Joey Jordison

[MSUMetal]

Slipknot needs the percussionists I dunno why you would say that he would be better without the percussionists. Joey is awsome percussionists or not. But they need Shawn and Chris, they said themselves that they wouldn't be complete without everyone there.

Do you really think he would say they could be just fine, or better, without them? I mean come on, that would just create an incredible amount of animosity within the band. How many times have you seen band members dis another unless there were problems within the bandmembers?

Oh, and to stay on topic, I think Joey is a very good drummer, but not my favorite nor one of the best IMO.

[stns_darkchild]

I think Joey would be better without the two "percussionists" but they also make the band come alive. Not just Joey, but everybody in the band.

[blacksheep]

Slipknot is known for their hard core music and the two others are there to put a little more feeling into it, but joey is deffenetly the one you hear when it comes to percussion

[blacksheep]

joey may be a bad ass, but what i wonder about is... why the other two? the one u really hear is joey, although shawn and chris put a little more feeling into it...

[kornslipknot]

Whats up friends i havnt posted on this thread in a while, good to see its still up there.

Firstly people are saying that the percussionists are not needed, but i can tell you they are for very good reasons. They diffinately can be heard in their music and if people deny that then your listening ability is terrible and you shouldnt be a drummer. They inhance live performances as their sound is louder and more brutal, which of course is what Slipknot are all about. And last of all they are in there for the band. Slipknot try to do everything differently and their own way, and appearence is one of the things which contributes to this. They are needed in there and true Slipknot fans know that, because if they were taken out or werent in there, they wouldnt be what they are today.

As for the person who said listen to real metal, your a joke! By the looks of my name you would probebly say i have no idea about metal, i mean korn and slipknot, they dont have critics at all. But i did that because i try and be different as well, im not one of those metal fans that say nu metal is totally crap when it isnt. Lamb of God and Shadows Fall are good bands, but if you want to start talking like that i would say maiden, priest, metallica, those sort of bands that made metal what it is. Slipknot are insane and for those people that say nu metal is bad and doesnt compare, then you ignorent and only limit your own musical taste.

cheers!

[XenosPhychos]

have you ever seen how fast joey actualy drums? if you have you must realize that no human can do that for that long... my prespective on the other 2 drummers is that once joey does his kick ass drummin he needs to take it easy for a minute... this is were the other 2 come in... they back him up and give him a bit of a chance to recover.

theory number 2... hes a robot and they are there incase he breaks...

[metalheadeza666]

Whats up friends i havnt posted on this thread in a while, good to see its still up there.

Firstly people are saying that the percussionists are not needed, but i can tell you they are for very good reasons. They diffinately can be heard in their music and if people deny that then your listening ability is terrible and you shouldnt be a drummer. They inhance live performances as their sound is louder and more brutal, which of course is what Slipknot are all about. And last of all they are in there for the band. Slipknot try to do everything differently and their own way, and appearence is one of the things which contributes to this. They are needed in there and true Slipknot fans know that, because if they were taken out or werent in there, they wouldnt be what they are today.

As for the person who said listen to real metal, your a joke! By the looks of my name you would probebly say i have no idea about metal, i mean korn and slipknot, they dont have critics at all. But i did that because i try and be different as well, im not one of those metal fans that say nu metal is totally crap when it isnt. Lamb of God and Shadows Fall are good bands, but if you want to start talking like that i would say maiden, priest, metallica, those sort of bands that made metal what it is. Slipknot are insane and for those people that say nu metal is bad and doesnt compare, then you ignorent and only limit your own musical taste.

cheers!

thank you!
one of the few people on this forum who talks sense and knows what he is on about. Listen to this guy.

[novack20]

Joey and Thomas Noonan from 36 Crazy fists the NUMBERS ONE!! BEST DRUMMERS

[Mikkel]

dont you think that he would be a lot better without the other two "percussionists" in slipknot?

I don't know, if he would be better without those two "percussionists" ..they are a part of the show, but I think your right, they play simple beats (if you can call it that?) and Joey just beat the hell out of those drums, so you can't really hear those two "percussionists" ..but still they are a part of the band, and in "The Blister Exists" they play snare drum in the middle of the song an d at the end of the song, and there they need them, they also sing backingvocals in "The Hertic Anthem" and many other songs, so they need them, I just think that the drums they bang on, is a part of the show!

[archaic_sin]

I'm posting this more out of boredom than anything, but I do feel I need to shed some light on the subject. So, here we go.

I grew up on Slipknot, and even today they still remain my favorite band. But even this fact doesn't dilute my feelings on what makes a good drummer. I've listened to a lot of different bands, and I've heard many drummers, and I can personally say I do not think Joey is the greatest drummer ever, nor do I think he's the greatest metal drummer ever.

I think a lot of his appeal comes from the fact that he is truly an amazing guy. He is one of those people that takes what he does seriously and he's constantly working to improve. He's only thirty one and he's managed to make a career as a drummer, and a very good drummer at that. He's also become a very big inspiration for a lot of the younger kids just getting into the drums (myself included) and I think this is why a lot of people despise him, and Slipknot.

The popularity of Slipknot really takes away from what he's done as a drummer, but if you take away Slipknot and you take away the fame, what you're left with is him as a drummer, as a musician. He's got a great style and he really feels for the music he makes behind the kit. He's still got a long career ahead of him and can only get better as time goes on (or worse as some drummers have shown us in the past). Again, I will say, he's not the best drummer, but he's definitly up there on the charts.

Plus, you got to remember, this guy not only plays drums, but he plays guitar, he plays bass, and he produces CDs. You can really respect him just for what he's accomplished, and what he's in the process of accomplishing. Maybe one day when his time is over, people will see that he really does possess a great talent and pure love for the drums and music in general.

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And as for the subject of Shawn and Chris in Slipknot.

When the band first started out, they really wanted a whole overall audio assault with drums pounding from the front with Joey being a main support for the group in the back. The idea gradually changed over the years as Shawn and Chris picked up on back up vocals, but the overall effect when it's put on CD is really amazing. Shawn himself is an incredibly intelligent guy, maybe not when it comes to his personal health, but mentally, he's all there. If he wasn't in Slipknot, they really wouldn't be who they are today.


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Well, I do believe I've spoken my mind....
Let this be a lesson in life.
Don't let boredom take over your soul....

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

Great post archaic. You're right, we shouldn't try to take away from Joey because he's in Slipknot (which may or may not lose him credibility). Again, like you said, take away the band and he's still there and as an overall musician he obviously works hard and does well for himself. So any Joey-haters out there, look at his overall body of work.

Christ, I'm not even a Slipknot fan, quite the opposite.

[jarrod]

Does any one think joey maybe a littel over rated ive herd so much about how he is the fastest but yet people like george kollias(nile) and pete sandoval (morbid angel) are alot faster than him but dont get eny glory and joey get lots, maybe its the masks?

[Sawdust]

it's definitely not the masks!! o.k. maybe he is nor as fast as george kollias neither as derrek roddy, flo mounier and conny peterson ( to name some other examples), but he's really a great drummer with a very individual and cool style...besides, they also perform unmasked sometimes.o.k you never see their faces clearly...but that's not what it''s about...it's about music!!!

[archaic_sin]

Does any one think joey maybe a littel over rated ive herd so much about how he is the fastest but yet people like george kollias(nile) and pete sandoval (morbid angel) are alot faster than him but dont get eny glory and joey get lots, maybe its the masks?

The masks really don't have anything to do with Joey's overall talent on the drums. As I stated before, if you take all that away, he's just a drummer and he may not be the fastest but he is still a speed demon. And you're right, drummers like the one's you've mentioned really don't get much credit but perhaps that has something to do with the fact that most of the masses don't dive that deep into metal, therefore they don't ever hear those excellent drummers. They all possess a lot of talent, Joey is just more known for it because the bands he's in are listened to by more people.

[jollymosher]

i think they add accents and stuff. but Crowding the stage isnt all bad. It looks neat and it sells. ya gotta give them props. as for joey, hes a great player. And its not limmited to metal.

[slipknot and ledzeppelin]

joey is awesome i like the double bass it sound cool

[drumz4eva]

joey is awesome i like the double bass it sound cool
lol isnt slipknot and led zepplin a weird combonation??

i meen like heavy metal....then to led zepplin?

oh but nvm....its good to have a wide range of music

[distant_angel9]

Thats not right! You shouldnt say that! theres people out here that will get offended about your comment on joey! (like me! But thats coz im in LOVE with him!)...joey is an excellent drummer! And a great guitarist in murderdolls! in fact slipknot are great..their music is all original and they have their own style...instad of just a normal band..( E.g, bass, drums guitar, singer) they have all that plus more...which is very talented and artistic of them...SO GIVE JOEY A BREAK!PLZ? for the love of god....

[distant_angel9]

Well, i think that slipknot are FANTASTIC! and joey is like GOD! hes EXCELLENT on drums...i think the drumming in the songs are excellent, including shawn and chris...to me it all works out perfectley!...they are coolio!

[tomgrosset]

The thing that I don't like about Joey are his solos, but thats about it.
He is an exceptional drummer.

[ewanlaing]

Thats not right! You shouldnt say that! theres people out here that will get offended about your comment on joey! (like me! But thats coz im in LOVE with him!)...joey is an excellent drummer! And a great guitarist in murderdolls! in fact slipknot are great..their music is all original and they have their own style...instad of just a normal band..( E.g, bass, drums guitar, singer) they have all that plus more...which is very talented and artistic of them...SO GIVE JOEY A BREAK!PLZ? for the love of god....
give joey a break? no problem, but i wouldn't say he was god. i wouldn't even say steve gadd was god. not even buddy rich. because i am yet to see the perfect drummer. and i think because of that we're intitled to believe saying that joey jordison is god is a little silly. i realise you're not the one who said it in the first place, but you know what i mean.

[elsjosh]

Does anyone know what ride cymbal joey uses? email me if u do. elsjosh@yahoo.com thanks!

[<<L3o Luk@?>>]

He's the best drummer i ever heard!!
The other two "drummers" are only for accents etc.
www.drummerworld.com/joey_jordison.html
The 2nd Video shows everything.

I'm from germany, so my english is maybe not so good^^.

[daddyyabjee]

Does anyone know what ride cymbal joey uses? email me if u do. elsjosh@yahoo.com thanks!

Depends which album era we're talking about.

S/T = ?
Iowa = 20" Paiste Rude Ride/Crash
Vol. 3 - Current = 20" Paiste Dimensions Power Bell Ride

[Jon_Adam]

I have been listening tyo slipknot since the first album came out and i would like to say that although chris and shawn are essential to the bands stage show they are not really needed for percussion purposes.

If you look at the video on joeys section of drummerworld and watch the clip where they play heretic anthem on SNL you will hear how raw and aggressive it sounds without the timpany and other backing percussion.

I love slipknot as much as anyone here (although iowa left something to be desired, but all was made up for volume 3, i f**cking love that album) however i feel that chris and shawn are only neccesary for backing vocals the majority of the time (i cant remember which track it is but on one track they have a screaming call and answer thing which sounds amazing! it might be track 3 but i am probably wrong) and stage performance. The percussion is only required in a few songs, ie pulse of the maggots with the beer keg.

jon

[ness]

since i love joey and slipknot i thought this would be a good first post. he has the fastest double bass ive ever heard and some great fills. he just keeps getting better with their new albums (vol.3 kicks serious ass) and the drum solo on their live album is much better then the one from the disasterpiece dvd. as for the 2 other percounists there not really needed, but they add to the live show which is pretty intense

[jarrod]

I agree vol 3 was pritty good but i think some of there older stuff is better vol3 is getting a littel soft and i also agree with unless you really into metal he will prolly be the fastest double bass player you here unless you give some time to find faster ones and yeah he does suit slipknot

[Jon_Adam]

I dont know about the album getting a bit soft being a bad thing, as musicians the whole group have outdone themselves and so for me this is their best album by one hell of a long way, not saying that there arent other tracks on other albums which are amazing.

I also strongly agree with looking out for better metal drummers. Loving bran dailor at the moment, the guy is a machine. Also does anyone know the name of the drummer for devil driver? He is the tightest metal drummer i have heard in ages, at first i thought it was adrum machine. Listen to "end of the line" and tell me otherwise.

Jon

[kornslipknot]

I'm posting this more out of boredom than anything, but I do feel I need to shed some light on the subject. So, here we go.

I grew up on Slipknot, and even today they still remain my favorite band. But even this fact doesn't dilute my feelings on what makes a good drummer. I've listened to a lot of different bands, and I've heard many drummers, and I can personally say I do not think Joey is the greatest drummer ever, nor do I think he's the greatest metal drummer ever.

I think a lot of his appeal comes from the fact that he is truly an amazing guy. He is one of those people that takes what he does seriously and he's constantly working to improve. He's only thirty one and he's managed to make a career as a drummer, and a very good drummer at that. He's also become a very big inspiration for a lot of the younger kids just getting into the drums (myself included) and I think this is why a lot of people despise him, and Slipknot.

