Hip Concept for jazz

[jazzin']

I've been working a lot lately on a groovy little concept (not that it's new or anything) which involves taking straight Garibaldi type 16th groove funk licks (well, it’s all been Garibaldi’s stuff so far) or really any type of 16th, predominantly linear funk type stuff 'cause theres a lot of it and then halving their note value and swinging them. It gives a lot of very nice mostly linear phrases to spice up comping or for trading and such…very hip sound, very musical and very applicable. Check it out, you'll love it. Sort of Bill Stewartish sound...sort of, but maybe not really.

[theduke86]

Great ideas man.
Speaking of more ideas along this line, remove the backbeat from some of those drum and bass grooves, and you've got some stinkin' uptempo swing ideas.

[Wavelength]

How about playing the stuff straight ahead, but in eighth note triplets, i.e. four sixteenths as four triplet notes... That oughta twist your brain a bit. :)

[jazzin']

Actually, that was something I probably should've added. They do generally have bass drum on one and three so, better to, like you said Duke either take them out or just displace them back or forward. I found that the way these funk guys put there stuff together is quite different than the usual jazz thing so it gives it a surprising sound. Like some smart guy said 'jazz is the music of surprise' :) or something like that.

As to your suggestion Wavelength, I kind of already did it hehe. I used it as an eighth note triplet exercise in 3/4 (16 16th's = two bar 3/4 in eighth triplets minus one eighth: I take out the + of three) and also using it in 4/4, so it's a group of 3 superimposed over 4...although this idea is very busy and pretty hard to get happening at higher tempo's. Maybe more of a co-ordination exercise. But, I found the swung eighth note had the grooviest sound.

Now, I just can't wait till it crosses into my playing. I had a fair bit of linear stuff happening already but just taking it a lot further with this stuff, I really like the sound and groove of it.

I'm gonna have to check those drum and bass grooves out Duke, cheers.

[Echo]

Forgot to post yesterday that this idea Jazzin' is genius.

Something i started to do a while ago when we were doing backing for a ball so wasn't that important was to, (while keeping hats and ride in jazz), play a stright eight rock beat with snare and VERY light bass, with the accents on the 3rd beat of the bar and light off beat snares in between. It works really well to lightly straighten out a solo and it gave my sax a chance to play some sort of funky jazz solo, and took the pressure of 100% innovation as my beat gave some temporary structure.
peace//

[zildjian_dude101]

Ah. I really wish I had the education to have remotely any idea what you fellas are talking about.

[jazzin']

Ah. I really wish I had the education to have remotely any idea what you fellas are talking about.

Hey man,
Actually it's a pretty easy thing to get going. It mind sound crazy, but it's really not. I'll try to explain 'cause there's some fun stuff.
Grab any sixteenth note funk groove (preferably linear), now just write it out on paper but instead of sixteenths, write it out in straight eighth's. So one bar of the funk groove = two bars of eighth note groove. Now just swing the eights and you've got some groovy swinging linear jazz phrases.
Have fun!

[Deathmetalconga]

I've been working a lot lately on a groovy little concept (not that it's new or anything) which involves taking straight Garibaldi type 16th groove funk licks (well, it’s all been Garibaldi’s stuff so far) or really any type of 16th, predominantly linear funk type stuff 'cause theres a lot of it and then halving their note value and swinging them. It gives a lot of very nice mostly linear phrases to spice up comping or for trading and such…very hip sound, very musical and very applicable. Check it out, you'll love it. Sort of Bill Stewartish sound...sort of, but maybe not really.

You mean creating 16-note shuffles? Very cool, I like doing that. I try to do them both single-handed and double-handed.

[jazzin']

No, it's not a shuffle although you could play it with a shuffle. As in a small phrase in a shuffle feel it would sound great, but it's not a shuffle in itself. You're taking the notes used in the funk groove but not the accents which are generally on the downbeats. If you were to accent anything, it would go better on the offbeats.