Quintuplet teaser

[Just Drums]

Hey guys - try this on for size.

We all know that if you play sixtuplets alternating, it'll look like this:

RLRLRL RLRLRL RLRLRL RLRLRL

Right? And you can also double-stroke it to "triplet" feel like so:

RRLLRR LLRRLL RRLLRR LLRRLL


Now try the same concept with quints. Take this:

RLRLR LRLRL RLRLR LRLRL

...and play it like this (against a metronome!)

RRLLR RLLRR LLRRL LRRLL


It took me a while to get it smooth. You won't be using this at a gig anytime soon...but it was fun for me to figure out. I tend to like these kind of teasers.

Enjoy!

[gusty]

This is like the Virgil Donati exercises I'm doing atm...I like this sort of stuff too.

[Wavelength]

That's a part of a thing I do every now and then: play double strokes as quarter notes at a low tempo, then triplets, then 8ths, 8th-note triplets, 16ths, quintuplets, sextuplets, septuplets, 32nd notes... It messes with your brain quite effectively.

[gusty]

It messes with your brain quite effectively.

I love that part of it.

[jazzin']

That's a part of a thing I do every now and then: play double strokes as quarter notes at a low tempo, then triplets, then 8ths, 8th-note triplets, 16ths, quintuplets, sextuplets, septuplets, 32nd notes... It messes with your brain quite effectively.

Thats my exact daily warm up before the ritual, although I do it with singles, doubles and diddles. It's a cool exercise isn't it?

On the quintuplets though I would also suggest this sticking taken from the Chaffee stickings. R LL RR L RR LL. Once you get used to this sticking you'll find it a lot easier than singles or doubles. It rolls a lot smoother, similar to a triplet feel.

A funky little exercise to get it happening practically is going from triplets to quintuplets using the same sticking. Do one bar of triplets with the double strokes as sixteenth note triplets ie a five stroke roll in triplets: R=1, LL=and, RR=a etc then on the second bar flatten out the doubles so each stroke is evened out into a quintuplet. It's a great little phrase that can be mixed up in many ways. Accent each quarter note first but when you're comfortable it sounds very nice without the accents.

Quintuplets are a great under-utilised note group.

[Wavelength]

On the quintuplets though I would also suggest this sticking taken from the Chaffee stickings. R LL RR L RR LL. Once you get used to this sticking you'll find it a lot easier than singles or doubles. It rolls a lot smoother, similar to a triplet feel.

Yep, the RLLRR LRRLL is basically a slurred five stroke roll. I also often employ the "blushda" sticking RLRRL RLRRL, which will have you lead constantly with the right hand.

[jonescrusher]

That's a part of a thing I do every now and then: play double strokes as quarter notes at a low tempo, then triplets, then 8ths, 8th-note triplets, 16ths, quintuplets, sextuplets, septuplets, 32nd notes... It messes with your brain quite effectively.


I beleive this to be the most efficient way of getting double strokes up to speed, as opposed to setting tempo targets - increasing note density is the best way to improving hand speed, and of course applies to any of the standard rudiments. Must admit i've yet to apply it to any other than singles, doubles and paradiddles....

[SEVNT7]

The "Blushda" is more akin to the swiss rudiment flam drag w/ the drag grace notes played as even triplets . lR llR--lR llR, rL rrL-rL rrL, rL llR, rL-llR....Later......T

[Wavelength]

The "Blushda" is more akin to the swiss rudiment flam drag w/ the drag grace notes played as even triplets . lR llR--lR llR, rL rrL-rL rrL, rL llR, rL-llR....Later......T

That's true, but I was referring just to the sticking, which is RLRRL. Just like the paradiddle sticking is RLRRLRLL, the actual Paradiddle is RLRR LRLL, the bolds being accents.

[maddrummr]

I love this stuff, takes a little while to figure it out...

Then when you get it you go OOHHHHHH, then you speed it up and everyones having a jolly good time.

[jeffwj]

Morello has simliar exercises that he gives his students

You can play the stickings on pg. 5 of stick control with the quintuplets. He developed that idea into Pg. 73 Mater Studies 2.

He also has has an exercise which is 4 (quarter notes) on the foot against 5 on the hands - sort of like Groove's exercise, but with a half time feel. Once you can play that with an alternated sticking, use the stickings on pg. 5 Stick Control. He then goes on to fill in the doubles with an alternated stickings. For example R L R R beclome R L Rl R, R R L L becomes RlR LrL, etc.

Jeff

[Tim Waterson]

Hey guys - try this on for size.

We all know that if you play sixtuplets alternating, it'll look like this:

RLRLRL RLRLRL RLRLRL RLRLRL

Right? And you can also double-stroke it to "triplet" feel like so:

RRLLRR LLRRLL RRLLRR LLRRLL


Now try the same concept with quints. Take this:

RLRLR LRLRL RLRLR LRLRL

...and play it like this (against a metronome!)

RRLLR RLLRR LLRRL LRRLL


It took me a while to get it smooth. You won't be using this at a gig anytime soon...but it was fun for me to figure out. I tend to like these kind of teasers.

Enjoy!
One thing about drummers is if you think about working on soimething chances are somene will have a clip on youtube
heres DANNY BRITT....................................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4nSBtEnm7M
Tim
www.twothreeonetwomusic.com

[Just Drums]

Ahhhh...damnit. I thought I thought of something new.

;-)

[Tim Waterson]

Ahhhh...damnit. I thought I thought of something new.

;-)
Thes ideas have around longer than we have
Jim Chapin was teaching in the 40s
Tim

[SickRick]

Thes ideas have around longer than we have
Jim Chapin was teaching in the 40s
Tim

Yep. I was introduced to this exercise by my first teacher more than 12 years ago and he was introduced to it probably 30 years ago. So the idea is not that new.....

You can also try to play paradiddles (with all permutations), paradiddle-diddles (with permutations) or double-paradiddles over it.

If you need more challange, you can also try out stickings in 7 over that (RLRLRLL). Actually, once you've got it down, it is quite easy and more drummers that you might think about use this stuff.

Talk about Bill Steward.......

[Just Drums]

I hear Master Studies II does a lot of this type of stuff. I worked out of Master Studies (I) many years ago. I ought to try the sequel....especially since it's sitting out on my floor. -)