Joey Jordison

[___madworld]

dont you think that he would be a lot better without the other two "percussionists" in slipknot?

[Dill X]

Those other two drummers/ percussionists in Slipknot are mostly there just for novelty. Really what do they do that really contributes the band?

[NUTHA JASON]

i've watched a couple of DVDs very carefully and you can't hear them at all. its all little joey and his roaring drums. love the white cymbals.


j

[Stu_Strib]

I saw Slipknot at OzFest last year, and they had more than 2 novelty drummers. It seems like 4 or 5 different guys were beating on 50 gallon drums for some reason.

[Colin]

Eh, Joey's not that great. I saw his solo on that DVD... it got boring after the first minute. All it was was double bass and rolls. All crowd-pleasers.

[stagecustom]

^^^ true, kinda of like Barker, I thought joey had background in jazz, i would love to see him play some jazz tunes

[Sticksman]

The song "Danger - Keep Away" at the end of their third album has blues-y/ jazz sounding drums, and he actually does a decent job of it. Other than that, he's just an above-average metal drummer, and not much more.

[SpiderPine]

Well, my friend had the experience of hanging with joey during a soundcheck, and got to stand beside him while he was playing his kit for the soundcheck. According to him, Joey plays the blast beat stuff...yeah, it works for his music. But he also said that he busts out tons of other things...such as funky grooves. My friend isnt one to glorify things, so I beleive him, and I could see Joey doing that as well. I really enjoy his drumming.

[pRoNZ4]

dont you think that he would be a lot better without the other two "percussionists" in slipknot?

Slipknot isn't about the individual talent. They use all of the members of their band because they want that sound. The atmosphere at their shows is crazy, and he doesn't use the two other percussionists (Chris and Shaun) in every song. Very often they are there just to accent his double bass grooves.

I think that Joey has enough sense to know to put out an individual CD if he wanted to sound better.

[insane drummer]

I never did like Slipknot much... Joey's style gets the job done, that is about all I will say. He is a good drummer, I just don't like the style.

[kenzo]

i love slipknot, and joey jordison is one of the best metal drummer to day, i have seen him live at in denmark, parken. when they was a suport band for MetallicA.. He was realy COOL

[Smoky_McPot]

Joey is an excellent drummer. Just because his Disasterpiece solo was all crowd pleaser doesnt mean he cant actually play anything else! Also the two percussionists do know how to play drums, listen to The Blister Exists of their latest cd. I saw them at Big Day Out (Australia) and watched them play rudiments on their snares! I mean hey, why knock them? Should there be 3 drumkits in Slipknot?? :P

[Anchein Vouivra]

I think Joey is the only musician of Slipknot. The rest is just uninteresting. And these guys just spread out real nonsense lyrics full of absurd hatred, this freaks me off much more than any other kind of band (except Nazi Oï). I mean, how many very young kids are hooked on this.
I also feel that with Slipknot you get insulted a whole show by a guys knowing nothing better than to give you the finger...............Pathetic. Joey is the only piece of highlight in this mess.

[medeskisoul]

I hope this Joey Thread isn't going to end up like the other one on the last forum.

My two cents:

I like Joey. Super nice guy and he does have chops, just not the most in the world. He isn't the greatest, but he isn't the worst. Bottom line; he gets the job done. he works for Slipnot.

[Stu_Strib]

I hope this Joey Thread isn't going to end up like the other one on the last forum.

My two cents:

I like Joey. Super nice guy and he does have chops, just not the most in the world. He isn't the greatest, but he isn't the worst. Bottom line; he gets the job done. he works for Slipnot.

So what you are saying is he doesn't deserve the lavish praise he gets for being a gimmicky drummer in a gimmicky band? Oh wait, no , sorry, that's what I'm saying.

;-)

stu

[carpediem930]

In repsonse to those who say that the other two percussionists don't lend much, it is true they are often for show, but there are certain times where you don't really notice them as they are pounding away on the drums, adding a backing heaviness that can be hard to place. Take the song Surfacing. When the singer is singing the chorus, they are providing a steady beat in the background. Not highly noticeable at first, but the subtlety increases the heaviness of the band. My 2 cents.

[thinkintriplets]

Joey isnt at all a bad drummer. I think he just gets smashed a lot because he is in a highly publicized band, and a lot of the younger crowd havent had the 'experience' of discovering other durmmers yet.

I mean, if Slipknot is all that you hear and you love it, of course its going to be amazing to you.

My advice to those people who really like metal, and really like Joey is to listen to some MORE metal and some MORE metal drummers! Get a taste before making these calls about him being the BEST metal drummer.

Marc.

[LiquidSoul546]

yeah, i have a "drummer" friend, hwo used to love joey, till he got into hardcore, and heard francis mark (excellent drummer), now he hates him...but that's just him bein ignorant. and now he likes some underground drummer that is just terrible. so choose wisely before you rave about someone.
peace

[melo]

haha, my friend is obsessed with him. she showed me this aweosme video where he drums while he and his kit are like spinning around and upsidedown and stuff... freaking crazy man. yeah, i think the other two are just friends they didn't want to leave out of the band. :D

[LordQuas]

Well, I think he's a very good drummer. At least, he is my favourite drummer. The two percussionists are for setting accents in the music which can't be done by Joey.
I think there are better drummers in the world, but Joey is not only a drummer. He also plays guitar and writes the songs. In this aspect he's one of the best.

[XNIRVANAX]

lmao i agree with the friends thing like he guys need a job? haha well yeah joey is one of the most respected metal drumerms out there and ibelieve he wonan award for fastest feet in there hometown or maybee another city i forget

[LordQuas]

He is in the guiness book for fastest drummer, if you can believe wikipedia.de

[LordQuas]

I think when you talk about Joey, you must see the whole Slipknot thing. This guys do incredible shows and many people only see Slipknot when they talk about Joey. He as a drummer is very good, but not the best. But when you see this whole Slipknot thing and how perfect they work together it's just awesome.

[Cornholio]

i like very much this drummer, i've seen he last summer in tour with metallica and it was great

[darkcherryfade]

Wasn't Buddy Rich the first to do the rotating upside-down stage thingy?

[Superlow]

Wasn't Buddy Rich the first to do the rotating upside-down stage thingy?

You are correct.



http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/buddyrichflying.html

[Stu_Strib]

WOW! I've ALWAYS considered Buddy Rich the first "Joey Jordison" or "Travis Barker". Let me ellaborate.

First, I don't know enough of his music to say he's the greatest or worst drummer ever, but what I have seen and heard:

1- He was the original flashy drummer (and this upside-down drumming clip takes the cake)
2- He had amazing fast chops
3- He lacked taste from time to time, but was still always really 'cool'
4- He couldn't read music
5- He was always the drummer non-drummers were most impressed with

So I wonder. If drummerworld.com were around 50 years ago, would someone post a thread saying how much "Buddy Rich RULEZ!" heheh (oh man, I kill me sometimes)

stu

[finnhiggins]

I like some of his stuff. I've never heard him solo so can't comment there, but I had their first CD until I had about 200 CDs stolen a few years back and I recall there being some quite tasty grooves on a few tracks - open/closed hi-hat patterns against quick single bass drum stuff with ghost notes interspersed. I thought that was quite nice for a metal drummer at the time. Can't check now though...

[finnhiggins]

Well, somebody else mentioned Kenneth Shalk in another so I went off to find my Candiria CD and lo and behold... I actually found my Slipknot CD, not stolen at all. I obviously just never felt the urge to listen to it :)

Most of his metal/double kick/toms stuff is competent but not really that impressive by genre standards. It's certainly nothing like as terrifying as Gene Hoglan on the new Strapping Young Lad album, for example. But I stand by liking some of the stuff he does on his grooves:

There's a bit on "Liberate" (I think? No case, just a CD) at around 0:35 where he breaks out quite a tasty groove with an off-beat hi-hat and lots of alternation between the kick and snare. That would work quite well in a non-metal context, it's got a sort of techno/disco/breakbeat kind of a feel about it which is quite funky. Maybe he should go play dance music instead?

The music really, really sucks though. It's not even as funny as Disturbed, there's no hilarious being-beaten-up-by-his-mother sounds out of the singer. I want a refund...

[The_Nameless]

ive heard a few negative things about joey and me personally think he is a very very very good drummer mabye even the best there ever is but allot of people are saying that he isnt very good well to me he is good because he can do triplets with demi semi quavers and i dunno if there is a person that can beat that but to me if he can do that he sounds like the best drummer there is 2 me (atached i have a link to a clip of him doing a drum solo)joey drum solo (http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/joeyjordison.html)

[Drummer_Boy]

ive heard a few negative things about joey and me personally think he is a very very very good drummer mabye even the best there ever is but allot of people are saying that he isnt very good well to me he is good because he can do triplets with demi semi quavers and i dunno if there is a person that can beat that but to me if he can do that he sounds like the best drummer there is 2 me (atached i have a link to a clip of him doing a drum solo)joey drum solo (http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/joeyjordison.html)

Well, first he isn't, and probably never will be the best drummer ever. I personally like him a lot, and he does have one hell of a foot, but calling him the best, no way. About the triplets with demi semi quavers thingy...most people probably couldn't do that. But, that doesn't make him the best. As I like to put it, it makes him different. ;)

[Elemental Nausea]

I mostly agree with what lord quas said...hardly anyone says joey is the best drummer ever I think, but there are many who say he is the best metal drummer, this is true.Well he is a bit more than a drummer, but many good drummers have skills apart from their drumming, because he plays guitar pretty well and writes a lot of songs. His double bassing is very good, but still there are of course faster drummers today, but he is doing a great job in slipknot, nice fills, creative grooves(e.g. "duality"is pretty cool) and he is surely one of the most important and most influential drummers in modern metal. His performance in "show aspects" is very great as well I think, and what he has built up together with slipknot.
but eventually you cannot call him the best drummer, noone really deserves this title I think, also not the best metal drummer, at least not in technical aspects

[NUTHA JASON]

great joey poster free in this month's rhythm magazine. also loads of down load festival stuff.

j

[silver_one_drummer127]

Come on guys you have to tell me what you think of Joey '18 legs' Jordison i person ally think hes one of the best rock drummers of our time with a fantastic strong technique.