The popularity of Slipknot really takes away from what he's done as a drummer, but if you take away Slipknot and you take away the fame, what you're left with is him as a drummer, as a musician. He's got a great style and he really feels for the music he makes behind the kit. He's still got a long career ahead of him and can only get better as time goes on (or worse as some drummers have shown us in the past). Again, I will say, he's not the best drummer, but he's definitly up there on the charts.

Plus, you got to remember, this guy not only plays drums, but he plays guitar, he plays bass, and he produces CDs. You can really respect him just for what he's accomplished, and what he's in the process of accomplishing. Maybe one day when his time is over, people will see that he really does possess a great talent and pure love for the drums and music in general.

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And as for the subject of Shawn and Chris in Slipknot.

When the band first started out, they really wanted a whole overall audio assault with drums pounding from the front with Joey being a main support for the group in the back. The idea gradually changed over the years as Shawn and Chris picked up on back up vocals, but the overall effect when it's put on CD is really amazing. Shawn himself is an incredibly intelligent guy, maybe not when it comes to his personal health, but mentally, he's all there. If he wasn't in Slipknot, they really wouldn't be who they are today.


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Well, I do believe I've spoken my mind....
Let this be a lesson in life.
Don't let boredom take over your soul....

Yeah man i agree with you here.

I definately dont think that Joey is the best metal drummer, of course he isnt. However, joey, chris and clown both contribute to Slipknot, which is one of the biggest metal bands out there at the moment, so you cannot argue their talents.

I think the main reason people dish out Joey because he is in a nu metal band, or they are generally bias against metal. There are plenty of older drumers that are famous in history, theat are not that good. The reason they are popular though, is because they were the first ones to do what everyone does today. So why do they pay out Joey?

Like you said he puts full effort into his drums and Slipknot, and his contribution has helped put Slipknot where they are. He has great talent.

[Symbolic]

I definately dont think that Joey is the best metal drummer, of course he isnt. However, joey, chris and clown both contribute to Slipknot, which is one of the biggest metal bands out there at the moment, so you cannot argue their talents.



Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments. They are popular because they followed the mold of how to get a hit song, and because kids attached to them to rebel against their parents. I am not saying the Joey isnt talented, he is but the clown dude and the other percussionist are just there to layer the sound, nothing else. But are they needed, no. Could Slipknot have the same sound without them, yes.

I think that real metalheads dislike Slipknot more than people who dont like metal to begin with because Slipknot has alot of fans who go around thinking Slipknot are the fastest/heaviest/brutalist metal band around and wont even recognize other metal bands than Slipknot, Metallica, Trivium etc.

[Beat Spector]

Symbolic, I dare to oppose. When you're around for 40 years, and still appealing to even the younger audience well then I think the Stones DO know how to play their instruments + know how to make a hit song....but this is not the right thread.


But you got a point saying slipknot fans think they are the fastest,...and so on...
Well for all those and the ones who think morbid angel is brutal: listen VADER , not to mention NILE or CRYPTOPSY.
Now i donno which one is the fastest of them all, but the speed these last three guys do the albums: well honeslty: never heard before.
Brutality to the core, hyperagressive, hypertechinical, superhumanhyperspeed. 'specially crypotsy's "AND THEN YOU'LL BEG" album
Not into metal anymore now sold most of my cd's but the ones i liked best and the ones with the nices drumwork on i kept. Wel the cd's from these three warmachines i kept. And plz check out www.cryptopsy.net. Thén lets talk :-)

[ewanlaing]

Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments. They are popular because they followed the mold of how to get a hit song, and because kids attached to them to rebel against their parents. I am not saying the Joey isnt talented, he is but the clown dude and the other percussionist are just there to layer the sound, nothing else. But are they needed, no. Could Slipknot have the same sound without them, yes.

I think that real metalheads dislike Slipknot more than people who dont like metal to begin with because Slipknot has alot of fans who go around thinking Slipknot are the fastest/heaviest/brutalist metal band around and wont even recognize other metal bands than Slipknot, Metallica, Trivium etc.
slipknot must be getting SOMETHING right, so ou can't argue with their talent for making music that people enjoy, even if you don't think the extra percussionists are needed, they probably have something to do with the reason slipknot are doing so well. if they really weren't needed they really wouldn't be in the band.

[DogBreath]

Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments.
Bad! Bad! Bad! Bad! Bad! .

[Chip]

Hehehehe, good one DB.

[metalheadeza666]

Just because a band is big doesnt mean the musicians are talented. Look at the Rolling Stones, they have been around for 40 years and still suck at playing their instruments. They are popular because they followed the mold of how to get a hit song, and because kids attached to them to rebel against their parents. I am not saying the Joey isnt talented, he is but the clown dude and the other percussionist are just there to layer the sound, nothing else. But are they needed, no. Could Slipknot have the same sound without them, yes.

I think that real metalheads dislike Slipknot more than people who dont like metal to begin with because Slipknot has alot of fans who go around thinking Slipknot are the fastest/heaviest/brutalist metal band around and wont even recognize other metal bands than Slipknot, Metallica, Trivium etc.

Symbolic, I agree with KornSlipknot, okay, Chris and shawn arn't the most talented guys in the band, but they do have a suprising impact on Slipknot's sound, it might not be hugley noticable, but without it, Slipknot really would not be the same.

Also what you say about metalheads who like slipknot only recognise them as a good metal band, not entirely true, again true there will be newbs who will think like that, but not true for all metalheads who like slipknot, just look at KornSlipknot's member name, "Korn Slipknot" both metal bands to a certain extent, but in completely different leagues at the same time, it symbolises a wide range of musical taste, I myself, love slipknot, they are my favourite band and got me into metal, but since i have found other bands and recognise them as great metal bands, there are even bands i like who arn't even metal, even goldie lookin chain! I don't single one band out.

Joey is a very talented drummer, not neccesarily the best, but he is easily one of the best.

[adrian]

^^^ true, kinda of like Barker, I thought joey had background in jazz, i would love to see him play some jazz tunes
eew that would suck
he can barely play a solo as it is... he rushes like a pregnant woman to the hospital

[pudgytheclown]

you all have great things to say but i personally believe that joey does have many great talents he has a fast foot (which by the way he uses a dualist aka a double single pedal) his band has some good songs (i used to be a huge fan but then again i used to like linkin park, there drummer sucks a-hole) i think about four of slipknots members should be killed off, including the two extra percussionists and the dj and the sound effects guy. so that all drummers if you want to e-mail me it's pudgytheclown123@yahoo.com or im pudgytheclown peace

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

He uses a Duallist? No...

[metalheadeza666]

you all have great things to say but i personally believe that joey does have many great talents he has a fast foot (which by the way he uses a dualist aka a double single pedal) his band has some good songs (i used to be a huge fan but then again i used to like linkin park, there drummer sucks a-hole) i think about four of slipknots members should be killed off, including the two extra percussionists and the dj and the sound effects guy. so that all drummers if you want to e-mail me it's pudgytheclown123@yahoo.com or im pudgytheclown peace


uses a dualist! Lies! he uses pearl eliminator or tama iron cobra! have you not seen disasterpeices or any other video of joey playing for that matter. i'm sorry for having a complete outburst but, this is like that thread that some newb posted about joey using some sort of bicycle mechanism to achieve his double bass.

okay, i'll agree, joey is slightly overated, but that does not mean he connat play as well as he does, and acheive the speed on his feet that he does. i've said it once and i'll say it again, he is by no means the best metal drummer, but he is pretty dam good and definately one of the best, and is definately my favourite. there is a difference between saying someone is the best at something, and saying that they are your favourite, they don't mean the same thing.

outburst over. peace out.

[hotsauce3n]

I never did like Slipknot much... Joey's style gets the job done, that is about all I will say. He is a good drummer, I just don't like the style.

yea i really dont like the style that much either. Joey has talent and he is quick but i think he would get old pretty quick as a stand alone drummer. he definately fits into that style of music but i wouldnt say much more than that. Iv seen him do some cool things and i used to actually like slipknot. now the only reason i would lisiten to it is for pump up music(lacrosse games)

[bonham990]

Joey is good and fast but he is just way to one dimensional for me

[TopCat]

but he is pretty dam good and definately one of the best, and is definately my favourite.No mistaking that. ..

[pudgytheclown]

ok maybe i could be wrong about the whole dualist thing but im pretty sure that for there newest record he used a dualist for some of there songs.
p.s. i used to absessed with slipknot but i dont listen to crap music any more
p.p.s. i still think that joey isn't half bad

[BrynnerAgassi]

Joey is a good drummer. Good double bass and get the crowd going! I will say i do think his feet at times are faster than his hand speed. When he hits those blast beats he sometimes falls back from his hand speed.
I shouldnt be speaking, im not the best double bass drummer player in the world, but i do know that Joey is good, but when it comes to double bass if you guys want to see a great double bass drum player check out the drummer from "Morbid Angel". Not my type of music but faster than hell of a double bass player.

[ewanlaing]

eew that would suck
he can barely play a solo as it is... he rushes like a pregnant woman to the hospital
what the hell?

he doesn't rush. he plays fast. there is a difference.

[Exportdrummer]

Joey Jordison is an amazing double bass player when it comes to playing fast but. There isn't anything else he can do. I mean i like double bass but when thats the only thing you can do in drumming.

[Symbolic]

^ You have not seen what Joey has done outside of Slipknot then.

[kornslipknot]

^ You have not seen what Joey has done outside of Slipknot then.

I agree. Joey does use a lot of double base, but that is only becuase he is playing in a band that is very agressive and fast. You are not going to play a slow skillfull jazz beat, to a song that is full of crushing heavy guitar.

In other words he isnt playing to be a noticed drummer, he plays for Slipknot, and hes drumming style in Slipknot is the best for the band.

[Chip]

You are not going to play a slow skillfull jazz beat, to a song that is full of crushing heavy guitar.
Yes, but the thing is, it's mostly staight 16ths. I they might have 2 songs in 12/8. There isn't much variation and dynamic in his playing.

[Zildjian 242]

I have never been a fan of slipknot mainly because I am not in to heavy metal music (tool and pantera is as heavy i can take)

Joey is very overrated. Sure he is living the dream of playing drums for the rest of his life and thats cool. He just got lucky and became in a popular band (same with barker)

Joey is not my style of music so Im not going to bash on him becasue i really never hered much of him. But from what i did hear he is not to impressive, nothing to other rock drummers like, Bonzo, Portnoy, Carey

[ewanlaing]

I have never been a fan of slipknot mainly because I am not in to heavy metal music (tool and pantera is as heavy i can take)

Joey is very overrated. Sure he is living the dream of playing drums for the rest of his life and thats cool. He just got lucky and became in a popular band (same with barker)

Joey is not my style of music so Im not going to bash on him becasue i really never hered much of him. But from what i did hear he is not to impressive, nothing to other rock drummers like, Bonzo, Portnoy, Carey
i don't think he "just got lucky". i think joey and travis put a lot of work into their drumming and their respective bands put a lot of work into their music and created something that people like.

[metalheadeza666]

He just got lucky and became in a popular band (same with barker)



That is not entirley true, Joey plays a very major role in the band, and is one of the major factors that the band are so poular, he doesn't just play the drums, he writes the majority of the material aswell. I'll agree with you to a certain extent that he is overatted a little, i personally think that Travis barker is way more overatted than Joey, i don't see the point in getting overely aggressive about defending my favourite drummer. (that's not implying that anyone else is btw)

[Zildjian 242]

That is not entirley true, Joey plays a very major role in the band, and is one of the major factors that the band are so poular, he doesn't just play the drums, he writes the majority of the material aswell. I'll agree with you to a certain extent that he is overatted a little, i personally think that Travis barker is way more overatted than Joey, i don't see the point in getting overely aggressive about defending my favourite drummer. (that's not implying that anyone else is btw)

Slipknot is not my style, he's dong better then me so cant be mad at him. He is in a popular mainstream band. And created an image for himself. I do know his double bass speed is not all him, he uses triggers to make himself look fast

I just think he's not as skilled as some other metal drummers (Danny Carey, Vinnie Paul for example)

[infernal drummer]

Slipknot is not my style, he's dong better then me so cant be mad at him. He is in a popular mainstream band. And created an image for himself. I do know his double bass speed is not all him, he uses triggers to make himself look fast

I just think he's not as skilled as some other metal drummers (Danny Carey, Vinnie Paul for example)

as far as i am told, triggers does not make you sound faster?.. it make your drums sound louder, with less power from you.. so u dont have to hit them so hard. :)

[averypoordrummer]

as far as i am told, triggers does not make you sound faster?.. it make your drums sound louder, with less power from you.. so u dont have to hit them so hard. :)


which in turn probably makes you play faster. i guess

[infernal drummer]

which in turn probably makes you play faster. i guess

i fail to see how? u still have to move your feet and arms.. and if you cant do it fast enough before, how could you do it with just more volume? anywho. im only quoting what ive read, you could be right. i just dont know how it would go faster :)

[infernal drummer]

I got the vid and uploadede it, here you go



http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SG5KUK7Y

great stuff.. does anyone got more of that concert?

