durability

[toolhead07]

hey guys, first off id like to say that i have no biases towards any direct brand and im open to all. with that said, im looking for some durable cymbals. i thought at first my technique was bad but then i saw how my old school zildjian(so old i dunno what series) has yet to crack for quite a few years now. i was wondering what you guys think are some great durable cymbals that don't sound like a gong or a chunk of metal. trying to stay away from z-customs(not a fan), aax metal-x, and the other ridiculously heavy cymbals. any experiences/opinions would be appreciated.

[teejcombos]

so what kinda cymbals have you cracked, if any?
my sabian aa medium crash has held up fine, and i used to totally smash the thing. the edges are fine, no dents or nicks or cracks or anything. plus it sounds real nice to me.

[toolhead07]

so what kinda cymbals have you cracked, if any?
my sabian aa medium crash has held up fine, and i used to totally smash the thing. the edges are fine, no dents or nicks or cracks or anything. plus it sounds real nice to me.

they were real junky sheet cymbals. one was a zildjian zbt and the other was a real cheap paiste cymbal, i forget the series.

[Mr. Pasquini]

Just buy cast cymbals and you'll be fine. Sheet cymbals are junk

[drummerchick435]

Just buy cast cymbals and you'll be fine. Sheet cymbals are junk

I second that. I still have zbts but I am getting better ones in the near future. I just wear noise cancelling head phones and they make them sound halfway decent and my ears are protected!

[Mr. Pasquini]

It's funny, I've been drumming for like less time than anyone else here but I'm so obsessed with getting a good sound. I tuned my heads to sound great, I managed to get these stock clear Tama heads to sound bassy and nice even on a cheap set... I bought all nice cymbals because I can not STAND bad sounding cymbals. I'm a sick puppy but I'm a happy puppy.

[The Ploughman]

I used the same Paiste 2002s for 25 years.

I played K Customs for 3 years. Really nice cymbals, even for K Customs, they were nice. I just sold them all, and bought a brand new set of Paiste 2002s. I like the sound. And then theres the Signature line........ Lovely Plates.

[maddrummr]

Most good cymbals should not crack if you play them right.

But if it does im sure you could get a few bucks out of it and save for a new one.

[Skitch]

The Sabian HHX Evolutions are made using what they are terming "buttersoft technology" which allows the cymbal to flex but not break. But all cymbals are going to flex.


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[bighaibigdrums]

Heavy/thick cymbals crack easier than thin ones.

[thumper]

I play a mixture of Sabian HH, AA , Signature, XS20, and a 22" Zildjian K ride, as well as a battered, but trusty 16" Wuhan, and I haven't had any problems with cracks or splits. I am not a heavy metal drummer, but I do tend to hit freakin' hard (at times) on my cymbals. Give them enough "free play" on the stands,cushion them with felt washers and strike them with a sideways stroke (as opposed to dead on), and they will last you a long time..

[toolhead07]

I used the same Paiste 2002s for 25 years.

I played K Customs for 3 years. Really nice cymbals, even for K Customs, they were nice. I just sold them all, and bought a brand new set of Paiste 2002s. I like the sound. And then theres the Signature line........ Lovely Plates.

paiste sigs are great cymbals but they are really really expensive. im pretty sure they are the top of the line when it comes to paiste. they looked a bit thin but ive seen some guys smash and them seem to hold up. they would fall into what im looking for but too expensive.

[the skin man]

Sheet cymbals are junk

Pretty much all of the professional Paistes made after the 602s and the Sound Creations were discontinued were sheet cymbals and most of them aren't junk. The only ones they're making now that aren't sheet cymbals are the new 20 series.

[the skin man]

The Sabian HHX Evolutions are made using what they are terming "buttersoft technology" which allows the cymbal to flex but not break.

Where did you hear the term "buttersoft technology"?

[The Ploughman]

"Expensive" is a very relative term. And I know how hard it is to come up with that kind of cash. I just spent a thousand dollars on the Paiste 2002s, which I financed through the sale of the K Customs. And I liked the K Customs. I would have kept them if not for the expense of getting the 02s. I had 3 rides, 2 crashs, hats, splash. New price on those was 2000.00. I had nowhere close to that amount in them. My sale price was within a few dollars of my investment. I was happy to get that for them, and it was an excellent deal for the two people that bought them. So, buy wisely, a brand new cymbal from the local mom and pop music store, is probably not going to be the best price. Use ebay, shop craigslist. Buy things close enough you can hear them before you buy them, and you can know something about where they are coming from. Then, take care of them. They will last, whether they are Zildjian, Sabian, or Paiste.
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[Wavelength]

It's funny, I've been drumming for like less time than anyone else here but I'm so obsessed with getting a good sound. I tuned my heads to sound great, I managed to get these stock clear Tama heads to sound bassy and nice even on a cheap set... I bought all nice cymbals because I can not STAND bad sounding cymbals. I'm a sick puppy but I'm a happy puppy.

You're not alone. When I started drumming, my first set of cymbals were A Customs...

[Wavelength]

Where did you hear the term "buttersoft technology"?

From his a**, I believe. :) But I like the term, and "buttery" is a common word to describe a very loose, wobbling cymbal, for example the thin Bosphoruses (Bosphorii?-).

[Skitch]

Where did you hear the term "buttersoft technology"?

From a Modern Drummer article, May 2005. I beleive when they revisited Sabian and talked about what Sabian was up to with the Paragon line, the Evolutions, and the forthcoming Vault line. I could be wrong about the exact date of the issue, March, April, May, or June of 2005.


Mike

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[Skitch]

From his a**, I believe. :) But I like the term, and "buttery" is a common word to describe a very loose, wobbling cymbal, for example the thin Bosphoruses (Bosphorii?-).



From a Modern Drummer article, May 2005. I beleive when they revisited Sabian and talked about what Sabian was up to with the Paragon line, the Evolutions, and the forthcoming Vault line. I could be wrong about the exact date of the issue, March, April, May, or June of 2005.


Mike

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http://www.dominoretroplate.com

http://www.youtube.com/drummermikemccraw
http://www.myspace.com/drummermikemccraw

[Tetley]

From his a**, I believe. :) But I like the term, and "buttery" is a common word to describe a very loose, wobbling cymbal, for example the thin Bosphoruses (Bosphorii?-).

tactful, respectful, and patient. great post. honestly...

[Big_Philly]

Heavy/thick cymbals crack easier than thin ones.

Is that true? Intuitively I'd say that thick cymbals are stronger and will last longer. I have a set of paiste's and a wuhan, I sometimes am afraid I'll knock through that wuhan but never wory about my paiste's.

Speaking of Paiste's: My oldest one is a nearly 20-year old Sound Formula (from the first sound formula line), and looks and works awesome. I also have a 302-ride (sounds simply fantastic for such a low-end ride), I've been playing that for over 7 years and still it's in mint condition. My conclusion is that Paiste's are very durable.

[punkdrummer1]

I was checking out the new sabian catalogue the other day. Looks like alot of the Neil Peart Paragon cymbals are thick, and sound really good. The ride is extra heavy, and i've tried it, and it sounds amazing!!!!!!!!

[bighaibigdrums]

[QUOTE=Big_Philly;306369]Is that true? Intuitively I'd say that thick cymbals are stronger and will last longer. I have a set of paiste's and a wuhan, I sometimes am afraid I'll knock through that wuhan but never wory about my paiste's.

QUOTE]

Generally speaking yes its true. Thin cymbals tend to bend more than crack.

[teejcombos]

The only ones they're making now that aren't sheet cymbals are the new 20 series.

really? i don't know much about paiste cymbals but i highly doubt this.