Wrist control

[Jesvin]

I'm not so bad at finger control. But i dont know where i stand in wrist action?
(must be coz i hurried to fingers b4 i perfected my wrists)

Can somebody tell how to improve my wrists... any exercises/specific techniques..anything at all ...
thanks in advance

DRUMMERWORLD ROCKS!!!

[h3r3tic]

I'm not so bad at finger control. But i dont know where i stand in wrist action?
(must be coz i hurried to fingers b4 i perfected my wrists)

Can somebody tell how to improve my wrists... any exercises/specific techniques..anything at all ...
thanks in advance

DRUMMERWORLD ROCKS!!!

Get George L. Stone's stick control

[Styx]

Dom Famularo has a neat little exercise that isolates the wrists. Check out his web page on the Vic Firth site for further info. I'd also give the 2-50 exercise he talks about a bash as it's a great exercise that works the wrists beautifully.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Styx

[Scatman]

The stick control book is your answer
Work it relaxed and slowly at first and build from there

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

Stick Control is just a bunch of notes. It's how you practice it, using what techniques, that gives you the results. You should absolutely learn the free stroke, that is one of the most powerful learning tools I have ever come across. Do the 2 to 50 roughly 400 times using the free stroke, and you will see drastic wrist control and strength improvement. DPS

[vadrum]

i have to agree, stick control will work wonders. also, you must pay attention to make sure that your wrist strokes (half strokes) are solid and consistent. the freestroke is also very beneficial because it allows you to get several strokes from one wrist stroke.

good luck

[n2xlr8n]

the freestroke is also very beneficial because it allows you to get several strokes from one wrist stroke.
good luck



....oh boy, here we go....LOL.

[centralzeke]

the freestroke is also very beneficial because it allows you to get several strokes from one wrist stroke.

good luck

Uh, not quite! ....

[vadrum]

Uh, not quite! ....

then plz xplain the freestroke............

edit: looked at don's lesson on freestroke and my concept of the technique was different. i couldve sworn i saw someone explain that by allowing the stick to rebound freely after the stroke. at any rate, i stand corrected as the free stroke allows the stick to rebound off the drum freely back to its original position (and not rebound repeatedly as i suggested earilier) which is simply a full stroke (but not a moeller full stroke).

[millersc]

VADRUM:
I believe you are referring to the Moeller technique more then just the free stroke. The freestroke should be throwing the stick down as fast as you can at the pad, drum head, etc. and then letting the rebound return the stick to the original place you started from with minimal energy used. (the up stroke that goes from the 1" position to full position needs a little help because of less rebound). Your hands, wrists and joints must be relaxed in order to free the stick to rebound to the starting position. So you're just throwing the stick down and not picking it up to throw it down i.e. 50% less energy used per stroke. Multiple bounces should be more of the Moeller technique I believe. The freestroke should be only one rebound per stroke and the moeller is multiple rebounds per stroke.

[vadrum]

VADRUM:
I believe you are referring to the Moeller technique more then just the free stroke. The freestroke should be throwing the stick down as fast as you can at the pad, drum head, etc. and then letting the rebound return the stick to the original place you started from with minimal energy used. (the up stroke that goes from the 1" position to full position needs a little help because of less rebound). Your hands, wrists and joints must be relaxed in order to free the stick to rebound to the starting position. So you're just throwing the stick down and not picking it up to throw it down i.e. 50% less energy used per stroke. Multiple bounces should be more of the Moeller technique I believe. The freestroke should be only one rebound per stroke and the moeller is multiple rebounds per stroke.

dig it....

**i didnt realize that your messages had to be at least 20 chars here, weird....

[Skynman]

Improving your wrist control I would recommend playing paradiddle's or rolls concentrating on both left and right accented notes while keeping your arms as motionless as possible while really focusing on your wrist movement!

[Class A Drummer]

Im not sure if this really works but try this. My friends teacher did this for him.

Get a strong peice of tape, tape the sticks on top of your wrist/hand *palms down* and keep your arms completley still but try to hit the sticks on the surface with only your wrists.

I guess this is a good isolation drill for control. If you do it, tell me how it works.