[Jaymasta]

Joey Jordison Is a sick drummer but I think Chris Adler is better you might not have seen him play out of lamb of god but if you ever do It's really impressive I just don't like his choice of cymbals for some reason I hate those cymbals arrgghh...

[toteman2]

I also am one who also thinks he fits into the band very well...I not really a Slipknot fan at all, but I'll listen here and there...As far as the video goes, countless drummers have been doing those riffs at that speed for ages...Mike Portnoy does that stuff all the time...It was just mostly those hand foot combos over and over...

[LordQuas]

i've watched a couple of DVDs very carefully and you can't hear them at all. its all little joey and his roaring drums. love the white cymbals.


j


Live you can't hear them properly, but on the albums you really feel them.

[finnhiggins]

I would like to see Joey Jordison on a four piece drumset. He thrieves on eight and nine pieces. He needs a large drumset with a double bass. People would have a completely different perception of him if he used a four piece. This would prove just how mediocur he is.

Personally I think he's a lot better when he ditches all the tom crap and just plays kick/snare/hats. He's got quite good co-ordination and can groove when he tries, he just spends too much of his time trying to play like Gene Hoglan when he obviously can't...

[LordQuas]

This is all I hear from Slipknot fans. They say Slipknot is the greatest band ever and Joey Jordison is the greatest drummer ever. He is not even close to the greatest drummer ever. I will as bold as to say he is a mediocore drummer. All he does is tasteless roles and crowd pleasers. A large amount of Slipknot fans are ignorant to the world of drums. And they prefur it that way. They refuse to listen to other drummers or consider another drummer better. He is not the greatest drummer. He is not even the best metal drummer. While he is a fast drummer, that is not the most important part of drums. After all, drummers are timekeepers. Not speed machines. I would like to see Joey Jordison on a four piece drumset. He thrieves on eight and nine pieces. He needs a large drumset with a double bass. People would have a completely different perception of him if he used a four piece. This would prove just how mediocur he is.

He's got the technique. He has practised his drumming a lot and now he can earn the fame for it. Many Slipknot fans are ignorant towards other music and I must say I like Slipknot very much and the main credit they get is for their show. See Slipknot as a whole thing and not the musicians for themselves.
I like Joey, but he is not the best drummer (as I said many times before.....). To me, he is as good as Ahmir Thompson or Chris Pennie. They are all good musicians and great Producers.

Edit: @ largo61: You don't need a great kit to be good, but it gives a good drummer a lot of opportunity's, doesn't it??!

[largo61]

He's got the technique. He has practised his drumming a lot and now he can earn the fame for it. Many Slipknot fans are ignorant towards other music and I must say I like Slipknot very much and the main credit they get is for their show. See Slipknot as a whole thing and not the musicians for themselves.
I like Joey, but he is not the best drummer (as I said many times before.....). To me, he is as good as Ahmir Thompson or Chris Pennie. They are all good musicians and great Producers.

Edit: @ largo61: You don't need a great kit to be good, but it gives a good drummer a lot of opportunity's, doesn't it??!

What I ment with that is he is using his large set to play a bunch of crowd pleasers. First of all the crowd is amazed at his set. Half the people I hear that says he is great talk at length about how his drumset looks great (which it does). The other half talk about how fast he is on toms. If he scaled down his set he couldn't use the crowd pleasers to such an insane degree. He would be known as a drummer with good funimentals and a decent jazz background. Not the greatest thing to happen to drums( Many slipknot fans think so). This is not however limited to Slipnkot fans. I hear the same with Blink 182 fans(Travis Barker) and Green Day fans (Tre Cool). These are just decent drummers that are concidered great because of their bands emence success.

[Thunder Of Drums]

It was joeys idea that the band needed three percussionists, but yeah in my opinion the other two are pretty much just for the show (like the masks and jumpsuits) These two just add some extra low end punch to joeys sound because hes a relatively light drummer...and you know...they hit kegs and stuff

[Jim]

Not a big Slipknot fan, I like my music heavier. BUT, Joey's pretty tight. He's obviously got his thirtytwo's nailed and can roll fluidly.
Apparently Joey plays jazz as well. With or without the mask I wonder? Whatever the case, Joey is right for the band. His drumming completes their sound, Chris and Sean are there to add punctuation, as well as for the showmanship.

[LordQuas]

Not a big Slipknot fan, I like my music heavier. BUT, Joey's pretty tight. He's obviously got his thirtytwo's nailed and can roll fluidly.
Apparently Joey plays jazz as well. With or without the mask I wonder? Whatever the case, Joey is right for the band. His drumming completes their sound, Chris and Sean are there to add punctuation, as well as for the showmanship.


Thank you, finally someone who agrees my opinion!!

[JohnMunsey]

I dont know much about Joey Jordison, but I heard he does 9's with his feet or something like that?

[C.M. Covais]

This happens in every generation. In the sixties, people who knew practically nothing about music, and only liked pop music, thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world. "The Beatles are the best and Ringo is the greatest drummer in the world"

Now it's Joey Jordison and Slipknot.

[Jaymasta]

Hes one of the fastest metal drummers around today according to a magazine

[PigPen]

kind of... but it adds volume and sound to the drumming. Joey's drumming is off the hook and if I could have any drummer's powers it would definitely be his...

One question I have, anybody know which bass heads Joey uses? Or which bass heads are the best? I keep breakin mine... any methods on helping the head live longer? Thanks

[darkcherryfade]

So, where is all this alleged jazz drumming of Joey's? Everyone's mentioned that he plays the stuff, but no one has cited any examples.

[maggot]

the only co-drummers you can hear are the kegs and that part in the blister exists with just the snare drum rhythm is by the co-drummers

[jonathan]

i think it´s somthing different they do other things than joey but i especially love his drumming style i think i great knows how to use effect cymbals

[DrumNut]

Does Joey do drum clinics?

[Jaymasta]

Does Joey do drum clinics?
No............................ Just Answering your question Mabey he will do one some day

[CartersChops]

Sure, I can't play like Joey and I like to be able to, and sure, he is a good drummer. But then you put him up against Nick Barker and Flo Mournier.. and.. well...

110% agreed. Unfortunately due to the harsh nature of black metal, the drummers get overlooked by the "drum masses", while more popular mainstreem bands like slipknot appeal to the drumming industry because it gives a popular example of a genre that is sadly, in some cases, overlooked.

[DoubleBassUrFace]

anyone like him, when i first started playing, he was my biggest influence, but, now, alotta of other drummers are, including jordin m. from as i lay dying. the double bass is what i suck at, but it is my passion. they both rock the db. anyways, who here thinks hes good? or is he too.... "simple"?

[NaturalRaz]

anyone like him, when i first started playing, he was my biggest influence, but, now, alotta of other drummers are, including jordin m. from as i lay dying. the double bass is what i suck at, but it is my passion. they both rock the db. anyways, who here thinks hes good? or is he too.... "simple"?

IMO anyone that can keep a steady DB is worth mentioning even if you don't like his style.

[W.O.A.]

Well..alot people in there dont even know wut Joey can do...

First, he is not a bad drummer (well...some people on this page even told that he suck...well, play like him, judge after). He is by far not my favorite drummer and cant be compare for sure to alot of godly drummer like Berzerker, Cryptopsy, Hate Eternal, Satyricon, Quo Vadis, etc., but dont forget that he isn't only a drummer.
He write songs for slipknot with Paul. He write songs too for Murderdolls (who is one of the suckiest band out there..my opinion.) and he play guitar in that band (well, most guitarist like me will tell u that wut he play in that band is a joke...12 kid can play stand up ...). But when u put all that together, u have a nice complete musician. Finally, i found his drum solo on Disasterpiece great, not the best, but nice to see it live. Well...i think i talked enough..

[(sic)]

my joey jordison forum (http://s2.phpbbforfree.com/forums/index.php?mforum=joeyjordisonboa)

[A thunder of Coxy]

Hey Sic seems like your from Warrington ha ha fancy that Im just down the road in Widnes, how long youbeen playing?Joey Jordison erm I went through a stage when I was younger where I believed he was amazing but after REALLY listening to him and watching him at live gigs I got bored of him and his technique. Im not bashing him he is good and I havent heard him outside of the band. I now listen to alot more different music and types of drummers which im certain improves ye playing immensley.

[gingermagic]

OK

Joey Jordison should be one of the top hundred drummers BECAUSE of his popularity. Do you see nile, or archenemy, or meshuggah in the spotlight? NO, of course you dont, because they are obscure. Joey deserves what he has because he did something different to all the other drummers and got famous by doing it (yes Funk/Rap/Mallcore metal was different once). Now, many people can do what he does better than him, and that makes them awesome technilogical drummers, but not particularly interesting drummers, which is why so many metal drummers(and bands) are still in the obscure backwaters of the music business. Joey was new and unique once, and changed metal drumming quite a bit. There is only one metal drummer at the same fame level as him that is better than him, and that is adrian erlandsson(my best friend met him at drummer live and went cymbal shopping with him). But even then, I dont see non-metallers talking about how much they hate cradle of filth, I only see them talking about how much they hate slipknot, which must mean something if complete strangers to the genre know all of the names of the slipknot members. In conclusion, Joey did something that was awesome and got his band famous for it. People try exactly the same things, but are still cursed with obscurity and b-list fame.

Slipknot are good, joey is good

Dennis C, Virgil D and Adrian E are all better tho

[KingChaos]

Joey has a distinct style that is uncommon to many drummers. Not only is he super fast, it seems he has an awesome feel for the drums. I look up to him not only as a drummer but also because he is the biggest influence on Slipknot in terms of creativity. I think he is one of those few musicians who are born with a musical ability; his style is very unique.