[pearl drummer92]

Eh, Joey's not that great. I saw his solo on that DVD... it got boring after the first minute. All it was was double bass and rolls. All crowd-pleasers.

are u crazy! listen carefully and u will hear a bunch of cymbal stuff. and other stuff its actuall relly complicated

[Beat Spector]

to make correct sentences learn you must.

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

are u crazy! listen carefully and u will hear a bunch of cymbal stuff. and other stuff its actuall relly complicated

No I just wasn't that impressed either. I think he makes his best statement within Slipknot, as a drummer that is. I can't stand Slipknot, but he's a good drummer. Just that solo isn't the best performance I've ever seen, it was a crowd pleaser, not much else.

[kornslipknot]

No I just wasn't that impressed either. I think he makes his best statement within Slipknot, as a drummer that is. I can't stand Slipknot, but he's a good drummer. Just that solo isn't the best performance I've ever seen, it was a crowd pleaser, not much else.

You cant stand Slipknot, and that has anything to do with Joey Jordison. They would be glad not to have you as a fan, looking at that ugly head of yours :P!!!

That solo is whatever someone interprets it to be. We all have our dreams and goals, so you really make the decision of whether you like it or not. However, obviously it takes a lot of talent to pull that, and for people that say it doesnt, id like to see you do it!

[finnhiggins]

That solo is whatever someone interprets it to be. We all have our dreams and goals, so you really make the decision of whether you like it or not. However, obviously it takes a lot of talent to pull that, and for people that say it doesnt, id like to see you do it!

I'd argue it would take quite a bit of practice to play that solo. Talent would vary that amount of practice, but it's certainly not a prerequisite to play like that. You need talent to be somebody like Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Vinnie Colaiuta, Steve Gadd etc, but if you just want to play genre staples with good power and speed then it's really all just practice.

[NaturalRaZ]

Ok.. I have actually dedicated a bit of time recently paying attention to Joey's work.

First off... on the Disasterpieces DVD.. his solo sucked. The reason I say that is... he can play much better than what he did. I agree that it was all just crowd pleasing... especially to those who are not drummers. It was kinda sad to see nothing but double bass, snare/tom rolls and some cymbal crashes. Plus.. it was kind of sloppy. (Granted, he was on a moving drum riser). I have watched that solo atleast 100 times. And, I find myself fast forwarding through it, or... watching the VIP section instead.

Joey is a really great drummer. He backs Slipknot perfectly. Slipknot is not a band for everyone. Some like it, some dont. Personally.. I'm nearing 30 years old, and I love them. I just love music that makes you want to literally jump.

Joey impresses me greatly. He never used to... but.. that was due to my lack of desire to give him due attention previously.

Something that I really enjoy.. is the way Corey (Lead Singer) and Joey play off of eachother in vocal arrangement and beats. Thats pretty killer.

All in all, Joey is a grade A drummer, that IS and WILL BE an influence on the younger generation of drummers. When it comes to thrash/metal... I'm really excited to see the next generation of Joey's that are comming up.

So... if your 555 then I'm................

[Mediocrefunkybeat]

You cant stand Slipknot, and that has anything to do with Joey Jordison. They would be glad not to have you as a fan, looking at that ugly head of yours :P!!!

That solo is whatever someone interprets it to be. We all have our dreams and goals, so you really make the decision of whether you like it or not. However, obviously it takes a lot of talent to pull that, and for people that say it doesnt, id like to see you do it!

We'll leave my face out of this for that. It's a post-modern pose... an anti-pose if you will. Heh.

I can't stand Slipknot, no, but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. That's the difference. I understand that Joey is a good drummer (I would argue he's good, not great, but good). I never said I could do it, but in all honesty that kind of musical 'statement' is literally an exercise in practice. With enough practice, I'm sure quite a lot of people could play it. It's just a matter of sitting there for hours with a pad each day and a double pedal. Speed comes with practice and technique, but making music is an entirely different kettle of fish all together.

[kornslipknot]

We'll leave my face out of this for that. It's a post-modern pose... an anti-pose if you will. Heh.

I can't stand Slipknot, no, but I can appreciate the work that goes into it. That's the difference. I understand that Joey is a good drummer (I would argue he's good, not great, but good). I never said I could do it, but in all honesty that kind of musical 'statement' is literally an exercise in practice. With enough practice, I'm sure quite a lot of people could play it. It's just a matter of sitting there for hours with a pad each day and a double pedal. Speed comes with practice and technique, but making music is an entirely different kettle of fish all together.

I dont think it would take him much practice to do that. Everyone has their own style type thing when it comes to a drum solo. I can do one myself thats an asortment of all the techniques that iv learned through my playing. Everyone has something skillful that they play to people when they get on the drums. So what im saying is that Joey's solo is his thing, so therefore it wouldnt be that difficult for him to perform it. However, if he or any player were to try and learne someone elses solo, it would take hours of practice. You are good at what you play.

[BarryBuchanan]

joeys is just a grat drummer...he has his own style and ways of doing things! every drummer is different..im diofferent from other drummers..we all are! we can all do suming tht maybe sum1else cant

my style is built from Joey, traivs smith (trivium), dave lombardo(slayer), deathmetal drummers (they r all pretty similar) justin foley (KSE) Dave pirkis (my teacher)

but joey may of had his own influences etc

so stop wid all the "he is rubbish blah blah" cos hes a talented man whos worked hard 2 get where he is

[MagnZ]

I love joey's playing and the solo on disasterpiece... And the solo is just a crowd pleaser? ehh you're on a stage in front of thousands of fans. To please your the crowd is what you get paid for.. the hole point of a concert. So of course its a crowd pleaser. But it also awsome playing:D \m/OoO

[ledzeppelins666]

I love joey's playing and the solo on disasterpiece... And the solo is just a crowd pleaser? ehh you're on a stage in front of thousands of fans. To please your the crowd is what you get paid for.. the hole point of a concert. So of course its a crowd pleaser. But it also awsome playing:D \m/OoO

I see Peart in Bonzo in concert in front of maybe more people, and not do stick twirls and tosses. Peart does a few, but the only ones in the solo are at the end [Picturing R-30]. Ive never seen Bonzo flip his stick either. And the whole point of a concert? I think the whole point of the concert is to play music. Just pointing out somethings.


I've never been in to death metal, but I so respect their drummers. I'm really not to crazy on Jordison, but I still think hes got some talent.

[MagnZ]

I agree with you.. Off course the hole point of a concert is the music. But a concert with musicians that just stands straigt up an down and playing music is one thing, but a complete different thing is to see a band that gets the crowd going and make an awsome stage show and is still playing the music. Wich is what SlipKnot does.
But Rush and SlipKnot is two different bands and the fans are different too and enjoys different things. To put it in a different way: Toto was playing in Oslo and of course I was there. Steve asked every musicians in the hall to raise there hands. I coudn't see anything but hands. And I think it's the same with Rush. A nine minutt drum solo live is funny for a musician, but not for anyone who's not a musician. The same with Joey's solo, but if he ads a 90 degree drum platform to it I think just about evert fan would go nut. Get my point?

[metalheadeza666]

yes, people call Joeys disasterpieces solo a crowd pleaser, maybe that was the whole point of the solo, sure there must have musicians in the crowd, but the majority would have been just straight up Slipknot fans who would have been going beserk at the fact that Joey was going really fast and he was almost upside down, who wouldn't?

[kornslipknot]

I love joey's playing and the solo on disasterpiece... And the solo is just a crowd pleaser? ehh you're on a stage in front of thousands of fans. To please your the crowd is what you get paid for.. the hole point of a concert. So of course its a crowd pleaser. But it also awsome playing:D \m/OoO

I totally agree!
Maybe in a different type of band, the focus is more on skill and playing great music together ect... However, the band that Slipknot is, the heavy moshing ect, pleasing the crowd is what its all about.

[Slipknotfan485]

I know I know old thread.. But i've done my research on Slipknot.. interesting history if you really wanna take the time. Yes, the 2 other drummers are fairly good, Actually Shawn Crahan was the original drummer. No, Jordison is not only a heavy metal drummer. I heard a song from 1997, an original "never supposed to be heard" off their album "Crowz". Supposedly only like 3 were made, but there is a song called Wise Up, its basically 17 minutes of them just jamming, line up then was lacking Chris Fehn and a couple others, primarily Sid Wilson and Jim Root(or Mick Thompson) I cant honestly remember. But it actually sounds very little like Slipknot now. By very little I mean "wow I can't tell" Except for Jordison, I really couldn't Joey just has that style that you're like yep, that's him. But he laid down some funky grooves that I liked no less than his work on Slipknot, Iowa and Volume 3: The Subliminal Verses. I like his style, I love the rolls and double bass grooves. Fun to play too. I'm not gonna rant and rave about how all other drummers suck and Jordison is god, I love the guys style and hes my favorite but I am willing to admit that there are better drummers than him and every mans entitled to his own opinion, just wanted to shed some light onto the situation involving Shawn Crahan and Chris Fehn. :) Also about how Jordison would or wouldn't sound good playing Jazz, or something similar, i've heard it and yes he sounds very good considering its almost a decade ago.

[Dan-Pearl-Joey11]

[hello, i see what your saying about the other drummers but they make the band seem much more heavier and Chris and Shawn also do backing singing in some songs, also what would duality be without the beer keg?. With or without Chris and Shawn Joey is still amazing.

[Slipknotfan485]

Yes that also, Shawn does back up vocals for a lot of songs, The Nameless(If you listen live he also says things during the "Pathetic.. Accepted.. etc" part. Ah yes, the beer keg part in duality! haha I love seeing him live beat that thing with a baseball bat, requires no talent but he knows how to time it, if you listen to songs you'll hear it and be like damn, that added a lot of character to the song. The marching snare part in The Blister Exists is rather easy.. but it's not bad either. Easy doesn't always equal bad haha I like it, one of the first things I played actually.. Thought I was cool but now I was like oh.. that really required no talent.. haha

Also for those solo people, the 9.0 solo sounds a whole lot better than the Disasterpieces IMO. Sort of same thing but I feel like I hear a lot more cymbals and stuff

[J.W. Drummer]

Wow, that was alot of reading! Many different thoughts and views on Mr. Jordison. Heres mine: Joey is an exceptional drummer. He gives Slipknot's sound what it needs drumwise. I will never go as far to say he is the best drummer, but he could possibly be the best at what he does for them. It's all taste and opinon obviously. He is exceptional. His style and speed fit right in with Slipknot. He does play some complicated stuff too. Nice coordination, fast hands and feet.

[MeAndMyself]

The two percussionists really are useful, just not at all tracks. For instance, they don't play on The Heretic Anthem and some other songs, but they do contribute very well in songs such as The Blister Exists, Iowa, Gently and Duality. These songs would not be same without the percussionists.

As for Joey, he is an really good drummer IMO.

[sloppyn9ne]

i dunno about you guys but i really wish one day that joey jordison will stop being a topic about weither hes good or bad. he's living my dream so he must be doing something right, at least to me. good enough for me.

[Slipknotfan485]

jordison is by no means the best drummer. he is incredible but not the best. but to all those who say 'i can do that hes just quick.' i would love to see you create such complex beats to the insane music of all the other 8 members of slipknot. not so easy. i'm sure its possible, jordison just happened to be the one in slipknot, but jordison is to slipknot what bonham was to led zeppelin. enough said..

other news- yes slipknot has a new dvd coming out this year-- being worked out by shawn crahan. should be better than disasterpieces believe it or not and their supposed time of return is 2008. the new album should be out very soon after the rejoining, since most members are still warmed up due to side projects and such. they also have some material already made, they are musicians.. material can come at any time haha. no promises from me, anything can happen to alter events, hopefully not however. i for 1 am looking forward to the new slipknot album.

[KalashnikoV]

I've never been a huge fan of Jordison's work, I wouldn't go as far as to say he sucks, but from the songs and solos I've heard, he comprises most of performance with bass blast mixed with doubles, bounces, and rolls on the toms with a cymbal crash from time to time. Not much of his playing ever really demonstrates a good syncopated beat or any impressive chops. Sure, he's got some speed, but there's more than that to the equasion in my (somewhat educated) opinion.

Of course, at the same time, he does do enough to have his playing match the rest of the band, fit the style, and keep the mood, color, and tone of the song.

[pudgytheclown]

i think joey doesnt have the greatest solos (espescially the ones on disterpieces and their live cd) but i do think he has some pretty cool chops in the sound check (its on you tube) i also think duality has an amazing beat. But still Joey is not great he is just good. I consider him more of an icon for metal than for drums.

[pudgytheclown]

by the way does any body have his snare drum? Im trying to decide if i should buy one.

[metalheadeza666]

by the way does any body have his snare drum? Im trying to decide if i should buy one.

i've played his snare drum in the drum centre...

it has a nice response and sounds exactly as it does on the album (if you like the sound on the album...)

nice drum, 13 inch...