[Backwards Marathon]

Get a strong peice of tape, tape the sticks on top of your wrist/hand *palms down* and keep your arms completley still but try to hit the sticks on the surface with only your wrists.
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Whaaaaaaa??????????????

[millersc]

Im not sure if this really works but try this. My friends teacher did this for him.

Get a strong peice of tape, tape the sticks on top of your wrist/hand *palms down* and keep your arms completley still but try to hit the sticks on the surface with only your wrists.

I guess this is a good isolation drill for control. If you do it, tell me how it works.

Class A, I'm not too sure about this. This also goes for the author of this thread, I think that best way to work on your wrists is to drum, quite simply. You should check out the stick control sticky thread and also check out the gladstone technique. I believe this would be the best way to strengthen the wrists and it will also give you good technique direction.

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

Im not sure if this really works but try this. My friends teacher did this for him.

Get a strong peice of tape, tape the sticks on top of your wrist/hand *palms down* and keep your arms completley still but try to hit the sticks on the surface with only your wrists.

I guess this is a good isolation drill for control. If you do it, tell me how it works.

The tape.....mnyah, perhaps, but I think it is a distraction. But the wrist isolation is totally up the Dom Famularo alley. This is how he teaches the fre stroke. Get his book, it is all in there. DPS

[meandhimcallitus]

Theirs actually a vid on ww.vicfirth.com in Dom's Cyber Lessons(with a slight variation) of what Class A and Dr.PowerStroke are talking about, if you want to try it out TS.

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

Theirs actually a vid on ww.vicfirth.com in Dom's Cyber Lessons(with a slight variation) of what Class A and Dr.PowerStroke are talking about, if you want to try it out TS.

Totally true. Watch how Dom does it, he barely moves his arm. This is one of the important aspects of the free stroke, the others being playing around the barrel, wrists flush with the forearm, and forearms parallel to each other and to the floor. That, and not pulling up. Cheers, DPS

[millersc]

I went to vicfirth and saw it. I guess I didn't understand Class A and what his post said. I thought that he meant tape a tick to the top of your hand and try to use THAT stick to hit the drum. My bad...

[Tex12]

Dennis Chambers claims Buddy Rich told him practicing on pillows gave buddy such fast wrists

[Legacyrik]

VADRUM:
I believe you are referring to the Moeller technique more then just the free stroke. The freestroke should be throwing the stick down as fast as you can at the pad, drum head, etc. and then letting the rebound return the stick to the original place you started from with minimal energy used. (the up stroke that goes from the 1" position to full position needs a little help because of less rebound). Your hands, wrists and joints must be relaxed in order to free the stick to rebound to the starting position. So you're just throwing the stick down and not picking it up to throw it down i.e. 50% less energy used per stroke. Multiple bounces should be more of the Moeller technique I believe. The freestroke should be only one rebound per stroke and the moeller is multiple rebounds per stroke.

Actually if letting the stick kick back up freely by itself to the starting position doesn't affect you ability to control rebound I'm confused. Freestroke doesn't just help for singles, it helps for everything since you should be letting the drum work for you which is exactly what this type of excercise is trying to teach you.

[Casper "DrPowerStroke" Paludan]

Actually if letting the stick kick back up freely by itself to the starting position doesn't affect you ability to control rebound I'm confused. Freestroke doesn't just help for singles, it helps for everything since you should be letting the drum work for you which is exactly what this type of excercise is trying to teach you.

When you are learning the free stroke you are doing isolated strokes to "get" the rebound motion. After you really understand that, you go on to the Moeller whip and then the Moeller pumping motion. At this point, you are treating them as isolated entities, and you begin to wonder "what about multiple, unaccented strokes?" And at this point, a good exercise is the following (Dom gave me this): play the first pages of Stick Control using only half strokes, and each time the book says "L", you substitute LRLL; likewise, substitute RLRR for "R". Every stroke must sound exactly the same. When you get to a certain speed with this exercise, you look at your hand and realize that your LLL and RRR strokes (of which you will play many), look like a mixture of Moeller and free stroke. According to Dom, Gladstone was very aware of the Moeller technique so it makes sense that the two sort of blend together like this.

Take home message: learn each separately, and then do exercises like the above to allow your hands to unite them. Hope this helps, DPS