which are BS, I agree.

I thought I answered that in my last post. Yes Bernhard makes a tiny amount from the advertisers on this site. But the advertisers aren't doing it because they feel obliged to help out Bernhard for his hard work. They advertise here because drummerworld is a popular site and they know they can snag some of these people and direct them to their own sites. Also fyi - adsense pays out way less these days than when it was first launched, no one knows the exact % the webhost gets, but general "adsense industry" opinion is that it has has dropped significantly. Do a google on "adsense payouts" if you want clarification on this. So, in that respect, Jared and the others are paying Bernhard even less than we thought. Although I do appreciate your genuine gesture of a donation. I would too but im broke - im a drummer. :)

To recap - even with a ton of adds paying a few cents per the odd click, im guessing Bernhard isn't making enough money from adsense alone to run drummerworld. My guess - Bernhard has his own server which costs HEAPS per month, and therefore has funding from another source, but that's his business. In fact as far as I'm aware, Bernhard never claimed he funded drummerworld from adsense, i think that was a conclusion we drew when the whole Jared Falk thing first came up. Once again - ppl arent pissed at Jareds adds, those are just anoying, there pissed at his less than ethical business methods which we've all seen time and time again.

[mattsmith]

I always thought this was a pretty clear explanation.


http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=125994&postcount=2

[jazzin']

I always thought this was a pretty clear explanation.


http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=125994&postcount=2


Yeah, I think that really does just about sum it all up.

[ILikeMacs]

haha "is a really mess up" - i love it!

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

See, the thing is, someone like Jojo Mayer barely needs to advertise. He simply mentions that he's got a DVD coming out and everybody gets excited. Needless to say, I'm considering buying it, it looks like an entertaining DVD and the worst thing that could happen is that I learn something from it. Excess marketing denotes a bad product, and having seen some of the content on YouTube, I can safely say that Jared's DVD is substantially sub-par.

[ILikeMacs]

See, the thing is, someone like Jojo Mayer barely needs to advertise. He simply mentions that he's got a DVD coming out and everybody gets excited. Needless to say, I'm considering buying it, it looks like an entertaining DVD and the worst thing that could happen is that I learn something from it. Excess marketing denotes a bad product, and having seen some of the content on YouTube, I can safely say that Jared's DVD is substantially sub-par.

Yes i cant wait for the Jojo DVD, looks very entertaining with a lot of great stuff. he's such a awesome player too. woohoo! Does anyone know where it will be available to buy online??

[DrumMasterDave]

very well said, i didnt even think of it that way.

[ddrummer]

Yer dude when i first wanted to get better with my feet the first thing i seen was this dvd and i had to bye it to learn the secret which is the heel and toe as u would know bye now..... if you find derrick pope on drummerworld.com he has very good videos on this technique and he explains it very well i always use his videos for instructions so check him out.......

[druid]

as I said...I believe I can play alot of these figures without heel toe....but I am working on heel toe as well...I find play sixteenths (1e) with hands (&a) with foot by using your ankle you can get some pretty smooth and fast fills going.....without paying $49.95.....also for someone my height ( 6'3") heel toe is a little more of a challenge...don't know why...but it is...I think it is a leverage thing.

[Skacatz]

I taught myself to do a one handed roll and it didn't cost me a thing. Just used my common sense and some time.

[DrumMasterDave]

Isnt this the same drummer that just launched www.freedrumlessons.com ? I think thats a pretty sweet website regardless what falk did in the past with his bass drum secrets. Free video lessons that are better quality than most out on youtube. from what i can see tehre is no sales pitch so far too. But who knows what will happen in the future... lol

[middleman]

I have the video and I feel like I wasted my money......it's true you can find the same technique on YouTube if you look hard enough. The dude is not a fraud...just uses good marketing to get his product out there in magazines and in internet.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Did you instigate your money back guarantee?

[middleman]

Did you instigate your money back guarantee?

I got lazy and waited too long.....o well

[ILikeMacs]

I checked out freedrumlessons.com - same thing, Jared just cant get his hand of his skin flute - you can sign up for "secret lessons" which as everyone knows - if its coming from Jared Falk its sure not to be a secret. And the heading, the online drum lesson revolution - gimme a break Jared - you make us sick.

