Istanbul Agop Hi-Hat help...

[Drummer Karl]

Hi and shalom!

If my parents let me I`ll sell my HHX Evolution hats 14" and I wanna buy some Istanbul Agops. Since I realized that especially the Agops are so beautiful sounding I just started to dislike my HHX a bit.

So, my budget is very limited, I`ll try to sell my HHX for about 280$ so also the new Agops mustn`t be more expencive. I wanna have some very light, pretty dark and unique sounding hats, maybe you know that I`m into Jazz and especially in Bop so something light weighted would be superb. Any ideas? Are the Agop Traditional hats high-end? Would that be a good choice (they are just 278$ at cymbalsonly!)

thanks for any help!! =)

Karl

[catchagato]

If you want something dark and also a bit "trashy" sounding I would take some time and look into the Agop Signature Series hi-hats. They sound great (to me) and look stunning as well!
http://cymbalsonly.com/test/images/agop/desc/sig_hats.htm
http://cymbalsonly.com/cymbals/agop/agop.htm

[Drummer Karl]

thanks, those are nice, no doubt...will keep them in my head for sure!

...but what do you think about the Agop Traditional Light hats 14"? is it a high-end line of Agop?

...and what`s up with the Turk hats? On the website it says that they are very heavy and powerful...so, do they work better with louder music?

thanks,

Karl

[Drumms]

...but what do you think about the Agop Traditional Light hats 14"? is it a high-end line of Agop?

Every Agop line, except A.R.T. (which is part of the Alchemy line) is a hi-end line.


...and what`s up with the Turk hats? On the website it says that they are very heavy and powerful...so, do they work better with louder music?

To trust the same site they weight about 920-980g each, I doubt that they're loud. There's probably a mistake on the website.


Edit: Forgot to mention MS-X as a low-end line (it's part of Alchemy as well). Just don't get to hear a lot about it.

[Drummer Karl]

Every Agop line, except A.R.T. (which is part of the Alchemy line) is a hi-end line.

cool...I was just curious about that, didn`t know where the Traditional line is on the "quality" line...thanks.


To trust the same site they weight about 920-980g each, I doubt that they're loud. There's probably a mistake on the website.

Tony mailed me...he said that the statement: "They are medium heavy/heavy." doesn`t really matter. And logically it can NOT be that the Turks are thicker (heavier) with about 900 grams than the "medium-thin/medium" with about 1000grams!! You know?

928/964 g 14" Turks are medium heavy/heavy weighted

976/1104 g 14" Traditionals are medium-thin/medium weighted......how should that be logical? haha, lighter bronze? =)

I seriuosly think about those Turks again.

Karl

[Drummer Karl]

Okay, I`m selling my Sabian HHX 14" Evolution Hi-Hat!!!!

Who is interessted, look here in the For sale thread:

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2601

This great Hi-Hat is looking for a new happy owner ;-)

Karl

[Paradiddle my snizzle]

Karl, your hihat is going to be sooo mad at you!! ;)

Be sure to sell it to someone who will take proper care of it, lol...


On a serious note, i think it's a bad idea to sell it already. I mean when you haven't even tried the other hats yet. Why not wait untill you have been to musikproduktiv some more and tried some more hats?

[Drummer Karl]

Karl, your hihat is going to be sooo mad at you!! ;)

Be sure to sell it to someone who will take proper care of it, lol...


On a serious note, i think it's a bad idea to sell it already. I mean when you haven't even tried the other hats yet. Why not wait untill you have been to musikproduktiv some more and tried some more hats?

mhhh, unfortunatly Musikproduktiv doesn`t have Istanbuls. And as far as I saw it the other big stores also don`t have them.
But I don`t worry because I already tried some Turks. Don`t know what brand, Bosphorus or Istanbul...

I really like the dry sound. The same goes with the K Special Dry hats.

Wanna sell them...and yeah, to someone who takes care of em. =)

Karl

[Paradiddle my snizzle]

Okay, i got some instanbul prices for you.

http://www.prodrums.org/prodrums.php?title=Istanbul&type=varer&pid=4&bid=11&logo=istanbul.gif

This is a danish drumstore, where you shouldn't buy from, but you can compare the prices. These are all listprices so they seem very expensive but you can still use it to see the differences in the prices. For example the HHX evolution hihat (dave weckl) cost 4120dkk and the istanbul hats are about 2500dkk. So you would be trading way down!!