[pudgytheclown]

thanks ill take that into concideration any one else have the snare?

[kornslipknot]

are u crazy! listen carefully and u will hear a bunch of cymbal stuff. and other stuff its actuall relly complicated

I personally think that a lot of people on this thread havnt even seen his solo, they are just trying to go along with the crowd, possibly because of their dislike for Slipknot.

Joey is an awsome drummer and a huge inspiration to me. If people dislike his playing then whatever, but if you call him unskillful then your just ignorent.

[Ian Ballard]

I personally think that a lot of people on this thread havnt even seen his solo, they are just trying to go along with the crowd, possibly because of their dislike for Slipknot.

Joey is an awsome drummer and a huge inspiration to me. If people dislike his playing then whatever, but if you call him unskillful then your just ignorent.

I've seen the solo, live in concert and it was far more interesting live than watching it on the internet. He's got chops, but it really works better in Slipknot's music. Soloing to me, is the drums' attempt at being melodic and telling a complete musical story. It's not a bunch of doublebass blasts and tom/bass combos. Maybe as he gets older, his solos will become more melodic.

It's not bad stuff at all... and the crowd digs it, as did I.. the crowd also buys the records. I guess you can't argue with what makes them happy.

[doublebass]

OK.Joey is good,hes got talent,hes fast.Theres a whole bunch of metal drummers who kick his ass not to mention drummaz like gadd or weckl lol.His sucks actually...BUT the guy is a showman,he did not do the solo to earn our(the drummer-world) apreciation.He does it to please the fourteen year old moshers who call him the best drummer of the world just cause all the drummers they know is jon dolmayan and jordison.So my point is that the guy does 50% music 50%showbuisness.I find it stupid to run 5hours a day to make your doublbass spped higher instead of practising

[Ian Ballard]

OK.Joey is good,hes got talent,hes fast.Theres a whole bunch of metal drummers who kick his ass not to mention drummaz like gadd or weckl lol.His sucks actually...BUT the guy is a showman,he did not do the solo to earn our(the drummer-world) apreciation.He does it to please the fourteen year old moshers who call him the best drummer of the world just cause all the drummers they know is jon dolmayan and jordison.So my point is that the guy does 50% music 50%showbuisness.I find it stupid to run 5hours a day to make your doublbass spped higher instead of practising

Who knows... maybe Joey will burn out playing metal, take lessons from Freddy Gruber and become a jazz player.

Stranger things have happened.

[Gil_drummer]

I'll admit, even though I despise Slipknot, that Joey is a good drummer. Not the best drummer in metal, but a good drummer. Though he is not the most creative drummer, I still give him credit for developing his speed to that degree. It does take patience to develop speed, and as long as his drumming complements the music being played, I see no problem. Personally, I enjoy drummers such as Dave Lombardo and Martin Lopez, but Joey does deserve respect.

[Gil_drummer]

Originally posted by doublebass

OK.Joey is good,hes got talent,hes fast.Theres a whole bunch of metal drummers who kick his ass not to mention drummaz like gadd or weckl lol.His sucks actually...BUT the guy is a showman,he did not do the solo to earn our(the drummer-world) apreciation.He does it to please the fourteen year old moshers who call him the best drummer of the world just cause all the drummers they know is jon dolmayan and jordison.So my point is that the guy does 50% music 50%showbuisness.I find it stupid to run 5hours a day to make your doublbass spped higher instead of practising

Hmm, not sure why you mentioned John Dolmayan. I believe he is actually an underrated drummer. But this is not the Dolmayan thread, so I'll take my business to that thread :O

[II xMETALx II]

I'll admit, even though I despise Slipknot, that Joey is a good drummer. Not the best drummer in metal, but a good drummer. Though he is not the most creative drummer, I still give him credit for developing his speed to that degree. It does take patience to develop speed, and as long as his drumming complements the music being played, I see no problem. Personally, I enjoy drummers such as Dave Lombardo and Martin Lopez, but Joey does deserve respect.

I agree.

Though i do think he is creative with his solo. So many people on this thread Dont rate Joey due to so called 'crowd pleasing' solo's. What an absolute joke that is, seriously.

When you listen to the solo from 9.0 for example, joey is stopping and starting the kicks at such a fast speed, as well as doing crazy chops ect on the tomms. I listen to it completely stunned sometimes trying to figure out what he is doing.

best drummer in metal, of cource not. But not liking a drummer due to these 'crowd pleasing' solo's is rediculas.

[savage_maggot666]

To tell you guys the truth, Slipknot is my favourite band and i myself am a drummer and Joey Jordison happens to be my idol. This guy is one of the fastest drummers in history and hes one of the best also.

[stagecustom]

Joey Jordison is fast, but thats about it

[Mcdrummer]

Joey is a good drummer. I personally like Slipknot and all of you who say they suck I don't care what you think. Music is about personal likes and dislikes. I know most of you think the solo is a crowd pleaser but what would you expect? he is spinning around on a platform. If you don't like it don't listen to it and don't watch the solo!

[matt rodriguez]

just curious... does he play a Pearl PowerShifter Eliminator double pedal?

[Mcdrummer]

He usually plays two singles. I always thought they were cobras but I have been told he has switched to the eliminators.

[laurence_drummer]

I thought he played Cobra's now..

Stopped using eliminators in 2005?

Could be wrong. Would be cool to know!

If he changed, it wouldn't be the first time he's gone for the worse. The moment he decided to switch to Pearl from Orange County?

Fool =P

Love him aha!

Laul.

[h3r3tic]

Well on their first album he used to play cobras and on Iowa too - Iowa is my favourite. It´s completly brutal!
And yeah I do find it strange of him changing from ocdp to pearl drums...

[metalheadeza666]

it has been stated before, but i'll re-iterate:

joey has been endorsed by pearl since the success of Iowa, so it would make sense that he plays pearl drums, hardware and has his siggy pearl snare, so i answer to the question; yes he does now play pearl pedals, not entirley sure which ones though so sorry bout that.

in the (sometimes infamous) disasterpeices solo video, he is playing his OCDP kit with cobra pedals etc, but the 9.0 live CD solo (which i personally think is better) he is playing his pearl masters MMX complete w/pearl hardware and sig. snare

hope this elightens some people :)

[kasper92]

for all of you who still think joey's feet arnt that fast or arnt up there with the top listen to the begining of me inside....

[Bernhard]

Joey Jordison is a very good drummer - solid technique - I know it...

Doing the job with Slipknot - yes.

But it's not a sport or competition.

If so, he wouldn't be selected as a member of the US Olympic Team.

Bernhard

[tamadrummer132]

i recently watched his solo when he spins around on the thingie.. and the solo had no groove.. it was just fast double bnass with a few fills mixed in... no solid beat or groove. very disapointed

[Mook]

Why does a solo have to have a groove? If every solo had a groove then Drum Solo's would be pretty boring wouldn't they?

I've seen plenty of Buddy Rich or Tony WIlliams (to name 2) solo's without any sort of groove - not that I'm comparing Jordison with them, but you see my point...

[wy yung]

All crowd-pleasers.

Sounds to me like he did everything right. Just like Krupa. ;-)

[tamadrummer132]

Why does a solo have to have a groove? If every solo had a groove then Drum Solo's would be pretty boring wouldn't they?

I've seen plenty of Buddy Rich or Tony WIlliams (to name 2) solo's without any sort of groove - not that I'm comparing Jordison with them, but you see my point...

i know im going to get BASHED the crap out of.. but iv watched a few buddy rich videos here on drummerworld... and sure they were fast, but i like the thomas lang nautilous (spelling?) video muchhh more.

[Deathmetalconga]

Sounds to me like he did everything right. Just like Krupa. ;-)

Agreed.

I think it's important that a drummer - or any musician - play what the music calls for. Depending on the style of music, that could be a funky groove, mindless Phil Rudd backbeat, fast/mechanistic/soulless blast beat, highly syncopated jazz polyrhythm, whatever. I think it's dumb to say "Joey doesn't play a groove" when that aspect of music isn't valued in this particular genre. He plays what he needs to play and does it well in terms of what the genre calls for. Slipknot's brand of metal is as subtle as a jackhammer and the drummer needs to support that.

To me, Ringo Starr is one of the most uninspiring, limp drummers I have ever heard. But he played exactly what the music needed.

www.terrasonus.com

[secondXheartbeat]

Agreed.

I think it's important that a drummer - or any musician - play what the music calls for. Depending on the style of music, that could be a funky groove, mindless Phil Rudd backbeat, fast/mechanistic/soulless blast beat, highly syncopated jazz polyrhythm, whatever. I think it's dumb to say "Joey doesn't play a groove" when that aspect of music isn't valued in this particular genre. He plays what he needs to play and does it well in terms of what the genre calls for. Slipknot's brand of metal is as subtle as a jackhammer and the drummer needs to support that.

To me, Ringo Starr is one of the most uninspiring, limp drummers I have ever heard. But he played exactly what the music needed.

www.terrasonus.com

I agree completely. I myself used to find Brad Wilk (Audioslave, Rage Against the Machine) boring and unoriginal, until I realized how much is playing complimented the other musicians.

When people slam drummers for being too technical, no technical enough, or unoriginal, they're usually taking the playing out of context.


PS: Deathmetalconga your avatar is freaking me out...

[Jeff Almeyda]

Yes, I can drum like Joey. I actually got paid $1200.00 to play on 6 tracks recently in which I was told to "drum like Joey".

I find that funny because Joey is drumming like Dave Lombardo, only not as good.

[TopCat]

Yep, more or less. 20000000000000000

[NUTHA JASON]

that solo is a great piece of showmanship and truly not a good piece of musicianship. nice to watch but not to listen to. you should aspire to putting on a show like that but not to being able to drum like that. want to hear good solos in the same general genre then look up jason bitner or thomas haake. hell even aquiles priester is faster and more musical.

j

[wy yung]

I think many drummers miss the point when it comes to soloing in front of an audience of non drummers. As Louis Bellson has so often said, Krupa was not the most technically gifted drummer of his era, but all he had to do was hit the splash cymbal and smile to bring the house down. Non drummers simply do not understand the complex riff in 5 taking place over the syncopated 7/8 played with the feet. Simply put, once people reach a point of not understanding what is going on, they can lose interest.

Many times when non drummers talk to me about drum solos, they mention Ina Gadda da Vida. Certainly not the most complex of solos. But non drummers are able in some way to relate to it and remember it.

It is our job to please the audience. That is what Joey did.

This idea that every drum solo must in some way be superior to every other drum solo fails to take into acount musicality. Drumming is NOT a sport.

[punkdrummer1]

Joey, as you can see and hear with slipknot, is a great drummer. He's won numerous awards and been mentioned in tons of media: (drummng magazines, metal magazines, mtv, etc.). He is very talented, and ia argubly one of the greatest drummers in metal/ hardcore music...

Now the 2 percussionest, Chris Fehn and Shawn Crahan, are actuely very talented. people think, oh these guys just bang the hell out of there custom ''trash can'' drums, but the actuely are there to make the songs interesting. Listen to songs like ''the blister exists'', or ''Left Behind'': You can here there drums, espeacillay on the blister exists, when they do a pretty cool snare drum solo! Now i know what you're thinking, ''that snare part is easy'', and it is, i can do it, But, its what makes them individuals! You wouldent here a marching solo in a metalica song! They are there for one reason: to make them individuals!!!!

[NUTHA JASON]

actuley i can think of a few metallica songs with marching parts.

j

[DWfan20005]

Before I thought all he was good at was fast playing and stuff. Then I watched his sound rehersal video on this website. Man was I wrong. I love the tuning on his drums. Wish I could tune that well. Anyways, he's probably my favorite drummer out of all these nu-metal drummers. He even uses drums that can take the music. C'mon Chris Adler using Mapex drums for metal. Sorry for being off topic again. Joey will definitly have a lasting impression on metal drumming and can not wait to see if he will be on a Modern Drummer Festival DVD.

[MagnZ]

Before I thought all he was good at was fast playing and stuff. Then I watched his sound rehersal video on this website. Man was I wrong. I love the tuning on his drums. Wish I could tune that well. Anyways, he's probably my favorite drummer out of all these nu-metal drummers. He even uses drums that can take the music. C'mon Chris Adler using Mapex drums for metal. Sorry for being off topic again. Joey will definitly have a lasting impression on metal drumming and can not wait to see if he will be on a Modern Drummer Festival DVD.

What is wrong with using Mapex drums for metal? Frost of Satyricon and 1349 plays with Mapex and the stuff he plays is alot more bone breaking heavy then Joey's stuff

[TopCat]

Before I thought all he was good at was fast playing and stuff. Then I watched his sound rehersal video on this website. Man was I wrong. I love the tuning on his drums. Wish I could tune that well. Anyways, he's probably my favorite drummer out of all these nu-metal drummers. He even uses drums that can take the music. C'mon Chris Adler using Mapex drums for metal? Sorry for being off topic again. Joey will definitly have a lasting impression on metal drumming and can not wait to see if he will be on a Modern Drummer Festival DVD.You've just made my day

[drummer_dudley]

so anyone gunna chuck a vid up?