[JAM]

Boy was this an interesting read. My eyes hurt.
My take? -- I've seen this Jared Falk guys stuff all over the net at different websites. I think that promise-you-the-world, secrets this-and-that stuff just insults the average persons intelligence. Somebody mentioned snake oil salesman. That's exactly it. It reminds me of an old Andy Griffith episode where the snake-oil salesman is in town and he's got a crowd around him. This guy of course is making this bottle of (water? I dunno) to be this cure all for everything that ails you. So Andy ends up running him out of town. And then if I remember right, he sits Opie down to give him a life lesson on what just happened.

Fact is, people fall for this stuff and like another guy said in this thread, there's a lot of young kids that think this type of DVD or download or whatever, is going to make them the next Danny Carey or something. Its just real misleading and I think anyone that knows better is angry because we know those people are getting taken advantage of. I'm just as tired of these long drawn out websites of theirs that promise all these "secrets" if you just sign up. And it seems like they have quite a few of them. I just don't go to them.

[BrynnerAgassi]

I agree with JAM, my eyes hurt after reading all the messages.

But here is my two cents... For everyone here we all know that "THE SECRET" is really not a secret, its actually heel toe... The guy Jared or whoever he is, wants to make $$$, dont we all??? I kinda wanna say give the guy a break, he is marketing his product the best and only way he knows how to...

You think if he put out a DVD called "Jareds Drum Method", does anyone think anyone in the world would buy it?!??! LMAO probably not... He is no Weckl, Gadd, Mayer, or Lang, so needless to be said his name recognision is not going to get him anywhere, not yet that is... Who knows.

But what I am trying to say is that the guy is trying to make a name for himself, and believe it or not im sure everyone here had a question mark go off in their head when they heard the title for the first time, how can you not, we all want to get better, faster, and find new ways to do things... The secret, the REAL SECRET is that............ THERE IS NO SECRET...

The best method is to practice, and keep at it... Start slow and move up, thats all... Thats all the secrets there are, you can go to the worlds fastest drummers and they can say the same thing... Ya im Sure heel toe will work, but guess what im a size 11 1/2 - 12 shoe, nope wont work for me, so the traditional method will, heel up and etc.

I think the more we talk about this so called amazing dvd that will change peoples lives and make them the next Buddy Rich is just hyping the actual DVD so much so that people will look for it and probably buy it... And you know what, let them, the guy is running a business, and its not false advertising, if the buyer doesnt know better or research stuff, he is getting his moneys worth...

You mean to tell me every dvd that is made to show you new methods on hand, stick, foot control cant be found on the net??? OF COURSE it can, but the people behind the dvd, the artists name is what sells the actual dvd, not the content... Its almost all the same to some degree...

I admitt, my fav drummers I will always support them and learn as much as I can, but we have to face the facts we buy the dvd's to watch them and what they do, and get insperation from them, in the long run its how much time and effort we put in to learn their teachings...

AHHHHHHHH ok, im done, just had to get it off my chest,

[ILikeMacs]

I agree with JAM, my eyes hurt after reading all the messages.

But here is my two cents... For everyone here we all know that "THE SECRET" is really not a secret, its actually heel toe... The guy Jared or whoever he is, wants to make $$$, dont we all??? I kinda wanna say give the guy a break, he is marketing his product the best and only way he knows how to...

You think if he put out a DVD called "Jareds Drum Method", does anyone think anyone in the world would buy it?!??! LMAO probably not... He is no Weckl, Gadd, Mayer, or Lang, so needless to be said his name recognision is not going to get him anywhere, not yet that is... Who knows.

But what I am trying to say is that the guy is trying to make a name for himself, and believe it or not im sure everyone here had a question mark go off in their head when they heard the title for the first time, how can you not, we all want to get better, faster, and find new ways to do things... The secret, the REAL SECRET is that............ THERE IS NO SECRET...

The best method is to practice, and keep at it... Start slow and move up, thats all... Thats all the secrets there are, you can go to the worlds fastest drummers and they can say the same thing... Ya im Sure heel toe will work, but guess what im a size 11 1/2 - 12 shoe, nope wont work for me, so the traditional method will, heel up and etc.

I think the more we talk about this so called amazing dvd that will change peoples lives and make them the next Buddy Rich is just hyping the actual DVD so much so that people will look for it and probably buy it... And you know what, let them, the guy is running a business, and its not false advertising, if the buyer doesnt know better or research stuff, he is getting his moneys worth...

You mean to tell me every dvd that is made to show you new methods on hand, stick, foot control cant be found on the net??? OF COURSE it can, but the people behind the dvd, the artists name is what sells the actual dvd, not the content... Its almost all the same to some degree...

I admitt, my fav drummers I will always support them and learn as much as I can, but we have to face the facts we buy the dvd's to watch them and what they do, and get insperation from them, in the long run its how much time and effort we put in to learn their teachings...