[Latin Groover]

Karl...what about the 13"Mel Lewis'?...But yes i agree i think you should have a bit more of a look around first before you put the HHXs officially out for sale. Although i know you are starting to get really in with Istanbul (and why wouldnt you, you know where i am in that situation too, ;-) and Bosphorus, but still try a few K hats and Paiste traditionals because they have some beautiful cymbals too for jazz too. But yes i agree i would end up getting Istanbuls, but i still think you should try around a little bit more. As it may seem like you will never leave these new Istanbul hats, but isnt that what you said with the HHXs?...Not a bad thing, just tastes change, although to be fair your tastes have matured alot in a way that you know what you want, where as when you got the HHX hats you said they were amazing, but you didnt have a specific sound in you head.

And UFIP, oh god you have to try UFIP. Keep us updated.

And what is shalom?
Hi and shalom!

[Drummer Karl]

Paradiddle: Over 300 € for the Turk hats...that is much. woooo...

Latin: Well yeah, looking around. My decision seems very fast without any thinking about it but I love those Turks and since I know that they aren`t heavy I like them even more. They feel cool, I like that raw and dry feeling.

I was thinking about buying a lathed one like the Traditionals or the Mel Lewis...but in the end I wanna have something uniqe, dark. I also like the sweetness of those Traditionals or of the Mel Lewis...mhh...but yeah, Turks really kick me.
If I had to choose between the HHX and the Turks I`d definitly go for Turks. A reason to sell it...

I had the same feeling when I tried a pair of Meinl Byzance Dry hats at Musik Produktiv. They felt different, liked them.

I agree that a choice changes, times ago I love the pingy brilliant sound of AAX for Jazz, now I go for unique sounding cymbals which sound different. It`s hard to explain, you know...

I`ll keep you updated.

I`m a crazy one, I know...haha :-D

Karl

[Paradiddle my snizzle]

Paradiddle: Over 300 € for the Turk hats...that is much. woooo...

Yep it's really expensive, and that's why you shuld NOT buy from them, but you can still use it to compare the prices because all their other cymbals are equally expensive!

The HHX are over 550euros so they cost almost twice as much! I also hope that if your going to buy the turks that you buy them used, so you dont lose so much. Maybe you could wait to sell the HHX until you find a used turk hat. Then borrow the money from your dad to buy the turk hat and only then sell the HHX. If you do it this way you wont risk being without a hihat for a long time or having to pay to much for a turk hat.

btw. What does your dad say about this?

[Drummer Karl]

The HHX are over 550euros so they cost almost twice as much! I also hope that if your going to buy the turks that you buy them used, so you dont lose so much. Maybe you could wait to sell the HHX until you find a used turk hat. Then borrow the money from your dad to buy the turk hat and only then sell the HHX. If you do it this way you wont risk being without a hihat for a long time or having to pay to much for a turk hat.

btw. What does your dad say about this?

well, my "plan" was following: I sell the HHX, get paid over PayPal (also because it is a real save way of paying) and buy the Turk hats NEW at www.cymbalsonly.com
I also bought the Mel Lewis Ride there, Tony, the owner of that store is very very supportive, a great service and a NEW pair of Istanbul Agop 14" Turks is just 275$ plus shipping there! So, hope someone wanna have the HHX, I treated them like my own children. :-)

oh, and actually the shipping is amazingly fast at cymbalsonly, just about one week from NY to Germany. and for the time without hi-hat I still have some cheap Stagg hats. Would be okay.

So, in the end I wouldn`t make any money loss. Like trading.

Karl

[Drumms]

And UFIP, oh god you have to try UFIP
Yes, Karl, most definately check out the UFIP Class series. I once tested their 13" hi-hat, and it was probably the most beautiful-sounding hi-hat I've ever tried.

And what is shalom?
"Shalom" is a greeting in Hebrew, it means "peace".

I sell the HHX, get paid over PayPal (also because it is a real save way of paying)
PayPal will take a percentage off your payment. If you get, let's say, 300 €, PayPal will take about 15 € for the transaction. I've also heard rumors that PayPal is not as safe as they would like us to believe, but I don't know the details. It can as well be false.

[Drummer Karl]

Yeah, UFIP. Nice brand with some nice cymbals but I never found them very special. It is a high-end brand but I don`t like the sound too much. Let`s say that I like the cymbals they make but I`m not impressed till now.

Anyway, I`ll take a look on the Class Hi-Hat.

oh, yeah, and PayPal is actually very safe, my father recommends it. He sold and bought many things over PayPal and he is very pleased by this way of paying money. There could be a little transaction...but then for the person who sells.

Karl

[Pedro]

thanks, those are nice, no doubt...will keep them in my head for sure!

...but what do you think about the Agop Traditional Light hats 14"? is it a high-end line of Agop?

...and what`s up with the Turk hats? On the website it says that they are very heavy and powerful...so, do they work better with louder music?

thanks,

Karl

I have Ist. Mehmet Trad. hi-hats...and they are VERY hi-end....great sound and quality (I'm really impressed). And I play a lot on Trad. Agops....also very good...!!