[DWfan20005]

I think many drummers miss the point when it comes to soloing in front of an audience of non drummers. As Louis Bellson has so often said, Krupa was not the most technically gifted drummer of his era, but all he had to do was hit the splash cymbal and smile to bring the house down. Non drummers simply do not understand the complex riff in 5 taking place over the syncopated 7/8 played with the feet. Simply put, once people reach a point of not understanding what is going on, they can lose interest.

Many times when non drummers talk to me about drum solos, they mention Ina Gadda da Vida. Certainly not the most complex of solos. But non drummers are able in some way to relate to it and remember it.

It is our job to please the audience. That is what Joey did.

This idea that every drum solo must in some way be superior to every other drum solo fails to take into acount musicality. Drumming is NOT a sport.

I did not notice what Wy Yung said before but it makes complete sense, that said , why are non drummers impresssed by Neil Peart then?

[DWfan20005]

What is wrong with using Mapex drums for metal? Frost of Satyricon and 1349 plays with Mapex and the stuff he plays is alot more bone breaking heavy then Joey's stuff

Your just angry cause you use Mapex,I would be too, cause MAPEX DRUMS SUCK! The only music they are good for is jazz and funk,period.

[TopCat]

Your just angry cause you use Mapex,I would be too, cause MAPEX DRUMS SUCK! The only music they are good for is jazz and funk,period.

Are you kidding me? or just completely retarded?

How do Mapex drums 'suck' and how are they only good for Jazz and funk?

[wy yung]

I did not notice what Wy Yung said before but it makes complete sense, that said , why are non drummers impresssed by Neil Peart then?


I'd say the reason is due to how the solo is set up as a large part of the show. It was the same back in the days of Emerson Lake and Palmer. There is a big difference in a solo that is choreographed and arranged with lights camera action, to a highly technical solo without such staging.

[DWfan20005]

Are you kidding me? or just completely retarded?

How do Mapex drums 'suck' and how are they only good for Jazz and funk?

No im just kidding. Just for some reason i can not picture them in metal music.

[DWfan20005]

I'd say the reason is due to how the solo is set up as a large part of the show. It was the same back in the days of Emerson Lake and Palmer. There is a big difference in a solo that is choreographed and arranged with lights camera action, to a highly technical solo without such staging.

Now it makes sense. I could picture someone getting bored during a Danny Carey solo though.

[MagnZ]

Your just angry cause you use Mapex,I would be too, cause MAPEX DRUMS SUCK! The only music they are good for is jazz and funk,period.
Angry? I'm PROUD to be a Mapex owner.. I'm PROUD to know that my Mapex drums will work in every situation. I use them for jazz, funk, rock, punk, metal, Norwegian black metal. (And that some serious heavy stuff)

[wy yung]

Now it makes sense. I could picture someone getting bored during a Danny Carey solo though.

I think that a lot of a solo's success in that enviroment comes down to presentation. Some people are simply more gifted when it comes to giving the people what they want. I suppose we see how this works in the mainstream when we look at pop music and, jazz, for example. Some people are better able to write a hook that grabs the attention of the majority. Then there are those who please in lesser amounts. One is not necessarily more important or superior to the other, just different. Somebody like Carl Palmer is able to be a great showman; shirt off, banging away on gongs as the riser revolves, building a solo to an exciting climax etc. Then there's someone like Jeff Watts, who can play beautifully, subtlely and who can move those near who listen to ecstacy. But the chances of seeing him banging away on gongs amid flashing lights and fireworks in a 50,000 seat stadium are less than good. It's like I said earlier, Krupa was able to play something simple and catch the imagination. Not everyone can or wants to do that. Things don't have to be complex to be good. Some of the nicest things in life are simple. It seems the same with solos. This is why I believe Joey did a fantastic job. He gave people what they wanted and what they could identify with.

That's my take on it anyway.

[II xMETALx II]

I think people miss the whole point of his solo though. The solo is a challenge to play, but its not unreal.

But the the whole thing about Slipknot is about doing things differently. Joey's upside down thing is unique and its very cool. There are many drummers that can play technical solos, so i appreciate the fact that he attempts something new.

No one should take anything away from Joey, he is an amazing drummer and deserves all the credit he gets.

[tamadrummer132]

Your just angry cause you use Mapex,I would be too, cause MAPEX DRUMS SUCK! The only music they are good for is jazz and funk,period.


-blank stare-


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[Mapex589]

Your just angry cause you use Mapex,I would be too, cause MAPEX DRUMS SUCK! The only music they are good for is jazz and funk,period.

Damn, I am so angry!!

[The Chemist]

WOW! I've ALWAYS considered Buddy Rich the first "Joey Jordison" or "Travis Barker". Let me ellaborate.


4- He couldn't read music

stu

I actually lol'd at that. Barker reads music ( he writes it, too), and Jordison reads music. Sometime, try to find videos of either drummer tracking in the studio. I saw one where Barker had page after page of music beside him, and Jordison had a small peice for snare only (I forget what song)

[drumminbro23]

I think people miss the whole point of his solo though. The solo is a challenge to play, but its not unreal.

But the the whole thing about Slipknot is about doing things differently. Joey's upside down thing is unique and its very cool. There are many drummers that can play technical solos, so i appreciate the fact that he attempts something new.

I dont know when doing bass roles fills and snare roles became new, but ya he is a hell of a drummer.... id have to say that solo was kinda a low point but he is great in there songs.

[schist]

Boring and overrated. Sure, he can play, but he's far from great.

[schist]

No im just kidding. Just for some reason i can not picture them in metal music.

Witek (Decapitated), Aquiles Priester (Angra), Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater (1994-1995)) ... the list goes on.

[blueshoes12]

Joey is drumming for Korn on their Family Values tour this summer. Just saw it on Slipknot's website under the news section. Slipknot1.com

[tynn]

where can i find a tape/video/mp3 of Joey playing for Satyricon?:O I love them bouth!

BTW: Have you heard the good news?! Joey is playing with korn for the next 5 months:D:D

[tynn]

anyone know if there is going to be a DVD, or something with Joey and Korn?

[tynn]

Check it out! Joey and Korn!:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKoffcezWKw

[Dahmer-Gein]

Open forum to say anything you want... so
What do you think of Joey's drumming style??
Is he just fast arms and legs?



For a most private contact:

final.sins.__@hotmail.com

[SKELETON CHRIST]

he is fast but that is all he is got going for him...not a slipnot a fan,they will proble have a cry and say he is goodd but he is just fast...

[44Ronin]

He is overated , that is for sure

[spartacus1989]

Joey Jordison can't take his foot off his double pedal to save his life!!

He is only built for speed!!

[lerimed]

You can say what ever you want but Joey is not only fast drummer... he's really good. If you listen wait and bleed, theres not only speed, theres melody. And if you want speed... i mean theres plenty "speedy" songs...

[Spartacus]

The media needs a posterboy for everything

Joey was for at one time
and now its Travis..

[volume_3]

Joey is an excellent drummer. Just because his Disasterpiece solo was all crowd pleaser doesnt mean he cant actually play anything else! Also the two percussionists do know how to play drums, listen to The Blister Exists of their latest cd. I saw them at Big Day Out (Australia) and watched them play rudiments on their snares! I mean hey, why knock them? Should there be 3 drumkits in Slipknot?? :P

Yep, Shaun was the drummer before Joey joined.

I like Slipknot, but im not too keen on Joey's drumming, i really like what Shaun and Chris add though, you can hear them if you know what to listen out for.

Plus their sound and genre asks for speed I think, and Joey offers that,

But yea his solo does kind abore me a bit.

[spyder]

Video of Joey playing with Korn. Joey was hired to play what Bozzio recorded. Needless to say, Joey did a poor job of it. I think he should stick to speed metal lol. Maybe it's me, but it sounds like it don't groove as well. Granted Bozzio is God! But still, none of the drumming patterns are even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDrU2BYKlA&mode=related&search=

[Bernhard]

Needless to say, Joey did a poor job of it.


What is your legitimation for giving such a comment?.

What position do you have in the industry? Or are you just a............then ok..

Bernhard

[That Guy]

Video of Joey playing with Korn. Joey was hired to play what Bozzio recorded. Needless to say, Joey did a poor job of it. I think he should stick to speed metal lol. Maybe it's me, but it sounds like it don't groove as well. Granted Bozzio is God! But still, none of the drumming patterns are even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDrU2BYKlA&mode=related&search=

Your opinion is noted. Keep in mind that you are watching/listening to a youtube video and the sound quality is horrible. I'm sure if you were at the show you would proabably feel different. Joey backing Korn is definately going to be interesting, especially if they get to write original material together. As far as I know, he is only backing them for shows and pre written material. I think Joey is a wonderful drummer... I would love to hear what Korn would sound like if Joey was part of the writting process! But, he is going back with the KnOt to write another record in the very near future. After that.. well see.

[Mapex589]

Video of Joey playing with Korn. Joey was hired to play what Bozzio recorded. Needless to say, Joey did a poor job of it. I think he should stick to speed metal lol. Maybe it's me, but it sounds like it don't groove as well. Granted Bozzio is God! But still, none of the drumming patterns are even close.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcDrU2BYKlA&mode=related&search=

It sounded fine to me.

[Drumms]

What is your legitimation for giving such a comment?.

What position do you have in the industry? Or are you just a............then ok..

Bernhard

Does he have to be important or recognized in the industry to have the right for such comments? If it's the case, that would be an argument by authority, which is a logical fallacy.

[DogBreath]

Does he have to be important or recognized in the industry to have the right for such comments? If it's the case, that would be an argument by authority, which is a logical fallacy.

Actually the post that Bernhard was commenting on contained a logical fallacy by including the phrase "needless to say" when he was merely expressing an opinion, one which obvioulsy is not shared by others. Do you really want someone to start monitoring your posts for language skills or logical consistency? I hardly think that Bernhard needs to justify his remarks to you.

[Joel Woody]

you still have to practice to be fast......haha.....im not that fast.....

[That Guy]

Actually the post that Bernhard was commenting on contained a logical fallacy by including the phrase "needless to say" when he was merely expressing an opinion, one which obvioulsy is not shared by others. Do you really want someone to start monitoring your posts for language skills or logical consistency? I hardly think that Bernhard needs to justify his remarks to you.

I'm glad you said it DB. Thankyou. My initial response was to strictly comment on that part of his post, but I figured I would leave it alone becuase it would have strayed from the thread topic and I didn't want to start trouble. I'm not here to monitor and bring someones illogical consistencies to the forefront, even if it is directly warranted. Thats your job.. lol.

The great thing about DrummerWorld is that the members here are kindly and graciously granted freedom of expression from Bern when it comes to thier opinions. As much as I love this place.. I tend to cringe at some of the post I read and think to myself.. "am I the only one who caught that" and become baffled when there is no accountablity or rebuttle. Most of the time I chalk it up to a member using a phrase in a context that they don't fully understand. I'm glad you pointed it out... lol.

[Eye of the Beholder]

I don't like either Slipknot or Joey jordison so i might be little prejudiced here, but I think joey jordison is a tasteless drummer. i was forced to watch some of his solos on Youtube because apparently the guitarist in my band is a fan of slipknot. they sucked. all of his solos are bunch of fast bass drum work and some fast snares thrown in.. most boring solos ever. even Tommy Lee solo will be better.

that said, now i'm gonna get flamed by hardcore slipknot fans.

[That Guy]

I don't like either Slipknot or Joey jordison so i might be little prejudiced here, but I think joey jordison is a tasteless drummer.

Could you elaborate a little more please? Is your point of view based strictly on his solo performances? Please give a little more meat to your opinon cuz I am curious about what it is spicifically that helps you to think that he is a "tasteless drummer."

[Nahuel]

Your just angry cause you use Mapex,I would be too, cause MAPEX DRUMS SUCK! The only music they are good for is jazz and funk,period.

You're completly wrong. I play a lot of Slipknot songs with my Mapex drum set and it sounds amazing. Just beacuse a lot of metal drummers use Tama or Pearl it doesn't mean that a Mapex won't sound as good as them. Aquiles Priester uses a Mapex and it really sounds good.

[NIMBY]

it doesnt matter what brand of kit it is, a drum kit can be tuned to suit any genre, thought that was common knowledge

[jazzin']

Sorry to be off topic here but since when were Mapex drums good for jazz and funk...period? They started out as a rock drum brand and that is still mainly what they are used for. They're good drums.

Anyway, I think Joey is good at what he plays. He doesn't stand out as anything special nor as bad as so many seem to think. He's just a good metal player that has had a bit too much publicity thrown his way and, of course, where there is publicity, there is criticism.

As far as his soloing goes, if he didn't play big, fast double bass ridden solos he wouldn't be a very good metal player as that is exactly what is wanted for metal drumming. He plays what the music calls for.