AHHHHHHHH ok, im done, just had to get it off my chest,

I think to understand the ill feeling towards Jared Falk you need to understand his background and record of his past actions - this is why ppl are harsh on him and maybe you don't know what he's done. It's not just that he's promoting gimmick techniques as secrets, its the well known fact that he out right copied many drummers websites and products, for YEARS. And he still hasn't apologized or changed his ways, and still continues to promote his lessons as secrets. This is why he's seen as the drum industries great scam.

So while i understand to the Jared Falk newbie you might think ppl are coming off a bit harsh, try reading these 8 threads I got from another thread here, yes you read that correctly - 8 threads, all on Jared Falks questionable business antics. It'll give you insight as to ppls feeling towards him, and it's not just 1 or 2 ppl saying the same thing, it's 100's of drummers worldwide.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=29475
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28051
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=11414
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...t=27576&page=1
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28206
http://www.drum-world.com/topic_bass...ts_4731_1.html
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/sh....php?t=1283445) mike dolbear 2

Furthermore, the drummers who you listed Weckl etc, they made a name for themselves through hard work at getting to the top, so they deserve it, Jared can't play to save his life, he doesn't deserve it, he's trying to short cut the whole process, and getting a slamming in the process.

[Deathmetalconga]

I think to understand the ill feeling towards Jared Falk you need to understand his background and record of his past actions - this is why ppl are harsh on him and maybe you don't know what he's done. It's not just that he's promoting gimmick techniques as secrets, its the well known fact that he out right copied many drummers websites and products, for YEARS. And he still hasn't apologized or changed his ways, and still continues to promote his lessons as secrets. This is why he's seen as the drum industries great scam.

So while i understand to the Jared Falk newbie you might think ppl are coming off a bit harsh, try reading these 8 threads I got from another thread here, yes you read that correctly - 8 threads, all on Jared Falks questionable business antics. It'll give you insight as to ppls feeling towards him, and it's not just 1 or 2 ppl saying the same thing, it's 100's of drummers worldwide.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=29475
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28051
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=11414
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...t=27576&page=1
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28206
http://www.drum-world.com/topic_bass...ts_4731_1.html
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/sh....php?t=1283445) mike dolbear 2

Furthermore, the drummers who you listed Weckl etc, they made a name for themselves through hard work at getting to the top, so they deserve it, Jared can't play to save his life, he doesn't deserve it, he's trying to short cut the whole process, and getting a slamming in the process.

Dude, you are OBSESSED with Jared Falk. Seems like most of your posts here have been about him. Wow. There are some people who have posted here who feel Jared's lessons were useful, but they don't make it their life's mission to talk about Jared like you do. I still give Jared props for paying into a system that supports Drummerworld financially, even in some small indirect way. That's more than you'll ever do.

Consider you are free to find something else to talk about if you want. Or not. I'm sure there are thousands of posts you have yet to make about every aspect of Jared Falk.

[fourstringdrums]

I'm surprised this thread is still going.

Jared Falk is the Billy Mays of Drumming.



http://www.atmospheric-violence.com/mays/billymays1-small.jpg

[BrynnerAgassi]

I think to understand the ill feeling towards Jared Falk you need to understand his background and record of his past actions - this is why ppl are harsh on him and maybe you don't know what he's done. It's not just that he's promoting gimmick techniques as secrets, its the well known fact that he out right copied many drummers websites and products, for YEARS. And he still hasn't apologized or changed his ways, and still continues to promote his lessons as secrets. This is why he's seen as the drum industries great scam.

So while i understand to the Jared Falk newbie you might think ppl are coming off a bit harsh, try reading these 8 threads I got from another thread here, yes you read that correctly - 8 threads, all on Jared Falks questionable business antics. It'll give you insight as to ppls feeling towards him, and it's not just 1 or 2 ppl saying the same thing, it's 100's of drummers worldwide.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=29475
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28051
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=11414
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...t=27576&page=1
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=28206
http://www.drum-world.com/topic_bass...ts_4731_1.html
http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/sh....php?t=1283445) mike dolbear 2

Furthermore, the drummers who you listed Weckl etc, they made a name for themselves through hard work at getting to the top, so they deserve it, Jared can't play to save his life, he doesn't deserve it, he's trying to short cut the whole process, and getting a slamming in the process.

You know what man, your right, the drummers I had listed did work their ass off and deserve every bit of fame and money! Trust me man, I would and will and have always bought their dvd's and support them.