If you search well...you can find some really nice hats...also try the Mehmet Istanbul..I was really impressed by mine...and I've heard a lot of good comments from others as well.

Good luck.

[KCMcC]

cymbalcellar.com has a pretty solid deal on a pair of Mehmet traditionals right now. I was thinking about keeping that to myself! However, I decided if I could be a good guy and keep my financial responsibility at the same time, I ought to:

http://www.cymbalcellar.com/catalogdetail.php?cymbid=142


that ought to be the right link, if not just sort by brand or size (14")

[masonni]

Hey Dude,
I'm selling my Agop Traditional Funk Hats if your interested....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330086361044&rd=1&rd=1

[Drummer Karl]

Hey thanks so much guys!!

No worries with the hats on cymbalcellar...they are a bit too heavy and too cuttish from what I can hear. Although they look very beautiful. haha ;-)
thanks for the tip!

masonni: mhh, kinda cool, but also too heavy I think.

I`ll stick to the Turks, they win...but this doesn`t mean that your tips and cymbals aren`t cool...it`s just, you know...the very own character of the Turks.

Thanks alot for helping guys, so nice of you all!!!! =)

Karl

[xkevinx]

You'll love the Agop Turks man. Just be prepared for a shock when you first lay stick to them. Learning to play your first unlathed cymbal takes some time and effort. It's a completely different experience than playing a traditionally lathed cymbal. If you do eventually find the Turks too dry, you should check out the Special Edition Jazz hats, or one of the partially lathed pieces. The Traditionals also kill!

[Drummer Karl]

You'll love the Agop Turks man. Just be prepared for a shock when you first lay stick to them. Learning to play your first unlathed cymbal takes some time and effort. It's a completely different experience than playing a traditionally lathed cymbal. If you do eventually find the Turks too dry, you should check out the Special Edition Jazz hats, or one of the partially lathed pieces. The Traditionals also kill!

no, I love the dry and raw sound, already got an K Custom 22" Dry Light Ride. Unlathed, it`s right a different feeling but very cool, unique.

Thanks!

Karl

[rendezvous_drummer]

The Agop Turks are mighty killer Hi Hats man...but why go for those when you could go for a nice, crisp pair of Sabian B8's?

[Drumms]

The Agop Turks are mighty killer Hi Hats man...but why go for those when you could go for a nice, crisp pair of Sabian B8's?

Or some Dyno beats... Great hats for hardcore jazz.

[rendezvous_drummer]

Or some Dyno beats... Great hats for hardcore jazz.

This guy knows what I am talking about!

[Drummer Karl]

...but why go for those when you could go for a nice, crisp pair of Sabian B8's?

Now I ask you: Why aren`t you our new trendsetter yet? Man, I`ll definitly go for them, thanks so much my friend, today evening I`ll trade my HHX for some cool used B8 hats.

PS: I`m kidding. ha! ;-)

Karl

[rendezvous_drummer]

Now I ask you: Why aren`t you our new trendsetter yet? Man, I`ll definitly go for them, thanks so much my friend, today evening I`ll trade my HHX for some cool used B8 hats.

PS: I`m kidding. ha! ;-)

Karl

HAHAHA so was I. But definitely go for the Turks man...unbelievable hats.

[Drummer Karl]

HAHAHA so was I. But definitely go for the Turks man...unbelievable hats.

hehe, thanks very very much for your help man! Really appreciate it! =)

will go for the Turks. yep, every day I love those more.

Karl

[Snowdogyyz]

well, my "plan" was following: I sell the HHX, get paid over PayPal (also because it is a real save way of paying) and buy the Turk hats NEW at www.cymbalsonly.com
I also bought the Mel Lewis Ride there, Tony, the owner of that store is very very supportive, a great service and a NEW pair of Istanbul Agop 14" Turks is just 275$ plus shipping there! So, hope someone wanna have the HHX, I treated them like my own children. :-)

oh, and actually the shipping is amazingly fast at cymbalsonly, just about one week from NY to Germany. and for the time without hi-hat I still have some cheap Stagg hats. Would be okay.

So, in the end I wouldn`t make any money loss. Like trading.

Karl

Karl, here are some 14" turk hats, slightly heavier for less money... $252:

http://thecymbalshop.com/shop/product.php?productid=16142&cat=255&page=1

EDIT: nevermind... they sold! (I noticed a few minutes after posting the link)

[masonni]

Or some Dyno beats... Great hats for hardcore jazz.

Want to hear something funny? This solo artist I'm playing for acctuly liked the sound of my Dyno beats and wanted me to use them. I had them set up as Aux. hats because I was playing with a DJ the night before. This solo artist, who plays folk/acoustic by the way, was like "I like those best, bring those to the gig"

...I didn't listen to her though, I still used my Agop Funk hats for her gigs, lol.