[sio_13]

Slipknot has plenty of dynamic to their music, which can be pretty tough to play. Until you listen to every part of every song then you can't say whether he sucks or not, because odds are you missed something. I'll admit, I can feel a headache coming on if I hear too much jordison, but that's my taste; he's a very talented drummer with hordes of die-hard fans across the globe. In my mind, thats success... or am I missing something here? He's also a guitar player (shreds, in fact) for other bands, i.e. the Murder Dolls. Just FYI

[Gilded]

I hear Shawn and Chris (the two percussionists) aren't even mic'd up for most of the live concerts, just show really. But if you listen to some older songs you can hear them, especialy in Scissors - Slipknot.

[casey♥joeyjordison]

..well,....actually,....if those to guys are gone,...joey would still not be better,...cause they have nothing to do with him in the first place....those two guys,.even though they leave the band,.Joey would still be performing the same,...do you get it???..i hope so...Ü....


..and those two guys,.they help with the vocals and,..they just do the hittin of those barrels (lolxx i dont know what to call those things) for additional drumlike sounds...and doing stunts and other freaky stuff....so,..it would be the same even if they leave..

[lewisn27]

i think it wouldn't make a difference if those other dudes weren't there. especialy that dude hitting a beer keg with a baseball bat, he is pointless. but it is fun to watch them jump in the crowd and stuff. it does add to the entertainment aspect but not the musical aspect.

[Resok]

..well,....actually,....if those to guys are gone,...joey would still not be better,...cause they have nothing to do with him in the first place....those two guys,.even though they leave the band,.Joey would still be performing the same,...do you get it???..i hope so...Ü....


..and those two guys,.they help with the vocals and,..they just do the hittin of those barrels (lolxx i dont know what to call those things) for additional drumlike sounds...and doing stunts and other freaky stuff....so,..it would be the same even if they leave..

Sorry, but I couldn't really understand that. :D
Joey's pretty cool, he's a bit of a flash git, overplaying a few times, but I rate his speed.

[casey♥joeyjordison]

Sorry, but I couldn't really understand that. :D
Joey's pretty cool, he's a bit of a flash git, overplaying a few times, but I rate his speed.


...oooohh...sorry,.my english is kinda bad..what i was trying to say is....eventhough those two percussionists leave the band,.still nothing's going to change with joey..

[m1ck]

His speed, precision and technical ability are amazing, imo. The only Slipknot CD I have is The Subliminal Verses, so I'm basing my opinion mostly on that. As far as style goes, what he plays fits the band's sound. Sometimes he seems a little dry/mechanical, to me: fast, energetic and precise, but not much groove.

He is highly respectable as a drummer, at the very least. I can see why he has so many fans.

[jeffdadrummer23]

dont you think that he would be a lot better without the other two "percussionists" in slipknot?
Yes I do...You can't here them at all.
There just there for show to me.

[jeffdadrummer23]

I personaly don't care for him at all.
The only thing decent on him is his foot speed.
But uhh yeah...Dave Makintosh beats him by far!

[Ben Tormey]

Like with Travis Barker, the amount of discussion about this guy is disproportionate to his actual ability.

[ihatesticktricks]

Wasn't Buddy Rich the first to do the rotating upside-down stage thingy?

i think it might have been Peter Criss from KISS

[Moon_Type_Drummer]

Actually I live in Iowa, and a year or 2 ago I was at the local guitar center and joey was in there playing his own signature kit that they had set up for sale
i wouldnt touch any drumset in there while he was there, i was too intimidated

it was wild.

[Zoofie]

Hey guys
Just wondering about what sort of tuning i could use to get Joey Jordisons sound on toms?
Does he have both bottom and top heads tuned low , or one tuned higher than the other etc?
I know i won't be able to mimic his exact sound , but id like to get close :)
Thanks alot

[darkstar442]

Infact even those this is an old thread it wouldnt make a difference. They are just backround noises like the dumpsters and stuff just little backup. Infact they are backup percusionists and thank you ihatesticktricks for pointing out that he is extremely over rated! Also i cant stand it when my friends are like dude did u see travis barker playing dude he is the fastest and most insane drummer ever! it just drives me crazy. for speed look at george kollias he has true talent not only in speed but creativity!

[Zoofie]

Hey guys , i know you can't mimic this guys sound exactly. But how would you tune toms to sound like his? Is it batter head very low or what?
Thanks alot.

[Mystic]

I don't think anyone understands that joey is not a complete speed demon, if you actually listen to some Slipknot tracks and not just listen to how damn fast every instrument is going, you can hear that he is using a lot of creative techniques and beats. He is not a fast drummer in my opinion, now inferno on the other hand phew get him some ice for those chops.

[ThisSpitefulSnake]

Yeah, Joey's not the best, but neither is anyone else. There is no "best" drummer. He's really good and I have respect for him as a drummer and he's just a great guy. He was the one who influenced me to play drums. Now I'm influenced by him still and Chris Adler and Tomas Haake.

[(sic)chic]

Have you seen him play???!!!
He's amazing! I would kill to be able to play like him!

=) Luv yhoo guyz

[(sic)chic]

Eh, Joey's not that great. I saw his solo on that DVD... it got boring after the first minute. All it was was double bass and rolls. All crowd-pleasers.

Oh my gosh! = 0
No Way!!! Joey is great and how could you get bored watching him??
He's cool as... but I still respect what you have to say, everyone is different.

=)

[jarrod]

I doubt he will ever be in the class with George kollias or pete sandoval or any of them but he fits slipknot and that is what is important. He has also helped drumming alot. He has done what every drummer has ever wanted to do. There not my fav band but i can respect his talent.. and he solo wasnt good drumming wise but it looked sick!

[Flying Leukemia]

The worst thing about people insulting Joey Jordison is that he doesn't claim to be amazing. He just does a style of drumming that he and the Slipknot audience enjoy.

But besides that, when people insult Jordison they aren't doing it based on HIS skill. They are insulting him because they don't like the band which is ludicrous.

I have seen Joey Jordison play a proper solo and he is actually incredible. I don't doubt that he can hold his own against the greats. He does usually play in standard 4/4 from what I can tell but he has incredible technical skill and in that regard he may even beat out people such as Portnoy, Moon, Carey, and Peart.


Joey Jordison is an immaculate drummer skill-wise. I just don't think he has the creativity that people like Portnoy and Carey demonstrated or showmanship that people like Moon demonstrated.

[Buddy9832]

I can see Joey Jordison being a very very talented drummer. To me it seems Slipknot limits him in his ability to explore further on the drums. Who knows if he was with the right type of metal band maybe you could hear more technical and more creative drumming from him.

For an example I think Martin Lopez whom I also believe is very talented drummer was fortunate enough to be in the prog metal band Opeth. Opeth I believed allowed Lopez to be able to bring about his Jazz and blues influences to the band.

If Jordison was in a metal band like Opeth I think we would hear a much better Joey Jordison.

[scaryspikes]

N.J.J. has influenced me quite a bit as a drummer. Since 1999 I have tried to create my own sound and my own style as an aspiring percussionist, and got my beginnings not just on the kit, but also as a symphony percussionist, having played other instruments such as Timpany, Stand Up Bass Drum, Triangle, Xylaphone, Concert Snare, and other percussion instruments such as congas, tamborines, hand cymbals, and others. Since my start in '99 I have grown to love his style even though it highly relies on his footwork, and only recently having tried to get my feet to move as fast as his can I really say that I honor him for his work because it is damn hard to get it perfect. He might be somewhat of a linear styled drummer, but it works very well for his music, it contributes to his band, and it still shows his skill as he more often than not breaks into a crazy beat or groove that you are not expecting, but generally that tends to happen in the studio during a warmup as opposed to a live show- or so I have heard. And for his height, about 5'5", he packs a hell of a punch on those drums of his. So with that being said I think those who believe he is just a linear drummer without much skill are entitled to their opinions, but should pay respect to him because he has obviously done very well for himself and has gone very far. Someday I'd love to meet the man even if it was for a short while and I could only ask him a few questions...which of course if that was the case, would take me quite a bit to think about :P And finally I just wanted to add I just picked up a really nice '82 pearl vintage birch kit in blood red, and of course I picked up the JJ Sig. Snare, Sticks, and P2000C PowerShifter Eliminator Pedals which sound absolutely bloody AMAZING. I dream of someday owning an MMX Masters kit like his, complementary to one of my other custom kits.

[scaryspikes]

I don't think anyone understands that joey is not a complete speed demon, if you actually listen to some Slipknot tracks and not just listen to how damn fast every instrument is going, you can hear that he is using a lot of creative techniques and beats. He is not a fast drummer in my opinion, now inferno on the other hand phew get him some ice for those chops.

I know what you mean. He sounds fast but if you actually watch his hands, he complements his hands with his feet a lot, and he plays in four note groups a lot, such as HHFF, H being Hand and F being Foot. Then he just alternates toms, and played in 16ths it sounds BLAZINGLY fast, not to mention the tuning of his MMX Masters toms gives them that added punch. Glad to see I'm not the only one who picked up on that ;)

[GNRFAN]

It looks like Joey has started using triggers now on his kit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Joey_Jordison_at_Mayhem.jpg

Is this year the first time he has used triggers live? I thought he was against using them before.

[charlyivan]

i am 15, and iv been listening to music ever since i can remember, iv been playing drums for only about a year and Lars Ulrich and Joey Jordison are 2 people that really turned me into drumming. it was joey who first shown me what a double bass pedal was, when i first saw it, i was stunned, and ever since i saw him using it, iv always wanted to buy one, but i cant get the money of ma mum. When i saw him do his solo on the disasterpiece dvd in London, he stepped it up another notch in my eyes, i hope to see them in england this december. If anyone could give me any tips on drumming, i will be happy to read them. Thanks

[Tutin]

He's using triggers now? Aww, shame. I always respected him because he didn't. When I saw them live in 04' I couldn't believe how consistent the notes were at some pretty high tempos. Like Get this for example, the double bass near the end is just so powerful. Blows me away every time, even when I see a live video.

All I can assume is that he's gonna be playing really fast now. Crazy little dude.

T

[GNRFAN]

charlyivan,

Here is Get This from last month with Joey using triggers -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss4lbE_Fnk

You can certainly tell the difference in his bass drum sound!

I reacon he has finally switched over to using them just for the consistency in the kicks and to replicate the kick sound on the albums, there is no reason that any big name metal or rock drummer shouldn't be using triggers now. The benefits are huge.

[DjKaos]

Could you elaborate a little more please? Is your point of view based strictly on his solo performances? Please give a little more meat to your opinon cuz I am curious about what it is spicifically that helps you to think that he is a "tasteless drummer."


He obviously hasn't hear the latest from Slipknot LOL

[Tutin]

charlyivan,

Here is Get This from last month with Joey using triggers -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss4lbE_Fnk

You can certainly tell the difference in his bass drum sound!

I reacon he has finally switched over to using them just for the consistency in the kicks and to replicate the kick sound on the albums, there is no reason that any big name metal or rock drummer shouldn't be using triggers now. The benefits are huge.

There is a good reason. I have a bass drum that sounds lovely, and it cost me a lot of money. Why would I want to replace that sound that I've spent good time and money getting with a trigger when I can be just as consistent at these speeds? Fair enough if you're pushing 240bpm+, even though Derek Roddy can hit speeds like that with no triggers, but he's a bit of an exception. Anyhow, Joey's only hitting 210bpm or so, and he can do it without the triggers. Why bother? Yeah, it takes a bit less time out of setting up, but at the end of the day it's just laziness IMO.

And I watched the video, the kicks stick out far too much, which is another thing I hate about triggers. You have to get the mix right, and this mix isn't.

This is all just a matter of opinion though, so there you are.

T

[GNRFAN]

And I watched the video, the kicks stick out far too much, which is another thing I hate about triggers. You have to get the mix right, and this mix isn't.

Well it all depends how much you are relying on triggers to provide the kick sound if you do a mix between triggers and micing in the kick drum the result is a very nice warm powerful sound if you use the right type of kick trigger sample and micing. It doesn't all have to be loud and clicky just because your using triggers, its just most metal drummers want them this way.

Joey is just going for the loud stick out clicky type of sound which most metal drummers seem to want.

You can do a lot more with triggers if your not looking for the clicky metal type sound.

[Baddstuff]

I've been a rock/metal fan for many many years but bands like Slipknot do absolutely nothing for me. Jordison does some nice things every now and then but I really don't care much for his style of drumming. I'm not into blast beats or blast anything. I guess if I was 15 years old that kind of stuff might get me all hot and bothered. I'm not saying Joey is a bad drummer because I know there are far worse out there but his style isn't my cup of tea.
I was watching one of his solos on youtube and it's all about double bass. I'd like to hear him with just one bass drum and have him rely more on his hands than feet. Fast double bass licks can hide a lot. For those that enjoy Slipknot and Jordison, have at it. I'll pass.

give me Joe Franco's drum solo from the Klash-Ka-Bob track on the Good Rats Live at Last album over Joey's solo(s) any day of the week.

[7DaysToTheWolves]

I miss the Joey tha didn't rely on triggers.