[Whitey]

To be honest with you all, I dont have any dilusions about him being the greatest drummer ever. He is my favorite drummer though. His style appeals to me, and obviously alot of other people otherwise his name wouldnt stir up so much drama on the boards.

I dont believe he has done anything revolutionary for the drumming community, but everyone has their own taste and opinions about drumming. Some of you die hard death metal fans have an anurism when someone praises what Jordison has done with his drumming. But come on if you think about it what has he really done? ...He has found a style of drumming that has appealed to a large portion of people, if thats not a way to gauge your success as a drummer then I dont know what is. I dont see how it matters if you can play 32, 64 or 128. If you can only find a handfull of people that enjoy the music you make, regardless of your skill in doing it. then how "Good" are you?

Like I said im not going to run around screaming he is the best ever, but I like him.

Whitey

[NUTHA JASON]

this is a good post. and i agree with the whole sentiment. why are people soooooooo concerned about the exact ranking of a great drummer? who cares who's best? is there even such a position. joey fits nicely into the top fifty drummers of his genre. that's all that is important. the rest is all childish squabbling.


j

[wowzer77]

Joey Jordison, the drummer of SlipKnoT, is incredible of course. He is why I decided to play heavy metal instead of punk. I went to a Knot concert in march and the vertical spinning solo is amazing to see first-hand.

[Bonham to the moon]

well the simple fact that he uses triggers on his drums makes him a joke, you have no idea how much of the groove he is actually playing.

[wowzer77]

I have seen many videos of joey jordison playing drums in the studio and live...he plays awesome... And by the way, what do you mean " he uses triggers "? Not familiar with this term.

[DogBreath]

well the simple fact that he uses triggers on his drums makes him a joke, you have no idea how much of the groove he is actually playing.
Wow, I'm sure that the majority of pro drummers will be interested to learn this.

[NUTHA JASON]

well the simple fact that he uses triggers on his drums makes him a joke, you have no idea how much of the groove he is actually playing.

first of all triggers arelike mics in that they are involved with sound.joey is ensuring his drums sound mean at every venue and so will i eventually go this way, heck a huge portion of pro drummers do this anyway. it is no indication at all that this is a lack of skills. i'm surprised at this post from you. i tell you in myopinion, Bonham would have used triggers were he alive today. listen to the timps on his 'montreaux'. triggers just combine the sound of the drum to another drum sound making a newer meatier drum sound.

secondof all, if he is triggering loops (which i doubt), this still is not an indication of his drumming being a joke. playing to loops is exceptionally hard and a whole other skill. the greatest drummersdo it all the time...don't believe me?go and watch some dennis chambers vids.

thirdl, just watch joey play and listen. when the stick goes down there is sound. nothing inbetween to suggest he is cheating in any way. even if by somechance he was onlyplaying 80% of the groove i thinkl this would be impressive. in fact its far easier to be 100% in charge of the groove than to try and share it with a machine, especially during the mayhem of a slipnot concert. i'm not a fan of the band but i am a fan of drummers. don't bash what you don't understand

j

ps: sorry but i am in a mood today.

[Bonham to the moon]

well triggers can be used like a dualist pedal, when u hit the drum you can make it sound like u hit the drum more then one time, therefore not knowing how much of the drumming he is actually playing. I have no problem with triggers used as a away to add an effect, such as an echo, or sumthing else.

[NUTHA JASON]

even so let's say you programmed a trigger to make a double strike, it would take great skill and internal clocking to make the strikes fit in with the tempo structure of the song. on my roland kit there is a fun little kit called 'drum solo'. when you hit a tom once it fires four times rapidly. sometimes for fun i play it. to make a continuous single stroke roll takes some cool minded skill.

that said i very much doubt joey uses anything like this. i have read several articles and interviews on him and my roady is a huge fan. so i have seen nearly every slipknot DVD especially the ones with a joey cam. believe me he doesn't use double triggers etc.

j

[wowzer77]

I found a video of Joey unmasked messing around on his set. He doesnt use triggers. He plays a hundred percent. And what he is playing is complicated and fast. Besides, if he has been playing since he was thirteen, why are people constantly questioning his talent? Jealousy maybe? I'm not accusing anyone in particular but seriously, we could take any drummer and list what is bad about them. It doesnt accomplish anything. I'm sticking with my theory that Joey is awesome. And is one of the fastest Metal drummers I've heard. His songs arent repetitive either, he makes them interesting. Its more than just beats, its a real collage of sounds and rhythms.

[Bonham to the moon]

even so let's say you programmed a trigger to make a double strike, it would take great skill and internal clocking to make the strikes fit in with the tempo structure of the song. on my roland kit there is a fun little kit called 'drum solo'. when you hit a tom once it fires four times rapidly. sometimes for fun i play it. to make a continuous single stroke roll takes some cool minded skill.

that said i very much doubt joey uses anything like this. i have read several articles and interviews on him and my roady is a huge fan. so i have seen nearly every slipknot DVD especially the ones with a joey cam. believe me he doesn't use double triggers etc.

j

ill take your word for it, but triggers still rub me the wrong way

[toteman2]

I don't think he uses triggers to "add" notes not played...I'm not sure of any drummers that do that...However i know alot of people look down on drummers who use triggers (I personaly don't)...There reason being that the triggers give you the same dynamic of the note no matter how soft or hard you are playing...It used by many metal drummers because of the speed they are playing with the bassdrum...Playing 16th notes on the bass at 250 BPM and higher can take ALOT of volume away from the notes...You could be playing (mp) but triggers will make it sound like your playing (FFF) and all even...

[andresmazzei]

Hey guys! Just Check out the last Slipknot video "The Flameless" Shooted live here in Venezuela... Drums speak to save joey from all that has been said here... I think I have to work for 2 years to play that song right... "flameless... just Flawless drumming"

[Magic Maple]

Hes not the best drummer about (not by a long way) But he is a good drummer IMO. I Agree that drummers like donati, and Lang are way more skillful and technical but i still think hes good as a performer and drummer.

[Shutcory----->]

Joey its a good drummer but nobody's perfect...
I dont like his twin pedal "abuse", he can make something better but make a fast roll is not the most awesome performance I saw

[Shutcory----->]

Hey guys! Just Check out the last Slipknot video "The Flameless" Shooted live here in Venezuela... Drums speak to save joey from all that has been said here... I think I have to work for 2 years to play that song right... "flameless... just Flawless drumming"

When U start to work on your thechnique, rudiments, rolls, ect ect ect.... and youll be able to play a harder song.... concentrate on your mistakes, fix them and youll play better...
Practice is not all !!!!, but you cant up your skills if you stay playing songs....
Other thing.... all have their own preferences, but listen to diferent music and styles will not kill you....

[Bernhard]

Joey Jordison is a great drummer!!! YES, he is!!!! He does exactly, what the job calls for. Beside of this he's also a versatile jazz player, knowing his chops. Be sure!!!!

Bernhard

[zildjian_dude101]

I think Joey Jordison is an amazing drummer. His speed is incredible. Everything in his beats flow together so smoothly.

[ewanlaing]

i think what i like about joey jordisan is his attitude to music. he's in at least two or three bands, and in a rythm interview he said one of his drumming idols was rolling stones drummer charlie watts, which i thought was pretty cool. his life seems to be about music, and not image, which i stupidly used to think (didn't mean to use the word stupidly, but i don't know the correct spelling of nievely).

[Tutin]

For all you who like heavier music check out "Otep". Joey drums for them since they released their last album. I've been into them for about over a year now. It's pretty crazy stuff.

[KingChaos]

For all you who like heavier music check out "Otep". Joey drums for them since they released their last album. I've been into them for about over a year now. It's pretty crazy stuff.


That's pretty awesome, i never heard Otep's newer music except for "Warhead" (i think its called) i outta check it out..

[Thinshells]

I have seen the "Dvd disasterpieces" solo Joey did. It wasn't really nothing more than what I do for a warmup. If this is the extent of his soloing, I understand the criticisms. The solo doesn't show much in terms of chops, just some high speed double kick stuff. I know Joey could do better if he'd puts something togeather. The crowd cheered this stuff...

[the rich]

Hey, the guy has talent...

Sure, there are drummers out there who can do alot more in terms of chops, groove and general all round ability, but Joey is an excellent drummer and not only that, his style is pretty much unique as far as metal goes.

You automatically recognise his playing style and drum sound (especially with his snare) and that is something he can really feel he has achieved. Fair enough if you hate Slipknot or even if you don't dig Joey's drum tracks, but he has influenced ALOT of young drummers with his style of play and his more individual sound.

Indeed many drummers match and surpass him as far as speed is concerned and solo ability (look at the chops on JoJo Mayer for instance!), but Jordison is a solid, full article as far as the metal drumming is concerned (possibly more styles for all I know?). And he has honed his own little niche IMO.

[slasher8]

joey is a good drummer
just because he is in a band that is somewhat popular and people get obssesive doesn't nessecarily mean that he is or isn't A great drummer
I think Chris Adler and Flo would defininetly beat joey in a huge solo-off or something but joey has created his own style and feel
the other "drummers" in slipknot are mainly for novelty and to add a little more insanity to the stage but they do put out some heavy muff to back up what joey's doing
its true some people think he is the best drummer, but some people think travis barker id too which I hope most of you realize is completely untrue, but in the reverse just becuase hes not the best drummer and some poeple think he is doesnt make him any less skilled then he is

[Slayer_metal_head]

Okay well watch this vid (http://www.freefreevideos.com/item.php?id=19204) and then tell me he sucks.

[lfdy]

Okay well watch this vid (http://www.freefreevideos.com/item.php?id=19204) and then tell me he sucks.

Who said he sucks?

They just said there are better drummers :)

[Womble]

Just out of interest, and I realise this may be a dumb question, but have any of the Slipknot dudes ever been seen without their masks?? Does anyone know what they look like?

