No One Knows Fills

[groovemaster_flex]

Man, that Dave Grohl guys is a jerk XD
My drum teacher recommended that I play along to the song "No One Knows" to practice my chops around some of the fills.
So there I was sitting in my basement, grooving along to the song, playing the small 16th triplet fills that pop up here and there around the main groove.
Then BAM!
The chorus hit.
One crazy fill after the other.
The first two fills are pretty easy.
Triplet between the tom and snare for the first one.
Kinda like...

t| -o-o---o-o---o-o---ooo---
s| ----ooo---ooo---ooo---ooo
Triplets. Yeah?
THEN.
The second fill.
Triplets again.
Crash.
Triplet with an eighth at the end.
Crash.
Etc...

THEN.
The third fill.
I was at a complete loss as to what he was doing.
I read somewhere that the third fill was all 16ths or something like that.
But it doesn't sound like it.
How am I supposed to play that?

[Mook]

I had the same problem, it's actually not hard to play at all - the drum sound actually makes it sound like he's playing 5's on the snare followed by the tom but having asked the same question on here & watching Dave play it on you tube I've discovered it's 4's - it's really just a quick triplet rlr followed by a left, then move on to the mounted tom, then back to the snare & so on.

[SickRick]

I had the same problem, it's actually not hard to play at all - the drum sound actually makes it sound like he's playing 5's on the snare followed by the tom but having asked the same question on here & watching Dave play it on you tube I've discovered it's 4's - it's really just a quick triplet rlr followed by a left, then move on to the mounted tom, then back to the snare & so on.


ermmm..... this type of reply is what happens, when someone without transcribing experience is trying to explain a fill that he/she can play but hasn't really understood. Mook: Read your post as if you were the threadstarter - do you really think this is explaining anything? You mean the right thing, but explain it wrong.

OK, I'll give it a shot (in case you still don't understand I might fix a written out PDF transcription of that fill):

What he is doing here is a quite common fill idea based on a rudiment called the three stroke ruff which is just three consecutive strokes R-L-R or L-R-L. In this case, the first two notes are played as 32note triplets (twice as fast as the sixtuplets played earlier on), the third is a sixtuplet. After these three strokes he adds one more note which is only a sixtuplet.

So now you have two 32nd Triplets plus two 16th note triplets et voila - Fill is done (of course, it is played over and over and orchestrated to the toms).

Sticking is just very simple RL-R-L.




To approach this, you might want to try out the following: Play triplets with the sticking RRL over and over until it flows. Once you've got that, add another Left hand in between to two Right hands and you'll end up playing what is described above.

Good Luck.

[Mook]

A tad patronising methinks, let groovemaster decide for himself - that's the way the fill was explained to me & I understood it straight away.

If you know it's 4 strokes & can hear the song - it's faily straightforward IMO.

[SickRick]

You know: Just by saying "It's 4s you don't really explain it, do you? That just does not tell you anything about the note values, in fact, it might then be straight 16th notes or anything.

That is basically what I was trying to get across to you. No offense intended.

[Mook]

No offence taken. I maybe am not the best at explaining these things although I feel I understand the fill - playing-wise if not notationally.

[groovemaster_flex]

Wait...
I talked to my drum teacher.
And he's like...

Rr-L-R L

The RrLR being a triplet, the first note in the triplet being subdivided into two 16ths.
The final L being an 8th.
And he just goes back and forth between the snare and first tom.
Is that right?
It sounds kinda like what you guys were saying.

[reddrum]

I had the same question a while back and had some great answers

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18898

[groovemaster_flex]

I searched the forum for it, but I couldn't find anything.
I kept getting "Dave Grohl" and underrated drummers threads :S

[SickRick]

I searched the forum for it, but I couldn't find anything.
I kept getting "Dave Grohl" and underrated drummers threads :S

There is a Link in the answer. Just click it.

There is a picture of it - it is just as I told you, except that the guy used 8th triplets and 16th triplets, while I was talking about 16th and 32nd triplets.

[groovemaster_flex]

Lol, yeah, I know, I was referring to the fact that I searched before I posted the topic :)
Not that I couldn't find his link.

Anyways.
Are the fills during the solo the same stuff?
Or is there more stuff I've gotta learn?

[delliejonut]

It's a rudiment called a hereta, unofficially. Basically it's just 2 16ths, an 8th, an 8th, repeated. It would look like this.

RLR L RLR L RLR L RLR L or

(rl)R L (rl)R L (rl)R L (rl)R L

Have fun

[groovemaster_flex]

Oh cool, thanks.

It'd be cool if someone could post a sound byte of some of this rudiments.
:)
Thanks in advance to anyone who posts.