[GNRFAN]

I miss the Joey tha didn't rely on triggers.

What people forget is a lot of drummers who are not speed drummers i.e - Tommy Lee, John Miceli, Eric Singer etc. all use triggers for the sound and clearness benefits only not for any other reason other than the sound benefits of triggers far way out any negatives.

Joey probably isn't relying on triggers as such he just wants a really nice sound from all his drums.

[Progdrummer160]

I dont get it why people like him..... Really.. it aint that hard what he does I gues he practise his double bass every day an hour (or les..) Boring solo's imo and I hate his songs :D

[Guz2]

I didn't really like him until Psychosocial owned me.

[what the funk of it]

I can't believe Slipknot is still making music, such a gimmick.

I recently saw an interview with a couple members on Much. They were trying to explain that music shouldn't be about image and egos... as they were both dressed in full costume - jumpsuits, masks.

I dont really like slipknot, though Joey is my favourite member.

All his fills sound the same to me...

[ddamm27913]

All his fills sound the same to me...

because they are

Joey jordison was so badass when i was in middle school. same with travis barker. i was so happy to leave that phase and find idols that are actually good

[(sic)chic]

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT STUF ABOUT JOEY?!!!!!!! He is great and I love him, I can't believe you can say that about him and the greatest band ever: SlipKnoT!!!

[sk8erpnkmt369]

I admit the Joey is a great drummer. He's very precise and he has some notable techniques.

But believe me when i say Slipknot does him, by no means, ANY justice.

He is way to good for them. But if he digs them. It's whatever.

I was at one point a slipknot fan. back during there first two cd's. After that everything went downhill.

[noahwinslow1]

slipknot sucks musicly, but joey is great and his techinique is awesome.

[GNRFAN]

I didn't really like him until Psychosocial owned me.

I actually think the exact opposite about that song, it is very very simple.

When I heard it for the first time I was surprised how basic it sounded on the drums compared to some other Slipknot songs. I can play it quite comfortably and I can't say the same thing about other Slipknot songs.

[metal overlord]

I actually think the exact opposite about that song, it is very very simple.

When I heard it for the first time I was surprised how basic it sounded on the drums compared to some other Slipknot songs. I can play it quite comfortably and I can't say the same thing about other Slipknot songs.

That's the beauty of it. He doesn't over-do or over-power the track. It's not supposed to be difficult or "look what I can do!". Even though it's simple, it's powerful. It can relly get you going.

[Anduin]

Wow! Lots of vitriol in this thread for our poor Nathan Jordison.

I'd heard his name for years. Saw the full-page adverts in Modern Drummer etc. But never really heard him play, as that genre doesn't grab my ear normally. So I went out and bought the All Hope Is Gone album on a whim. I fully expected to listen maybe once or twice and then file it. But Holy Excrement! It totally grabbed me! And this coming from a guy who listens to pretty much every genre from jazz to world and grew up on Peart.

Sure, yeah, the Slipknot style of metal is fairly narrow, but Joey freaking nails it! And the songs are pretty good too. I gather that Joey is the prime (or one of the prime) writers, so more kudos to him for that. And how much fun would it be to play a balls-to-the-wall rock solo on a huge kit turning upside down?!

It's easy to criticize people who've made it, but I hope a lot of that negative energy is put to good use during hours of practice. And, yes, I can play all those licks too (er, maybe not the all-out blastbeats), but I sure don't have the stamina to do it all night, night after night.

Go Joey!

[metal overlord]

Wow! Lots of vitriol in this thread for our poor Nathan Jordison.

I'd heard his name for years. Saw the full-page adverts in Modern Drummer etc. But never really heard him play, as that genre doesn't grab my ear normally. So I went out and bought the All Hope Is Gone album on a whim. I fully expected to listen maybe once or twice and then file it. But Holy Excrement! It totally grabbed me! And this coming from a guy who listens to pretty much every genre from jazz to world and grew up on Peart.

Sure, yeah, the Slipknot style of metal is fairly narrow, but Joey freaking nails it! And the songs are pretty good too. I gather that Joey is the prime (or one of the prime) writers, so more kudos to him for that. And how much fun would it be to play a balls-to-the-wall rock solo on a huge kit turning upside down?!

It's easy to criticize people who've made it, but I hope a lot of that negative energy is put to good use during hours of practice. And, yes, I can play all those licks too (er, maybe not the all-out blastbeats), but I sure don't have the stamina to do it all night, night after night.

Go Joey!


Thank you. That was me, I never really liked Slipknot either. But then I decided to listen to them because I here how awesome Joey is. And needless to say, I liked them both =D

[Bryan77]

I think Joey is a good drummer. I don't think he's the best or even close to being to best (in my opinion) but, I wouldn't say he's a bad drummer.

[MattParker]

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[trkdrmr]

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You need to contribute something to the forum besides spam and silliness, or I am sure you will get booted. I'll help.

[Therma lobsterdore]

Slipknot are terrible, there are so many superior metal bands out there, if you can even consider them metal. Joey is alright though, he's pretty average for a metal drummer though. I've never understood why he gets so much praise, perhaps it comes from people that have only listened to the more commercial metal bands and haven't had much experience with death metal or black metal.

[trkdrmr]

Slipknot are terrible, there are so many superior metal bands out there, if you can even consider them metal. Joey is alright though, he's pretty average for a metal drummer though. I've never understood why he gets so much praise, perhaps it comes from people that have only listened to the more commercial metal bands and haven't had much experience with death metal or black metal.

I've never understood or cared for black or death metal. That stuff is too fringe and sounds aweful, like the cookie monster during a steroid rage.

OTOH, "All hope is gone" is an excellent cd.

[kwolf68]

I've never understood or cared for black or death metal. That stuff is too fringe and sounds aweful, like the cookie monster during a steroid rage.

OTOH, "All hope is gone" is an excellent cd.


I hear you. All these extreme black metal bands began playing faster than Slayer because 'that was the thing to do' and then start putting decapitated heads of goats on their stage, some inverted crosses and a bunch of anti-Christian pablum (Im not religious so Im not coming from that perspective) and act real evvviiilll, you know I ascared, have some Omen-esque chants, burn a church or two, added in some really noisy guitars and of course Cookie Monster on 'roid rage,. These guys took gimmicks fashioned by Venom and made their own genre. I get more pleasure from sticking my head into a cement mixer than listening to stuff like Gorgoroth.

And I LISTEN to heavy and aggressive stuff...Slayer, Napalm Death, Obituary, Kreator, etc...I LOVE Slayer, but once you get faster and 'more extreme' than them, you look almost clownish.

Youtube some of the stuff about the Norweigan Black Metal bands...laughable fools.

Re Jordison...He's a good drummer, I even like a few Slipknot songs, but nothing I want to listen to more than 2 or 3 times.

[CopperBomb]

These guys took gimmicks fashioned by Venom and made their own genre.

Thing is, they took what Venom were doing as real instead of fun as it was intended and it spawned this whole sub-culture trying to be more 'evil' than the last band.

It would have been funnier if they'd have taken everything the Geordies did and instead of titles like "Hvis Lyssett Tsar Oss" or whatever, they'd had "Haddaway Man, Preese Seyrtan Like?"

Anyway, back to Joey, I think he's a good, solid drummer. Not the best evar, but his stuff fits what Slipknot are doing, and the last 2 albums have some good powerful songs.

[Therma lobsterdore]

I hear you. All these extreme black metal bands began playing faster than Slayer because 'that was the thing to do' and then start putting decapitated heads of goats on their stage, some inverted crosses and a bunch of anti-Christian pablum (Im not religious so Im not coming from that perspective) and act real evvviiilll, you know I ascared, have some Omen-esque chants, burn a church or two, added in some really noisy guitars and of course Cookie Monster on 'roid rage,. These guys took gimmicks fashioned by Venom and made their own genre. I get more pleasure from sticking my head into a cement mixer than listening to stuff like Gorgoroth.

And I LISTEN to heavy and aggressive stuff...Slayer, Napalm Death, Obituary, Kreator, etc...I LOVE Slayer, but once you get faster and 'more extreme' than them, you look almost clownish.

Youtube some of the stuff about the Norweigan Black Metal bands...laughable fools.

Re Jordison...He's a good drummer, I even like a few Slipknot songs, but nothing I want to listen to more than 2 or 3 times.

Thats incredibly narrow minded, and I think your missing the point of extreme metal big time, but each to their own! Anywho joey is a nice guy and a decent drummer, shame his name gets spammed on youtube drumming videos so much!

[Swordman5000]

I would appreciate it if someone could help me with a question, and forgive me if it is obvious to everyone but me... But what brand (make & model) of pedals does Joey use? I'm curious.

[tha_next_NJJ]

i dont see how ANYBODY can put down Joey like that when no one here can measure up to his talent EVR. he has truly amazing foot speed and unbelievably fast hands. now i agree that he could use more styles to get the "best" drummer title, but in his genre of music, he owns it. he owns metal, lars ulrich has rock, and travis barker is a showy, and shitty, drummer. now, i kno that im just doin tha same thing yall r doin and criticizing the drummers of the genres of music that i dont listen to, but any one of yall let me kno when yall can measure up to joey. Good Luck.


Music is life.
Drums are passion.
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Larz Goodner

[LeeLovesSabian]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but....doesn't Joey Jordison use Trigger Pads?

[Big_Philly]

That drum solo from Disasterpieces is crazy! I bet it's tough to drum like that at an angle.

I don't know... it's probably hard to play upside down indeed but other than that the solo consists of tornadoing all over the kit for a few minutes, then he pauses to allow the crowd some room for revering him, and then he does it all again.

Not my kind of solo.

[JT1]

i dont see how ANYBODY can put down Joey like that when no one here can measure up to his talent EVR. he has truly amazing foot speed and unbelievably fast hands. now i agree that he could use more styles to get the "best" drummer title, but in his genre of music, he owns it. he owns metal, lars ulrich has rock, and travis barker is a showy, and shitty, drummer. now, i kno that im just doin tha same thing yall r doin and criticizing the drummers of the genres of music that i dont listen to, but any one of yall let me kno when yall can measure up to joey. Good Luck.


Music is life.
Drums are passion.
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Larz Goodner

Hmm seems you are quite the ignorant. I would say many and a lot of people on this site have probably surpassed Joey in a lot of ways, i am by no means one of them, however you can't make claims like that when you haven't heard every drummer on this site play. As for owning metal maybe he owns mainstream metal but my God i prefer a lot more metal drummers to Joey. Dave Lombardo, Martin Lopez, Chris Adler, Mike Portnoy (just a few). Now i'm not putting Joey down, he is amazing and has heaps of talent but technically he does a lot of the same stuff every song whereas Portnoy or Lopez are always trying new things and being diverse. Try not to be so ignorant, good luck with that.

[grooveweapon]

It's interesting how everybody rags on Joey about so-and-so being faster than him or being more technical, etc.... but it was the popularity of Joey that got people on the internet even talking about all this speed/tech stuff in the first place. Everyone mentions that they passed him up on the way to discovering bigger, better drummers but A LOT of these drummers wouldn't have even been heard of it weren't for Slipknot. If we could go back in time (when youtube didn't even exist) and look all over the internet for some videos of extreme metal drummers doing their thing when Slipknot was really getting big, you would be lucky to find as many videos as you could count on one hand. Metal drummers (and I'm referring to the younger ones) are always trying to one up each other, which makes it impossible to see metal music as a form of art. It has just become a sport.

I just pulled out my old Slipknot IOWA cd tonight for the first time in years and in all of the extreme bands I've heard in that time, the ol' knot still has that unique sound. It is an organic, breathing, vicious sound that has, over time, become replaced by bands with a mechanical, lifeless, overly pro-tooled sound. I still give my respects to Joey because I think he is a killer drummer and when you have that many fans AND that many people who hate you, you know you've done something right.

[jimc804]

Joey Jordison is any amazing drummer....look at his solos and on youtube you can see him at work on the 'knots Disasterpieces dvd. His double bass skills are insane :)
Im a Slipknot Fan and you can hear him on all songs with fast paced drum beats there very good but i havent seen them yet :(

[inflames]

Many people i know listen to Slipknot becuase of Joey Jordison. The ones who don't, in my opinion, are a bunch of wannabe metalheads. I agree with Joey not being the best, there are much better drummers out there, but I like him becuase of his dedication to his band to make their good songs sound that much better.

[Christ-Hammer]

What happened to him?

[Ferret]

i am 15, and iv been listening to music ever since i can remember, iv been playing drums for only about a year and Lars Ulrich and Joey Jordison are 2 people that really turned me into drumming. it was joey who first shown me what a double bass pedal was, when i first saw it, i was stunned, and ever since i saw him using it, iv always wanted to buy one, but i cant get the money of ma mum. When i saw him do his solo on the disasterpiece dvd in London, he stepped it up another notch in my eyes, i hope to see them in england this december. If anyone could give me any tips on drumming, i will be happy to read them. Thanks


DAVE LOMBARDO!




