Switch to Paiste?

[MetalToDeath]

To me, as a drummer, progression and dynamics are important. With that in mind, i was thinking of switching to a whole new brand of cymbals, Paiste. Ther seem to have more reasonable prices than Zildjian, so i want to get some, here are my questions.


Hi-Hats that bite but don't nibble your ears?

Ride that has a firm presence to it, but with few overtones?

Crashes that can pierce, but don't cry when being hit hard?

A china that has a very trashy sound, with a firm attack?


Some suggests please.

[ahum]

More reasonable prices than Zildjian? Not what I've seen. Paiste's high-ends are pretty dang pricy, but they do sound really good and many of their cymbals have a unique sound. I think you can find what you want in their catalog. They have a wide range of cymbals.

[Big_Philly]

You should check out the paiste website, their sound samples are pretty good. I recommend their signature line, or signature reflectors maybe, they are very versatile. If you're specifically into metal you should get Rudes.

[crazyhorse]

Yea... high end Paistes aren't any cheaper than anything else...

[MetalToDeath]

^^^^^^^^^ I know, but when i say "reasonable", i mean how good they sound for their prices. The Power Bell Ride blows me away compared to like the Constantinoples, and for the price? Man....

[crazyhorse]

Oh don't get me wrong... I play Paiste Signatures and Sound Formulas... Absolutely love them but they're anything but inexpensive I'm afraid. Wish they were cheaper so I could fill out my set of them more. Some people see the 502's, etc and think they're getting a cymbal that's a lot cheaper when it's just a lower end cymbal in the line up. Personally I don't think you can go wrong but if you switch do it for the sound, not the name.

[driver]

The guy must have a fact or two to back up Paiste being cheaper where he lives (on a good uk website 2002s are cheaper than A customs and Sigs are about the price) Try the sound samples to get the right ideas. The dark crisp sig hats are amazing!

[Skitch]

Why switch? To me this implies that you are getting rid of your cymbals to get the Paistes. Just add to what you have from the Paiste catalog.


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[MetalToDeath]

I probably did jump to conclusions when i said they were cheaper. I'm switching because my Tama has ZBTs on it, P.O.S. for sure. When i go to Guitar Center and i try the Zildjians and Paistes, Zildjian just to me sounds like i've heard it before, nothing truly unique to me, and then i tried some Paistes, and they truly sound unique to my ears, and contemplating the wide range of standard cymbals and special effects, i just thought it would be a good idea to swing towards those. I just like the sound.

[hateplow]

I have always been a Paiste guy. When I switched to a new kit, I decided to get some Zildjian cymbals to switch it up a bit. Zildjians are a pretty good deal pricewise. I use A Custom crashes and New beat hats, but I had to stay with Paiste rides and chinas.
I guess my point is you can mix and match and then decide what works for you. Then you can sell your old Zildjians on ebay!

[JoeyWaters]

I switched from Zildjian to Paiste about 5 years ago and have never looked back. As far as your cymbal questions I would say:

2002 Heavy hats or Sound Edge
Signature Dry Heavy Ride
Signature Power Crash
Signature Thin China

What style of music? Sorry if you already said that and I just forgot.

[crazyhorse]

You musta missed his handle... lol "MetalToDeath"

He needs to buy my power signature hats... those things would be perfect for heavy playing but after hearing them recorded last night they just don't suit me.

[Class A Drummer]

I would not limit yourself to a single brand. I have a could sabians, a few zidljians, a paiste, and a wuhan cymbal. They all compliment each other nicely.

Go with what sounds good though, because its your decision.

[bonzolead]

^^^^^^^^^ I know, but when i say "reasonable", i mean how good they sound for their prices. The Power Bell Ride blows me away compared to like the Constantinoples, and for the price? Man....you're comparing two totally different types of cymbals constanoples are jazz type cymbals and are the most expensive Zildjians you can get.Zildjian A's and Paistes 2002 are simular in price have you priced a Paiste signatures lately?you're comparing apples to oranges.try to do a little more research.

Keep Swatting,
Bonzolead

[MetalToDeath]

^^^^^^ Ah, thanks for pointing that out to me. As for the cymbals, i might go with RUDE, they just sound frikin' awesome. But i'll definitely try out the 2002 and Signature stuff you suggested, thanks.

[The Ploughman]

How many cymbals do you break a year ? That could get expensive if you start buying thin crash cymbals. Rudes are more like manhole covers though.

[wonko the sane]

RUDEs do well for old school punk and metal. they're by no means paiste's better line of cymbals. if you wanna go paiste because of a superior sounding cymbal, i just don't think RUDE fits that description. they weren't made to be an amazing sounding cymbal.

this may start to sound like i'm a zildjian spokes person...that's not the case, i've just had a lot of experience with the brand...

zildjian does have some awesome sounding cymbals. you just have to find the ones that are right for what you're playing. for metal, compare zildjian's z customs to paiste's RUDE series. i like the z custom crashes a lot more...but other guys like RUDEs (one that comes to mind is dave silveria).

i think the perfect ride for metal is the A zildjian ping ride (brilliant finish). it sounds enormous, has a great bell sound, and you don't get much wash at all (especially when the sound mixes with a band...the few overtones it does have completely disappear). and the price point isn't too bad.

i don't know if zildjian still offers the "dynobeat" hi hats...but that was a pretty sweet set. it was a z custom bottom hat, and i think an A custom top hat. i don't remember exactly what the top hat was...anyway, they were some pretty interesting sounding hats. i liked them. but i think a good choice for heavy playing is the A custom projection hats. obviously from the name, they cut pretty good..and they have a nice tight/crisp sound.

any of zildjian's oriental series chinas are awesome, in my opinion (although some of sabians signature chinas are pretty flippin' awesome).



okay...having said all that, i think paiste makes some mean cymbals. they definately have a unique and incredibly musical sound. zildjian cymbals set the standard. their lines of cymbals are made to suit the style of music they make those lines for...and they acheive that goal perfectly. i see paiste as a company that makes cymbals more of individual taste. it may be more difficult to find the exact cymbal that you want, but it a lot easier to find a unique sound with that company. am i making sense?

hope i helped.

wonko

[bonzolead]

How many cymbals do you break a year ? That could get expensive if you start buying thin crash cymbals. Rudes are more like manhole covers though.If you know how to sweep a cymbal instead of going thru a cymbal and have no metal to metal contact between the cymbal stand and the cymbal you should never break them.


Bonzolead