[cdawg_2010]

I think he looks just like an average person without his mask

[Symbolic]

joey is a good drummer
just because he is in a band that is somewhat popular and people get obssesive doesn't nessecarily mean that he is or isn't A great drummer
I think Chris Adler and Flo would defininetly beat joey in a huge solo-off or something but joey has created his own style and feel


I think Flo might be able to beat Joey however I dont think Chris Adler could. Joey is much more diverse than Chris Adler is. If you listen to anything that Chris Adler has done you can hear that there isnt much differnce. However if you listen to different things Joey has done, between Slipknot and his drumming on the Roadrunner United CD he is very diverse and skilled.

[Slayer_metal_head]

By the way he as no eyebrows because of a fire accident thats why he looks diffrent

[BURROWS™]

Joey Jordison is good drummer, hell of a fast. My friend seriously worships him, he has his slipknot mask, drum sticks, shoes...My friend seems to think he's better than the likes of John Bonham :| But, Joey is still a good drummer.

[john69green]

Check j.j. out on aol sessions.com They really get upclose and personal with the camera, He may not be the best, but hes pretty damn good If you ask me. And as far as his band Slipknot, It aint easy going multi platinum. If it was we would all have records on are wall.

[Bttl]

I hear you all talking about flo but there has not been one reason why he is a better drummer. Sure flo is a fast drummer but thats not what makes a drummer. Joey is creative with his double pedal work and does not just try and go as fast as he can for like the whole song. Just take a look at www.flomounier.com and look at his drum video sample and then tell me he is better than Joey, in my oppinion it is one of the worst solos i have seen. On the subject of solos why does everyone judge Joey by his disasterpieces solo, actually take some time to listen to his playing closely. I used to think Joey was an average drummer untill i actually listened closely to his playing and then he blew me away.

Someone also said about his jazz style. Listen to Slipknots Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat album. Tracks such as Do Nothing/Bitchslap and Confessions have jazzys styles.

Stop knocking the guy and actually give him a propper listen with an open mind. Also joey is not my favourite drummer so dont start going on about how i am just another joey wannabee or something

I used to be a cryptopsy fan so give Flo a listen for yourself, sure he is fast be in my oppinion he lacks the technical ability of alot of drummers out there.

[mediocrefunkybeat]

The reason I prefer Flo is because he demonstrates ruthless efficiency, at insane speed and in some very odd time signatures. I have all the respect for Joey; he is a very, very good drummer with some very good skills and a back catalogue to prove it (however much I actually despise Slipknot).

I just honestly think that Flo has more technical efficiency and technique. I'm sure Joey could do an admirable job at odd time signatures but has never *really* had the opportunity to expand into that particular facet of playing. Flo on the other hand has clearly demonstrated his ability.

[Bttl]

Please do recomend me a cryptopsy track where i can hear this.

[ErNeStIn_182]

Those 2 "drummers" in slipknot sometimes they are just jumping and doing stupid stuff on stage but sometimes they help..

Listen to duality,the blister exists or before i forget from the new album... they help a little bit in that songs..

I personally like joey as a drummer but gets boring sometimes his solos... he just does stuff with toms and double bass...

[mediocrefunkybeat]

Please do recomend me a cryptopsy track where i can hear this.

You can try most of their songs, but try 'Slit Your Guts' I don't know the album, but the song has some good drumming. There's just one example like it or loathe it.

[Symbolic]

I hear you all talking about flo but there has not been one reason why he is a better drummer. Sure flo is a fast drummer but thats not what makes a drummer. Joey is creative with his double pedal work and does not just try and go as fast as he can for like the whole song. Just take a look at www.flomounier.com and look at his drum video sample and then tell me he is better than Joey, in my oppinion it is one of the worst solos i have seen. On the subject of solos why does everyone judge Joey by his disasterpieces solo, actually take some time to listen to his playing closely. I used to think Joey was an average drummer untill i actually listened closely to his playing and then he blew me away.

Someone also said about his jazz style. Listen to Slipknots Mate.Feed.Kill.Repeat album. Tracks such as Do Nothing/Bitchslap and Confessions have jazzys styles.

Stop knocking the guy and actually give him a propper listen with an open mind. Also joey is not my favourite drummer so dont start going on about how i am just another joey wannabee or something

I used to be a cryptopsy fan so give Flo a listen for yourself, sure he is fast be in my oppinion he lacks the technical ability of alot of drummers out there.


Actually, Flo has alot of technical ability. But you make a good point that Joey is very underrated drummer because people know he is in Slipknot. I do find alot of Slipknot's drumming repetitive, but Joey's work out side of Slipknot is where he shines. He filled in for Frost (no easy job) on Satryicon's Volcano tour. Plus he is going to fill in as drummer on Ministry's next tour. But his work on Roadrunner United shows how talented and diverse Joey is.

[cdawg_2010]

By no means am i a fan of slipknot but i think that joey is a good drummer for his style of music. Also, if you think that the side drummers cant do anything, check out the song The Blister Exists because it has them playing some cool rudaments on the snare. I dont think you can say joey is a terrible drummer because he is good at metal and im sure he's influenced a lot of kids to play metal but if they can play his songs now, then there are gonna be some good drummers, but i dont think he is great like Gadd and Peart and all of them

[Bttl]

Personally i think that there are alot of people out there who judge drummers on their drum solos. In death or heavy metal normally this involves drummers showing off theis speed as this is what most people would want to see. I think this is because there are alot of people out there that wouldnt be impressed with jazz style drumming at metal gigs because they wouldnt understand what they were doing and the skill involved. I think this is the main reason why there are so many solos from the likes of Portnoy, Jordison, Flo etc where its mainly about speed rather than ability. Would be great to see all these guys paired up agains some jazz drummers to see what they could really do.

[Bttl]

wow just been listening to Roadrunner United. Give it a listen, some tracks have joey drumming and gees is it different from the normal Joey,. head over to www.roadrun.com/rrunited/ and listen to annihilation by the hands of god in the download section. thats more of a comparion point between Flo and Joey.

[Latin Groover]

Yea the other 2, huh they dont even need them, i watched aDVD of them carefully and like NJ couldnt hear them at all! They r only taking the others profits! But when a band is that big you cant really kick them out, or u can of course u can but its really hard i rekon, and they're prob all good mates. But if Joey used his drumming in other styles he would be one of my favs, cause hes just so good! So talented, i dont like metal, but i can just so easily appreciate wat he does to drumming.

[DanSN117]

He is up there with my favourite drummers.
Just watching him on the double bass is mesmirizing.
Has anyone seen the video of him perform Enter Sandman with Metalica, it shows that he isnt all about hard hitting (allthough not the best band to proove that.) Behind that mask is a very crafty drummer.
Dan

[Sticksman]

Joey actually did fill in for Lars Ulrich at a Metallica concert in Britain, funked_up. I think Lars had to be hospitalized in Germany for whatever health reasons, and since the rest of the guys didn't want to dissapoint 75,000 fans, they had Lars' drum tech, Dave Lombardo, and Joey Jordison fill in. It was supposed to be pretty cool, but I haven't seen any vids of them.
If someone has access to them, then post it please!

[Latin Groover]

Yea, please put them up. And what a great drummer to chose for a fill-in. When Slipknot played a show in melbourne not long ago there were all of the normal reps from radio stations there like normal, but when this guy went back to the radio station to sota talk about the show he said that when he was backstage (these ppl always have backstage acces don't they! Un-fair) he said he bumped into the lead singer corey taylor and Joey and they had their masks off and they just came up to him and in a real sort-of sqeaky, fast strong US accent said. "Yeeaa that was a real good show wasn't it. I thought it was pretty good show. What do you rekon. It was pretty good wasn't it." When i heard that on the radio i was pissing myself. But that just prooves that a mask can be very deceiveing.

By the way i did Not go to the show.

[ErNeStIn_182]

I got the vid and uploadede it, here you go



http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SG5KUK7Y

[DrewSchultz88]

One thing we all seem to agree on:
He's good at what he does. Maybe not the best, but good. He's popular because of it, and he pleases the crowd. Isn't that important, as an entertainer? He doesn't have to be a demi-godlike player. to be successful. Just give him some respect for making it by doing what he likes well.
Peace.
-Drew

PS
I hate Slipknot's music. But still, they need some props for being successful.

[Jalmar]

The reason I prefer Flo is because he demonstrates ruthless efficiency, at insane speed and in some very odd time signatures. I have all the respect for Joey; he is a very, very good drummer with some very good skills and a back catalogue to prove it (however much I actually despise Slipknot).

I just honestly think that Flo has more technical efficiency and technique. I'm sure Joey could do an admirable job at odd time signatures but has never *really* had the opportunity to expand into that particular facet of playing. Flo on the other hand has clearly demonstrated his ability.

You don't need to be ambivalent, Flourent is and will always be more effective than Jordison, faster, technical and even more flourishing.

Compare the latest record with Slipknot and compare it with Cryptopsys "Once Was Not". Flourent devastates Jordison.

[Bttl]

Cant see that myself. When i see flo fill in for as many bands as jordison has and when i find what Flo plays more entertaining then sure i will say what i hear but at the moment to be honest in my oppinion Flo doesnt do it for me as much as Jordison does. Obviously some people havent listened to a wide range of Joey's Playing. All i have heard from Flo is fast playing which i have also heard from possibly 20 or more drummers. The fact is who is more successfull? sure he is in Slipknot so people are gonna like him beacuse of that but what about people like Lombardo who would you say is best known Lombardo or Jordison?. Just think of how long those two drummer have been playing and work it out from there.

[pittsey]

Joey actually did fill in for Lars Ulrich at a Metallica concert in Britain, funked_up. I think Lars had to be hospitalized in Germany for whatever health reasons, and since the rest of the guys didn't want to dissapoint 75,000 fans, they had Lars' drum tech, Dave Lombardo, and Joey Jordison fill in. It was supposed to be pretty cool, but I haven't seen any vids of them.
If someone has access to them, then post it please!
haha joey said it was teh most boring thing hes ever done in his life

[rock_drummer91]

I don't really like Joey Jordison. He uses too much bass (in my opinion). I get a headache before I can finish a song.