As far as Jared, ya im new to the "Secrets of bass drumming" so I dont know much about this guy in Canada. But ONLY from a business aspect, and from what I didnt know, I would think the guy is promoting some stuff that he is trying to market...

As far as anything else man, the only question I do have for you, because I do respect your opinion is the fact why drummerworld is actually supporting the dvd's... What I mean by that is why is it I see a link for his videos at the top of the website?!??! They should not be supporting a scame artist right???!?!

I am going to go and read those threads though, thanks.

[ILikeMacs]

Dude, you are OBSESSED with Jared Falk. Seems like most of your posts here have been about him.

And you are one of the few ppl on the entire internet who consistently runs to his defense.. anyway i've said what i had to say, im off for a chocolate thickshake.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

You know what man, your right, the drummers I had listed did work their ass off and deserve every bit of fame and money! Trust me man, I would and will and have always bought their dvd's and support them.

As far as Jared, ya im new to the "Secrets of bass drumming" so I dont know much about this guy in Canada. But ONLY from a business aspect, and from what I didnt know, I would think the guy is promoting some stuff that he is trying to market...

As far as anything else man, the only question I do have for you, because I do respect your opinion is the fact why drummerworld is actually supporting the dvd's... What I mean by that is why is it I see a link for his videos at the top of the website?!??! They should not be supporting a scame artist right???!?!

I am going to go and read those threads though, thanks.

The reason it's in the banner is because Google Ads have put it there, not because Bernhard has sanctioned it. Bernhard is using Google Ads to develop a small income for the website which he has now run for nearly ten years, the content of those adverts do NOT and I repeat NOT constitute an endorsement of the products featured with Drummerworld.com. So in short, the adverts do not mean anything, the product is still a hoax.

[Bernhard]

Yes MFB is right.

Google is choosing the ads - and they differ from country to country. I even have no control over it, because I can't see, which ads appear where. Yes, there is a program to do this, but doesn't run on Mac. Of course i could exclude somebody, but till now i never went so far.

Google Ads are at the moment a important financial factor for covering some Server-Costs.

Bernhard

[Skitch]

Yes MFB is right.

Google is choosing the ads - and they differ from country to country. I even have no control over it, because I can't see, which ads appear where. Yes, there is a program to do this, but doesn't run on Mac. Of course i could exclude somebody, but till now i never went so far.

Google Ads are at the moment a important financial factor for covering some Server-Costs.

Bernhard


And there is no such thing as a free lunch. Thank you Bernhard! I love Drummerworld!

Mike

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http://www.youtube.com/drummermikemccraw
http://www.myspace.com/drummermikemccraw

[BrynnerAgassi]

Yes MFB is right.

Google is choosing the ads - and they differ from country to country. I even have no control over it, because I can't see, which ads appear where. Yes, there is a program to do this, but doesn't run on Mac. Of course i could exclude somebody, but till now i never went so far.

Google Ads are at the moment a important financial factor for covering some Server-Costs.

Bernhard


Your right, I see the " Ads byGoogle" right under the banner.

Sorry, I really didnt know about that. And the only thing I can say is thank you for Drummerworld!

[BrynnerAgassi]

The reason it's in the banner is because Google Ads have put it there, not because Bernhard has sanctioned it. Bernhard is using Google Ads to develop a small income for the website which he has now run for nearly ten years, the content of those adverts do NOT and I repeat NOT constitute an endorsement of the products featured with Drummerworld.com. So in short, the adverts do not mean anything, the product is still a hoax.

As a matter of fact after reading all the old posts, and everyones posts here, its really hard not to change your mind on this guy and what he is doing.

I guess not knowing the deep rooted information, regarding everything can really make someone think differently. But damn, I hope they can some how put a stop to his videos.

[Snelle Jelle]

Don't bother. I received the Bass Drum Secrets DVD free because I used to be involved with Rick Kettner (one of Jared's business partners) when he had his own forum/website. It is just a heel-toe video, explaining it for a lot longer than needs to be explained IMO. It's not a secret, and it's definately not worth the money. If you actually want it, PM me and I'll mail it to you.

I appreciate that he wants to share this knowledge with people, but touting it as a mystery and a secret is just a way to rip off beginners who don't yet know that they can find the same information elsewhere for free. Derrick Pope's videos on heel-toe show the exact same thing, and they're free. Yes, the video is really concise with slow motion and a ton of different fills that you can apply it to, but honestly, it's just not worth it.

Hi,
Do you still have: bass drum secrets by Jared Falk?