Well here's my little joey thoughts, since somehow his name comes up in every drum conversation with some people. I hate slipknot, I can't stand the sound of it a lot of the time, especially the singer. I have so much respect for all of them but the singer though, they are all extremely talented, just their brand of music is not my preference.

I think Joey is a great drummer but people give him all the wrong praise. I am as fast as Joey, (though nowhere near as good) so is all of Norway's metal scene, soare all the thrashers and a ton of the death metal guys. Having chops that can go at 250+ is just an industry standard in the extreme metal genres. What makes him good is that he has this mixed style that sets him apart from all those other guys. It irks me that people call him a speed demon because it means they've probably overlooked all of the creativity he put into his drumming, it irks me when people call me a speed demon and ignore all the intricate stuff like the catches, the counter rhythms, the timbre of a part, etc. It's like all anyone can recognize is "wow that guy used a metronome when he was learning."

Then you get all the guys who bash him because he is not the fastest in the genre... no he's not, but that's not what makes him good.

[theindian]

Joe Jordison is this generations Dave Lombardo.
And Travis Barker is their....Buddy Rich? Well maybe not so much on that one.

[Jessiah331]

i've watched a couple of DVDs very carefully and you can't hear them at all. its all little joey and his roaring drums. love the white cymbals.


j

http://cgi.ebay.com/Joey-Jordisons-Paiste-Signature-Rude-2002-Cymbal-Set_W0QQitemZ230460143547QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item35a87eb7bb#ht_1128wt_1165

Nuff said.

[joe182]

when you have that many fans AND that many people who hate you, you know you've done something right.

Gotta agree with that haha

[Frost]

What is metal about slipknot except the growling?

Metal isn't a wall of chugging power chords on detuned guitars.

Joey is a good drummer, Slipknot is a vessel for him to do a lot more then most drummers get the opportunity to playing in a band. The band basically create sound around the percussion, the percussion isn't just the backbone of the music, it is the music.

I dislike Slipknot being called metal as it detracts from the artistic appeal of metal bands such as Opeth. The band is almost a rhythmic ensemble with a shouter (he doesn't really growl) singing the odd pop rock verse. It isn't any more metal than something like Sick of it all, which is hardcore.

That doesn't mean it's bad for all the Slipknot fans. I got over calling things good and bad as it's all subjective, my mother loves Cliff Richard, that doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. Plenty of people out there like Slipknot. Good on them. I just find that apart from the live intensity of their gigs which can be entertaining the music lacks any real substance, most of the guitar parts I can play on the right guitar and I'm a fairly average guitarist and the drums are cool but repetitive. If you are looking at them from a purely technical stand point and take into consideration they are mostly double bass kicks and fills they have nothing on say... Origin.

[Gethsemane]

I agree with Frost 100%. But I may add that it is hard to classify just about anything in todays music as metal. People say Korn is nu-metal, System of a Down is nu-metal, DragonForce is power metal, and that Dream Theater is Prog metal. What defines "metal"? I personally think bands like these should just be considered heavy rock because what it comes down to is their style. Screaming could be emo, screamo, hardcore, and "metal"? I don't think so.

[Frost]

Metal to me is anything that has predominately rock-based roots but can no longer be considered rock music. Perhaps once upon a time metal was simply faster, louder rock music but not all metal is heavier then rock and not all metal is fast, look at bands like My Dying Bride, they predominately play around 60bpm and as low as 40. I don't consider that quick.

EDIT: Just something else I had to add, I've noticed most metal music is down-beat as opposed to up-beat. This is quite opposed to a lot of commercial music and contributes to metal being moderately inaccessible to a lot of people.

[MisterMixelpix]

Metal is largely attitude and intention, not what drum beat or guitar tuning you use. Opeth and Slipknot are under the metal umbrella, but they're so far apart under there it's not even funny.

The more you listen to Slipknot, the more you realize what an asset Joey is to the band. Amongst other things, he insisted from early on that all songs be recorded "live" rather than piecemealed together, which to me is pretty awesome. Listen to the self-titled debut, there's a definite feel to it that megaproduced albums lack. As for his drumming, he's absolutely not standard heavy metal fare. Again, especially on early albums. Listen to the drumming on [sic] or Eyeless.

The band itself, the more you get to know 'em, really are pretty awesome. They love their fans, have the utmost reverence for the metal legends, and take what they do very seriously. They aren't just some punk kids.

[MisterMixelpix]

EDIT: Just something else I had to add, I've noticed most metal music is down-beat as opposed to up-beat. This is quite opposed to a lot of commercial music and contributes to metal being moderately inaccessible to a lot of people.

You would be correct. The MAJORITY of metal (and this is one reason Christian metal bothers me) is more aggressive, abrasive, and kind of a downer. It makes sense, the guitars are distorted, the vocals are screamed, the drums are pounding. Not an environment for "hey buy a puppy, they're cute!"

[Frost]

You would be correct. The MAJORITY of metal (and this is one reason Christian metal bothers me) is more aggressive, abrasive, and kind of a downer. It makes sense, the guitars are distorted, the vocals are screamed, the drums are pounding. Not an environment for "hey buy a puppy, they're cute!"

Slipknot also write upbeat music, duality is very upbeat.

The whole metal is about attitude argument fails on me because I've met a lot of people who play in hardcore bands who have a very "metal" attitude but get rejected by the metal masses. Why? They have metal philosophies, they scream, they play fast and aggressive. They get rejected while grind gets accepted which is basically just detuned hardcore at higher tempos.

A lot of metal heads don't think about why they like the music they do and they reject bands based on opinions rather then how they actually sound.

The best example of this is riffs.

Riffs are a very important part of metal music but so many metal bands across different genres use very similar riffs, a lot of black metal bands, Orcustus was one I heard recently who are quite highly respected use old school punk riffs with a ton more distortion, heavily over-driven.

[MisterMixelpix]

Oh yeah. "I push my fingers into my eyes, it's the only thing that can stop the ache". Very upbeat. C'mon man, Slipknot is one of the most nihilistic bands that has ever hit the mainstream. Look at the entirety of "All Hope is Gone".

And whoa now. Grindcore is a very different beast from hardcore. It's intentionally atonal, fast and chaotic, usually with song structure thrown out the window. There's so much more to it than simply "faster hardcore". The difference between a Pig Destroyer and a Hatebreed run FAR beyond tempo. They're totally different styles of music.

"Metal" is a huge umbrella. HUGE. Most metalheads don't even agree on what's good and what's not. You run from power metal like Dragonforce to grindcore like PxDx, death metal like Brain Drill and black metal like Emperor, prog bands like Opeth and Dream Theater all the way to drone bands like Sunn O))). "Metal" as a genre itself doesn't exist, really. It's too wide.

[Frost]

Upbeat has nothing to do with lyrics, it has to do with the music, Slipknot don't sound nihilistic, the shining sound nihilistic, Slipknot sound like a lot of rock bands out there only much heavier. Upbeat is also not just a feeling, it's part of the beat in music when you conduct and is used heavily in dance as well.

Back on the case of lyrics, I can think of plenty of Nick Cave or Johnny Cash songs which are very depressing and have nothing to do with metal what so ever.

"You are one of gods mistakes you lying tragic waste of skin" is one of Placebo's lyrics and that is on par with anything slipknot have written.

I gave my opinion as to what I believe the genre of metal entails.

Oh yeah. "I push my fingers into my eyes, it's the only thing that can stop the ache". Very upbeat. C'mon man, Slipknot is one of the most nihilistic bands that has ever hit the mainstream. Look at the entirety of "All Hope is Gone".

And whoa now. Grindcore is a very different beast from hardcore. It's intentionally atonal, fast and chaotic, usually with song structure thrown out the window. There's so much more to it than simply "faster hardcore". The difference between a Pig Destroyer and a Hatebreed run FAR beyond tempo. They're totally different styles of music.

"Metal" is a huge umbrella. HUGE. Most metalheads don't even agree on what's good and what's not. You run from power metal like Dragonforce to grindcore like PxDx, death metal like Brain Drill and black metal like Emperor, prog bands like Opeth and Dream Theater all the way to drone bands like Sunn O))). "Metal" as a genre itself doesn't exist, really. It's too wide.

[VictorSxL]

^

No i dont i think they add something to the band adn especially to the live show.

I'm a SlipKnoT fan and have been so for quite some time and i deffo digg Joey Jordison's drumming. He is very disciplined and he does a great job for slipknot.

If he's th ebest drummer around is ofcourse something personal, in my case i would say hes up there on my top 15 with my all time favorite drummers being guys like: John Bonham (YEEEAH), Ian Paice, Neil Pert, John Densmore, Stewart Copeland etc.

[MisterMixelpix]

Also worth saying that "best" and "favorite" are two TOTALLY different things. You can't claim that Joey is the most technically adept player in the world, but if he's your favorite... how can anyone tell you that you're wrong? Whatever he's doing hits YOUR ear just right.

[ShankWPG]

Ok. Joey is a great drummer. He has more fans than everyone on here combined. Is Joey the best? No? Then who is? Eric Singer? Roy Mayorga? Theyre sure not the best but they sure are great at what they do. So if you have the balls to bash any drummer out there, take your buisness somewhere else cause no one here wants to hear it. Personally joey is my favorite drummer out there. Partly because of his skill but mostly because his drumming is worth listening to, and his style is un-beatable. He is always interesting to watch and he is a genuine musician. How many people can do what he can do? Not many, thats for sure.

Brian

[jamest]

Ok. Joey is a great drummer. He has more fans than everyone on here combined. Is Joey the best? No? Then who is? Eric Singer? Roy Mayorga? Theyre sure not the best but they sure are great at what they do. So if you have the balls to bash any drummer out there, take your buisness somewhere else cause no one here wants to hear it. Personally joey is my favorite drummer out there. Partly because of his skill but mostly because his drumming is worth listening to, and his style is un-beatable. He is always interesting to watch and he is a genuine musician. How many people can do what he can do? Not many, thats for sure.

Brian

Yeah, Joey is a good drummer but he isn't as great as a lot of people think he is. Still, i'd be happy if I could do what he does.
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[Hellwyck]

haha, my friend is obsessed with him. she showed me this aweosme video where he drums while he and his kit are like spinning around and upsidedown and stuff... freaking crazy man. yeah,

Yeah, it was "freaking crazy man." when Tommy Lee did it in the '80's too.
All you kids look up a band called MÖTLEY CRÜE - Thus begins your history lesson.





HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT STUF ABOUT JOEY?!!!!!!! He is great and I love him, I can't believe you can say that about him and the greatest band ever: SlipKnoT!!!

1. They're not "the greatest band ever"
2. (sic) means "the text was quoted directly from the original source",
it does not mean "sick".

[Pocket-full-of-gold]

Yeah, it was "freaking crazy man." when Tommy Lee did it in the '80's too.


And even more "freaking crazy man" when the grand master of them all did it even earlier than that. : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnkkhYM4Whg :-)

[Frost]

2. (sic) means "the text was quoted directly from the original source",


As a history major I feel compelled to elaborate.

It means spelling incorrect.

It is to show that the historian copied it directly from the original source, including bad spelling, to show that the historian did not spell something incorrectly by accident.

[mediocrefunkybeat]

(Sic)Chic means that he knows he's spelling 'Chic' wrong. Brilliant.

[Gretsch64]

Why does a solo have to have a groove? If every solo had a groove then Drum Solo's would be pretty boring wouldn't they?

I've seen plenty of Buddy Rich or Tony WIlliams (to name 2) solo's without any sort of groove - not that I'm comparing Jordison with them, but you see my point...

A Tony Williams solo with no groove? When? Where? Everything this guy, as well as his contemporaries, ever played had a groove, an idea, a reinterpretation of the melody or something that they might had heard in another band members solo. Then it kind of builds on a theme, progresses, stretches out, maybe gets way out from the central "groove", but never totally abandons it. (whether you realize it or not) Then it all resolves, comes back to the theme, telepathy ensues between band members, everyone hits it right on the money and back into the tune. NEVER "O.K. I'll do a random count of double bass, now a double stroke roll over 7 toms, A sloppy blast beat, oh shucks, what was the tempo? I'll do those fast rolls again! What bar is this?"

[Hellwyck]

As a history major I feel compelled to elaborate.

It means spelling incorrect.

It is to show that the historian copied it directly from the original source, including bad spelling, to show that the historian did not spell something incorrectly by accident.
Which is just more words to type what I said.


(Sic)Chic means that he knows he's spelling 'Chic' wrong. Brilliant.
It'd be "the chic [sic]..."

[sic] (or (sic) ) appears after the misspelt word(s)

[Hercules]

To the Joey fans here this autographed cymbal might interest you:

I have a Zildjian 18" Z Custom China Boy cymbal (for sale) that was autographed by the man himself (Joey) during the Slipknot tour of Oz in 2005.

The cymbal is undamaged but needs a polish - I have left it "as is" to avoid marking the autograph. It sounds very typical of a Z custom china.

Please PM me if you're interested - I can provide pictures and am looking for $170AUD for this cymbal (plus freight).