[Jaymasta]

I like Watching him live but I'm not a very big Slipknot fan I just like Joey. There's nothing wrong with his solo's Any Slipknot fan would want to hear a hard bashing, Fast double bass all out fast solo.

[MrChillyWind]

If you ask me then i think joey is a very good drummer, i am a huge fan of slipknot so i've heard 'em alot. i am what they call a maggot although i've never been to a slipknot concert i've seen videos, listened to their music and he's a great speed drummer but uses bass to much, needs to use the snare a little more. with corey taylor's voice (singer) you can't really keep your attention on anything but the singing i dunno why. if you don't like heavy metal DO NOT listen to this band

The wind himself has spoken, cya.

[Ony]

I'm pretty partial to Joey because I started playing drums while I listened to Slipknot heavily. Because of that, he has been one of my main influences. I think he's got a lot more skill than what's just in his double-bass though. I'm far from an expert, but I believe Joey has got some great chops/grooves and what he plays goes with each song very well.

[zildjian_dude101]

I agree dude. JOEY IS AMAZING!!!! FACE IT!!!! He's fast, creative, fast......... and fast! Plus he has a cool mask and a great setup.

[pinkdaffodil]

Hmm...Have to admit, (judging only from the slipknot stuff I have heard, and from the concert I went to), I am not impressed. I have seen so many cool drummers here on drummerworld impress me much more, with much less.

I agree that he is fast, but blazing on the double pedals, and toms, just didnt do it for me.
I honestly preffere Ted Kirkpatrick...he is on moderdrummer.com. Metal drummer with a classic approach. Some of the stuff he does is amazing, and really inventive. His solos really do it for me.

Peace to all who like Joey though...No offence

[ewanlaing]

i must say, he looks almost exactly how i imagined without the mask. back on topic, he seems to be one of those drummers were all his toms and basses sound very similar. i like him a lot as a player, but i don't really go for that drum sound, though i used to.

[Sticksman]

MY OPINION: Joey is a good drummer for Slipknot. However, if he were to fill in for Carter Beauford at a Dave Matthews Band concert...

The point is that he is proficient at what he does, and most importantly, what he likes doing. I'm sure he and his band just have a great time playing their own music around the world... isn't that most of ours' dream?!

Yes, some of his drumming might get repetitive after awhile, but I owe Joey for getting me into metal drumming; you wouldn't think it, but that stuff requires a good degree of chops and speed, which correlates into skills elsewhere, as time goes on. I do count him as an early influence, and I gotta hand it to him for helping me get where I am now. Learning "The Blister Exists" and "Left Behind" note-for-note wasn't easy for someone who had only been playing about two years, but man, did it help me! Looking back, I'm glad I did it, because it prepared me for genuinely harder stuff, like jazz fusion and prog rock... e.g., Dave Weckl Band and Rush, Dreamtheater, etc...

As it stands, I like Joey Jordison and his drumming, not only because he was an influence when I started getting serious with the drums, but because I like some of the stuff he does... "Liberate" anyone?

[~tamadrummer~]

i'd probably like slipknot if they werent such a gimmick.I coud do with out all the screaming. I dont really understand why they have like 4 guitarist either, or a mixing table

[vega]

If you have the chance to listen to Slipknot - Confessions you'll hear how funky he is.
Confessions is not like the usual noise that slipknot is known to make. Most people I play it for don't think it's slipknot :p

[silencebraker]

Joey is anyway like The Band itself, he's writing more than 60% of the Slipknot scores, not to mention that the band was actually formed and started by him. Everything in Slipknot is JJ labeled, even the logo. I think that without him, Slipknot would be finished. Tell me if I'm wrong.

[Irobotwillneverdie]

joeys solos impress me, but i think there are drummers out there who do the same sort of thing but, in my opinion, better, i guess thats why he's so controversial. for example, dan foorde from Sikth. I much preferred his drumming on the first and second albums. i think the amazing sound his drums have add to the equation alot too.

[tymile]

slipknot isnt very technical or musical.

a lot of joey jordison's talent is in speed and really quick fills. however, as i said before slipknot itself isnt that musical, so we havent gotten much of a chance to hear what hes really capable of doing.

keep in mind that he also plays guitar in a mainstream metal band as well... that shows that he definitely has potential for talent.

by the way.... im a teenager, and finnighan has "bashed" me. but i dont really consider it that. as ive said before, he makes all his opinions based on a lot of facts. he really knows his stuff, and he doesnt just "bash" people for the fun of it.

[Mr. Bananagrabber]

joeys solos impress me, but i think there are drummers out there who do the same sort of thing but, in my opinion, better, i guess thats why he's so controversial. for example, dan foorde from Sikth. I much preferred his drumming on the first and second albums. i think the amazing sound his drums have add to the equation alot too.

Dan Foord kicks ass, although i didn't like the production of sikths album, on early ep's though the drums are fantastic. He plays really interesting drum patterns and is pretty fast, but mainly he's good cos he's interesting.

[ewanlaing]

by the way.... im a teenager, and finnighan has "bashed" me. but i dont really consider it that. as ive said before, he makes all his opinions based on a lot of facts. he really knows his stuff, and he doesnt just "bash" people for the fun of it.
exactly. i think jordison is capable of a lot more than he does, but he doesn't do it, so it's that classic debate of wether a drummer is defined by what he/she can do, or what he/she does. i have actually been swayed by this thread. i now don't think he is that great. he is fast, and he plays for his fans which i guess is the important thing, but he doesn't seem to have much groove to his playing.

[Bttl]

The thing is what is involved in being a great drummer? What seperates jordison, Peart, Gadd, Bonham etc. How can you compare these people when they play different styles of music. Jazz is Jazz and Metal is Metal etc. Just appreciate who these people are and what they have done for themselves, the music industry and other people and for gods sake use your brain before leaving comments, swaer some of you huys are like 5 years old or something. if you have come here to cause a mass argument ask yourself why. Look at the other posts on this forum you will see who people are calling the best drummer. its an oppinion thats all. In my opinion there is no such thing as the best drummer...its impossible to judge and there will always be someone who disagrees with the result. there are many non techinical drummers out there but does that mean they are not impressive? After all the fact is what is a drummer there for??

[kris_nz15]

The thing is what is involved in being a great drummer? What seperates jordison, Peart, Gadd, Bonham etc. How can you compare these people when they play different styles of music. Jazz is Jazz and Metal is Metal etc.

I have to agree 100% with this comment. Have any of you Joey criticisers ever taken in mind how young the guy still is? Drummers like Steve Gadd, of course they are brilliant drummers but then look at how old they all are. I think with joeys ability so far he could learn much more in his forthcoming years especially now hes maturing up. Several people were saying that Joey cannot play drums like Buddy Rich but can they play drums like him or can Buddy Rich play drums like Joey? Whats important is that they are the top of their kind of music, they play the music they like and they are all very good at it. I think it would be near impossible to get a drummer who can master every style of drumming. Exept maybe Paragon Of Time

[Stu_Strib]

I personally don't care how old someone is. If they are good they are good and can only get better. If they aren't very good, then they shouldn't be famous yet. Unfortunately, there are a lot of not very good drummers that are famous for all the wrong reasons.

Either you can play or not, then the rest is just a matter of taste, age and maturity as a player. The only thing that Jordison's age has to do with this conversation is:

Sure he can play, but his age leaves him open to criticisms of maturity and taste in his playing.

Don't kill me, I'm just trying to articulate what others have said already in this thread!

[kris_nz15]

Personally Stu, I have to say I agree with some of what you are saying and I disagree with other things. I dont want to criticise you or anything I mean of course you have your own opinion. That what you said abut the age thing, I think it does matter how old somebody is. Joey is now what? 31 years old as far as i know. Steve Gadd is maybe in his mid 60's?
It has taken Steve Gadd until now to master his techniques. Sure he has been an incredible drummer for many years now but not as good as he is now. If we gave Jordison a chance to reach a mature age in which he might develop a interest for jazz, blues etc. so lets say when he is 50 and then start comparing him to the hardout session drummers. What you said about either someone can play or they cannot play seems like a fair comment to me. Joey can play drums very good and I do not think that we need to give him such a hard time about that he focusses mainly on heavy metal drumming.

[Elvin4ever]

Personally Stu, I have to say I agree with some of what you are saying and I disagree with other things. I dont want to criticise you or anything I mean of course you have your own opinion. That what you said abut the age thing, I think it does matter how old somebody is. Joey is now what? 31 years old as far as i know. Steve Gadd is maybe in his mid 60's?
It has taken Steve Gadd until now to master his techniques. Sure he has been an incredible drummer for many years now but not as good as he is now. If we gave Jordison a chance to reach a mature age in which he might develop a interest for jazz, blues etc. so lets say when he is 50 and then start comparing him to the hardout session drummers. What you said about either someone can play or they cannot play seems like a fair comment to me. Joey can play drums very good and I do not think that we need to give him such a hard time about that he focusses mainly on heavy metal drumming.

The accumulated experiences that come with age most often breed artistic maturity. In the case of percussionists, said attributes can manifest as long as practioners remain in respectable physical condition. Jazz demonstrates this principle on a regular basis. Buddy Rich's peak years were his late forties and early fifties...same with Bellson. Krupa didn't fully mature until he had his own band. By that time he was pushing 40. Although Max Roach was a phenom with Miles Davis and Clifford Brown, he really didn't become entirely seasoned until he was well in his 40s. Old timer Dave Tough was totally reborn with Woody Herman at age 44. This was probably even more the case with Blakey.

There are of course rare instances of the opposite occuring, with Tony Willims among the most prominent...although he was quite remarkable up until his premature demise.

[jdm_drummer]

as far as bein the best drummer in the world he obviously isnt, but i think that no-matter who u are theres always gonna be someone better than u, even if its one way or another...as for his style, being tastefull or musical...whos to say it isnt? wether somethin is musical or not is all up to your own tastes, kinda like some things are really funny to some people but not at all to others.

personaly i dont think it matters if your a teenager and can play his stuff, so am i and i can play a good deal of it too. how long have u been playin? i heared that he got his first set when he was in 6th grade. i guess that doesnt really matter but i have to still give him props for puttin on great shows and jus doin his thing despite what some people think.

anyways my opinion, peace

[brittc89]

...as for his style, being tastefull or musical...whos to say it isnt? wether somethin is musical or not is all up to your own tastes, kinda like some things are really funny to some people but not at all to others.
We have to draw a line sometime to define musicallity, and I dont think Joey Jordison can fall into that category.

[TonKpilS_657]

We have to draw a line sometime to define musicallity, and I dont think Joey Jordison can fall into that category.

musicallity in what manner? Musicallity in metal, yes. Musicallity in jazz or blues, no. Jordison is a great metal drummer. period.

[ewanlaing]

musicallity in what manner? Musicallity in metal, yes. Musicallity in jazz or blues, no. Jordison is a great metal drummer. period.
i think you're right. joey jordison plays metal in what i woulod consider a musical way, but it's difficult because death metal is so rythm based, with so little melody most of the time. so yes, jordison makes his drumming as musical as it can be for slipknot.

[Togg]

I've just watched that video clip on the drummerworld home page and I have to say it was the funniest thing I've seen in ages.
I am sure the guy is very talented at playing fast, but I am afraid I just don't get the band, and never have.

I loved punk in the 70's but death metal leaves me cold, it doesn't seem to have the passion that punk had, it just seem one dimensional.

I am totally prepared to except I maybe wrong as I just don't know enough about it but to be honest I don't think I will bother investigating, give me a groove anyday, be it , Rock, Pop, Punk, Country and Western, Jazz, Blues, Dance, Folk whatever but death metal just leaves me wondering if I am just getting old...

[Stu_Strib]

That what you said abut the age thing, I think it does matter how old somebody is. Joey is now what? 31 years old as far as i know. Steve Gadd is maybe in his mid 60's?
It has taken Steve Gadd until now to master his techniques. Sure he has been an incredible drummer for many years now but not as good as he is now. If we gave Jordison a chance to reach a mature age in which he might develop a interest for jazz, blues etc. so lets say when he is 50 and then start comparing him to the hardout session drummers.

Fair enough, but Steve Gadd had probably played on more albums by age 31 than Jordison will play on in his whole life. Gadd had also played so many more styles by that age too. Jordison, I'm afraid, is destined to niche metal bands. I don't blame him, though, he's probably made more money than I will in my entire life, and most likely having a lot of fun doing it.

[playplayplay]

Eh, Joey's not that great. I saw his solo on that DVD... it got boring after the first minute. All it was was double bass and rolls. All crowd-pleasers.

Great at drumming in a band, soloing may not be the best idea for this overachiever!

[averypoordrummer]

i find slipknot painful to listen to, dont like screaming at all.

all iv ever seen of joey jordison was on dummerworld and i found his solo boring, just fast rolls and double bass, but then again he was spinning around and going upsidedown.

dont get me wrong though, i appreciate that he is an amazing drummer.

[kornslipknot]

Eh, Joey's not that great. I saw his solo on that DVD... it got boring after the first minute. All it was was double bass and rolls. All crowd-pleasers.

K man i dont know how good you are at drums, but if you think that joey isnt that special then i dont know what your thinking. He is stunning! Dont just watch a solo, listen to the way the drums are played in slipknots songs. Its unreal! Also if you havnt listened to LIVE 9.0 then check out the drum solo on that. If you still arent impressed, i dont no wat will.

[kornslipknot]

I cant believe that people on this post are saying that Joey is a horrible drummer. Im just stunned and i cant figure out whether its people who dislike slipknot being bias or if it is serious. I dont care if you dont like slipknot and i can totally understand that, but for people to say that Joey isnt a good drummer is just a complete joke. Listen to any of the drumming in their songs carefully and it is completly amazing. For the others that say he only does drum rolls and is a crowd pleaser, what do you expect? For his style of music it is what sounds best, so why would he put in a jazz beat into a song that is completely over the top with vocals and hardcore guitar. If you dont like slipknot that is fine, but ignorent assumptions about the way Joey plays is just stupid because he plays the way he should.

[brittc89]

I cant believe that people on this post are saying that Joey is a horrible drummer. Im just stunned and i cant figure out whether its people who dislike slipknot being bias or if it is serious. I dont care if you dont like slipknot and i can totally understand that, but for people to say that Joey isnt a good drummer is just a complete joke. Listen to any of the drumming in their songs carefully and it is completly amazing. For the others that say he only does drum rolls and is a crowd pleaser, what do you expect? For his style of music it is what sounds best, so why would he put in a jazz beat into a song that is completely over the top with vocals and hardcore guitar. If you dont like slipknot that is fine, but ignorent assumptions about the way Joey plays is just stupid because he plays the way he should.
Lets put him in comparison with GREAT drummers though. Up next to Gadd, Vinnie, Weckl, Steve Smith, etc. he has got nothing. No diversity, no musicallity. Just tons of money.

[Stu_Strib]

Lets put him in comparison with GREAT drummers though. Up next to Gadd, Vinnie, Weckl, Steve Smith, etc. he has got nothing. No diversity, no musicallity. Just tons of money.


Just curious at how much money someone like Jordison makes? Seems like Slipknot isn't really as popular as people think, and they are somewhat of a niche band.

[NUTHA JASON]

i think the point kornslipknot is making is that we shouldn't compare him to those dudes. and i also think its a bit strong to say he has nothing musically. joey is very tasteful in his own genres. him and jason bittner are my favourites in their type of music because of their choices and chops. (but its not my type of music at all ...so what... i can see a good drummer when i see one)

a spade is a spade.

j

[ewanlaing]

i agree, in that i don't think jordison is the top of his genre, personally. but at his level of skill it's a matter of taste, and i can definately understand people thinking jordison is the best metal drummer.
basically he's no worse than them in talent, but i just prefer other sounds.
so i support jordison as a drummer, even if i don't actually like his sound.

[TopCat]

Not a big fan of slipknot and Jordison is not my favourite drummer within the genre. But he is good at what he does, and it supports the music well.

[kornslipknot]

I'd like for any of you Joey-haters to simply explain to me what he is expected to do with his music to make him up to your standards in the drumming sense. He couldn't drum much faster, more skillfully and at such a young age. How old are all these jazz 'gods' in comparison to Joey?
Saying slipknot arent as popular as people think is ridiculous they are just about the biggest band in the world at the moment...but of course you wouldnt listen to them, hence accept this.

[jollymosher]

joey jordison is a really fast drummer for his age...his only been playing sence high school, thats pretty good consittering hes a guitar player. some of his stuff is really easy to play.
double bass rolls and riding the hell out of a china although sounds inpressive is pretty easy to learn. (i dont remember who made the comment about how rich he is but hes in 2 semi popular bands. also he does play for metallica every once and a while to.)

[(sic)]

joey's been playing drums since he was 11 and guitar since he was 7

[shuffle]

I have listened to a few slipknot songs for the first time; I am certainly not an amateur of this genre, but the level of emotion shown by some members in this thread's various posts made me curious. This kind of drumming allways seems to me more to be an extensive workout than actual music (on my very small samples), but you can't deny the fact that one must be real fast to perfom it.

However, I really don't understand all those arguments over who's THE fastest....I may be one missing the point, but using raw speed to rate/compare drummers actually embarasses me

[brittc89]

I have listened to a few slipknot songs for the first time; I am certainly not an amateur of this genre, but the level of emotion shown by some members in this thread's various posts made me curious. This kind of drumming allways seems to me more to be an extensive workout than actual music (on my very small samples), but you can't deny the fact that one must be real fast to perfom it.

However, I really don't understand all those arguments over who's THE fastest....I may be one missing the point, but using raw speed to rate/compare drummers actually embarasses me
Its not a question for me of his speed, its his musicallity.

[hateplow]

I was blown away by his drumming the first time I listened to the first Slipknot CD.
I think it's a little silly to say he isn't "musical". Whether you like that kind of music or not, the guy is incredibley talented. Stuart Copeland said, in an interview I read a while back, that he was doing things with a drumset that he had never heard before, and that he was a fan of Jordison's. You think Stuart Copeland knows anything about drum talent? Hmmm....

[jpekarek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygKAF14ndVk&search=joey%20jordison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mYvHdSxNj0&search=joey%20jordison

you guys should check this out.

Decent videos. Not taking anything away from Joey because he is a pretty good drummer, but there is really nothing spectacular to his drumming. What he is doing in the videos is pretty basic stuff, but he does it clean and tight. I would give him an above average rating as a drummer. He is young and has a long career ahead of him, I see a lot of room for him to develop as a drummer.

[skyfish]

I think he's o.k. The thing is people like the band, and those people will rave about the drummer. He has speed, yada yada, I don't dont hear anything else. I personally like a drummer to be more melodic. But there's this whole trend towards speed, more than ever I'd say. What happened to being more musical? It's too much of an extreme sport now with world's fastest drummer, drumometers, and all that.

[Stu_Strib]

He has speed, yada yada, I don't dont hear anything else.

Good points, but I still disagree with the people on here who worship this guy for his supposed speed.

LordMarco, a relatively unknown Drummerwolrd forum guy has more speed, as well as probably 100s of others of us. (Not me, but again, it's not my thing. Last I checked James Taylor tunes are pretty slow).

[drumtohell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygKAF14ndVk&search=joey%20jordison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mYvHdSxNj0&search=joey%20jordison

you guys should check this out.

i got that on the roadrunner thing :D i do like slipknot but although joey got me into drumming ive gone off him (a bit)because hes now in everything and when you listen to the songs although he does like a fill and then another i know there different but they sound the same because the first 1 was tom and double bass and the 2nd 1 was as well but just slightly different i think hes better at the beats than fills and drum solos

[jonathan]

i wanted to ask if somebody here knows a link where you can listen to the drumsolo of him he played on the new slipknot live cd?

[tambian89]

Hello everyone:

I am not a fan of Slipknot, since I don't like nu-metal. I think it is just the typical current metal band, making use of rapping couple with screaming, distorted guitars with inaudible basslines, and one-dimensional drumming. I don't like Slipknot's persussion at all; there is simply too much going on. While no other metal band may have though of using more than one drummer, Slipknot doesn't do it well (they can probably perform better without the guys playing toms and beer kegs).

I think Joey is a simplistic drummer. He sticks to rudimental metal drumming, i.e. heavy snare use, double bassing, and fills spread out over 5 or more toms. Joey is not innovative to his style, and neither is Slipknot for that matter. Joey may be skilled at playing metal, but he is not a drummer who deserves respect from everyone. Speed does not necessarily mean the man has skill, and while Joey can indeed go fast (don't deny it -because he can), he has not brought anything new to the genre or to drumming. When he makes use of elements which are atypical to metal, like use of bongos and xylophones, more complex beats (like polyrhythms and hemiolas), then he should be commemorated. Until then Joey, adieu.

- Marc

[NUTHA JASON]

i think the problem with the phrase 'BE MUSICAL' is that what is musical to a jazz drummer isn't always musical to a metal drummer. in his own genre i would say that joey is very musical.

j

[tambian89]

i think the problem with the phrase 'BE MUSICAL' is that what is musical to a jazz drummer isn't always musical to a metal drummer.

j

Nutha Jason presents a good point: Joey is probably not musical in the same way a jazz drummer is. In terms of metal, he is musical (whatever that means). Joey is pretty good at playing metal, but he simply doesn't match up to anyone who has played metal in the past, like Dave Lombardo. Lombardo developed the style of the drumming in thrash metal; Slipknot has not created a new style; Nu-Metal is basically anything you have heard from the better metal of the 80's mixed with newer elements to appeal to the public. Joey is musical, however, he does nothing special other than excell in playinghis own genre. He does not blend into jazz or other types of drumming, so really, what is so special about him?

- Marc

[kacperivo]

You know, with this BEING MUSICAL thing... I think that it comes from the fact that most of people connect music with sound other than "flap", and that's how Joeys set sound. 127 drums, and every single one of them sounding the same way. I don't want it to look like criticising his playing. It's just about the fact, that generally kits used to play more subtle music, generate a sound which is more pleasant to hear. It's biological, it's organic. Even if you don't like jazz, your ears like it :). And if being musical is about soul, well... I think we should ask some native Ethiopian what does he think about Joey. He probably would know much more about soul than every single one of us. And let's be honest. A jazz player can play being 60, 70, 80 years old. There's no chance Joey would survive that long playing Slipknot-style music.

[kornslipknot]

People on this post keep saying that Joey plays with a lak of passion. I dont think Slipknot could possibly play with any more passion than they do.

[kornslipknot]

The topic of this post is about the two percussionists in Slipknot and whether they should be there. Instead people are trying to say that Joey Jordinson, who is at the moment one of the most talented drummers going around, is bad. I joined this forum expecting to have a chat to people about the drumming world. Instead all im seeing is ignorents and bias towards the things that they dont like.

[brittc89]

The topic of this post is about the two percussionists in Slipknot and whether they should be there. Instead people are trying to say that Joey Jordinson, who is at the moment one of the most talented drummers going around, is bad. I joined this forum expecting to have a chat to people about the drumming world. Instead all im seeing is ignorents and bias towards the things that they dont like.
Well, youve posted 5 of your 9 posts in the Joey Jordison thread, maybe expand a little since hes sucha touchy subject.

[DogBreath]

The topic of this post is about the two percussionists in Slipknot and whether they should be there. Instead people are trying to say that Joey Jordinson, who is at the moment one of the most talented drummers going around, is bad.
No the topic of this thread is Joey Jordison, and therefore people are giving their opinions, including, "I was blown away by his drumming the first time I listened," and, that he "supports the music well," and, "joey is very tasteful, " and, "I think that without him, Slipknot would be finished," etc. People are allowed to disagree with you, and not everyone is disagreeing with you. Calm down and chill out.

[kornslipknot]

Ok this is my point and i am going off topic but anyway...

I used to see Slipknot as just a stupid, crap band because i judged them off their nine members and masks ect... Then one of my mates gave me their albums and i started listening to them. At first i didnt think much of it apart from the drumming, but after a while i realised how talented they really are. So now when i see someone saying Joey Jordinson is bad, when he obviously isnt, it is frustrating because i know that person has no idea.

Now im not saying you have to like the band obviously, everyone should have their own opinion. If you dislike Slikpknot then that is fine, but to say that they are bad or the drummer is bad whatever, is just crazy.

My advise to people is not to judge that band in a negative way just because of how they present themselfs. I did and i hated them at first, now they are one of my favourite bands.

[kacperivo]

My advise to people is not to judge that band in a negative way just because of how they present themselfs. I did and i hated them at first, now they are one of my favourite bands.

Hey, chill out man. Entering the hard path of fame, you gotta realise that people will criticise you, and surely guys from Slipknot were aware of this fact. You can't be mad at people who disagree with your point of view. 'Joey Jordison is a good drummer' is not a fact! It's only an opinion, and everyone has the right to disagree with it.
To be honest with you, I think he's not a good drummer, and you know why? Because my determinant of a good drummer is other than, for example Yours. For me technique, good timing, and speed don't measure the actual skills of a drummer, because there's also something like groove, and this I can't hear in his playing. I realise though, that it's because I don't listen to such music, and for those who do it's totally different thing, and it's ok. I respect it! Don't treat it as starting of "1st JJ War", it's only my private opinion.
So be cool. I respect Joey's skills as a drummer, but for me they're just not enough.
Howgh!

[jpekarek]

For me technique, good timing, and speed don't measure the actual skills of a drummer

I believe that technique and good timing are, in fact, two of the most important charicteristics of a good drummer. Speed is another quality.

[kacperivo]

Yeah, you're right. Sorry, maybe my statement sounded a bit awkward. I mean, that those skills are not the ONLY ones needed for good playing. For me, the emotions which flow from a drummer when he's playing, make it all sound fine and authentic, but it's hard to achieve without technique and timing :). You know what I mean! ;)

[kornslipknot]

Hey, chill out man. Entering the hard path of fame, you gotta realise that people will criticise you, and surely guys from Slipknot were aware of this fact. You can't be mad at people who disagree with your point of view. 'Joey Jordison is a good drummer' is not a fact! It's only an opinion, and everyone has the right to disagree with it.
To be honest with you, I think he's not a good drummer, and you know why? Because my determinant of a good drummer is other than, for example Yours. For me technique, good timing, and speed don't measure the actual skills of a drummer, because there's also something like groove, and this I can't hear in his playing. I realise though, that it's because I don't listen to such music, and for those who do it's totally different thing, and it's ok. I respect it! Don't treat it as starting of "1st JJ War", it's only my private opinion.
So be cool. I respect Joey's skills as a drummer, but for me they're just not enough.
Howgh!

Yeah i see your point.

[kornslipknot]

Well guys i have found something that i didnt know. Joey used to play in jazz bands when he was in school and won many awards for it. So there you go.
i have a link if anyone wants it.

[kornslipknot]

Granted he is not THE BEST drummer out there but:
He makes more money than any of us on here will ever make.
He is more famous than any of us on this forum will ever be.
He is better than most of the people on this forum.

If Joey is not a good drummer by your terms then how amazing does someone have to be to be considered good?I think tons of drummers are good outside of my preferred genres.Just because I don't like Steely Dan doesn't make me think that Steve Gadd and Keith Carlock are not great drummers.Joey is a good drummer...if want to hear a crappy drummer listen to The White Stripes.

Thankyou. At least someone on here shows respect to good drummers.

[TheAnalogKid]

I've seen Slipknot live 4 times in 5 years, and one thing remains. Joey is extremely fast and talented. Sid is a crazy mo-fo who loves to dive off of stuff. Corey Taylor is an impressive vocalist with great and intelligent lyrics, and he can incite a riot. However, if you were to replace JJ with anyone, it wouldn't have that same enery or feel.


and for that reason alone, I would say he's very deserving of the title "Talented Drummer!"

[jdm_drummer]

heres a vid i found, its title solo one but seems like more of a sound check...or him jus foolin around, to me he sounds more creative then alot of metal drummers(not all blast beats) but i dont listen to to much metal...i'm more of a rap fan.

http://joeyjordison.co.uk/livevideos.html

[Fuse]

I think Joey is one of the best metal drummer, I also liked his solo on the disaster Piece DVD
ok...it's crowd pleasing but hey... his speed still impressed me

The thing that really impressed me is that he is a damn good guitar player aswell ...

[tambian89]

Has anyone ever listened to Joey's Work with Satyricon? I like them (but not Slipknot), and Joey is pretty good in that band. He is basically doing covers though; Satyricon has a different in-studio drummer ( I think in-studio guy doesn't have a green card; either that, or he isn't allowed into the U.S. because he commited a known felony or something)

- Marc

Slayer rules!

[kornslipknot]

I dont see why you think his chops are not top notch when they are. There is no flaw in his drumming at all and i would like you to list or post up a slipknot song (or any drum track from joey), where it clearly shows that his chops are not fine tuned.

As for the people who say that his drumming is repetitive, that is completely done to fit the music. As i said in earlier posts, he isnt going to play jazz beats in a metal song. He plays for the band, not for himself.

[brittc89]

Jazz is all about the band. If your going out on stage with a jazz gig, you better be ready to play for the band, or else your not getting that gig again. Your listening all the time, picking things out, making the music sound good by interacting spontaineously with the other musicians. Its all about the team effort in good jazz. So I have to disagree with your statement there. Roy Haynes and Jeff Hamilton and John Riley, those guys play for the band.

[NUTHA JASON]

i agree. i think a lot of what people consider jazz here is opinion based on what they've seen on drummerworld vids. but it is important to remember that a lot of those DW vids are of showcase songs for the drummer... the band dops out after the standard intro, the drummer does his solo and the band comes in again. this is NOT JAZZ IN ITS ENTIRETY...in fact it is probably fair to say that this is as much the whole of what jazz is as moby dick is the whole of led zepellin.

j

[Stu_Strib]

I don't see how any of the DW jazz drumming clips are any more egocentric drumming for the drummer, any more than any of the metal drummers are drumming for the drummer.

Same thing (showing off chops and tricks and musicality) but for different genres.

The problem with the logic that jazz players are only playing for themselves just shows the lack of understanding of jazz in general. What sounds like 5 random guys playing random notes is in fact all carefully orchestrated (and improvised) complex music that not everyone understands.

[NUTHA JASON]

you missunderstand me stu. i'm saying that some people's only real experience of jazz is the little slices of concerts we see that show case the drummer because DW is about drummers. what we don't see on DW is the three hours of music that surrounded that one instance of drumming highlight. its like someone seeing a video of moby dick and then saying they know everything about led zepellin. metal perfection owns up that he hasn't heard much jazz...but you and i have. in a lot of the jazz i seen and heard the drummer is the most ready to sacrifice his limelight....heck, just think of how a jazz drummer plays his bass drum...feather touch, says it all.

j

[Bernhard]

Joey is a very humble guy and just a little ashamed of the popularity he gets with his drumming. He knows that his abilities at the moment are not at the level he wants to attain in the future and he has very big respect for jazzdrummers like Elvin Jones and Brian Blade. And he also tries to work on a regular practice schedule and take lessons with good teachers. In no way he is rich - perhabs compared to some scholars or students, but for sure not compared to some serious businessmen here in this forum.

In the whole world there are only 3 rich drummers: Charlie Watts,Phil Collins and Ringo Starr - ahhh: and the King of Thailand.....

Bernhard

[Amundsen]

Joey play good for Hardcore rock/metal, and he are good to play whit the bass drum, "Fast".

[helldrummer]

i think joey is a great pop-metal drummer with a clean, tough sound... however, he can't keep time very well.
i'm not a slipknot fan but they are pretty fun to play along to, and what i've noticed is that joey actually speeds up considerably when playing a straight punk-style beat for a while, but then slows down during his double bass rolls.
i can't roll quite as fast as him on my double pedal (or with my hands), so i'm in no position to criticise.. ..but keeping time accurately is the most important aspect of drumming.
if you can't keep time, you need more practice.

as far as joey's fans are concerned.. ..i have a mate who is a drummer and likes slipknot, and even after he saw a virgil donati clinic with me, he said he thought virgil was good but not as good as joey!
he listens to tool and fear factory, and he can't even tell how much better danny and raymond are than joey because he is such a hardcore joey fan
lol :D

[kornslipknot]

i think joey is a great pop-metal drummer with a clean, tough sound... however, he can't keep time very well.
i'm not a slipknot fan but they are pretty fun to play along to, and what i've noticed is that joey actually speeds up considerably when playing a straight punk-style beat for a while, but then slows down during his double bass rolls.
i can't roll quite as fast as him on my double pedal (or with my hands), so i'm in no position to criticise.. ..but keeping time accurately is the most important aspect of drumming.
if you can't keep time, you need more practice.

as far as joey's fans are concerned.. ..i have a mate who is a drummer and likes slipknot, and even after he saw a virgil donati clinic with me, he said he thought virgil was good but not as good as joey!
he listens to tool and fear factory, and he can't even tell how much better danny and raymond are than joey because he is such a hardcore joey fan
lol :D

Where exactly is Joey not in time. Im sure all the people that dislike his drumming wouldnt say it is because of his timing. You could say he is repetetive but his timing is perfect.

[helldrummer]

Where exactly is Joey not in time. Im sure all the people that dislike his drumming wouldnt say it is because of his timing. You could say he is repetetive but his timing is perfect.

not on their live album it isn't.
i remember playing along to the blister exists and he speeds up during the cool death-march bit (you should know which bit i mean) and also towards the end

in eyeore he slows down towards the end (where the drumming gets crowded) and i think that is because he starts off a little bit too fast.. like he is pushing himself to play that quickly... which isn't good.

anyway just because you haven't noticed his timing errors don't tell me i'm wrong for pointing them out, you should listen more carefully or try playing along to those songs with headphones

by the way what do you mean by "all the people that dislike his drumming"... 1. i don't dislike his drumming and 2. if i did, i would be one of those people and in that case one reason why "those people" didn't like his playing would be because of his timing. which is definitely NOT perfect. are you even a drummer? anyway, i never said i disliked his playing.. ..i actually think he's good and i've said that before (TWICE) on this forum

[kornslipknot]

not on their live album it isn't.
i remember playing along to the blister exists and he speeds up during the cool death-march bit (you should know which bit i mean) and also towards the end

in eyeore he slows down towards the end (where the drumming gets crowded) and i think that is because he starts off a little bit too fast.. like he is pushing himself to play that quickly... which isn't good.

anyway just because you haven't noticed his timing errors don't tell me i'm wrong for pointing them out, you should listen more carefully or try playing along to those songs with headphones

by the way what do you mean by "all the people that dislike his drumming"... 1. i don't dislike his drumming and 2. if i did, i would be one of those people and in that case one reason why "those people" didn't like his playing would be because of his timing. which is definitely NOT perfect. are you even a drummer? anyway, i never said i disliked his playing.. ..i actually think he's good and i've said that before (TWICE) on this forum

Yes i am a drummer and in a band. My fellow band members arnt fans of slipknot but I definatly am and obviously am inspired by his drumming. We do gigs ect... I plan to post us up on this site but we havnt done much recording because we have only recently started.

I know the blister exists part of the song you mean and there is no miss timing at all! The snare work and symbols are perfect, maybe its your own drumming you can hear thats not quite right. As for Eeyore have you even listed to that song? It slows down halfway and then speeds up again at the end, which is exactly what Jordison does. I dont really like Live 9.0, but personally i think he makes the album. Have you listened to the drum solo? That is just over 3 minutes of perfect drumming that is fast and DEFINATELY on time. Do you really think they would have brought that album out with the drums out of time?

You said you think Joey is good and yet you say he is out of time. I certainly wouldnt appreciate a drummer who plays out of time on an album, so im not sure where your coming from.

[helldrummer]

Yes i am a drummer and in a band. My fellow band members arnt fans of slipknot but I definatly am and obviously am inspired by his drumming. We do gigs ect... I plan to post us up on this site but we havnt done much recording because we have only recently started.

I know the blister exists part of the song you mean and there is no miss timing at all! The snare work and symbols are perfect, maybe its your own drumming you can hear thats not quite right. As for Eeyore have you even listed to that song? It slows down halfway and then speeds up again at the end, which is exactly what Jordison does. I dont really like Live 9.0, but personally i think he makes the album. Have you listened to the drum solo? That is just over 3 minutes of perfect drumming that is fast and DEFINATELY on time. Do you really think they would have brought that album out with the drums out of time?

You said you think Joey is good and yet you say he is out of time. I certainly wouldnt appreciate a drummer who plays out of time on an album, so im not sure where your coming from.

first of all: good to see another aussie here at dw !

second: i think joey is good because of his chops, his speed, his technique, etc. not his timing when playing live... ..a good drummer (like joey) can record in time but a great drummer (like raymond herrera or danny carey) also stays in time when playing live (imo)

i think we must hear things a bit differently because i find his drum solo on 9.0 quite boring and very sloppy in parts... i certainly don't think it is right on time

do you play against a click track? or do you sometimes use a metrenome? ...start doing either one of these things and after a while you will also notice the time slips of other drummers (and yourself of course!) ...

but... i'm talking about live 9.0 and i'd definitely forgive time slips in a live performance so yes i think joey is good, but not as good as a drummer who keeps perfect time in all situations (i.e. live or recording)

as for eyeore and the blister... i'm talking about live 9.0 and on that album you can't say i'm not right about what i said.
maybe that's why you don't like the album? or is it because of all corey's crap that he says because i honestly can't stand corey......

[ElvinBaRkerDennis13]

do you know if its possible to get the white cymbals that he has? they would look sweet with my kit

tj

[metalheadeza666]

Joey Jordison is my favourite drummer ever! apparently, the two other percussionists shawn (clown) and chris are there to give Slipknot their "tribal sound". true they don't come through much, more so on the Self titled album than anywhere else. I luv slipknot, they were the first metal band I got into, and when I first listened to Vol 3: THe subliminal verses, joey's drumming blew me away!

[jpekarek]

Joey Jordison is my favourite drummer ever!

I respect your opinion here and thank you for stating it that way. Joey is indeed a very good drummer.

There are a lot of people that need to make the distinction between, "My favorite drummer", and, "The best drummer in the world". Many people don't realize that these are two different things.

There are people that say Joey is their favorite drummer in the world, so they automatically think that means he is also the best in the world, which is not true. I'm not bashing Joey here because I do think he is very good, i'm just saying that there really are better and faster drummers out there.

My favorite drummer in the world is certainly not the best one in the world, but he's my favorite. (Not telling).

[Zardoz]

My opinion of him changed after I saw a video on youtube.com of him. It was some Roadrunner Records (or whatever the title was) dvd.

He was alone, in a studio. Blidingly fast doublebass work and also solid around the kit. Unfortunately, I just can't get into Slipknot (and no, it's not their costumes). I think it's 1/2-rate metal.

[kornslipknot]

Joey Jordison is my favourite drummer ever! apparently, the two other percussionists shawn (clown) and chris are there to give Slipknot their "tribal sound". true they don't come through much, more so on the Self titled album than anywhere else. I luv slipknot, they were the first metal band I got into, and when I first listened to Vol 3: THe subliminal verses, joey's drumming blew me away!

Its actually very surprising, but the drummers do come through and definately make a difference in the music and specially a live performance. The member that doesnt do a lot is Craig, w